View Full Version : Passing on wrong side of traffic Island.Do it or not?
Have a look at the picture I have carefully prepared. Imagine the cars are going slowly or are stationary and the other side of the road is completely clear. Who would pass on the wrong side of the road around the traffic island if there wasn't room on the inside between the island and car/s? and how does the law look at this? Don't forget we are allowed in the ghost median area if needs be so we should (as far as I know) be fine filtering past the traffic.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5114/carthingbo5.png (http://imageshack.us)
Grey thing is bike, cars are other big coloured things.
Ready, steady, go!
:)
cant see a piccy..... but i would
i dont need to see i piccy.......... i still would;)
no link?
if it's a traffic island with a sign with a blue circle with a white arrow - you HAVE to obey that & keep to the left.
Between Stockwell & Clapham north - southbound traffic is stationary at 6pm & mopeds regularily ignore the keep left sign.
i still would
& have done on many occasions
skidmarx
11-11-07, 02:46 PM
Pretty sure the law is 100% clear on this one, not allowed :(
I would be unlikely to but it would all depend on the situation, ie how long I was going to have to wait, how far ahead I could see, and if i was likely to get caught!
mr.anderson
11-11-07, 02:46 PM
Yeah, the commute into work would take me twice as long if i didn't.
Always cautiously of course officer.
i still would
& have done on many occasions
tsk, tsk!
...admitting to contravening the highway code on a public forum!!! ;o)
timwilky
11-11-07, 02:48 PM
I would not. It gives you no way out should the unexpected occur. Even though as bikers we know our observation is perfect and there is no way traffic could appear in that empty lane. Well I am not prepared to put my faith in my infallibility any more. I would rather wait till I was past it.
Now once in the cage I was in terrible fog and could not see across the junction. As the red light changed I limped forward. Suddenly there was something in the road in front of me so I passed to the right of it assuming I was heading towards the kerb. No as I passed I realised it was the island and thank god there was no on coming traffic.
I voted no, for one main reason - waiting for a couple of seconds tends to make the car by the island move over enough to let you through on the correct side.
Mind you, I've got my fellow commuters trained pretty well now with a nice loud can - In the south, I'm sure it would be second nature because of all the ignorant cages not letting you through on the correct side.
StreetHawk
11-11-07, 02:57 PM
I wouldn't... I'd slip in between two cars and then filter down the outside again once passed the island...
metalmonkey
11-11-07, 03:04 PM
You would get done for if you get caught, the guys on the bike safe said people get done for doing exectly that...
Also don't do in front of bus guys, they have CCTV cameras to the front, sides and rear bus companies have been passed footage of bikes doing this and err getting done.....
Not to mention if it all goes wrong, it will be very to get out of trouble, yeah i though about doing a few times, a few seconds later a bus is there! stay safe guys plz!
Now you know! If you do it don't get caught and don't moan if you do.
-Ralph-
11-11-07, 03:21 PM
Yes, I'd do it after a good look round for cop cars.
What about nipping round the wrong side of the odd cone in roadworks?
-Ralph-
11-11-07, 03:23 PM
no link?
if it's a traffic island with a sign with a blue circle with a white arrow - you HAVE to obey that & keep to the left.
Between Stockwell & Clapham north - southbound traffic is stationary at 6pm & mopeds regularily ignore the keep left sign.
Interested by this one, is it really only illegal when theres keep left sign? Some folk seem to think it's illegal full stop. I haven't got a clue.
What about nipping round the wrong side of the odd cone in roadworks?
I spied an SV doing that on the Shepherds Bush/Holland Park roundabout. One lane was coned off anf the fella just went right in there as if it was an open lane!
Reckon it's time for a Mr. Plod to step in and tell us just how legal it is or isn't.
:)
I just did the Bikesafe day a few weeks ago and the friendly, neghbourhood bikercopper spent some time talking about just this. he knows we do it...in fact there's a couple of little islands on my morning commute down the Old Kent that I have to do it on, otherwise sit stationary for minutes!
He said that any police see you do it they will come down hard on you. It's a bit of a pet hate of theirs!! it is illegal to go round the wrong side of one and I wouldn't like to be spotted doing it!
kwak zzr
11-11-07, 03:59 PM
depends on the situation but if safe to do so i would.
Biker Biggles
11-11-07, 04:11 PM
My lad has just got a fixed penalty for exactly this.All done by big brothers scamera,so looking out for plod wont help you.
I dont see anything wrong with it at all as long as you have full visibility and can see that all is clear,and you do it at a slow speed under full control.
Bare in mind that most of Londons major roads are under constant surveillance these days,so someone is probably looking at you when you do it.
Failing to keep left at an Island with a keep left blue arrow on (which is most of them in London) will get you £60 fine and 3 points on your licence.
I dont do it, from what I see on my communte plenty of people do.
Ch00
breaking the law and using a bit of good old progressive riding (;)) often go hand in hand ....... so I'm told :D
Same question with a different road sign: you're at a red light, but it looks clear. Would you run it?
Most would say of course not, but it's pretty much the same thing.
I've done it in the past when in a real hurry, but that 10 second difference hasn't actually made any difference to my time of arrival, so no I wouldn't. It's a risk of 3 points I think. I'd rather save them all for speeding!
I spied an SV doing that on the Shepherds Bush/Holland Park roundabout. One lane was coned off anf the fella just went right in there as if it was an open lane!
Reckon it's time for a Mr. Plod to step in and tell us just how legal it is or isn't.
:)
when was this?
kwak zzr
11-11-07, 04:26 PM
most manouvers on a bike are risky, ive done the red light thing because the lights seemed faulty, you'd have to be sitting on the bike in that situation to see how you delt with it.
yorkie_chris
11-11-07, 04:30 PM
I do it, its safer IMO than hanging around waiting for someone to let you in and then being in a situation where you're boxed in by cages, the kerb and the island.
If its clear and theres no coppers around, even if a copper saw you do it, if the traffics stationary whats the chance of them coming after you?
Had it before where cars will deliberately block me by moving close to the island, so the choice there is ignore the blue sign perfectly safely, or remove their mirror and risk hurting my hand.
As for the unexpected cropping up, when you can see far enough that even a car travelling quickly is seen in sufficient time to move back to normal filtering position after passing the island, whats so dangerous about it?
When looking at this sort of thing my concern is not "is it legal" its more like is it dangerous, if so does it cut enough time off to be worth the risk and most importantly whats the chances and the penalty for getting caught.
Chris
dirtydog
11-11-07, 04:43 PM
Well I have done in the past but would I do it now? Possibly but probably not, why? I'm never in that much of a hurry, it would take very little time off your journey passing on the wrong side of the island.
tsk, tsk!
...admitting to contravening the highway code on a public forum!!! ;o)
;)
when was this?
Friday at about 7:30 p.m. Was going from Earls Court way up the Motorway bit to the A40. It was a pointy.
Generally no, you can usually make room for yourself in front of the car before the islands if traffic is flowing (even slowly).
I've ive been waiting around for quite a while and the traffic is grid locked, i have done this on a rare occasion but generally no.
I believe the offense is a TS10, failing to comply with traffic signals. The same as jumping a red light. 3 Points sir!
Dan
I've done it in the past. I might do it in the future. But I don't make a habit of it.
ASM-Forever
11-11-07, 07:11 PM
I've done it in the past. I might do it in the future. But I don't make a habit of it.
Is this the man entrusted with the TVSF MOD duties.:rolleyes: :p
I voted maybe, as i don't normally do it, however there are islands either side of Marlow bridge that impede filtering and i do it there almost everytime.
-Ralph-
11-11-07, 09:02 PM
Same question with a different road sign: you're at a red light, but it looks clear. Would you run it?
Most would say of course not, but it's pretty much the same thing.
Except that your less likely to have a close encounter with the wheels of a bus as a result.....
Defender
11-11-07, 10:29 PM
I would wait until there's a big enough gap in traffic to filter through.
Talking about filtering - Is it just me that flashes cars to let them know I'm going to be filtering past them? There's so many driver who don't check their mirrors I'm not sure it serves a purpose!
muffles
11-11-07, 10:35 PM
I voted yes, but after reading some of the stuff here I might think twice. Not the fact that it's an offence (only if it's got a directional white arrow on blue background, imo - just plain ones probably serve no other purpose than saying "here's the middle of the road"), but the fact the police don't like it. I'm hoping they really only care if it's moving traffic, though, because I wouldn't like to have to sit there for 5 minutes because the traffic is at a standstill on my side of the road only...
fizzwheel
11-11-07, 10:44 PM
No I wouldnt.
If you're in that much of a hurry that you can't wait a few seconds to join the queue and the filter past once you have room to do so, then you should leave earlier IMHO.
stevehaskew
11-11-07, 10:48 PM
There's one on my commute, on Hammersmith Road, where I could be waiting ages if I stopped, so if I can't fit to the left, I pass it to the right, every time. I don't make a habit of it for other riding, though. I must admit, I didn't realise it was so definitely illegal. This thread makes me think twice!
Steelman
12-11-07, 01:06 AM
I've been done for this, although many years ago before points were handed out with the gay abandon that they are now. Other commenters are right, les flics come down very hard on not obeying keep left signs :smt018
Keep your eyes peeled :rolleyes:
I would,
do a plod check and away I go...
8)
Ironically, I think the answer is in the question here.... "wrong"?
Anyway
Firstly, I'm of the opinion that most road signs should mean the same to a rider as they do a driver, so this one means "keep left". If they had differing meaning the whole system would be up for debate, surely
Secondly, if you were allowed to go around on the right, as well as the left, there'd be two arrows, and cars would be allowed to do it too.
Therefore, no. Mainly because it contravenes the highway code, which I believe is an offence....
:plod:
plowsie
12-11-07, 10:28 AM
What about passing around the outside of a roundabout, quite a biggish one? Cars are going slower than i am, 5 exit roundabout car infront is going your way (3rd exit and is in the righthand lane) would ya overtake?
Ceri JC
12-11-07, 10:44 AM
I have done it on a few occassions. I don't make a habit of it though and certainly wouldn't do it in front of police unless the traffic was stopped completely and had been for some time, unless riding in london (where police are vastly more relaxed about this sort of thing, provided it's done safely). Also, if it went ***s up, I'd accept full responsibility.
If you do it don't get caught and don't moan if you do.
+1.
breaking the law and using a bit of good old progressive riding (;)) often go hand in hand ....... so I'm told :D
I'm with Tomcat, and Hovis. I've done it before (in London - the only place I have), and would probably do it again, if I deemed it to be safe - note my definition of safe may vary to yours.
What about nipping round the wrong side of the odd cone in roadworks?
Done that one too. Cyclists in London do it, only difference is that they're knackered & sweaty, whereas I wasn't.
Might do it.
Its either sit in these islands, usually 2-3 between lights. Cars don't care and never leave enough room. So sit and wait for 3 sets of cars to move fowards, then wait at lights (so we're looking at car pace here, 10 minutes, why bother riding in?), or 2-3 sec naughtyness.
If there is no sign saying keep left, then its ok, as theres nothing saying you can't do it....?
Firstly, look out for traffic, on a straight road in a city center, its not usually hard.
2nd, look out for pedestrians, those looking to cross from the right, those coming through the traffic from the left. If both are clear, and no plod, then i go, always being carefull. If theres pedestrians about to cross, i let them go first.
I've been pulled for it in the past and got a £30 fine, but no points.... From a police bike too.
I would and MAY of done it in London, but I wouldn't dare when out of London/with passanger/on a ride out. I'd wait as im in no rush. But in london, with 90 sets of traffic lights, muppet pedestrians, muppet car drivers, muppet bus drivers, muppet taxis, the cyclists, the sheer amount of times i have to stop. No chance, im going.......
weazelz
12-11-07, 01:03 PM
I do it now & then - plod-check first
I know [of] a couple of people who've been done for it, one got a talking to & iirc Stu got points & fine
plowsie
12-11-07, 02:52 PM
note my definition of safe may vary to yours.
Quite :rolleyes:
northwind
12-11-07, 05:23 PM
Aye, I do it, but it makes me feel like a big criminal to be fair. But it's safer to break the law and go the wrong side of the island than it is to try and squeeze through the right side after all, and personally I put making safe progress first. I could of course safely and legally sit in the traffic, but if that was the plan I'd arrange a roof, a stereo and a heater too.
I believe the offense is a TS10, failing to comply with traffic signals. The same as jumping a red light. 3 Points sir!
Dan
Yes but you could also be done for a dangerous IMO. Isn't the definition of dangerous driving something like 'driving that falls far short of the standard of a reasonably competent driver...' and the manoover doesn't have to be inherently dangerous. So no, I wouldn't do it. I can usually afford to wait the few seconds it would take for the traffic to free up. After all, out here in the sticks it's never that bad.
TheDangerousQuietOne
13-11-07, 03:02 PM
I used to do it because so did 5-6 other bikers and a police biker!! We just used to follow each other round the wrong side of it! We also used to get a nod from the plod sat in traffic in his car, once he actually waved me around it...
Jester666
13-11-07, 07:11 PM
Obviously yes! You need too to make progress in London!
I used to do it because so did 5-6 other bikers and a police biker!! We just used to follow each other round the wrong side of it!
Eh? How comes? Was it in Benny Hill style with the music and everything? Or did the leader shout "chase me chase me"?
You'll have to explain how come there were 5 or 6 bikers and a copper following each other doing naughtys.
KnightRider
13-11-07, 11:19 PM
There's one on my commute, on Hammersmith Road, where I could be waiting ages if I stopped, so if I can't fit to the left, I pass it to the right, every time. I don't make a habit of it for other riding, though. I must admit, I didn't realise it was so definitely illegal. This thread makes me think twice!
I commute through central london and have to say that I can see where everyone is coming from on this point (I'm not admitting to anything officer!). In central London you will often be waiting ages if you dont go the other side of the island as the traffic is so slow.
The thing you always need to be careful of is the peds walking across the island as they are not going to expect you to make such a move and you are totally at fault if you hit one.
blue curvy jester
14-11-07, 11:16 AM
When i used to commute in london had to, now moved to cardiff and tend not to as the cages get across and leave plenty of gaps to slip in and out of (oh and a fuggin noisy can helps startle them out of the way )
If cars are crawling or stationary then yes. If they are moving slowly say 10 mph then would probably tuck in to pass the island than come out again to filter. Depends on opposite traffic flow.
SVeeedy Gonzales
14-11-07, 01:11 PM
Yes, so long as there are no coppers (you will get pulled at worst, a stern look (as me and another biker did in London a few years back) at the least. Also the road has to be clear enough so that as soon as I'm past the island I can get back onto my side. I do this around red lights often, where I can get past a queue of cars and into a space before the lights, or even at lights where when they change I'll go onto the wrong side of the road and cut the corner turning right (the lights are set so that no other traffic can come on the other side of the road for around 30 secs before the lights change).
So long as you can see it's safe (from other road users and coppers) and have somewhere to get back in on your own side, and don't mind taking the risk that if it all goes pear shaped you'll probably take the majority of the liability for an accident, why not?
Biker Biggles
14-11-07, 02:29 PM
Most of whats been said is common sense,and until recently Id have seen it the same way,but surveillance scameras have changed everything.Almost all of Londons main roads and a lot of minor ones are now covered by surviellance cameras.Some are police,some TFL,and some local council.All can land you with a fixed penalty,and there is virtually no way to avoid paying.The registered keeper is responsible for payment even if you wer'nt driving at the time unless you can prove it was nicked.It matters not a jot to these highway robbers whether the manoevre was in any way dangerous or wrong,just pay up and button it.If you dont have these scameras near you good luck,but they will be coming soon.
neilfab
14-11-07, 05:23 PM
If its clear and theres no coppers around, even if a copper saw you do it, if the traffics stationary whats the chance of them coming after you?
Chris
Oh yes they do. Recently sat at lights three bike "went round the outside, round the outside Buffalo girl sylee", I just engaged the gear to follow when... nah-nah nah-nah must make realist police siren sound here...:plod: out pulls plod from the line of traffic and off in hot pursuit. Yes he did go around the outside of the island as well but hey, he is da law.
Alpinestarhero
14-11-07, 05:25 PM
I have started going round traffic island, even when through one yesterday.
Naughty I know, but I dont see the big problem if mothing is coming the other way and traffic is stationary and choc-a-blok!
Matt
SVeeedy Gonzales
14-11-07, 09:03 PM
My dad went round the outside of an island on his bike years ago, with a police car coming the other way as he'd not looked. After shuffling his bike backwards out of they way the copper goes "aren't you a bit old to be trying that sort of thing, sir?" :smt043
many moons ago, i used to be a dispatch rider in london,
the police used to gave us a lot of lee way...
but one thing they booked us was going on the otherside of islands..
they took that as a special breaking the law which will not be tollerated..:rambo:
i do not do that any more / cos i'm a old git with lot of time i spose..:smt043
lukemillar
15-11-07, 12:17 PM
This exact situation came up about 6 months ago. I was following a guy on a KTM who went round the wrong side, whereas I slowed and squeezed through on the correct side. All was fine until one of the cars in the traffic queue indicated right to turn into a petrol station and Mr KTM went straight into the side of him - not pretty as he was going quite quickly. If I had been following then I would have been right in there too.
Police had no sympathy for the biker as he was in completely the wrong place. The car driver didn't even look, but then why would he - the traffic should have been coming from the other direction! Campaigns like Think Bike are a good idea, but at the end of the day, I guess we should be play fair and be in the right place to been seen in the first place!
The car driver didn't even look, but then why would he - the traffic should have been coming from the other direction!
Because the onus is on you to make sure that the move you're about to make is safe. Traffic doesn't often come from there, but they should of looked.
Depending on the speed of the bike, I'd of said the car driver should of picked up at least a bit of the blame (and cost).
Biker Biggles
15-11-07, 12:34 PM
Agree with Luke there.Whatever you think about going the wrong side,you should do it at a speed that enables you to stop well within the distance it takes a numpy to take you out.Thats about walking pace in my book.
I won't say I haven't done this in the past but since being caught and fined (£30 fixed penalty no points), I generally don't anymore.
I noticed the rozzers were pulling bikers over this morning on the Kingsway for exactly this reason. Fortunately a nice lorry driver yelled out to me, to be wary as the plod was about. Thanks lorry driver :thumbsup:
Yes I do it.
Don't do it if you see a cop or an obvious CCTV camera. The 11th commandment: "Thou shall not get caught"
northwind
15-11-07, 07:30 PM
This exact situation came up about 6 months ago. I was following a guy on a KTM who went round the wrong side, whereas I slowed and squeezed through on the correct side. All was fine until one of the cars in the traffic queue indicated right to turn into a petrol station and Mr KTM went straight into the side of him - not pretty as he was going quite quickly. If I had been following then I would have been right in there too.
Aye, but that didn't happen because of the island from the sounds of it?
drefraser
15-11-07, 10:10 PM
many moons ago, i used to be a dispatch rider in london,
the police used to gave us a lot of lee way...
but one thing they booked us was going on the otherside of islands..
I had the same job 15 years ago and I remember going round a traffic island then seeing a police biker coming towards me.
He said "Don't be a complete and utter w**ker." then rode on. I had some respect for that I have to say.
lukemillar
15-11-07, 11:14 PM
Aye, but that didn't happen because of the island from the sounds of it?
Yep, It did. The right turn was immediately after the island, so the bike was on the wrong side of the road because of it. Check my gimp skills....
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3661/diagramrx2.jpg
The guy in the car was positioned, indicating and watching the traffic coming from left. He didn't suddenly pull out or anything, just started moving forward and bang. The biker must have been focusing on the empty road and assumed that all the traffic was stationary. If he had been filtering on the correct side of the road, then he would have had to have slowed for each island + the turning car would have been blocking his path anyway, so there would be way less chance he would have missed it.
lukemillar
15-11-07, 11:18 PM
Because the onus is on you to make sure that the move you're about to make is safe. Traffic doesn't often come from there, but they should of looked.
Depending on the speed of the bike, I'd of said the car driver should of picked up at least a bit of the blame (and cost).
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one :wink: Bike was doing about 20-25mph. Not exactly walking pace....
drefraser
15-11-07, 11:26 PM
Yep, It did. The right turn was immediately after the island, so the bike was on the wrong side of the road because of it. Check my gimp skills....
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3661/diagramrx2.jpg
The guy in the car was positioned, indicating and watching the traffic coming from left. He didn't suddenly pull out or anything, just started moving forward and bang. The biker must have been focusing on the empty road and assumed that all the traffic was stationary. If he had been filtering on the correct side of the road, then he would have had to have slowed for each island + the turning car would have been blocking his path anyway, so there would be way less chance he would have missed it.
Luke, does your bike really look like that from above?
yorkie_chris
15-11-07, 11:27 PM
He's got really long kneesliders
northwind
15-11-07, 11:29 PM
Yeah, but take the island out of the equation, he'd still have been filtering, and the car would probably still have pulled out on him, no?
lukemillar
15-11-07, 11:33 PM
Yeah, but take the island out of the equation, he'd still have been filtering, and the car would probably still have pulled out on him, no?
No - the driver had already positioned himself to turn right, so if he was filtering on the correct side then the bikers path would have been blocked by the car. The car was just waiting for a cyclist who was coming the other way to go past before moving.
northwind
15-11-07, 11:43 PM
Sounds to me like he'd have just pulled across further tbh... If he missed that the driver was positioned to turn, seems a good chance he'd have gone for the pass, just assuming he was badly positioned. But I wasn't there, so fair enough.
I don't filter in my own lane if I can avoid it, why squeeze up against the cars and reduce my clearance and visibility... I get well across into the next lane whenever there's space.
lukemillar
15-11-07, 11:56 PM
I don't filter in my own lane if I can avoid it, why squeeze up against the cars and reduce my clearance and visibility... I get well across into the next lane whenever there's space.
Yep - fair enough. And I'm not saying that I never go around the wrong side of an island. Just whenever the need comes up - I'm probably way more cautious and would do it at a slow pace after witnessing this accident.
drefraser
16-11-07, 12:02 AM
Yep - fair enough. And I'm not saying that I never go around the wrong side of an island. Just whenever the need comes up - I'm probably way more cautious and would do it at a slow pace after witnessing this accident.
And certainly not carrying a longbow over your knees.
northwind
16-11-07, 12:50 AM
I'm probably way more cautious and would do it at a slow pace after witnessing this accident.
Yeah, sounds like a plan.
lukemillar
16-11-07, 01:11 AM
Luke, does your bike really look like that from above?
lol - I think the rider was having a 'titanic' moment
Ratty46
16-11-07, 06:28 AM
i heard yesterday that in wapping in east london, teh old bill were stopping bikers and warning them not to go round traffic islands, £30 fine if you do, cameras may catch you out too, reason they were, was due to a fatal bike accident in teh summer, young rider went round one hit oncoming..game over....
In the example above, it doesn't really matter who would have been to blame had the biker been on the right side of the road. Yes, the same accident may have happened, or it may not. Had the biker been on the correct side of the traffic island and it happened, the driver would be more likely to be found at fault. As it is the biker doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Having re-read that, I hope the biker still has at least one leg to stand on...
ASM-Forever
16-11-07, 07:07 PM
I did it today.....it was fun. :)
drefraser
16-11-07, 08:58 PM
lol - I think the rider was having a 'titanic' moment
Oh yes...
"I'm the King of the Island! Oh ********"
Must admit I do this every day through London and I'd never given it a second thought from a legality standpoint. This thread has definitely made me think twice. Guess I've been lucky so far.
Having now looked at the images because I'm not at work, I often do this and had considered thats it probably not an acceptable thing to do....needs must though, I would think twice about doing it if there was something coming though.
lukemillar
18-11-07, 03:18 AM
In the example above, it doesn't really matter who would have been to blame had the biker been on the right side of the road. Yes, the same accident may have happened, or it may not. Had the biker been on the correct side of the traffic island and it happened, the driver would be more likely to be found at fault. As it is the biker doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Having re-read that, I hope the biker still has at least one leg to stand on...
Yeah - i think he was ok. He was only wearing jeans (but i'm not going to get into that argument :wink: )
What wasn't pretty was that he had a large set of keys in his pocket which he landed on and stuck into his thigh.....ouch.
metalmonkey
18-11-07, 04:05 PM
Right I have an answer for everyone on this.....
I read an email on this I got sent about bikes going on the o/s of keep left markers on the road, yes it is wrong and bad. The minnium is a £30 fine, or anything up to dangrous driving which end up with you in court and no licence.
This is something that is being actively targeted, so now you know.
To be honest its up to you what you do but bear this in mind.....I saw a car that had crashed in tree last night estimated impact speed as the min was 60mph. The cars driver was killed instatly, the petrol tank split and the car set alight. The last I heard, the passanger was trapped in the car, and burnt to death.
Please, please be careful out there people, the last thing thing I want to find is one of you at an accident, or worse. Thunder
To be honest its up to you what you do but bear this in mind.....I saw a car that had crashed in tree last night estimated impact speed as the min was 60mph. The cars driver was killed instatly, the petrol tank split and the car set alight. The last I heard, the passanger was trapped in the car, and burnt to death.
whats this got to do with
Passing on wrong side of a traffic Island?
metalmonkey
18-11-07, 04:36 PM
I'm trying to make point, of what can happen when it goes wrong. That is all, yes its a car crash, but could have easily been a bike and a rider.....
Or possibly the bike going the wrong way round the island causing a car to swerve into a tree :?:
Food for thought...
northwind
18-11-07, 05:36 PM
Hmm... If I do it, I'll be doing it when there's no oncoming cars who mught swerve into a tree, and the risk of someone pulling out is IMO no different to any other time I'd filter past a car. Like anything else, do it badly and it'll bite you.
Hmm... If I do it, I'll be doing it when there's no oncoming cars who mught swerve into a tree, and the risk of someone pulling out is IMO no different to any other time I'd filter past a car. Like anything else, do it badly and it'll bite you.
I understand your point and agree. However, there are (because I have seen them do it) bikers that will do this with scant disregard to oncoming traffic.
metalmonkey
18-11-07, 05:49 PM
I understand your point and agree. However, there are (because I have seen them do it) bikers that will do this with scant disregard to oncoming traffic.
Yup I think we have all seen this happen and its has pointed out several times, there are groups of people who really don't like bikers at all. We really don't do our selves any favours.....
Some people I work with don't like bikes okay, I have spent ages saying yer were not thatn bad ect....then they see a biker do someting like this. It makes it hard to defend really. Yeah its only small amount of peope that ride dangrously but bad news travels a lot quicker than good news.
You really have to think, what I am going to gain by doing this, is a few seconds really worth it, when it all goes wrong?
I'm trying to make point, of what can happen when it goes wrong. That is all, yes its a car crash, but could have easily been a bike and a rider.....
just seems a bit random, and nothing to do with the question asked
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