New Super Prisons

[gettin2dizzy]

a £2.7 billion program to build 3 super prisons holding 2500 prisoners each.

£360 000 for each prisoner...
Probably just worth giving them the cash and telling them not to cause trouble!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7128181.stm

[sarah]

a £2.7 billion program to build 3 super prisons holding 2500 prisoners each.

£360 000 for each prisoner...
Probably just worth giving them the cash and telling them not to cause trouble!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7128181.stm

but presumably more than 2500 people will stay in each of the prisons during the life of the prisons

[gettin2dizzy]

I wonder what the reoffending figures are though...

2.7 billion is such a huge amount of money!

[G]

Short term its £360000 per prisoner. Long term after 20+ years it a worthy investment in my opinion.

[gettin2dizzy]

There will be massive running costs with it though. Prisons are not a solution, they've never been proven to work.

[G]

I wonder what the reoffending figures are though...

2.7 billion is such a huge amount of money!

Gordons £0.02p a litre on fuel duty created more than double that amount of money.

[gettin2dizzy]

Revenue of fuel duty and road tax was somewhere in the region of £40 billion so I don't think that can be right. Maybe we need more prisons; I'd rather have less offenders.

[sarah]

Revenue of fuel duty and road tax was somewhere in the region of £40 billion so I don't think that can be right. Maybe we need more prisons; I'd rather have less offenders.

so, the answer must be to get rid of the offenders :D

[Daimo]

Hmm, sorting out the legal system first would be better??????

[gettin2dizzy]

How long until speeders are put away? ;)

[G]

152mph in the porsche guy got 1 and abit years didnt they?

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Hmm, sorting out the legal system first would be better??????

Other than the odd sensationalised story in the Daily Mail, what's wrong with it?

As for the thread topic, I find it laughable a government that doesn't believe in prison is having to build more of them because all their other crap ideas havn't worked.

[Pedrosa]

Other than the odd sensationalised story in the Daily Mail, what's wrong with it?

As for the thread topic, I find it laughable a government that doesn't believe in prison is having to build more of them because all their other crap ideas havn't worked.

So all present prison inmates are as a direct result of the present government are they FS?:rolleyes:

I could be wrong but I do guess that since you became politically aware,there has perhaps only been a Labour government in power. Even if not correct it will be very interesting to learn whether your "Rain Man" type dialogue alters any, when you finally realise that there is no quick fix no matter what administaration is in power.;)

[plowsie]

**** it, give em the equipment, build their own frickin prison, they'll soon build it if the ent got nowhere to sleep.

[hovis]

a £2.7 billion program to build 3 super prisons holding 2500 prisoners each.

£360 000 for each prisoner...
Probably just worth giving them the cash and telling them not to cause trouble!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7128181.stm

flat screen TVs & Xbox playstations are not cheap

[Flamin_Squirrel]

So all present prison inmates are as a direct result of the present government are they FS?:rolleyes:

I could be wrong but I do guess that since you became politically aware,there has perhaps only been a Labour government in power. Even if not correct it will be very interesting to learn whether your "Rain Man" type dialogue alters any, when you finally realise that there is no quick fix no matter what administaration is in power.;)

I'm well aware that there are no quick fixes, and that any other party is unlikely to be much better. But my point is that Labour in particular are not keen on locking people up as a means of curbing crime. That their wishy washy initiatives have failed so badly that eventually they've had to give up and resort to locking people up anyway was the point I was attempting to make.

[Pedrosa]

FS...then the Labour party I suggest are in truth then not too far from your own thinking on the subject? In that let's not focus on the problem,but rather on the cause of the problem? However once again, implementing worth while measures to attempt such a thing does not leave me full of hope tbh.:rolleyes:

[northwind]

a £2.7 billion program to build 3 super prisons holding 2500 prisoners each.

£360 000 for each prisoner...


I don't think they're disposable jails :D

There will be massive running costs with it though. Prisons are not a solution, they've never been proven to work.

I saw a stat on the news, they stated that the prison population's doubled since 1993. But what's odd is that in the same time the crime rate per 100000 has actually fallen.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/RecordedCrimePer100k1950-2004_files/RecordedCrimePer100k1950-_13676_image001.gif

So what we're actually seeing is a massive increase in the number of people in jail but no corresponding increase in crime to cause it.

[gettin2dizzy]

I don't think they're disposable jails :D



I saw a stat on the news, they stated that the prison population's doubled since 1993. But what's odd is that in the same time the crime rate per 100000 has actually fallen.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/RecordedCrimePer100k1950-2004_files/RecordedCrimePer100k1950-_13676_image001.gif

So what we're actually seeing is a massive increase in the number of people in jail but no corresponding increase in crime to cause it.
Crime statistics, perhaps the most unreliable thing on the planet! :) I'd be careful how you interpret them

[northwind]

Goes without saying that, you've got the old figures muddled by bad reportage and the new ones muddled by, well, bullet dodging. But those numbers I used are from Civitas, they're a fairly right-wing group so if the numbers are biased it'd usually be in the other direction (for instance, they put the fall in crime down to the 40000 extra people in prison, because they're pro-prison. But by their own numbers that would mean every single one of those people inside would have committed an average of 7.5 reported crimes per year, which isn't very plausible.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

FS...then the Labour party I suggest are in truth then not too far from your own thinking on the subject? In that let's not focus on the problem,but rather on the cause of the problem? However once again, implementing worth while measures to attempt such a thing does not leave me full of hope tbh.:rolleyes:

Well yes, up to the point where the Labour party don't focus on the problem rather than the cause, though.