work appraisals?

[Wideboy]

mines tomorrow, got a questionnaire to fill out but worried that if i right what i really think i would get sacked:p

question 1: How do you rate your performance over the past year? well im not exactly going to put crap down am i! (i put brilliant:cool:)

question 2: whats parts of your job do you enjoy the most? clocking off:D

question 3: what parts of your job would you like to be changed? pay cheq :cool:

etc etc

what a load of crap:cool:

anyone done theirs yet?

[Ed]

Suggest you find something positive to say - there must be something positive you can say - surely?:D

[Wideboy]

there must be something positive you can say - surely?:D

i like looking and talking to the receptionist:cool:

[G]

I had mine, best way is to put a positive and negative for each bit.

No point lying if your not happy, be diplomatic about it though.

[-Ralph-]

I always tell the god's honest truth in mine. Be diplomatic though.

If your employer gives a sh!t things'll change. If not you've lost nothing. Your employer can't sort things out if he doesn't know there's an issue. Similarly they can't sack you for complaining about something in your review.

I gave my boss reason to think I was job hunting a few weeks before my review, then basically told my him I was leaving if certain things continued the way they were. They have changed for the better. How long for remains to be seen.

[timwilky]

My company has them every year. They are additionally used to work out the bonus element of any pay award. Why then have I only had 1 in the past 7 years?

[Alpinestarhero]

I think you should find something better than that to write; there must be something you've gained from working there (increase in confidence at something, for exampple) and there must be something that, if changed, would make the job easier for you

Of course, if there isnt, then you cant write very much

Matt

[Razor]

These are the reasons I'm glad I'm no longer an office jockey. I'm the highest paid box stacker in the land ;)

[krhall]

We are supposed to do quarterly appraisals - but invarably my staff get one a year and I am lucky if I even get that.

Filling the forms out can be really difficult though as most people don't like blowing their own trumpet, but do your best to big yourself up, if you think hard enough you'll be surprised what you do come up with.

[krhall]

I always thought no-one read them until I had a bad year and was ****ed off - to my amazement I was called in to HR to go through it. So they do get read and are a good place to voice your opinion - constructively.

[Daimo]

Oh lordy, appraisals

We get them, once a year. We have about 8 pages online to fill out. Then send it off for review with team leader, then goes off to his boss to review and sign. Then it comes back to me to check and confirm my managers agree with what i've said (eh, isn't this MY review?). Then it goes through all these silly ass online form processes. Then we have to print them out, the boss has tho print them out, then about 2 months later, we have a meeting about my performance, then i have to think of 3 things to improve on, boss has to state 3 things i do well, then we have to come up with a load of other silly ass tat. Then I have to sign it, he has to sign it again, gets filled.

If we're lucky, 3-4 months later, we'll hear back and may get a pay rise. Given my comment the other day about making £72 million net profit, i was told I was one of the lucky ones in IT to get a £500 raise....

I'll try not to spend it all at once.... Thats less than £25pm increase. Whoop whoop..

Total ********..... People just need to be given a little verbal praise and a little financial bonus once in a while....

I really should own my own business :( Post derail... :lol:

[Ed]

Given my comment the other day about making £72 million net profit, i was told I was one of the lucky ones in IT to get a £500 raise....

I'll try not to spend it all at once.... Thats less than £25pm increase. Whoop whoop..

Total ********..... People just need to be given a little verbal praise and a little financial bonus once in a while....

I really should own my own business :( Post derail... :lol:

Dunno which firm you work for D - but £72m:smt103 - and a raise of £500!! - That wouldn't even be a fee for a licence to assign at City rates.

I do an appraisal for my team once a year but it's a formality as I try to have an open culture and if anyone isn't happy I want to know sooner rather than later. Likewise if I have an issue I say so.

[Fizzy Fish]

Oh lordy, appraisals

We get them, once a year. We have about 8 pages online to fill out. Then send it off for review with team leader, then goes off to his boss to review and sign. Then it comes back to me to check and confirm my managers agree with what i've said (eh, isn't this MY review?). Then it goes through all these silly ass online form processes. Then we have to print them out, the boss has tho print them out, then about 2 months later, we have a meeting about my performance, then i have to think of 3 things to improve on, boss has to state 3 things i do well, then we have to come up with a load of other silly ass tat. Then I have to sign it, he has to sign it again, gets filled.

If we're lucky, 3-4 months later, we'll hear back and may get a pay rise. Given my comment the other day about making £72 million net profit, i was told I was one of the lucky ones in IT to get a £500 raise....

I'll try not to spend it all at once.... Thats less than £25pm increase. Whoop whoop..



:smt046

that sounds about like mine!! plus i have 4 people that i have to do appraisals for as well. Twice a year. :roll:

the most motivating thing of all is the chance for one or two members of the team to get the coveted 'exceeded objectives' tag, which carries with it an extra 0.4% rise, when they finally come through several months later. I think it works out at about an extra pint a week, which is clearly worth busting a gut for!

[Stig]

I have to do appraisals too. I get them to write thier own, hand it to me, I'll make adjustments to it and then we'll have a half hour chat about it. Once done I hand it to my line manager.

I have to do one a month for three months for new starters and then every 6 months after. If they haven't made the grade after the first three months they don't continue employment.

[Luckypants]

Ahhh! Yes the wonderful appraisal system. Takes forever and is totally pointless. Two years running I get a '1' - outstanding performer or some such ******** and a pay rise of around 1%! So this year they can go **** themselves! I was asked why my metrics took a nosedive in May and June, so I just said 'Oh that was after the month the pay rises were announced - go figure.' Tuesday I told my boss I had been headhunted to another team and I was gonna leave - she turns around and promises me promotion to the next grade and a pay rise.......

This is the problem with UK managers (big firms mainly) - They think if they follow the 'process' and give an appraisal, you should be fat dumb and happy. They fail to see a connection between how well you do and how well you should be rewarded. My firm has fairly rigid ideas about how much a guy doing my job should be paid, no matter what.... so I feel getting a good review should result in a (BIG) bonus - so if I'm crap next year I'm not overpaid and they don't have to pay my bonus......

[Daimo]

Dunno which firm you work for D - but £72m:smt103 - and a raise of £500!! - That wouldn't even be a fee for a licence to assign at City rates.




Simmons and Simmons.....

Top 10 employer don't you know.

Aye, if your a lawyer...... :lol:

I agree with appraisals, im the kind of person that needs a little verbal lift once in a while, to be told im doing things right and that im doing ok. Thats all i need. A little cash incentive wouldn't harm either. Makes all the difference.

Ho hum.... Still, nowt i can do about it at all, so we all have a big whinge together when the appraisal process starts all over again :lol:

[Fizzy Fish]

I agree with appraisals, im the kind of person that needs a little verbal lift once in a while, to be told im doing things right and that im doing ok. Thats all i need. A little cash incentive wouldn't harm either. Makes all the difference.


I agree with the principle of appraisals, and if done well they are helpful. It's just their execution by HR depts (and some managers) that's the problem!

oh yeah and the fact that they are supposed to be rewarding good performance, but actually end up offending/demotivating because you get such rubbish settlements out...

[Ed]

Can you not simply refuse to do participate?

[Pedro68]

I used to have to go through regular (annual) appraisals. They went something like this:

You fill in a form saying what work you've done to assist the business growth.
You name a few areas that you think you are strong in, and a few areas where you think you could do with improvement.
You sit down with your line manager and you "agree a personal development plan" (to improve your weaknesses).
Then you go back to your desk and work your a$$ off to try and hit each and every project deadline.
At the end of the appraisal year you fill in your form again ... you highlight the fact that your personal development plan remains "unchanged".
Then you sit down with your line manager who asks "so then [insert employee name here] can you tell me why you haven't met the objectives we agreed on your personal development plan?"
Employee: Well yeah, its because you wouldn't sign off the training I needed because my time was needed (or to be better spent) delivering that project that the business so badly needed to improve productivity (and which we have just spent the last 3 months ripping out) :D
Line Manager: Oh, ok but HR can only authorise a raise on the basis of how many points you have gained from meeting the objectives in your PDP ... sorry!

Me? Bitter? Noooo ... I got made redundant and now I don't have to do this annual charade ;-) Hurrah!!! LMAO

[Daimo]

Can you not simply refuse to do participate?

ITs very much how much you can fit your head in your managers bottom here. If you don't, it just makes you look worse, and cancels any small chance of any kind of raise at all.

Plus, if you get ****ed off at work (like me for lack of progress), you can use what you;'ve said in your appraisal to back up your complaints.

Still all a waste of time though. Far to complicated to do a very simple task. But then again, this is England :lol:

[fizzwheel]

Can you not simply refuse to do participate?

We cant, but I tend to find them a pointless exercise and a waste of time. My current line manager knows this and my last appraisal took 15 minutes over a cup of tea in the canteen. When then spent a further 30 minutes having an informal chat about what I wanted to do and if I was happy doing what I am at the moment and then that was it.

My previous boss takes 2 to 2 1/2 hrs to go through it all and he goes way over the top praising every single thing and trying to big me up. I'm not to good at taking praise and TBH I find it embaressing also I think its un-necessary and sometimes I find all the nambey pambey feel good stuff that they try and do patronising as well.

I just want to do my job, be told when I'm doing it well and be told when I'm not and what I need to do to fix that. If I want training I ask for. If I'd like a payrise thats more than cost of living then I tend to make a big list of all the reasons why I deserve a payrise and then go and discuss that with my manager at the time.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

It amazes me how short sighted bosses can be.

I'm lucky in that in my line of work, there aren't enough people to fill the jobs available.
So when companies really need staff, combined with recruitment agencies charging a small fortune to find new people, you'd have thought they'd be fighting to keep people onboard - they don't.

If you want a pay rise or want to get something changed, you often need to threaten to quit before it'll happen.

[Stig]

Hey Fizz.

I think you do a fantastic job here. I think you deserve a hearty pat on the back. Well done you. Your one in a million. We wouldn't be able to survive without you. :wink:

[fizzwheel]

Hey Fizz.

I think you do a fantastic job here. I think you deserve a hearty pat on the back. Well done you. Your one in a million. We wouldn't be able to survive without you. :wink:

:kiss:

[Stig]

I was expecting the :oops: icon. :lol:

[Daimo]

Squirrel, what do you do? Apart from jumping up trees and randomly running out in front of me as i come through Greenwhich park :lol:

[Wideboy]

These are the reasons I'm glad I'm no longer an office jockey. I'm the highest paid box stacker in the land ;)

im no office jockey:D

Thats the reason we get treated like crap in the first place, most people don't believe me when i tell them how the office staff act towards us (except the receptionist, shes the only one that will talk to you).

The only time they talk to you is when they want some offcuts for firewood or they want a private job done, i say come back next week when we're not so busy, you say good morning to them and they completely blank you.

anyway sort of thread derailing rant over