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G
14-12-07, 12:58 PM
This article is the biggest load of crap i have ever seen.

Are these people for real or what.

We were taught how to make elastic bad guns in school out of wood FFS

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1297058,00.html

wyrdness
14-12-07, 01:03 PM
This article is the biggest load of crap i have ever seen.

Are these people for real or what.

We were taught how to make elastic bad guns in school out of wood FFS

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1297058,00.html

Yes, completely crap journalism. Heaven forbid that kids learn to make catapults (not 'guns' as the article says).

I loved the sarcastic quote from the Evening Standard web site:

"This is a very dangerous idea. Kids could make atomic bombs out of LEGO, and just think what would happen if some Islamic terrorist get hold of a copy. The possibilities are terrifying."

Alpinestarhero
14-12-07, 01:06 PM
"Kids could make atomic bombs out of LEGO, and just think what would happen if some Islamic terrorist get hold of a copy. The possibilities are terrifying."

Errr...didnt know lego was made from uranium or other highly unstable radioactive isotopes?

Matt

MiniMatt
14-12-07, 01:07 PM
Yay! That's another christmas present sorted :D

"Kids could make atomic bombs out of LEGO, and just think what would happen if some Islamic terrorist get hold of a copy. The possibilities are terrifying."

Edit: bah, beaten to the best quote :D

timwilky
14-12-07, 01:13 PM
Got my first shotgun at 13, .22" rim fire rifle at 16, 0.45" pistol at 17, 7.62 rifle at 19 and then more.

What is the problem with this country and guns.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. plus if you ban guns, only criminals will have them. We have worse gun crime now than before the ban. Politicians and hysterical journalism led by the PC brigade.

Now lego being used to make toy guns is being got at. Let kids play FFS

Jester666
14-12-07, 01:23 PM
Quote from a happy owner;

The book starts out with an short introduction that explains the authors' motivation for writing the book, and an interesting discussion about the process of actually getting a model designed for production. You don't normally think of bureaucracy when you see a Lego model, so it's surprising in some ways. I particularly liked their comparison of the instructions included with Lego kits to dishes at Taco Bell: In both cases, you want to make several different things with the same, small set of ingredients.
The Lego product safety standards are (of course) discussed in some detail, and more or less boil down to the question "could it poke an eye out?" (And poking eyes out is frowned upon.)

Love the eye poking out bit. How many times as a kid was I told this? But I never did have anyones eye out with a stick!! :lol:

The rest of it >>> Here (http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/flego) <<<

tigersaw
14-12-07, 01:34 PM
Got my first shotgun at 13, .22" rim fire rifle at 16, 0.45" pistol at 17, 7.62 rifle at 19 and then more.

What is the problem with this country and guns.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. plus if you ban guns, only criminals will have them. We have worse gun crime now than before the ban. Politicians and hysterical journalism led by the PC brigade.

Now lego being used to make toy guns is being got at. Let kids play FFS

Times have changed havn't they!
I remember going clay and rabbit shooting in the 70's, then off to the pub for a pint. We would go in the pub like mexican bandits all wearing cartridge belts, leave all the guns by the door.
You could even buy a shotgun from the mail order catalogue Grattons with easy payments. (over 18's only ;))

hovis
14-12-07, 01:36 PM
Errr...didnt know lego was made from uranium or other highly unstable radioactive isotopes?

Matt

yup, it is

Fizzy Fish
14-12-07, 01:36 PM
Love the eye poking out bit. How many times as a kid was I told this? But I never did have anyones eye out with a stick!! :lol:


yeah but just you be careful with that mod stick of yours!

anyway, Lego rocks - and this book can only help add a new dimension :thumbsup:

In fact it's inspired me to hold another 'lego party' again soon - a few years ago loads of my big kid friends came round and we sat on the floor and made stuff out of lego, like the good ol' days. apart from the ingenious outputs, it was great to see how possessive some people get over particular pieces :lol:

MiniMatt
14-12-07, 01:38 PM
Got my first shotgun at 13, .22" rim fire rifle at 16, 0.45" pistol at 17, 7.62 rifle at 19 and then more.

What is the problem with this country and guns.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. plus if you ban guns, only criminals will have them. We have worse gun crime now than before the ban. Politicians and hysterical journalism led by the PC brigade.

Now lego being used to make toy guns is being got at. Let kids play FFS

Oh for god sake, sorry but here is where I do get angry. I'm going to counter with "hysterical right wing diatribe led by Charles Bronson wannabees". If this forum is constantly going berate anything in the name of safety and equality as "hysterical lefty PC types" then start using some intelligence in your arguments and for once just get your facts straight.

Now for some facts. Gun crime has increased since Dunblane yep. Use some common sense and look at how the classification of gun crime has changed in that time. "Gun crime" now covers pot shots at cats with air rifles and water pistols being used to hold up post offices. Look at the real gun crime, ie. how many people have died due to real guns blowing real people's brains out and gun crime has stayed more or less the same.

Number of fatal shootings in 98/99: 49
Number of fatal shootings in 99/00: 62
Number of fatal shootings in 00/01: 72
Number of fatal shootings in 01/02: 95
Number of fatal shootings in 02/03: 80
Number of fatal shootings in 03/04: 68
Number of fatal shootings in 04/05: 77
Number of fatal shootings in 05/06: 49
Number of fatal shootings in 06/07: 58

Now, none of this is anything to do with the Lego book. That's in no way cooked up by liberal lefties any more than I can say every gun toting suburbanite is a Dunblane waiting to happen. As a liberal lefty PC type I find the lego book idea hugely ammusing, great idea, and I'll doubtless be buying a copy.

But if you're going to start making sweeping accusations at the leftie crowd then hell, I'm going to start stereotyping the right wingers as hysterical unhinged gun toting monsters too. Get some perspective please.

neio79
14-12-07, 02:17 PM
I'm going to start stereotyping the right wingers as hysterical unhinged gun toting monsters too. .


yep thats me :rolleyes:

sarah
14-12-07, 02:22 PM
stuff

wow, good rant :smt023

MiniMatt
14-12-07, 02:24 PM
yep thats me :rolleyes:

But whilst you're not allowed to bring an SA80 to Fox's Diner I know I'm safe :D

MiniMatt
14-12-07, 02:25 PM
wow, good rant :smt023

It's a speciality...

missyburd
14-12-07, 03:05 PM
We were taught how to make elastic bad guns in school out of wood FFS


my brother once made a firing weapon out of a coathanger and a laccy band, i thought it was quite ingenious....that was until i got hit with it lol :rolleyes:

surely it would give the kids more of a challenge if they were just given a load of lego and no instructions? they make things too easy nowadays :)

Warthog
14-12-07, 03:14 PM
Awesome book, I would have loved that! I made a bottle rocket launcher out of lego, but it made all my lego turn black haha. We are depriving our country of future engineers if we stifle children's creativity. I like the idea of Ness's lego party!

Pedrosa
14-12-07, 03:17 PM
I think the article reflects modern society rather well and is both well researched and accurate in it's content.

neio79
14-12-07, 03:38 PM
But whilst you're not allowed to bring an SA80 to Fox's Diner I know I'm safe :D

LOL, dont worrry mat although our POV on lots is different i would not wish you any harm at all my liberal friend.

northwind
14-12-07, 07:09 PM
What I would have said, saving me the trouble.

:thumbsup:

And as for that article, is it just me that thinks it's blatantly tongue in cheek?

chazzyb
14-12-07, 07:14 PM
Errr...didnt know lego was made from uranium or other highly unstable radioactive isotopes?



Well, they're clearly not teaching very well on that chemistry course, are they? :p

wheelnut
15-12-07, 10:21 AM
Times have changed havn't they!
I remember going clay and rabbit shooting in the 70's, then off to the pub for a pint. We would go in the pub like mexican bandits all wearing cartridge belts, leave all the guns by the door.
You could even buy a shotgun from the mail order catalogue Grattons with easy payments. (over 18's only ;))

Same here, a couple of working shotguns hung on the wall in my dads pub:p

I was shooting as soon as I could reach the barrel to break it. I never shot anyone though.

My mate rode his brothers Lambretta to the local village coppers house and asked him to sign his shot gun certificate form. "Yes, no problems Kev". How old are you now, my mate replied "15" as the copper signed the form and handed it back.

yorkie_chris
15-12-07, 10:44 AM
Got my first shotgun at 13, .22" rim fire rifle at 16, 0.45" pistol at 17, 7.62 rifle at 19 and then more.

What is the problem with this country and guns.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. plus if you ban guns, only criminals will have them. We have worse gun crime now than before the ban. Politicians and hysterical journalism led by the PC brigade.


Yup I've always been into the shooting sports too, funnily enough never killed anybody either.
The whinging type seem to see guns as some dark, evil thing which is the CAUSE of damage, they're not, it takes a person to pull the trigger!
Also this "guns are evil" mentality does nothing more than increase the appeal of guns to people likely to be silly with them.
When you're brought up with firearms and learn to shoot safely, like tim and myself, then you respect them, but also see them as nothing more than a tool, theres nothing special there.



Now for some facts. Gun crime has increased since Dunblane yep. Use some common sense and look at how the classification of gun crime has changed in that time. "Gun crime" now covers pot shots at cats with air rifles and water pistols being used to hold up post offices. Look at the real gun crime, ie. how many people have died due to real guns blowing real people's brains out and gun crime has stayed more or less the same.


So, what was the point of the pistol ban then?

Except to make sure that no law abiding citizen (subject) would be armed

northwind
15-12-07, 02:00 PM
So, what was the point of the pistol ban then?


Other violent crimes have risen in the last 15 years, "real" gun crimes have stayed stable or dropped.

Razor
15-12-07, 02:29 PM
http://lolcat.com/pics/legozkittens.jpg

yorkie_chris
15-12-07, 03:59 PM
Other violent crimes have risen in the last 15 years, "real" gun crimes have stayed stable or dropped.

So if they've stayed stable, what did the 1997 ban actually accomplish?

Other than to disarm the general, law abiding citizens.

arenalife
15-12-07, 04:12 PM
We may have had another semi-paedo-weirdo-outcast shooting spree and a few more gangsta kid ones maybe, who knows?

yorkie_chris
15-12-07, 04:14 PM
The gangsta kids are shooting each other anyway, and its unlikely they'd be able to get FAC.

northwind
15-12-07, 05:58 PM
So if they've stayed stable, what did the 1997 ban actually accomplish?

Other than to disarm the general, law abiding citizens.

It's like inflation. If a crime rate stays the same while other crimes increase, something's going right. Obviously not as right as if they'd dropped, but you can't judge everything on that standard, preventing a rise is as important as reduction.

pencil shavings
15-12-07, 06:12 PM
It's like inflation. If a crime rate stays the same while other crimes increase, something's going right. Obviously not as right as if they'd dropped, but you can't judge everything on that standard, preventing a rise is as important as reduction.

good point

knife crime is a much bigger problem :smt068

(there was no knife weilding smiley!)

Razor
15-12-07, 06:14 PM
Guns cause crime like pencils cause misspelled words.

gettin2dizzy
15-12-07, 06:21 PM
Guns cause crime like pencils cause misspelled words.

Or misspelt even ;)

Razor
15-12-07, 06:40 PM
Or misspelt even ;)

OK, so for 2008 I'm skipping irony, sarcasm and all that other stuff G2D doesn't really get...

gettin2dizzy
17-12-07, 08:19 AM
OK, so for 2008 I'm skipping irony, sarcasm and all that other stuff G2D doesn't really get...
Ok Ok, hehe :p With the spelling I often see on 'hear' you can't blame me ;) American spelling so often sneaks in to our language. I keep hearing people saying 'data' like "dar-tar". What's that all about?!

Ceri JC
17-12-07, 09:25 AM
FFS. A gun is a device that uses small amounts of explosive to propel a lump(s) of metal hundreds of feet. A lump of plastic that fires 3 cm plastiv rods of technic lego 10 foot is not a gun. The peg guns and french catapaults I had as a sprog were 10x more powerful than the things this teaches you to make. It's a good book, but I don't understand why there's the controversy around it.

gettin2dizzy
17-12-07, 09:37 AM
Look at the 'most read' section of these websites, all these stories are drivel like this; it's not in the interest of websites to educate us, just to keep us online, looking at their adverts and they know they can do this by providing entertaining or riling stories. News companies don't report the news, they MAKE the news.

yorkie_chris
17-12-07, 12:51 PM
It's a good book, but I don't understand why there's the controversy around it.

Because theres a load of hand wringing liberal types have seen it, and they're a bunch of wonkers. :smt019