GSX-R Front end conversion

[phil24_7]

Well here's some pics of my shennanigans (?).

Over the next few days/weeks I shall be fitting K5 GSX-R 600 forks/calipers/wheel/yokes with TL1000 S clip on's and hopefully a K5/6 master cylinder and while it's in the garage I figured I sort some other stuff that's been on my list of things to do.

First off, remove the snow plough and fit the undertray/number plate holder/indicators that I've had for months, fit a new R/H lower fairing that I've also had for a while, PCIII that I've had since I passed my test, Black rear wheel to match the new front, GSX-R shock (either a K5 600 that I already have, or a K5 1000 which I would prefer but dunno if I can afford) and the new Autocom system that I bought at the NEC. I also wanted to sort out a few problems with the alarm!

It's a long old list but I'm hoping it wont take too long.

Here she is just after I started
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1196.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1196.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)


Managed to get the whole back end off with out splitting the plastics for the first time!
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1201.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1201.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)


Here she is strpped of all the appropriate panels.
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1209.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1209.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

Anybody know what these are meant to connect to? They're off my accumen alarm that I fitted myself.
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1204.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1204.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

While I was at it, I removed the snorkel. (Mmm, sounds nice!)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1208.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1208.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

Ready to remove the forks
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1222.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1222.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

Look she's flying (with the aid of my lovely new abba stand and a roof rafter!)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1225.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1225.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

First mistake of the day
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1228.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1228.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

I dropped the forks through the yokes meaning I couldn't remove the forks or the bottom yoke with out raising the forks back up again which is bloody hard on your own! (This was thanks to poor advice)

Top yoke removed and ready to romove the forks/bottom yoke. (just have to raise the forks through the yokes)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1229.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1229.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

Mmm, beautifull. Tightened the headstem nut just enough to hold it until I can finish the job.
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1230.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1230.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

I'll post more picks as an when I do the work.

Regards

[dizzyblonde]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....nice forks

[phil24_7]

Why thank you.

[DarrenSV650S]

You're such a copy-cat! I've got gsxr forks too, ready to fit. I'm waiting on a gsxr wheel. How much was your abba stand? I need one.

You said you dropped the forks through the yokes.......... What should you have done instead?

[phil24_7]

Abba stand was £85 from the NEC.

Just strip clip-ons, remove top yoke, remove clip-ons, trace the speedo sensor wire up to the frame and disconnect (you'll have to cut the cable ties attatching it to the brake line) and release the head stem. Forks and yokes will drop out a piece of pi55.

My advice came from someone who didn't realise I was swapping the yokes as well.

First major bit of work I've done to my bike and it went better than expected, I'm hoping it goes back together just as easily.

[Ed]

Respect. Looks like major engineering to me:D

[phil24_7]

No. The major engineering comes nect year when I get the frame and swing arm powder coated!! :-D

[rob13]

Phil, this looks too easy?? Surely theres more to it when swapping front ends. Whats the insurance company said?

[phil24_7]

I know. It looks too easy and so far it's been too easy, keep waiting for something to go wrong to make it a bit more difficult!

Insurance haven't been told yet so I may be looking for a new insurance company soon if my company won't cover the mods!

[plowsie]

Just up the value of the bike....

[andyb]

I told my ins company and they were more than happy, they put it down as suspension upgrade with all the details of the bike it came from. Didn't affect my premium and I'm only 25! It is really easy to do (I couldnt believe how easy), it was my first go at bike mechanics and I didn't have any problems but I did do my research before I started.

[hovis]

i have fireblade forks





on my fireblade

[Alpinestarhero]

i have fireblade forks

On your beta?




Matt

[Lozzo]

Phil, this looks too easy?? Surely theres more to it when swapping front ends.

Getting the speedo to work is the bit I'm waiting for.

Gixer speedos pick up on the front sprocket and the front wheel doesn't have the capability to take the SV speedo drive. Be interesting to see how that litte job is dealt with neatly.

I'm guessing the magnet and pick up from a bicycle speedo could be used as it's only a Hall Effect pick up in the SV drive - wiring that into the SV speedo circuit wouldn't take a genius to figure out. Alternatively, mounting the Gixer drive in the SV front sprocket housing (and whatever pick-ups the Gixer uses) with a suitable 'speedo healer' to rectify any changes made by gearing differences.

However it's dealt with, it'd be nice to see it as close to a 'factory fit' look as is possible, because the fork swop looks like it was designed that way.

Come to think of it...is there any way the SV front wheel can be used with the Gixer spindle and a change of wheel bearings/spacers to allow this?

[andyb]

theres a kit you can buy fron the US that sorts the speedo pick-up issue. Its only some magnets and a pick-up that wires straight into the SV's speedo cable. Comes with a mounting bracket that mounts onto the brake caliper. I think Northy has run his from the back wheel though so there are a few alternatives out there, just depends on how difficult you want to make it for yourself.

[phil24_7]

Who needs a speedo anyway!!! ;-)

Will Investigate the whole speedo thing to see what my best option is, will probably ask our counterparts across the pond to see what they recommend. Want it to look like it was meant to be there once it's done.

[John 675]

im just trying to find the parts at a decent price, other than the paint job.. this IS next on the list.
but forks tend to cop it in a crash so can be difficult to get parts..:mad:

[ThEGr33k]

Getting the speedo to work is the bit I'm waiting for.

Gixer speedos pick up on the front sprocket and the front wheel doesn't have the capability to take the SV speedo drive. Be interesting to see how that litte job is dealt with neatly.

I'm guessing the magnet and pick up from a bicycle speedo could be used as it's only a Hall Effect pick up in the SV drive - wiring that into the SV speedo circuit wouldn't take a genius to figure out. Alternatively, mounting the Gixer drive in the SV front sprocket housing (and whatever pick-ups the Gixer uses) with a suitable 'speedo healer' to rectify any changes made by gearing differences.

However it's dealt with, it'd be nice to see it as close to a 'factory fit' look as is possible, because the fork swop looks like it was designed that way.

Come to think of it...is there any way the SV front wheel can be used with the Gixer spindle and a change of wheel bearings/spacers to allow this?


Look at my Signature my man! :thumright:

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Look at my Signature my man! :thumright:

Your avatar needs updating though ;)

[kwak zzr]

very nice phil very nice.

[phil24_7]

Why thank you kwak 'king of the quick rebuilds' zzr!

[BillyC]

Hi

Looks great - I'm nearly ready to do mine, I really only have a few piddly parts left to buy.

The tricky bit with my planned conversion, is that my bike's a naked, and I need to have a good think about how I will mount the headlight and speedo, and have it looking respectable, and not like some mashed up streetfighter convo (which is sort of what it is anyway).

When you get around to doing the speedo pickup - please post more pics, keen to see how it goes on in practice.

[DarrenSV650S]

+1 for the speedo pics

[phil24_7]

I will post pics when I get around to sorting that out. Probably gonna follow the guide that was posted in someones sig (sorry, name evades me at the mo!) on the previous page.

Just gotta find a shop in the UK for them and find the equivilent parts

EDIT: TheGr33k is the poster I was thinking of!

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Speedo. Sorry for quality of pic.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5219/15062007024mr0.jpg

[BillyC]

Squiz

Are you doing yours too?

[MitchC]

Jealous!!

Me wants... Anyone wanna rebuild my front end...? Yeah... I said it. ;)

Mitch

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Squiz

Are you doing yours too?

Already done - that's my bike :cool:

[fizzwheel]

You sure thats off a 6, those disc's look like the anniversay fitment that I have on my 750. I know the made an anniversay 600 so maybe thats what its off, but those defo IMHO arent a standard GSXR 6 front disc pattern.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

You sure thats off a 6, those disc's look like the anniversay fitment that I have on my 750. I know the made an anniversay 600 so maybe thats what its off, but those defo IMHO arent a standard GSXR 6 front disc pattern.

They did aniv. 600s and 750s.

[phil24_7]

Mine's off the anniversary 600.

Regards

[northwind]

Phil, this looks too easy?? Surely theres more to it when swapping front ends.

He's let the cat out of the bag :rolleyes: It's actually pretty straightforward, 9/10 prep and planning and getting the right parts. If you can fit a head bearing you can swap a front end. Now, don't tell anyone else, otherwise nobody will be impressed any more. Even the speedo drive options are pretty simple these days. One of the things that makes it such a great mod IMO.

Looking good there- did you drop the old front end out entire?

[phil24_7]

You asking me there northy?

If so, yeah i did (well after my first c0ck up of dropping the forks on someones advice!), then just slotted the complete front end in. Piece of pi55 apart from the slightly bent mounting hole on the rad. Once I've sorted that out with a big rubber mallet the bottom yoke shouldn't catch on the lower fairing!

Had a bit of an issue with the brake lines not quite being long enough with the TL1000S clip ons but i managed to manipulate them to fit! Also had a bit of a problem getting the clutch lever on far enough to mount the switch gear but nothing a bench grinder didn't sort out for me!

Just gotta wait nother 7 days now until my next day off to try and finish the job!

[Biker_Billy]

Is looking very good Phil...you got me tempted to do something to mine now....mind you, it might be wasted with my riding ability:p

All you need to do now is get a rear indicator...last time I saw you it was bust...and the time before that...:cool:

Good work tho...!

[northwind]

You asking me there northy?

If so, yeah i did (well after my first c0ck up of dropping the forks on someones advice!), then just slotted the complete front end in.

I do it in bits y'see, more manageable that way... Though it's a bit more work I suppose. Must be very satisfying just sliding the whole front end in. As it were ;)

[phil24_7]

Is looking very good Phil...you got me tempted to do something to mine now....mind you, it might be wasted with my riding ability:p

All you need to do now is get a rear indicator...last time I saw you it was bust...and the time before that...:cool:

Good work tho...!

Do it anyway, just so you can say you did it, plus once the spring gets here you can push your riding a bit more to get quicker although, to be honest, your not slow mate.

I've had new indicators for a while, just never got round to fitting them. Now I've removed the snow plough, I'm finally getting around to fitting the undertray so they'll be fitted at the same time!

I do it in bits y'see, more manageable that way... Though it's a bit more work I suppose. Must be very satisfying just sliding the whole front end in. As it were ;)

If I could start it all again I would drop it all out in 1 as it's easy once the bikes on the Abba stand and the front is roped up.

Choping at the bit now to get back up to the garage and finish it off.

[Biker_Billy]

Eh Phil - up for a bit of swap shop....?

In the New Year, I'll need to take the front wheel off, tyre change required ya see, tempted to uprate the springs to my riding weight and fork oil too....

Im going to be getting some vacuum gauges in a few weeks - what do you think about a swap - your abba stand for my gauges for a week...once you are finished with changing the front end of course...?

Sorry to derail tho':cool:

Cheers,

Billy.

[rob13]

Gents I've asked this question before but a Gixxer front end swap & new rear shock - what kind of budget are we looking? Is it really worth the extra or should I just save and buy a new bike?

[northwind]

It's a tricky question... Frinstance, with mine, if I'd kept a tighter rein on the budget- not splashed on powdercoating and other bells and whistles- I'd have actually come out pretty much even- SV parts are quite valuable since, well, we like to ride into stuff. GSXR, especially older stuff, is less in demand. But then, where you can get into real costs is when there's problems with the parts, you might get unlucky with bent forks or warped discs, and there goes your budget.

It also depends on your weight- because I'm puny, I can sling on totally stock forks and not bother revalving. If you're a bit heavier, then they're not going to be right for you just as SV forks aren't right, they'll work better but not perfectly- so a respring and revalve is sensible. Servicing any older forks is generally a good idea regardless.

But if you're careful, and lucky, and you keep your eye on the goal it can be cheap and very effective. Sticking a Y-K3 750 fork onto a pointy SV is IMO one of the best mods there is, or SRAD 750 fork onto a curvy- both are pretty simple fits using inexpensive parts. You can go up a notch and use the better, blingier more recent parts, but it costs. Comparing the GSXR forks with, say, emulators gives interesting results.

Also, they're dead impressive and people will think you know what you're doing :thumbsup:

[phil24_7]

Gents I've asked this question before but a Gixxer front end swap & new rear shock - what kind of budget are we looking? Is it really worth the extra or should I just save and buy a new bike?

About £300 for mina all in but mine was obscenely cheap!!!:-D

[rob13]

What rear shock are we using? Gixxer again?

[phil24_7]

K5 gixer thou is the best of the bunch for the pointy, though I've got a K5 600 that I'm gonna fit till I get my hands on one.

[BigBaddad]

Where did you get those "square" tyres......lol

[phil24_7]

They're not square, it just looks like that cuz of the dust!

They've done a few thousand miles now so wouldn't suprise me if they're starting to square off a bit but not so you'd notice while riding (yet!).

Roll on the summer and some brand new 2ct's!

[Flamin_Squirrel]

What rear shock are we using? Gixxer again?

If you have the money, buy a proper bespoke replacement. Much better than GSX-R.

[phil24_7]

True squirrel but that's a different thread!!

But I also ain't got that kinda money at the mo!

[Lozzo]

When's the next installment of photos?

Come on, we're waiting :)

[phil24_7]

Oops, sorry.

I took a couple today and was gonna update tomorrow after I've done some more work.

Watch this space!

[phil24_7]

Well most of it's done now and it's all rebuilt. Will update tomorrow evening with some pics and details.

[phil24_7]

Well the update is here.

This is the problem I had with the fairing. It was catchin the upper lip of the lower fairing on both sides though more-so on the off side.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1235.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1235.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1257.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1257.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

This was because of a slightly bent rad and was rectified by spacing out the lowers and doing this to the offside!

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1253.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1253.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1255.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1255.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

While it was stripped I took the oportunity to fit the PCIII I've had laying around for nearly a year and the Autocom I bought at the NEC.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1262.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1262.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1263.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1263.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

With the fairings no longer rubbing I re3built the front end.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1265.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1265.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

I then set about fitting the undertray that I've had sitting around longer than the PCIII!

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1269.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1269.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1272.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1272.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

It's starting to come together now.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1270.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1270.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

Just need to wire up the indy's and led rear light.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1271.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1271.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

Here's the backend in all it's glory.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1273.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1273.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1274.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1274.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1276.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1276.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1277.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1277.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1280.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1280.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

It's now almost finished.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1287.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1287.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1289.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1289.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1290.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1290.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

Just need to get another fairing bolt that's a tad longer than standard.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1291.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1291.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

And connect the power wires for the Autocom and mount the Autocom headset connectors to the frame somewhere.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1292.jpg (http://forums.sv650.org/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z282/phil24_7/GSX-R%20conversion/IMG_1292.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

[fizzwheel]

Looking good, what you doing with the back wheel are you getting it colour matched to the front one ?

And just noticed where your bike came from, same place my GSXR and Liz's Duke did.

[Welsh_Wizard]

fair play, that looks bad ass.. front disc looks luuuuuuush...

[DarrenSV650S]

That undertray looks so sexy:smt045
Makes my hamicad look pants. :(
Where did you get it? Did the number plate hanger and light come with it?


Oh and what clip-ons did you use in the end? Do they fit ok?

[hovis]

considering its the wrong shape and colour............

its not looking to bad mr phil, the proof will be how much better it handles

i hope all this time spent with the bike, is not making mrs phil unwanted


:kiss:

[phil24_7]

Looking good, what you doing with the back wheel are you getting it colour matched to the front one ?

And just noticed where your bike came from, same place my GSXR and Liz's Duke did.

I already have a K5 SV rear wheel, just gotta get a new set of tyres then put it on.

The girl I bought it from got it from there I think.

fair play, that looks bad ass.. front disc looks luuuuuuush...

It does and it does. Just gotta try and get the same patter disk for the rear now!!

That undertray looks so sexy:smt045
Makes my hamicad look pants. :(
Where did you get it? Did the number plate hanger and light come with it?


Oh and what clip-ons did you use in the end? Do they fit ok?

The undertray is a Pyramid that I picked up for something like £25, brand new on eBay! The bracket is a Dr Bike bracket from J&S £7 or £8 I think and the led rear light was £3 off eBay (it needs to be adjusted a little so that it lights the plate better and so that no light is emitted backwards.).

The clip-ons were TL1000S, I just need to put a thread through the locator bolt holes or perhaps in the top yoke so that they spin around the forks under heavy braking!

considering its the wrong shape and colour............

its not looking to bad mr phil, the proof will be how much better it handles

i hope all this time spent with the bike, is not making mrs phil unwanted


:kiss:

She does a little but she knows it's for a good cause, besides, now she'll be able to nag me when we go out for a ride together cuz of the Autocom. Normal service will be resumed shortly, only got a bit of tidying up to do, oh, and a GSX-R 1000 K5 shock swap (it's sat here in my house just screaming to be fitted!!).

[DarrenSV650S]

Doesn't look the same as the pyramid ones. Plus, the pyramid one is £129.99 !!:o

[rob13]

Phil, can you not wire the autocom in front of the Pillion seat, as thats where mine comes from (when i occasionally use it for phone/music)

[phil24_7]

Doesn't look the same as the pyramid ones. Plus, the pyramid one is £129.99 !!:o

Seem to remember it being a pyramid one but doesn't look like the one on their website. The one they show looks like an ermax one so guess it's an older design. It came second hand, although ot had never been fitted and it was already the right colour!

Phil, can you not wire the autocom in front of the Pillion seat, as thats where mine comes from (when i occasionally use it for phone/music)

I'm not sure where I'm gonna put the connector yet. I need to see what feels comfortable first as well as putting it somewhere that it can't be seen!

[insideyou]

http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2007%5C10%5C07%5Cbikepics-1048667-full.jpg

http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2007%5C08%5C29%5Cbikepics-1007006-800.jpg

My autocom instalation:

Rider- in front ,under the seat with more or less 20cm cord(the connector usualy stay at the height the waist), so no nuts/balls problem there..:-)
passenger: just under the seat near the lock

[phil24_7]

Cheers for the pics. I want mine where it can't be seen though.

[DarrenSV650S]

What about putting a quick release screw (that you could loosen by hand) on the black diamond panel. Then you could take off the panel to give you access and have the cable coming out the side of it

[phil24_7]

At the mo I'm thinking about behind the rear subframe so it's easy to get to, and hidden. But will have to wait till thursday to play.

[Lozzo]

Call me a cynical old sod if you like, but the last things I want on my bike are:

A) A pillion

B) A pillion who talks to me

In the words of my grumpy old mate Steve "If the woman wants to ride, she can get her own bloody bike"

[yorkie_chris]

You want to get a high level can and a seat cowl instead :-P

[Lozzo]

Haha, I took the pillion pegs off my Gixer and my SV (stuck them back on for the For Sale photos). I only ever fitted the pillion seat to my Daytona when I put my tailpack on.

[phil24_7]

I don't mind taking Kate out on the back and it would help if we could talk without having to stop first. I don't ride fast with her on the back, more scenic riding than anything else. I leave the fun stuff for when the seat cowl is on!!

Oh, and I've just got her a bike for Christmas!

[Alpinestarhero]

I don't mind taking Kate out on the back and it would help if we could talk without having to stop first. I don't ride fast with her on the back, more scenic riding than anything else. I leave the fun stuff for when the seat cowl is on!!



Same; with maria i take it easy, smetimes i go a bit faster than i would normaly just for fun, but not as fast as I do alone

Matt

[or_ghani]

hi phil get us inform about your insurance .wish you fun and luke.
ghani

[phil24_7]

Haven't told em yet but haven't needed to yet as it's still in the garage.

[yorkie_chris]

Just called up carole nash.

Standard bike (just slip on, indis) £640

Mine (micron pipes, gixxer front, indis, jack up, renthals) £660

Not bad at all :D

[phil24_7]

I'm hoping it doesn't push up my £100 quote too much! ;-)

[DarrenSV650S]

The clip-ons were TL1000S, I just need to put a thread through the locator bolt holes or perhaps in the top yoke so that they spin around the forks under heavy braking!
Sorry but what do you mean?:oops:


I was thinking of getting the LSL clip ons, but I won't be able to fit my shiny new toonyank bar ends! So maybe the TL's are a better option. Did you definitely not have any clearance issues around the clocks and tank?

[phil24_7]

The GSXR clip-ons use a locator lug, a bit that sticks out and goes through the bottom of the top yoke whereas the TLS uses a bolt so the clip-on just has a hole in it.

3 options you can take with this:

1. Get a thread put through the clip-on hole so you can put a bolt in it.
2. Get a thread put in the top yoke so you can put a bolt through the clip-on.
3. Do neither and just leave it. It should be gripped tightly enough not to not move even under heavy braking.

I'm gonna be doing 1 or 2 as I want the piece of mind it gives.

The clip-ons do not foul on anything at the mo but I'm not sure how far they'll have to move when I bolt them to the top yoke so I'll have to wait and see.

[phil24_7]

I'd get the LSL high rise clip-ons if I could afford them cuz they look gorgeous and are a no compromise sollution.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

The GSXR clip-ons use a locator lug, a bit that sticks out and goes through the bottom of the top yoke whereas the TLS uses a bolt so the clip-on just has a hole in it.

3 options you can take with this:

1. Get a thread put through the clip-on hole so you can put a bolt in it.
2. Get a thread put in the top yoke so you can put a bolt through the clip-on.
3. Do neither and just leave it. It should be gripped tightly enough not to not move even under heavy braking.

I'm gonna be doing 1 or 2 as I want the piece of mind it gives.

The clip-ons do not foul on anything at the mo but I'm not sure how far they'll have to move when I bolt them to the top yoke so I'll have to wait and see.

I've asked about this before as I looked at getting race clipons for a while, which have no locating lugs/bolts at all. Apparently locating lugs/bolts are just that, for locating. Once the clipon is tightened up they no longer serve any purpose - they do nothing to stop the bar rotating on the fork not under braking, and not even in a crash.

So, it would seem that unless you really want to make sure the bars are located precisely (which can be done by other means anyway), go with option 3 and save yourself the hassle.

[yorkie_chris]

3. Do neither and just leave it. It should be gripped tightly enough not to not move even under heavy braking.

Just for the hell of it, try and move a clipon round the fork leg with the bolts at normal torque.

If you're putting that much force onto the bars under braking then I think you need to look at your riding style :p

IMO don't worry about the locator tabs at all

[phil24_7]

I know, it would just be for the "oh ****" emergency braking scenario. In that situation I wouldn't be very pleased if the clip-on spun around the fork! It may not even happen under these circumstances but I'd rather be safe than splatted on the road!! (I don't look good in red!)

[phil24_7]

I've asked about this before as I looked at getting race clipons for a while, which have no locating lugs/bolts at all. Apparently locating lugs/bolts are just that, for locating. Once the clipon is tightened up they no longer serve any purpose - they do nothing to stop the bar rotating on the fork not under braking, and not even in a crash.

So, it would seem that unless you really want to make sure the bars are located precisely (which can be done by other means anyway), go with option 3 and save yourself the hassle.

If I really wanted to save myself the hassle I'd have stayed with the sv forks!:D

[northwind]

I was thinking of getting the LSL clip ons, but I won't be able to fit my shiny new toonyank bar ends!

Yeah you will, they're hollow tubes so you can fit pretty much anything with a little effort. You might need to make your own rubber insert or machine down a normal one (lacking a lathe at the time, I turned mine to size using a drill, a bolt and a stanley knife).

What's a wee bit harder is the brake reservoir, mine's still a bit of a bodge, just used a wee bit of plastic, another bolt/rubber plug doobrie in the bar, and a cable tie. But I can always claim it's for weight reduction :mrgreen: If I ever actually learn how to use the milling machine I'll make a wee bracket but it's not very high priority.

[DarrenSV650S]

If I didn't fit bar ends, would there be a noticeable difference in the steering, because the extra weight wasn't there?

[yorkie_chris]

AFAIK bar ends are mostly to dampen vibration

[Lozzo]

I know, it would just be for the "oh ****" emergency braking scenario. In that situation I wouldn't be very pleased if the clip-on spun around the fork! It may not even happen under these circumstances but I'd rather be safe than splatted on the road!! (I don't look good in red!)

You're worrying about nothing...it won't happen. They are designed for race use, and I can assure you that the average racer probably brakes harder 6 or 7 times every race than you ever will on the road, and his clip-ons don't budge.

[northwind]

If I didn't fit bar ends, would there be a noticeable difference in the steering, because the extra weight wasn't there?

Nah, or at least I've never found any, the difference in weight is negligible in the scale of a 20 kilo front end. As Yorkiechris says they're to mask vibration, but tbh I've never had any vibe problems, I've had allsorts of barends from big heavy steel OEM to DHM delrin ones that weigh about 15 grams, never noticed any difference at all. But your mileage may vary of course. Still, bar ends are good to have as they protect your grips and bar tubes in a crash, and widening the bars helps to protect the levers too.

As far as running without the locating pin/bolt, the only time I can see it being an issue is if the bolt comes loose... Braking, never going to be an issue. Even in a crash my LSLs have barely moved round the fork.

[phil24_7]

Fine then, guess I'll not bother with the mounting bolts unless I find myself at a loose end for an afternoon!

[svdemon]

Does anyone have a list of all the parts necessary to put gsxr upside down forks on a pointy?

I'd love to do this in the summer, would be good to know what to get and build up all of the parts so i can just drop it in one day.

[yorkie_chris]

Why summer? Do it now when bits are cheaper.

Phil's the man to ask as he's just fitted one to his.

[phil24_7]

K3/4 GSX-r 600 front end is a straight swap and a piece of urine, you just need TL1000S clip-ons and eva so slightly longer brake lines than the 600 (or possible fit the sv lines) and your there!

There is a good write up with all the info, I'll see if I can find it.

[phil24_7]

http://gregmli.blogspot.com/search/label/DIY

That's the one!

[svdemon]

Does that involve different head bearings? I'm gagging for it if its that simple!

[phil24_7]

Head bearings for the pointy sv and gsxr are the same and yes, it is that easy. Source a complete K4/5 gixer 6 front end and you only need to fiddle with a few things!

[ThEGr33k]

Ive been toying with this conversion for a while (check sig)... think im just going to get an Aprilia SL1000 Falco instead :rolleyes:

Looking good phil! :smt045

[Flamin_Squirrel]

GSX-R1000 K3/4 Front end will fit straight on too, clipons as well.

[phil24_7]

The GSXR 600 clip-ons fit too, I just wanted to raise them back to where the SV's clip-ons used to be.

[yorkie_chris]

TLS clipons maybe?

[Lozzo]

K3/4 GSX-r 600 front end is a straight swap and a piece of urine, you just need TL1000S clip-ons and eva so slightly longer brake lines than the 600 (or possible fit the sv lines) and your there!

There is a good write up with all the info, I'll see if I can find it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the K4 600 the first to get a USD front end, and the same front was used on the 600 K5? I'm sure the K3 had RWU forks.

IIRC the 600 and 750 were a year behind the 1000 when it came to things like this.

[yorkie_chris]

I think K1-K3 has the RWU forks too, was going to get some untill I saw my SRAD ones at such right money.

[phil24_7]

Whoop's Typo. Yeah shouldv'e said K4/K5. Sorry!

It's the TL clip ons I'm using Chris but the gixer one's fit, they're just lower and don't give a massive amount of room around the fairing, also hear the master cylinder can foul the fairing if using the GSX-R radial jobbie.

[phil24_7]

Well, it's been a long time coming but today I managed to get time to bleed the brakes.

Used the syringe kit off eBay and kinda guessed my way around doing it!

First off I pushed fluid up through the lines until no more bubbles came out the top, then I did the tried and tested pump, hold, crack open bleed nipple, tighten again then release. Then repeated for side 2. It was still a little spongy so I used the syringe to suck air outta the calliper bleed nipple then the pump and hold technique again.

I finally got a brake that is reasonable though it still needs a bit more bite I think so it's new pads and braided lines soon as well as a GSXR radial or a Brembo YZF master cylinder!

Took it out for the first time in months and after all the mods (GSX-R front end, PCIII, snorkel removal) it felt so responsive, smooth and eager. Even managed to pop the tiniest of wheelies in second on the throttle. It had me smiling for ages!

Just need some new rubbers now and to put the black rear wheel on. Roll on next Saturday.

[DarrenSV650S]

Good stuff Phil:cool:

[Lozzo]

Nice one Phil, did you sort the speedo in the end?