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gettin2dizzy
06-12-07, 11:39 AM
Your daily uncalled for pick of the news from me.... ;)
The news article :
Jeremy Clarkson was questioned by police after a confrontation with youths in Milton Keynes threatened to turn violent.
The Top Gear presenter – who has previously brawled in public with Piers Morgan, the former editor of The Mirror – owned up to the incident in his column in The Sunday Times, but did not mention that the police were called.
Officers examined CCTV footage of the quarrel, in which Clarkson seized a boy by the scruff of the neck and lifted him off the ground.
The incident, at the Xscape sports complex on November 23, began when the television presenter stepped outside for a cigarette and was confronted by a gang of teenagers. “I wasn’t even remotely bothered when the swarm of children first approached,” he wrote. “I figured they were fans of Top Gear and wanted to know about Richard Hammond’s head. But no, what they wanted to know, most of all, was if I had any security.”
He attempted to retreat but said that he was pursued. “Figuring that attack was probably the best form of defence, I grabbed the ringleader by his hoody, lifted him off the ground and explained, firmly, that it’d be best if he went back to his tenement.”
The children began filming the altercation on their mobile phones but the footage does not appear to have been uploaded on to the internet.
Clarkson had visited the complex, which houses an indoor snow slope, to celebrate his daughter’s birthday. He said that he put the boy down because he feared that he would be portrayed as a bully.
“Instead of worrying about being stabbed, I was actually thinking, ‘Jesus, I’m going to get done for assault if I’m not careful.’ ” Police officers determined that a 14-year-old girl who rang them to report the incident was part of a gang that staff at the complex had reprimanded earlier. A Thames Valley police spokesman said: “Mobile phone images were viewed, as well as CCTV footage, and it became apparent that, if any offence had occurred, it was the man who was the victim.”
Officers questioned Clarkson, of Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire, but he declined to make a complaint. The police spokesman added: “There is no evidence that a crime took place and therefore there will be no further police action.”
Clarkson, who was not available for comment yesterday, has described Milton Keynes as a “happy-slapping town centre”.
And Clarksons views about the event
Almost every day a politician comes onto the news and tells us all that Britain’s town centres are being overrun by teenage gangs who drink vast quantities of cider and then run about all night stabbing passers-by. While the event is videoed on mobile phones for the edification of YouTube viewers.
It all sounds frightful, but frankly they could be talking about events on the moons of Jupiter because, happily, I live in Chipping Norton, where a lost kitten is front page news. Of course there are teenagers here, and some of them have hoodies, but mostly they are called Araminta and Harry, and I’ve never once got the feeling they want to plunge a kitchen knife into my heart.
It’s the same story in Notting Hill, where I spend the working week. While dining in restaurants such as E & O, I have no real sense that outside the window, gangs of 14-year-olds are lurking in the shadows, eager to punch me in the face for a moment’s glory on the internet.
Last week, however, I had to go to Milton Keynes. It was my youngest daughter’s birthday and she wanted to spend the afternoon at the town’s snow dome. Directions were sent, and then more, with even greater detail about how this indoor Alp might be found. But none of this was really necessary, because you just head for the largest building ever created by man.
It’s a brilliant place, all full of snow and vending machines offering energy drinks. But sadly, because of Mr Blair’s smoking ban, you have to go outside for a cigarette, which puts you slap-bang in one of the happy-slapping town centres the politicians keep talking about.
I wasn’t even remotely bothered when the swarm of children first approached. I figured they were fans of Top Gear and wanted to know about Richard Hammond’s head. But no. What they wanted to know most of all was if I had any security.
I asked them politely to leave me alone. I walked away. I even walked away a bit more. But they kept coming. And so, figuring that attack was probably the best form of defence, I grabbed the ringleader by his hoodie, lifted him off the ground and explained, firmly, that it’d be best if he went back to his tenement.
He declined. They all did. In fact they all reached for their mobile phones and began to take pictures of the altercation. And that put me in a tricky spot . . .
I have reached the age where I am no longer able to tell how old a child is. The boy I was holding could have been 18. Or he could have been eight. And if he did turn out to be eight, I figured the photographs could look a bit like bullying.
So, weirdly, I was standing there holding this boy by the scruff of his neck, and instead of worrying about being stabbed I was actually thinking: “Jesus, I’m going to get done for assault if I’m not careful.”
I therefore put him down, and in a flurry of swearing and hand gestures involving various fingers he was gone. Leaving the entire nation with a very serious problem.
It’s this. Plainly this boy’s parents are useless, allowing him to be out and about on the streets, harassing passers-by at will. Think about it. Every single time one of these children is found stabbed or shot, his mum and stepdad always tell the papers he was a “good lad”. And that he “didn’t deserve to die”.
And nobody ever says: “Well, if he was such a frigging angel, what was he doing on a derelict building site at four in the morning, you halfwits?” He didn’t deserve to die, for sure, but you do, for having the parenting skills of a Welsh dresser.
There’s an equally big problem at school. Children, as far as I can see, are at liberty to do just about anything to one another at school because there is absolutely nothing the teacher can do. Not without being hauled out of the classroom by some frizzy-haired human rights lawyer, sacked and sent to prison.
The police? Oh come on. They are far too busy filling in health and safety forms and processing speeding tickets to be bothered with every single gang of teenage ruffians. Which means that every single gang of teenage ruffians is completely free to go out and do whatever it pleases.
And we – the normal people who see town centres as somewhere to go to buy takeaway food or organise a loan for a new house – can’t do anything either because a) the politicians keep telling us all these kids are tooled up like special forces hitmen, and b) if we stand up for ourselves we will spend the next 40 years in the Scrubs fighting off the unwelcome advances of Pinkski, the Albanian nonce.
Happily I think I have a solution. Nothing can be done about the parents because they are too thick. It’d be like trying to train a hedgehog to smoke a pipe. We can’t rely on the police either – not without unpicking every single thing done by new Labour in the past 10 years.
And, I’m sorry, but even if the law is changed so that adults are allowed to defend themselves, you’d think twice about poking a boy in the eye or slamming his head in a car door if you thought his friends had machetes down their trouser legs.
The only place where this issue can be tackled, then, is at school. So you fit airport-style metal detectors at the doors to ensure no pupil is packing heat, you put all the troublemakers in one class and you give the teacher in charge immunity from criminal charges. And a sub-machinegun.
G2D, please can you keep your posts to a certain lenth. (or do a little sunnery thing at the end)........ i cant be @rsed to read all that
thanx:kiss:
gettin2dizzy
06-12-07, 11:52 AM
You spend enough time on here already ;)
caz650s
06-12-07, 11:54 AM
Shame Clarkson didn't drag the scroat around the back of the building away from any cameras and given him a good smack !!!
There I've said it ! Sorry if it is not politicaly correct .
they probaly have settees in the front driveway.....nail some sense into them etc
I agree with caz, good old clarkson :) bet the lad was quite suprised!
What do you think I might say about all this?;)
gettin2dizzy
06-12-07, 12:03 PM
What do you think I might say about all this?;)
that it wasn't the childrens fault and that clarksons unruly face intimidated them to a point that violence was their only option! And that you'll happily take on any case that involves removing wedges of cash from clarkson in aid of helping these children whos problems are so deeply founded in their upbringing ;)
Am I close?
that it wasn't the childrens fault and that clarksons unruly face intimidated them to a point that violence was their only option! And that you'll happily take on any case that involves removing wedges of cash from clarkson in aid of helping these children whos problems are so deeply founded in their upbringing ;)
Am I close?
Mixed views TBH. Clarkson could so easily have walked away. But - why should he? Just because he's well-known doesn't mean to say that he can't have his privacy and space, just like the rest of us. Hassle from kids is simply irritating and unwelcome.
good on him he speak a lot of commone sence in his report as well.
Good ol clarkson.
He done well, although i'd have been more incline to slap the orrible little scroat. Watch his "hardness" fast dissapear as he runs home to his mum and dad crying claiming he'd been attacked.....
i want the Army to be called onto the streets just so i can beat the living sh*t into these lillte ****'s
Army stop or ill 'bang'' Opps your dead never mind!!
Man was Clarkson ever right - the whole thing describes to a tea the world today and what is wrong with it and almost crosses over to Ed's other thread, just not to the degree.
Something needs to be done and quickly - Clarkson for Prime Minister!!!!!
Pedro68
06-12-07, 12:24 PM
Clarkson for PM! :D
Something is terribly wrong with society these days if yobs have the upper hand ...
They attack people because they have no fear, no respect and no morals.
They expect to win because "they grew up on a hard-knock estate" ...
If they win, they gain notoriety on the internet amongst their peers (like-minded idiotic thugs) and they believe they have gained "respect" ...
If they lose, they don't care ... they'll just sue the ass of the person who fought back and won the battle (but sadly not the war!).
I don't know what the answer is ... but good on Clarkson for having the balls to offer at least ONE idea ... even if it will never happen (not in my lifetime anyway).
Neio79 - Perfect - Rough justice......
If you are that frightened of the punishment don't do the crime!!! They'd soon learn, bring back pre-80's values.
Spanner Man
06-12-07, 12:26 PM
Morning all.
Much as I agree that these 'ere teenage Thargoids need a good pasting, this issue has got me thinking that they might have got a public service medal if they had knifed him! & in doing so they'd have got rid of one of the most irritating, opinionated, talentless TO55ERS ever to grace our screens.
Cheers.
Pedrosa
06-12-07, 12:29 PM
Jeremy has rather dissapointed me here. Attacking youngsters due to the attention they gave him. Worse than many other questionable celebs deal out to paparazzi snappers. I am perplexed:rolleyes:
Pedro68
06-12-07, 12:30 PM
Neio79 - Perfect - Rough justice......
If you are that frightened of the punishment don't do the crime!!! They'd soon learn, bring back pre-80's values.
Yup, and all those that spout "human rights" ...
If you want your human rights to be respected then the least you can do is have some respect for the human rights of your fellow man (woman or child).
Sorry but if you can't respect someone else's human rights then you don't deserve to have any (or very few) respected in return.
Spanner Man - Apart from the anti-biking stuff they are a breath of fresh-air in a society that is too frightened of the PC brigade. They aren't REALLY offending anyone but they do push the boudries of political correctness which IMHO need pushing back a bit.
Yup, and all those that spout "human rights" ...
If you want your human rights to be respected then the least you can do is have some respect for the human rights of your fellow man (woman or child).
Sorry but if you can't respect someone else's human rights then you don't deserve to have any (or very few) respected in return.
I think this statement is the best I have seen/heard in ages!!!!:winner:
I agree whole heartedly - If you take someone elses rights away (i.e. Kill someone) why the f*** should you be entitled to any?
NO WAY MAN!
I've started to reach that age where I don't care any more... so far I have shouted at a nipper for ridding his mini moto in the street. And almost run over another nipper who insisted it sitting on his push bike in the middle of the road while yapping to his mates. He moved out of my way, but the other car before me had to swerve around him. Feck them all, I'll happy slap Mummy's so called little angel.
I'm sure there are more incidents I've come across but I don't think I'll mention them all, so rise up people and get back your town centers.
gettin2dizzy
06-12-07, 01:02 PM
Clarksons said when he hit Piers Morgan he's not aggresive; he hadn't actually ever punched someone until he hit him! I think he acted right in this situation and wonder how different the media would have been if it was a normal bloke on the street.
And almost run over another nipper who insisted it sitting on his push bike in the middle of the road while yapping to his mates. He moved out of my way, but the other car before me had to swerve around him..
done something similar in Bath once, driving round at night and this little scroat though it was funny to wheely at on coming cars as they swerved, that was untill i cam along!! I just sped up and aimed at him, he shat himself and then tried to move out the way and fell off!!
If he had rode into me i would have just got out and given a litle 'clip' around the ear and sent him on his way :rolleyes:
Spanner Man - Apart from the anti-biking stuff they are a breath of fresh-air in a society that is too frightened of the PC brigade. They aren't REALLY offending anyone but they do push the boudries of political correctness which IMHO need pushing back a bit.
Political correctness sucks. They should push it even further.
And spanner man, nothing wrong with being opinionated. Are we not all the same on here right now? Are you not opinionated by sharing your opinion on clarkson?
Sometimes, we need to look at ourselves and our mistakes.... Something all of these rude boys/girls parents should be doing.
Sorry, im with him on this one, its almost like most of the UK is stupid. You only need to walk around at the weekend to see this.
www.somesvownersagainstpikeychavscumunite.org (http://www.somesvownersagainstpikeychavscumunite.org)
Pedro68
06-12-07, 01:08 PM
www.somesvownersagainstpikeychavscumunite.org (http://www.somesvownersagainstpikeychavscumunite.org)
The link is broken ... I bet the chavs did it ... they threw bricks at it whilst filming it on their mobiles :rolleyes:
If you work in an office the political correctness is even worse than in normal life - if find myself having to really scrutanise what I say before I blurt it out, just in case something I say is taken wrong or out of context. It is totally bonkers.....
When I did my DAS I took a week off and spent the week in the most un-PC company I have ever been in and it felt like a holiday - these guys were super-UN PC and although I didn't agree with everything they were saying, the fact that they felt free to say it made me smile.
The link is broken ... I bet the chavs did it ... they threw bricks at it whilst filming it on their mobiles :rolleyes:
:smt046
I don't believe it my link has been happy slapped!!!! WTF!
Fizzy Fish
06-12-07, 01:13 PM
Yup, and all those that spout "human rights" ...
If you want your human rights to be respected then the least you can do is have some respect for the human rights of your fellow man (woman or child).
Sorry but if you can't respect someone else's human rights then you don't deserve to have any (or very few) respected in return.
exactly. the scales have been tipped too far away from the victim and in favour of the perpetrator.
and until we give back some power & support to authority figures (e.g. teachers, police, courts) it will just continue to get worse...
Yup, and all those that spout "human rights" ...
If you want your human rights to be respected then the least you can do is have some respect for the human rights of your fellow man (woman or child).
Sorry but if you can't respect someone else's human rights then you don't deserve to have any (or very few) respected in return.
:thumbsup: Agree 100%.
colinsv25
06-12-07, 01:15 PM
fair play clarkson should ave give him a good smack
exactly. the scales have been tipped too far away from the victim and in favour of the perpetrator.
and until we give back some power & support to authority figures (e.g. teachers, police, courts) it will just continue to get worse...
+1
gettin2dizzy
06-12-07, 01:18 PM
'Political Correctness' - should this not be limited to the political arena then? Other wise it would be 'correctness' ...
Pedro68
06-12-07, 01:21 PM
'Political Correctness' - should this not be limited to the political arena then? Other wise it would be 'correctness' ...
... and where does "company politics" fit into it? I didn't vote for my manager, so how'd he get the job?? :-P
JessicaRabbit
06-12-07, 01:22 PM
Scooter boys seem to take the complete wee-wee down here. The other week I had one lad ride sooooo close to the ass of my car at 40mph, that I couldn't even see his headlight. So I sped up to put some room between us. He sped up. So I SLAMMED my brakes on, and so did he. THEN he starts shouting and swearing at me... at which point I totally lost the plot. Slammed the brakes on in the middle of the road, got outta the car (I think I must've had a face on me like a bulldog licking wee off a nettle) and I bodily SHOVED scooter chav on his scooter backwards until he was about 20 yards away from my car. I was bellowing my own ladylike language into his face the whole time. I've never, ever seen a pair of eyes completely fill a visor before. He was sooooo shocked. I also bollocked him (in front of his 2 mates) for not wearing gloves, or fastening his lid strap. I called him several other names, he actually apologised when I said I rode a ducati but his riding SCARED me. I then stropped back to the car and drove home. Scooter boy et entourage followed at a very sedate pace.
It was only when I'd gotten back into the car, that my passenger (a man!) said to me, 'they coulda had knives you stupid cow!'. But it honestly didn't cross my mind.
I think kids need discipline. Best form of discipline IMHO is humiliation in front of their peers. Especially if morally and ethically you're on the higher ground to begin with. I bet it took a while for him to live-down the sight of the 4' 11", mid 30's Mum, pushing him, a 6' teen on his ped, backwards down the street.
This isn't a line i thought i'd ever say or write.
JESSICA RABBIT FOR PM :lol:
colinsv25
06-12-07, 01:29 PM
fair play jessica rabbit, they're like it here aswell (wednesbury) most them just ride around with a lid on and a t-shirt and tracksuit bottoms and they sit on ur boot lid i just slow right down and dont let them past they soon get bored
Pedro68
06-12-07, 01:30 PM
Scooter boys seem to take the complete wee-wee down here. The other week I had one lad ride sooooo close to the ass of my car at 40mph, that I couldn't even see his headlight. So I sped up to put some room between us. He sped up. So I SLAMMED my brakes on, and so did he. THEN he starts shouting and swearing at me... at which point I totally lost the plot. Slammed the brakes on in the middle of the road, got outta the car (I think I must've had a face on me like a bulldog licking wee off a nettle) and I bodily SHOVED scooter chav on his scooter backwards until he was about 20 yards away from my car. I was bellowing my own ladylike language into his face the whole time. I've never, ever seen a pair of eyes completely fill a visor before. He was sooooo shocked. I also bollocked him (in front of his 2 mates) for not wearing gloves, or fastening his lid strap. I called him several other names, he actually apologised when I said I rode a ducati but his riding SCARED me. I then stropped back to the car and drove home. Scooter boy et entourage followed at a very sedate pace.
It was only when I'd gotten back into the car, that my passenger (a man!) said to me, 'they coulda had knives you stupid cow!'. But it honestly didn't cross my mind.
I think kids need discipline. Best form of discipline IMHO is humiliation in front of their peers. Especially if morally and ethically you're on the higher ground to begin with. I bet it took a while for him to live-down the sight of the 4' 11", mid 30's Mum, pushing him, a 6' teen on his ped, backwards down the street.
Haha! Well done to you!
Now ... did you (or your passenger) film it? (on a mobile phone)?
If you did then I'd like to start a new craze ... chav-slapping :D
Seriously though your passenger had a point ... you DO have to be careful out there.
The scooter-riding brigade growing in strength they are young Rabbit ... wary must we be ...
They seem to think that a hoodie will suffice for head protection ... but then considering what most of them have in their heads (sawdust) they might be right ... however I'm sure they or their parents wouldn't want that theory tested.
gettin2dizzy
06-12-07, 01:33 PM
Chav-slapping
...lets use that term enough that a craze starts! All it will take is someone in the media to make it public and people will take it on :)
Fizzy Fish
06-12-07, 01:33 PM
And almost run over another nipper who insisted it sitting on his push bike in the middle of the road while yapping to his mates. He moved out of my way, but the other car before me had to swerve around him.
there were some kids holding up traffic in a side road by our house the other day - wouldn't move out the way to let the cars through, and were jeering, etc. They've done it before as well, sometimes pretending to jump out in front of cars, except this time they got etienne and he wasn't best pleased about being held up
On the way back they were in the road again - this time gathered around an ambulance. yes one of the little darlings had been knocked down, not hurt bad but hopefully enough to knock some sense into him...
with the parent of aformentioned darling protesting their child's innocence, it was really nice to be able to stop and help the hapless driver out by filling the Police in on how they'd been behaving earlier on
colinsv25
06-12-07, 01:34 PM
sounds like a good idea there's plenty of chavs in wednesbury
Fizzy Fish
06-12-07, 01:35 PM
Best form of discipline IMHO is humiliation in front of their peers. Especially if morally and ethically you're on the higher ground to begin with. I bet it took a while for him to live-down the sight of the 4' 11", mid 30's Mum, pushing him, a 6' teen on his ped, backwards down the street.
Absolutely! oh and nice going btw!! :lol:
Anyone who has a go back should give themselves a pat on the back - it is the right thing to do. However you do have to be careful......
JessicaRabbit
06-12-07, 01:42 PM
This isn't a line i thought i'd ever say or write.
JESSICA RABBIT FOR PM :lol:
Ha ha ha... Which day shall we ban car drivers and have as a 'motorbike only' day? lol.
fair play jessica rabbit, they're like it here aswell (wednesbury) most them just ride around with a lid on and a t-shirt and tracksuit bottoms and they sit on ur boot lid i just slow right down and dont let them past they soon get bored
I normally do that, but this lad with his constant weaving, revving and stuff (WTF is it with pedchavs having to hold their reebok-clad foot out as they go round a cul-de-sac corner?!! Do they HONESTLY think it makes them look speedway?) it just got the better of me on a very bad day.
Haha! Well done to you!
Now ... did you (or your passenger) film it? (on a mobile phone)?
If you did then I'd like to start a new craze ... chav-slapping :D
Seriously though your passenger had a point ... you DO have to be careful out there.
The scooter-riding brigade growing in strength they are young Rabbit ... wary must we be ...
They seem to think that a hoodie will suffice for head protection ... but then considering what most of them have in their heads (sawdust) they might be right ... however I'm sure they or their parents wouldn't want that theory tested.
Lol... :D No, I didn't film it!! I know what you mean about the protective gear though. Most of the time when you see these bunches of pedchavs, they're shivering their inverted moobs off coz they're only wearing trackie bottoms and trainers, and a t-shirt or hoodie at best. Now, unless Kappa has started kevlar-lining their 'leisure' wear, where's the protection??!!
If pedchav was MY son, I'd make sure he had at the very least some decent alpine star trainer-boots, and if he insisted on wearing a hoodie and trackies I'd insist on him wearing knox armour under it. I would also make sure he had gloves and fastened his lid. Where are the parents responsibilities these days? :(
colinsv25
06-12-07, 01:42 PM
yes i would be carefull were i live they do carry weapons around here.
think they would ave a shock though if i went out with a 1 wood golf club:mrgreen:
colinsv25
06-12-07, 01:46 PM
Lol... :D No, I didn't film it!! I know what you mean about the protective gear though. Most of the time when you see these bunches of pedchavs, they're shivering their inverted moobs off coz they're only wearing trackie bottoms and trainers, and a t-shirt or hoodie at best. Now, unless Kappa has started kevlar-lining their 'leisure' wear, where's the protection??!!
If pedchav was MY son, I'd make sure he had at the very least some decent alpine star trainer-boots, and if he insisted on wearing a hoodie and trackies I'd insist on him wearing knox armour under it. I would also make sure he had gloves and fastened his lid. Where are the parents responsibilities these days? :([/quote]
its either the parents dont know how they ride them or they just dont care i think
northwind
06-12-07, 01:53 PM
Clarksons said when he hit Piers Morgan he's not aggresive; he hadn't actually ever punched someone until he hit him! I think he acted right in this situation and wonder how different the media would have been if it was a normal bloke on the street.
I met Piers Morgan once, and almost punched him too, there's a theme there. But I think chances are here that the kids were just disgruntled bikers. Obviously stolen bikes, but bikers nonetheless.
Thing is... This whole thread is about the breakdown of society etc etc, but the point is he stood up to a gang of kids, used reasonable force, and after accustions were made the police quite rightly threw it out. Isn't that how it's supposed to work? Sounds like there wasn't enough evidence to bring any action against the kids, probably because of the lack of sound, though it'd be nice if they turned around and did the kid who phoned it in for wasting police time, at least.
Ed - what would you professional mstance be on this?
Warthog
06-12-07, 02:59 PM
Well done to Clarkson for standing up to the scrotes!
Clarkson has a very special way with English language, which, I have to confess, whole heartedly admire!! So - I think the naughty children should be made to clean up the smoking area - that'll tell 'em!!:cool:
Spanner Man
06-12-07, 03:14 PM
Spanner Man - Apart from the anti-biking stuff they are a breath of fresh-air in a society that is too frightened of the PC brigade. They aren't REALLY offending anyone but they do push the boudries of political correctness which IMHO need pushing back a bit.
Personally I can't stand the bloke, like I can't stand people who can't recognise humour when they see it! (did I forget a smilie again).:D
Personally I can't stand the bloke, like I can't stand people who can't recognise humour when they see it! (did I forget a smilie again).:D
Spanner Man - Apologies, I was just getting started on a 'youth of today' rant and humour seems to fly out of the window in such moments!!!!
MiniMatt
06-12-07, 03:47 PM
Oh for god's sake. Can we have a middle ground somewhere please? Someplace where people agree that little scrotes have no right to harass/stab/maul members of the public, but yet that the solution to these problems isn't to shoot them all or herd them all into concentration camps and gas chambers?
I found myself in the curious position of agreeing with Clarkson's stance, and more suprisingly with Neio's first page post. Then I read his second page post and normality was restored :D
Why does everything turn into a mob of idiots claiming everything and anything is "political correctness gone mad"? "Political Correctness" is not a dirty word people. Neither is "Feminism" or "Human Rights". Without these concepts the poor, the female and the non-white would still be second class citizens, and a fair trial would be replaced by mob rule. Stop blaming all society's failings on the efforts of those who have actually made society a fairer and better place for you. Do you not see the irony of on one hand praising the people who fought for our freedom in WW2, and on the other vilifying the people who have actually made society a fairer place? Why is it that the same people who champion the cause of violence against ill-bred little scrotes call those who shamefully use violence against the worse the BNP have to offer, a "terrorist"? (http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=1352452&postcount=33)
EDIT: Top marks to SpannerMan for bringing the word "Thargoids" into the debate, another youth mis-spent, huddled over a ZX Speccy blasting polygons eh?
I wasn't saying that political correctness in total is a bad thing - I just happen to believe it has gone far too far and that a clear balance needs to be struck so that the balance of power does not lean towards criminals and little thugs, who people are affraid to confront in case they might get in trouble themselves.
I think that we have gone too far and lost our values and we have also lost our respect for each other, especially the vast majority of youth as they are only too aware that there is nothing you, the police, teachers or anyone else can do, because of the do-gooders.
I also believe that you should be able to say what you feel without the possibility of being hauled over the coals for it if it is misconstued in anyway.
I am not advocating racism, sexism or any other extreme view, far beit and those are things that I too detest - however most reasonable people can see where to draw the line with what is acceptable and what is not. We do not need someone in government to tell us!!!!
I would imagine that most of the people who fought in the wars for our freedom and liberty would also agree that things have gone too far and that there is too little discipline and no where near enough respect, especially as they are doubtless on the end of a vast majority of thuggish behaviour etc.
They helped to make our country great and I am sure they would support a tougher line being taken.
Nick762
06-12-07, 04:45 PM
I remember hearing the late Bernie Grant MP in an interview being asked what he thought of political correctness. His reply was something to the effect that political correctness is attempting to do through legislation what used to be accomplished by good manners!
I didn't agree with him on many things but I think he was right on there.
MiniMatt
06-12-07, 04:55 PM
My late grandad, god rest his soul, had very good manners. He taught me a lot, he taught me that you always walk nearest the road whilst escorting a woman home, that you always open the door for a woman, and that the only good arab was a dead arab. I paid attention to some of his lessons and not the others :D "Political correctness" and intelligence ensured he only privately aired some of his life lessons, which we all politely ignored. His actions (as in, he was one of those who did fight for our freedom), his manners, and his good grace, we all copied and aspire too. We don't have a choice between good manners and modern thinking, we can take the best elements of the former and the latter.
Agreed - but the point is we had good role models who we respected and would let you know in no uncertain terms what they thought and the Police etc were to be feared (not sure that's the right word) and getting in trouble was something we all did, but dependant on the punishment we rarely did again.
We respected our elders and figures of authority and I think we all still do. The vast majority of youth that I come across do not share this ethos because they have no consequences for not doing so.
MiniMatt
06-12-07, 05:23 PM
Krhall, I don't disagree with your thinking, though I do belive it's flawed (sorry!). Do you have kids? I can guarantee that when/if your real or imagined kids grow up and hit 30-something, they too will think that their childhood was some golden age where everyone respected their elders and society and it was a much better place than the society of 2025 (or whatever) is.
Every generation looks back at their childhood with rose tinted spectacles and thinks it was some golden age where all it took was a stern look and a good telling off and you'd never get in trouble again. Every generation. And yet, society has come so far, despite every generation thinking it's worse than the last, we live in a much better place than the world of 50/100/200 years ago.
Pedro68
06-12-07, 08:21 PM
Matt, I see where you are coming from now ... yeah you're right in some respects ;-)
Also whilst I would agree "generally" that the world is a better place, there are certain things that aren't better ... IMHO ... manners ... courtesy ... social skills ... all sadly worse than they were just a few decades ago.
Yeah perhaps sometimes we are guilty of looking back at our youth with rose-tinted specs, but why not? It was a time that many of us didn't have mortgages, debt, jobs, responsibilities, tiny people other than ourselves to think about ... a time when all we cared about was "had we done our homework, and could we go out and play now" :) School days were the best days of our lives ... because we "generally" didn't have a care in the world ... but I still remember the fights between local gangs ... being bullied by older kids in the park ... being told off by a copper for "riding shopping trolleys up and down the shopping precinct" (I didn't do that again in a hurry - I had respect for the police then - still do to a large extent - altho Brunstrom is quickly eroding that, but that's a whole different thread).
Society has come a long way ... technologically, financially, socially (in some respects yes, in some no), ecologically (in some respects yes, in some no) ... there's good and bad in every generation ... and we are just picking out the bad in this generation ... I'm also certain that there will be many more "scrotes" who go on to take up very prominent careers that make a difference to the way us and future generations live our lives ... so it's not all doom & gloom ... but please ... at least let us crucify the chavs :D :-P
Thank you ;-)
Biker Biggles
06-12-07, 08:30 PM
Bring back the birch.[-o<
Last weeks gale blew mine down.
yorkie_chris
06-12-07, 09:13 PM
Mixed views TBH. Clarkson could so easily have walked away. But - why should he? Just because he's well-known doesn't mean to say that he can't have his privacy and space, just like the rest of us. Hassle from kids is simply irritating and unwelcome.
Make sure you're off camera and start removing teeth. Always worked for me.
I think I concur with most of what has been said - I do have kids and yes I possibly do look back with slightly tinted specs now.
However I am sure that we did do some bad things fights, breaking greenhouse windows etc. but if/when we got caught and an adult chased us or the police took us home, we didn't do it again and we certainly weren't lippy back, because we respected them and because there was a feitn chance the might give you a clip round the ear.
I try to teach my kids respect and manners as they were taught to me, but it is plain to see many other parents when we are out and about who do not hold these values and don't give a toss. In fact it feels like we are the ones in the minority.
For example:
Last night I went to Bluewater, on my way back to the car there was a family with two kids (5 & 7, I reckon), these kids were drinking cans of coke by their car, which they proceeded to throw (not drop - actually lob them) onto the floor when they were less than 2 metres away from a bin. The parents were standing there and clearly saw this and said nothing to their children.
I was disgusted - I know this isn't major, but what respect do you think these kids have for anything?
I don't actually think we disagree on much, I agree the world has come a long way in the years since I was a kid (blimey I sound like I'm in my 70's - I'm only 32) - some good some bad. All that I think needs to happen is we need to regain the core values that we seem to have lost and let teachers, police and parents take back some control without fears of being prosecuted.
MiniMatt
07-12-07, 10:04 AM
Krahll/Pedro - desperately trying to find something else to argue about but can't - damn! Consensus reached. And I love a good argument too :D
Biggles - Bring back the fence panel I say. You can bring it back while your collecting your birch, most of it's in my back garden. Soon as you like :D
Pedro68
07-12-07, 10:14 AM
Krahll/Pedro - desperately trying to find something else to argue about but can't - damn! Consensus reached. And I love a good argument too :D
We could always argue over the merits of the individuals short-listed for the vacant England football team managers' job? But that really would be derailing this thread ... so I shall shake your hand and bid you farewell ... until we meet again sir ;-) :D
Well I for one enjoyed that - but as you say consensus reached.
I'll start the Jose for the job thread then - see you both in 5!!!
gettin2dizzy
07-12-07, 10:51 AM
For example:
Last night I went to Bluewater, on my way back to the car there was a family with two kids (5 & 7, I reckon), these kids were drinking cans of coke by their car, which they proceeded to throw (not drop - actually lob them) onto the floor when they were less than 2 metres away from a bin. The parents were standing there and clearly saw this and said nothing to their children.
this is what you do if you see litterbugs
http://howto.videosift.com/video/How-to-deal-with-Litterbugs
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8157/rs012zm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
wheelnut
07-12-07, 05:18 PM
It was only when I'd gotten back into the car, that my passenger (a man!) said to me, 'they coulda had knives you stupid cow!'. But it honestly didn't cross my mind.
I I bet it took a while for him to live-down the sight of the 4' 11", mid 30's Mum, pushing him, a 6' teen on his ped, backwards down the street.
I think after that, you should have physically thrown your lily livered passenger out of the car and driven off.;)
Respect to you!
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