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Ok I'm getting on a bit but I'm not an angry old man ( I'm 37) and I am really easy going.
Finished work today and as I'm not well I am in the car .
pull car out of car park and there are 3 kids /youths well I'd guess aged 15 -16 , with hoodies on who won't move out of the way , give them a stare and they just start shacking this hands , eventually they move and as they go past car one of them bangs their hand on the roof of the car .:smt097
Now I'm a resonable person but that was enough , stuck car into reverse and drove back at them at speed , stop car and open door and they run off , which is probably a good thing .
WTF is happening in the UK?
Jackie_Black
13-12-07, 09:15 PM
Basically they do it because they can. You should see what is like in a school mate!!
Wideboy
13-12-07, 09:27 PM
they should have a asbo slapped on them, that will send them on the straight and narrow:rolleyes:
There's nothing wrong with most kids.
Adults on the other hand.. :smt110
Fair doos for giving them a scare though.
the_lone_wolf
13-12-07, 09:56 PM
you missed?
poor show...
Bluepete
13-12-07, 10:08 PM
not enough points (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Race_2000)
drefraser
13-12-07, 11:12 PM
"The children now love luxury; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are tyrants, not servants of the households. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize over their teachers."
I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint."
~attributed to Hesiod (8th century B.C.)
Alpinestarhero
14-12-07, 08:23 AM
Kids arnt punished and they get everything they want. Im only 21, but when I was younger I feared my parents nastier side so I didnt get into trouble if I could help it. I vividly remember my dad washing my brothers mouth out with soap because he swore one time too many, and both my parents used the good ol' "smack on the bum" method of keeping us in line (btw, it hasnt turned me into some sort of psycho...whats wrong with a smack on the bum or a clip around the ear?). Whats more, if I wanted ANYTHING i could only have it at xmas or birthdays, except when I grew out of clothes and shoes, even then that was only every six months. We used to get a small gift at easter, like a little lego toy or something.
Kids these days get everything, and give nothing back. They have too many rights, can get away with too much. Give back some power of discipkline to paretns and other people like teachers, then we wont have so much of this problem.
Of course, there will always be tearaways, so we cant solve the problem 100%
Matt
There has been loads of discussion on this in the past and it always gets heated between the, 'its not their fault - save the children' crew and the 'they all need shot' crew.
My opinion is that it originates from the parents who probably had them at 14 - 16 years of young and brought them up in a crap environment, mainly because these 16 year old parents have no money and are only kids themselves, so have no clue how to bring up a child, all they know is the fact that they need to have more (3 to be precise) to get their free house and the most money from the goverment.
The kids then unfortunately have the same attitude as their parents and have kids when they are 14-16 aswell............basically replicating like rats.
and as you know, rats are a very hard problem to sort out and only get worse.
All my opinion of course.
Oh.....my opinion is the only way to control rats is to kill them. :) Sadly we have the human rights laws though :(
There has been loads of discussion on this in the past and it always gets heated between the, 'its not their fault - save the children' crew and the 'they all need shot' crew.
My opinion is that it originates from the parents who probably had them at 14 - 16 years of young and brought them up in a crap environment, mainly because these 16 year old parents have no money and are only kids themselves,
So...you propse the Third Option. Sterilize them so they can't replicate.
I'll back you up on that one.
drefraser
14-12-07, 09:32 AM
Oh.....my opinion is the only way to control rats is to kill them.
Come, come Graeme. These rats just need a positive role model and a supportive loving environment to blossom. With a nurturing blame-free society these rats will become happy and productive. Rats are not born squeaky you know.
So...you propse the Third Option. Sterilize them so they can't replicate.
I'll back you up on that one.
This could work :cool:
Come, come Graeme. These rats just need a positive role model and a supportive loving environment to blossom. With a nurturing blame-free society these rats will become happy and productive. Rats are not born squeaky you know.
What about the rats that are born already addicted to Heroin and with mental issues thanks to their parents.
how about getting biblical on their @rses
The tenth and final plague of the chav, the death of all chavy first born males
that ell teach um
DanDare
14-12-07, 09:51 AM
National service my fellow orgers, its the only way.
Never gonna happen now though with the namby pamby way this county is going. :rolleyes:
Bring back flogging. Can't beat a good public flogging to put the world right.
MiniMatt
14-12-07, 10:22 AM
how about getting biblical on their @rses
You must mean the bit about "turn the other cheek"? Wow, never had you down as a liberal lefty Hovis, welcome to the club Brother!
Shoot them!!!
Yep
'they all need shot' crew.
quote]
Proud member of said crew.
[quote=graemepaterson;1365337]Oh.....my opinion is the only way to control rats is to kill them. :) Sadly we have the human rights laws though :(
agreed and yes these silly human rights get in the way of common sence!!
National service my fellow orgers, its the only way.
Never gonna happen now though with the namby pamby way this county is going. :rolleyes:
shame it would improve things a bit IMO
Bring back flogging. Can't beat a good public flogging to put the world right.
Yes along with the death penalty, cutting of hands for theving etc.
never had you down as a liberal lefty Hovis, welcome to the club Brother!
me? liberal lefty ?
NEVER
me? liberal lefty ?
NEVER
Good man Hovis!
timwilky
14-12-07, 11:14 AM
OK, kids are a real pain in the backside. it starts earlier now about 10/11 and lasts till they are about 19/20. However, most do grow up to be responsible members of society.
They do lack responsibility, have a world owes me attitude. However, once this has been beaten out of them. (It used to be at the point where they enter the workforce age 15/16 etc, but now most either fail to get jobs or can't be bothered with low wage training etc.) They tend to realise that in order to improve their lot, they need to progress, which means doing as they are told. First time, without any lip
MiniMatt
14-12-07, 11:15 AM
Ahh, my bad, I get confused by the biblical references :D
Incidentally, I do get very confused by the bible. I know it's very contradictary, but I see the "eye for an eye" line, and the "turn the other cheek" bit; I'm really struggling to find the "three round burst into rowdy teenagers" bit though - can anyone point me to the correct gospel here?
Yesterday I handed in my resignation from a job working with these little darlings. All aged between 13 and 17, predominantly white young people with challenging behaviour (see me being very PC here). I was tutoring them in motorcycle mechanics. In the 4 months I worked there I encountered one mixed race Asian/European lad and two mixed race West-Indian/European, all of whom were actually on the nicer side of things, so it's not a "Black people are bad" thing and I am as anti-racism as you can possibly get.
I left because I couldn't stand working with them any more. Almost all of them (with a few noteable exceptions) were aggressive, ignorant, uneducatable morons who would rather lie in bed smoking weed all day, or sit playing computer games. When night fell they made it a mission to cause as much mayhem and damage to the local community and steal whatever they could, including motorbikes. When they came to us they didn't want to learn, they were mostly there because they had nowhere else to go because they'd been kicked out of schools and everywhere else, or had to attend as a condition of court orders. They showed no respect for anyone, except those who'd been in the most trouble with the police. Some of them had almost made a career out of not learning a thing, to the point that we had a number who could neither read or write at the age of 15, but they could accurately recite the lyrics to gangsta rap songs all day long. That to me speaks volumes about their mentality.
It was the thieving of bikes that boiled my p1ss. They'd come in the next day with cuts and bruises, when asked how they got them you'd get the reply "I fell off a bike we nicked last night". I wasn't allowed to turn them in to the Police for the thefts, because, as I was once told by a manager - "We're trying to do something positive in their lives. If we turn them in then they won't trust us".
I didn't care if they trusted me, I wanted scum like that to account for what they did, but wasn't allowed to. I spent 3 weeks off work with rapidly increasing blood pressure, until it got to a point where I thought, "Bo11ocks to them, I don't need this stress over future jail-fodder that I honestly don't give a **** about" and resigned with immediate effect.
When I first took the job thought I might be doing some good, paying back the community and atoning for some of my youthful exhuberance. It soon dawned on me that you'll never sort this problem out, it's going to get worse as more and more of the good people of this country's freedoms and liberties are eroded away in the name of political correctness. My 'caring about the disadvantaged' gland has dried up, and I never want to refill it again.
DanDare
14-12-07, 11:46 AM
Lozzo , you are my new hero. Well done for standing for what you believe in.:thumbsup:
Pedrosa
14-12-07, 11:48 AM
Folks there have always been "bad uns" always will be. just maybe today tales of such anti social behaviour receives much more attention via mediums such as internet forums?
gettin2dizzy
14-12-07, 11:51 AM
Yesterday I handed in my resignation from a job working with these little darlings. All aged between 13 and 17, predominantly white young people with challenging behaviour (see me being very PC here). I was tutoring them in motorcycle mechanics. In the 4 months I worked there I encountered one mixed race Asian/European lad and two mixed race West-Indian/European, all of whom were actually on the nicer side of things, so it's not a "Black people are bad" thing and I am as anti-racism as you can possibly get.
I left because I couldn't stand working with them any more. Almost all of them (with a few noteable exceptions) were aggressive, ignorant, uneducatable morons who would rather lie in bed smoking weed all day, or sit playing computer games. When night fell they made it a mission to cause as much mayhem and damage to the local community and steal whatever they could, including motorbikes. When they came to us they didn't want to learn, they were mostly there because they had nowhere else to go because they'd been kicked out of schools and everywhere else, or had to attend as a condition of court orders. They showed no respect for anyone, except those who'd been in the most trouble with the police. Some of them had almost made a career out of not learning a thing, to the point that we had a number who could neither read or write at the age of 15, but they could accurately recite the lyrics to gangsta rap songs all day long. That to me speaks volumes about their mentality.
It was the thieving of bikes that boiled my p1ss. They'd come in the next day with cuts and bruises, when asked how they got them you'd get the reply "I fell off a bike we nicked last night". I wasn't allowed to turn them in to the Police for the thefts, because, as I was once told by a manager - "We're trying to do something positive in their lives. If we turn them in then they won't trust us".
I didn't care if they trusted me, I wanted scum like that to account for what they did, but wasn't allowed to. I spent 3 weeks off work with rapidly increasing blood pressure, until it got to a point where I thought, "Bo11ocks to them, I don't need this stress over future jail-fodder that I honestly don't give a **** about" and resigned with immediate effect.
When I first took the job thought I might be doing some good, paying back the community and atoning for some of my youthful exhuberance. It soon dawned on me that you'll never sort this problem out, it's going to get worse as more and more of the good people of this country's freedoms and liberties are eroded away in the name of political correctness. My 'caring about the disadvantaged' gland has dried up, and I never want to refill it again.
:thumbsup:
I don't think there's a working person on here who wouldn't like yourself to teach them motorcycle maintenance, it's amazing how many government funded opportunities you have when you're a waster.
Yesterday I handed in my resignation from a job working with these little darlings. All aged between 13 and 17, predominantly white young people with challenging behaviour (see me being very PC here). I was tutoring them in motorcycle mechanics. In the 4 months I worked there I encountered one mixed race Asian/European lad and two mixed race West-Indian/European, all of whom were actually on the nicer side of things, so it's not a "Black people are bad" thing and I am as anti-racism as you can possibly get.
I left because I couldn't stand working with them any more. Almost all of them (with a few noteable exceptions) were aggressive, ignorant, uneducatable morons who would rather lie in bed smoking weed all day, or sit playing computer games. When night fell they made it a mission to cause as much mayhem and damage to the local community and steal whatever they could, including motorbikes. When they came to us they didn't want to learn, they were mostly there because they had nowhere else to go because they'd been kicked out of schools and everywhere else, or had to attend as a condition of court orders. They showed no respect for anyone, except those who'd been in the most trouble with the police. Some of them had almost made a career out of not learning a thing, to the point that we had a number who could neither read or write at the age of 15, but they could accurately recite the lyrics to gangsta rap songs all day long. That to me speaks volumes about their mentality.
It was the thieving of bikes that boiled my p1ss. They'd come in the next day with cuts and bruises, when asked how they got them you'd get the reply "I fell off a bike we nicked last night". I wasn't allowed to turn them in to the Police for the thefts, because, as I was once told by a manager - "We're trying to do something positive in their lives. If we turn them in then they won't trust us".
I didn't care if they trusted me, I wanted scum like that to account for what they did, but wasn't allowed to. I spent 3 weeks off work with rapidly increasing blood pressure, until it got to a point where I thought, "Bo11ocks to them, I don't need this stress over future jail-fodder that I honestly don't give a **** about" and resigned with immediate effect.
When I first took the job thought I might be doing some good, paying back the community and atoning for some of my youthful exhuberance. It soon dawned on me that you'll never sort this problem out, it's going to get worse as more and more of the good people of this country's freedoms and liberties are eroded away in the name of political correctness. My 'caring about the disadvantaged' gland has dried up, and I never want to refill it again.
:cool: A description from the front line, by someone who has tried.
Fairplay for giving it a go, its an impossible task and definately not worth the stress. :(
"three round burst into rowdy teenagers" bit though - can anyone point me to the correct gospel here?
It can be found in Neio79's handbook to dealing with the UK's problems with out PC liberals interfering.
It will be out in WHSmiths soon. :rolleyes:
:thumbsup:
I don't think there's a working person on here who wouldn't like yourself to teach them motorcycle maintenance, it's amazing how many government funded opportunities you have when you're a waster.
The place I worked at wasn't government funded itself, it was a private company that relied on referals from schools and local authorities to send the kids there. You and I pay for that out of our Council Tax, and paying a private company or project to take these kids is not cheap, why else do you think these schemes are popping up here there and everywhere. It's now become a nice little money-earner for those who've worked in social care and know how the system works and how to win the referals. As I was told on a number of occasions "There will always be lads like this, this is a job for life". There was talk about them becoming a registered charity as well, it disgusts me to be honest.
Warthog
14-12-07, 02:47 PM
The place I worked at wasn't government funded itself, it was a private company that relied on referals from schools and local authorities to send the kids there. You and I pay for that out of our Council Tax, and paying a private company or project to take these kids is not cheap, why else do you think these schemes are popping up here there and everywhere. It's now become a nice little money-earner for those who've worked in social care and know how the system works and how to win the referals. As I was told on a number of occasions "There will always be lads like this, this is a job for life". There was talk about them becoming a registered charity as well, it disgusts me to be honest.
Well done Loz for trying to ge them on the straight and narrow in the first place, I would have loved to go on a motorcycle maintenence course! By the time they are hell raisers at 15 it is a lot of hard work to get them straight again, they have already been let down by bad parenting long before then.
Spiderman
14-12-07, 03:00 PM
Sorry, missed a lot of this thread but thought this was an appropriate place for this story...
Schoolboy gang who 'stoned father to death' as he played cricket have convictions quashed
full story here http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23427608-details/Schoolboy+gang+who+'stoned+father+to+death'+as+he+ played+cricket+have+convictions+quashed/article.do
I remember reading about this a few weeks ago and now to see this is just maddening to me.
I did A level law and even at that lowly point i was taught that actions leading to someones death amount to manslaughter, so how did this mob's lawyer get away with this i wonder?
its also annoying to see the judge wanted to go away to think about his reasons for allowing the appeal.
So in answer to the original question of "Whats wrong with kids today" ...well i dunno, but letting free for their criminal actions aint exaclty gonna make saints of them is it?
No, it'll mean their friends thnk they can also get away with this type of behaviour as long as they are in a gang and cant be singled out.
Isnt it about time the law was weighed toward the victims?
I am not being funny but they onlt got 2 years n a poxy 1 star hotel, sorry i mean youth detention center FFS, this sort of crap makem my blood boil.
They should be banged up for life, and yes i am serious, life all of them tilll they die, its about time some one in this country had the balls to introduce zero tollerance to all crime, come down severly on everthing from a shoplifter to a pedo.
I am Fing sick of every day reading about the constant decline of our society due to the fact no one in power has the B*llox to do anything properly other than go all fluffy and nice and try to understand these litte ***** and help them. Ill fing help them straight to the gallows!!
DanDare
14-12-07, 03:10 PM
I am not being funny but they onlt got 2 years n a poxy 1 star hotel, sorry i mean youth detention center FFS, this sort of crap makem my blood boil.
They should be banged up for life, and yes i am serious, life all of them tilll they die, its about time some one in this country had the balls to introduce zero tollerance to all crime, come down severly on everthing from a shoplifter to a pedo.
I am Fing sick of every day reading about the constant decline of our society due to the fact no one in power has the B*llox to do anything properly other than go all fluffy and nice and try to understand these litte ***** and help them. Ill fing help them straight to the gallows!!
Yeah but if we had zero tolerance on offenders then there would be no news about how Billy 12 murdered Granny Evans 78 whilst getting the info from the Cubs. Seems to me the press get off on reporting shocking stories so we all gasp and say how bad society is and how need to continue to buy there info so we are all safe. What happened to the stories of good kids doing good deeds?
What happened to the stories of good kids doing good deeds?
now , a good deed would be only smashing the front window of somones house:rolleyes:
One day it will get so bad that I will dissapear (John Darwin Style) and lead a life with no name as a vigilante, Riding in the night on a dark motorcycle teaching criminals a lesson in life/death.
MiniMatt
14-12-07, 03:18 PM
They should be banged up for life, and yes i am serious, life all of them tilll they die, its about time some one in this country had the balls to introduce zero tollerance to all crime, come down severly on everthing from a shoplifter to a pedo.
Speeding motorists? Not for road use exhausts? I'm pretty sure I nicked a packet of polo mints from the corner shop when I was eight, do I get parole?
Oh, just because I'm in pedant mode today, it should be "paedo", not "pedo". Not to be confused with "paediatrician" like the last lynch mob (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm)....
It would pretty quickly cut down the ever increasing population thats for sure lol.
What happened to the stories of good kids doing good deeds?
When I documented the rebuild of my SR250 engine by one of the better lads (who it has to be said is a top mechanic), I was told to take the hugely photoshopped (to make the lad unidentifiable) pictures down from a photo sharing website under threat of disciplinary action. I even had to remove a viewer's comment about how sad it was that we're no longer allowed to show young people learning something useful and doing good.
Madness
Speeding motorists? Not for road use exhausts? I'm pretty sure I nicked a packet of polo mints from the corner shop when I was eight, do I get parole?
Oh, just because I'm in pedant mode today, it should be "paedo", not "pedo". Not to be confused with "paediatrician" like the last lynch mob (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm)....
in effect yes, rather than geting let off IF you are caught 3 points and a fine etc, no questions. obviosly it would mean getting done for whatever the appropriate punishment is.
I really think the only way do deal with certain crimes is to be ruthless and non compromising.
its not all kids but I feel the problem is lack of discipline both at home and at school. im my school days (long ago) we had the belt. if you got it at school and went home and told mum and dad you got another slap. nowadays the parents cannot see that there is a problem with their little darling. all these goody goodies bringing out the change in law to make it illegal to smack your own kid.
my kids both have a healthy fear of me. I do not regularly beat them but they both know that I wont hesitate to give them a slap if the occassion calls for it.
I say bring back national service for all 16 year olds.
I dont think I would chase any jay walkers though, be too scared they turned on me.
-Ralph-
14-12-07, 07:21 PM
There's nothing wrong with most kids.
Adults on the other hand.. :smt110
Fair doos for giving them a scare though.
:winner:
Change the parent and you'll change the kid (hypothetically of course, not suggesting we send them all into foster care), but if they'd had different parents from day one....
grh1904
15-12-07, 02:08 PM
Well done LOZZO for your "stance", and your interesting and informative posts.
peterco
15-12-07, 04:12 PM
Bring back flogging. Can't beat a good public flogging to put the world right.
As Ed said,:smt068
yorkie_chris
15-12-07, 04:41 PM
Yes along with the death penalty, cutting of hands for theving etc.
You sound like you'd enjoy living in Sudan :p
This is a lot like the thread where Clarkson pinned some little scrote up.
I say instead of ASBO's, give them a kick in the nuts, next offence, they get a kick in each nut, 3rd offence, sterilisation.
Or you could just bring in a fair policy for benefits, which to go back to the rat analogy, simply deny them a food source, they'll either die or get jobs, in which case they're halfway toward being decent members of society.
SVeeedy Gonzales
17-12-07, 12:30 PM
To those 3 kids you were just another rude adult who expected them to get out of their way. Not defending them hitting your roof, just the way they would have seen it.
Adults trying to make teenagers back down with stares or rudeness will lead to problems. Did you give them a polite "excuse me" or just the stare?
And as funny as making them run for it may seem with the reversing/jumping out of the car thing, that just shows them that the bigger, badder person wins. So next time they'll just stab the person first. Or maybe they'll just trash your car when you're not there.
Fact is, it's easy to blame it on the kids while we all act like antisocial gits and expect them to be any different? Yes they shouldn't do it, yes their parents should have made more of an effort. Doesn't mean we should treat them like crap and expect them to do as we say...
Adults trying to make teenagers back down with stares or rudeness will lead to problems. Did you give them a polite "excuse me" or just the stare?In the past I have asked youths to move politely and have just received abuse , I take on board your point , however some kids just don't give a sh#t because they can get away with this
Fact is, it's easy to blame it on the kids while we all act like antisocial gits and expect them to be any different? Yes they shouldn't do it, yes their parents should have made more of an effort. Doesn't mean we should treat them like crap and expect them to do as we say...What action do you suggest , I've tried the polite approach , I've tried responding back , the only approach left is to do what most people do and just ignore it ?
Regards Steve
yorkie_chris
17-12-07, 11:54 PM
Run them over :p
Like the Green cross code meets Darwin :-D
bring back the SLIPPER and the CANE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
they will soon learn what is allowed !!!!!!
okay they never will now ..... europe pulling the strings and all.....
fine them.....their parents......make them clean the streets.......
clean the parks........clean the graffity.........
SOME THING dont just let get away with it ..............
or as all kids will do.........just how far can i push my behaviour before some one does some thing.................
if the parents and teachers and the POLICE cant/wont do any thing to me..
I CAN AND WILL DO AS I PLEASE...........so up your's...
untill the adults say this is the rules we live by and so WILL YOU!!
Ceri JC
18-12-07, 10:11 AM
Anyone read that recent article (I think it was in Bike), about a very similar scheme to Lozzo's? Basically said the same thing. Whilst they're just at risk of committing crime (IE when it would be most beneficial), there's no funding. Once they have nicked a few bikes and been caught a couple of times, money is thrown at the problem, but by then their attitude is already fairly set. Working with teenagers, even good ones, can be stressful and much less rewarding than younger (or older) kids. I can only begin to imagine how hard it must be to resist the temptation to give some of the criminal ones a shoeing.
gettin2dizzy
18-12-07, 10:22 AM
It's the old 'golden days' argument...
SVeeedy Gonzales
19-12-07, 12:31 PM
Yeah, the polite approach works - we have loads of kids like that around us in Medway and if you ask politely and give them a smile they'll move. Giving them ammo to do something back is guaranteed to fail, so why not try the polite approach?
Admittedly I don't expect it would work on a group of 18 year old drunk lads late at night, but in some areas you'd be nuts to put yourself in a situation like that.
Do people on here seriously expect kids to do whatever they say? Did any of us do what we were told as kids? I know I didn't and anybody under 60 is being a bit free with the porkie pies if they're going to claim that "in their day" kids were polite - rubbish! I work with loads of guys in their 50's and 60's and some of the tales they tell about what they got up to as kids makes modern kids look like saints.
It all comes down to treating kids like they know nothihng and aren't worth much, then we get the hump when they retaliate. I don't know why people can't look back at themselves and what they do sometimes and see that they're responsible in at least some way.
Arguing that it's all the kids fault sounds suspiciously like what car drivers do when they maim bikers - try and shift all the blame and take none for themselves...
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