Nearly hit a moped today

[timwilky]

So I am in the cage. I am turning right, look in mirror and see a car followed by a moped behind me. So I indicate right, slow down and check in mirror again and the car is still behind me. But no moped.

As I start my turn, there is something niggling me and I stop my turn. The bloody moped then whips past totally oblivious to the rh indicator, position of car in road etc. Part of me wanted to follow this prat and have a strong word or two.

Overtaking a car that is turning right. How bloody stupid was this idiot.

Of course the bikers never make a mistake brigade would have had me lynched if he had hit me.

[Samnooshka]

Its happened to me several times on the way to work in the mornings... i just expect it now... and its not just moped riders that do it either.

[ASM-Forever]

Bikers do it as well, but in my experience peds/scooters are the worst offenders.

[skint]

You missed it? Nearly isn't good enough try harder next time :D

[Ceri JC]

You missed it? Nearly isn't good enough try harder next time :D

Beat me to it! :D

[yorkie_chris]

What a muppet.

Go back and have another go :p

[Keith1983]

In my humble opinion it is the crappy cbt training that they let these people loose on the roads with, but thats another can of worms!

[GregK2]

Saw a moped with L plates on the M25 tonight :shock:

[yorkie_chris]

No its darwin. :p

I rode for a fair while with a crappy CBT and didn't go overtaking cars while they were turning

[Xan173]

What a muppet.

Go back and have another go :p

+1

[Xan173]

In my humble opinion it is the crappy cbt training that they let these people loose on the roads with, but thats another can of worms!

Keep the kids off the road I say, get them used to using public transport well before they get the option to have their own transport. They're a modern day plague.

[BILLY]

In my humble opinion it is the crappy cbt training that they let these people loose on the roads with, but thats another can of worms!
Wel the likes of myself and the older riders this doesn't apply so you learn from experience:rolleyes:

[yorkie_chris]

Keep the kids off the road I say, get them used to using public transport well before they get the option to have their own transport. They're a modern day plague.

Harsh.
I was fairly well used to public transport as I used it untill I was 16, was very grateful to get on the road after that.

I feel very sorry for people stuck with public transport, and think it should be avoided at all costs on account of it being a shower of $hite.

[squirrel_hunter]

Keep the kids off the road I say, get them used to using public transport well before they get the option to have their own transport. They're a modern day plague.

Public transport is the reason I got a 'ped when I was 16.

Admittedly though back then 'peds were only just coming back into vogue and public attitude was very different then today. However some of them may graduate up to bikes in a few years time and how will we treat them then?

But I digress. Mopeds do it and so do some bikers. I did it once, I over took a car indicating and turning right. I had a very, very near miss. I was 17 at the time and riding my TZR, I would never do it again. Everyone makes mistakes, its what you do after that counts but I am troubled by the attitude that some have taken.

[SV-net]

Do they not teach the `Life Saver` anymore?
I found after my training (AHem 1994) they drilled the life saver into us big time.
After passing the bike test I found that I was more aware in the car and actually do check for bikes passing.
Granted the peds are a pain, but us bikers when in cars we should all be more aware of our buddies around us eh.
Keep it safe.

[timwilky]

Do they not teach the `Life Saver` anymore?
I found after my training (AHem 1994) they drilled the life saver into us big time.
After passing the bike test I found that I was more aware in the car and actually do check for bikes passing.
Granted the peds are a pain, but us bikers when in cars we should all be more aware of our buddies around us eh.
Keep it safe.

If you read my original post, I stated that there was something niggling me. the fact that the moped I knew to have been one car behind me was no longer there. I had done all the checks, confirmed that it was clear and was now committed to the right turn. At that point my observation was focused on looking into the junction I was entering. Not on looking over my shoulder to see if anyone had decided to overtake me in the 2 - 3 seconds since I had checked.

You can be as aware as you like. But when the prats do stupid manoeuvres like this one did, you just thank your lucky stars that they got away with it. The problem is that this idiot probably never even realised just how close he came to being wiped out.

[-Ralph-]

Well done for your sixth sense, even though the guy sounds like he needs someone to take him off and teach him a lesson! Would have made a nasty mess of your car door though. If you weren't a biker yourself he probably would have been off, cagers don't have the same sixth sense.

[Lozzo]

In my humble opinion it is the crappy cbt training that they let these people loose on the roads with, but thats another can of worms!

No it's not - it's the fact that kids will not accept that anyone even slightly older has a clue, and they always know better. 16 year old kids are invincible, and everyone else is an idiot, just ask a few and they'll all say the same thing, if you can understand a single word from the drug induced garbled crap they spout. Cast your mind back to when you were 16 and how you viewed anyone over the age of 25.

They don't "pass" CBT, they complete a course of instruction and get a certificate to say so. There is a difference. If it was a test they'd have to be issued with a full licence pass certificate, if they had passed.

[yorkie_chris]

if you can understand a single word from the drug induced garbled crap they spout.

Er, tar, brush...

I never rode my scoot while under the influence of anything

[Ratty46]

i see this everyday in london,

people that ride a scoot, but havent a clue....

see some pople actually ride properly, some at a 'progressive pace' others slow and moderate, using what they know and have been taught to be aware and avoid contact with tarmac or car! these people are teh type that gradute to a bigger bike, teh others ar e just idiots that ride like they are invincible, yep that suits gonna save your skin, and open face helmet? hope they dont go down face first, oh and they are normally on vespas teh new ones!, when i ride my scoot i do ride it a bit ragged, but i always do my lifesavers, and never in a million years would i overtake a car INDICATING to go right.

funny, i have seen a clip on youtube of a guy do this on a scoot...past...an old bill car, they pulled him, turned out one of tehm was a biker, he proper bollocked him, too right n all!

[tonyk]

ha i remember that.
i think he was called napister, OFFS the way he rode...........
no wonder people hate us..
he over took a police indercateing right !...

[Sean_C]

I would never ride a 'ped.
All the "cool kids" at school got them when they turned 16, which was enough of an offput- they'd buzz up and down the roads by the school showing off.. I waited til i was 17 and got a proper bike :)

A load of the kids meet up next door on friday nights, and i've seen them riding about the village. They're ****ing mental..

Though to be fair, there are a good few 'ped riders that aren't maniacs. They tend not to be a few days past their 16th birthday though.

Where I did my CBT, I had an amazing instructor. He was telling me about most kids my age doing it, he has a lot of them come back for a second day in order to pass. Odd they don't just fail someone?

I think a lot of what comes out of the CBT is the instructor. If you have someone who instills confidence, clearly knows what he's on about, and is good fun, you're going to go away a decent rider.

[Ratty46]

ha i remember that.
i think he was called napister, OFFS the way he rode...........
no wonder people hate us..
he over took a police indercateing right !...

yup, proper bellend:D

[SVeeedy Gonzales]

Nearly hit it - should have tried harder...

I had a guy on a ZX6R attempt to pull an overtake after me and the car in front had pulled to the centre of the road (single carriageway) and the car in front was indicating to turn right. Was only when I put my indicator on that he got the message and backed off. Don't overtake cars when there's a right turn coming up, folks, indicators on the cars or not.

Then saw a European rider on a (sigh) BMW overtakig on blind bends and nearly lunching himself on the car in front / oncoming traffic and he kept on goiung like that was all normal and to be expected as part of his fun ride.

Let's face it, some bikers/scooter riders put themselves in a position where they're going to get knocked off (OK, ALL scooter riders). Take care out there folks - keep clear of those blind spots, especially with this cold damp weather.

[Ratty46]

Then saw a European rider on a (sigh) BMW overtakig on blind bends and nearly lunching himself on the car in front / oncoming traffic and he kept on goiung like that was all normal and to be expected as part of his fun ride.

i bet ya thats the same guy i see in the summer, he was a right ****** idiot, he just kept charging past all the cars, even on bends! i couldnt belive it! this was up essex way, i think it was a white BMW he had foriegn plates.

[Alpinestarhero]

I hold my hands up when I make a istake like that, and thank my lucky stars that it wasnt a bigger mistake. Hoever, it does get me into a right state of anger when someone dosnt indicate. This evening, a guy in a car went to pull out into my lane, got halfway over and I thought "he hasnt seen me". Sounded my horn. Well, he didnt like me letting him know I was there, where he wanted to put his car, and promptly chased me. This scared me quite a bit, so much so that I pulled out all my riding skills to filter through the next traffic to loose him, I didnt want to get into a position where he might jump out of his car and beat me up, for his mistake.

So you are right for being angry at the moped rider - he should be looking more, and paying more attention to the cars he is overtaking - I dont overtake cars by a junction that is on the right hand side (unless I completly dont notice, in which case I am at great fault and putting myself in danger). I hope I'm right for being angry at the car driver, who didnt signal and wanted to occupy the road that I was using.

Matt

[grh1904]

A lad across the road from us is bike daft. I've had himm on the back of me a couple of times, and even took him camping at teh GP and some BSB meets.

He turned 16 earlier this year and promptly got himself a twist n go and the CBT.

He wrote it off after about 10 days. Totally admits it's his fault.

He even admits that despite all the talkings to by me and mate (both :plod: and pretty experienced riders to boot), giving him as much roadcraft as we could verbally and taking him out for a "progressive" ride where we talked through an extensive de-brief, he still though that the scoot made him like the old cartoon character BATFINK.

"MY WINGS (SCOOTER) ARE LIKE A SHIELD OF STEEL".

Going around a very narrow right hander, with no white lines, he openly admits that he took a racing line (if you can get one of those on a scoot), and went head on with a cage.

What defies total logic is that a kid with absolutely no road sense what so ever is allowed out on public highways once they've done a day proving that they won't fall off weaving in/out of cones.

I hate the young boy/girl racers, but they have at least undergone some driving lessons and a test to get out there. Spotty faced 'erberts can do it aged 16yrs & 1 day - no test.:smt013

[Ratty46]

sorry but some people are idiots...he is obviously one.

he may be a decent young chap when hes not on a bike, put him on a bike and he turns into an idiot!

you tried to educate him and he didnt listen, not suprised he crashed.

harsh...but true?

[Sean_C]

I hold my hands up when I make a istake like that, and thank my lucky stars that it wasnt a bigger mistake. Hoever, it does get me into a right state of anger when someone dosnt indicate. This evening, a guy in a car went to pull out into my lane, got halfway over and I thought "he hasnt seen me". Sounded my horn. Well, he didnt like me letting him know I was there, where he wanted to put his car, and promptly chased me. This scared me quite a bit, so much so that I pulled out all my riding skills to filter through the next traffic to loose him, I didnt want to get into a position where he might jump out of his car and beat me up, for his mistake.

Matt


Hah, assuming he did jump out of his car and not knock you off your bike, he'd have to be a proper idiot to take someone on wearing full body armour :rolleyes: Glad you got out of it ok though. I'd have to get off for a few minutes for some air.. would be seething if someone chased me.

[Ceri JC]

The old woman in my town who rides a C90 in a dress(!), women's shoes and lid needs a good knocking off to get some sense into her. Can't ride for toffee, tesco bags of shopping hanging off the bars. I've nearly had her off twice in my car. She glowered at me as though it wass somehow my fault she came waaay over the centreline into my lane in a manner that'd have a weekend worrier ZX-10R rider green with envy.