New forks

[yorkie_chris]

My new forks arrived today.

They are different to what I expected, the yokes and such look like they'll fit the SV, the ignition switch attatched to it looks exactly the same too.

I was expecting GSXR600 SRAD forks from a 1996 bike, which means one mudguard mounting tab, and no compression adjustment.

But, these have an adjuster on the top cap (rebound) and also an adjuster at the bottom under the caliper mount. So I'm thinking "Eh?"
Anybody know better?

Pics to follow.

[Lozzo]

Rebound adjuster at the top, compression down below the caliper mounts.

[yorkie_chris]

Yup, I'm just wondering because I wasn't expecting these forks to have compression adjustment at all.

[yorkie_chris]

Here's some pics

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v159/78/86/574581600/n574581600_507579_820.jpg
http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v159/78/86/574581600/n574581600_507580_1111.jpg
http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v159/78/86/574581600/n574581600_507581_1361.jpg
http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v159/78/86/574581600/n574581600_507583_1887.jpg

Now I just need the rest of a front end :p

[plowsie]

Wow you not even cleaned Mels bike yet?

[yorkie_chris]

Er mate I turn spanners I'm not a valet.
Why do you think my servicing's so cheap? People want to pay for having their bike cleaned, go elsewhere :D

[plowsie]

Er mate I turn spanners I'm not a valet.
Why do you think my servicing's so cheap? People want to pay for having their bike cleaned, go elsewhere :D
I think up there they would call you arfa job! :smt066

[yorkie_chris]

OK, I will actually try your southern ways... Next time somebody wants a motor servicing I'll give it a full wash and wax, charge them double and not bother servicing the brakes or engine :p

[yorkie_chris]

I think up there they would call you arfa job! :smt066

It's 'arf the price too :-D

[plowsie]

OK, I will actually try your southern ways... Next time somebody wants a motor servicing I'll give it a full wash and wax, charge them double and not bother servicing the brakes or engine :p
Theres a good boy :mrgreen:

Jokin mate :)

[rigor]

Can't see the pics at work, 'cause they're on Facebook

do they look like these forks though?

Pics from Alpha-Sports Fiches for a 1996 GSXR750 (they don't have the 600) show adjsuters

http://alpha-sports.com/supr/1996%20GSXR750/24.gif

[yorkie_chris]

I like my method.
Mechanically all done, for a cheap price, anybody interested can watch/av a go... But if you want it washing then do it your f###ing self. :D

Mels bike was bad enough pulling the sheep shiz out of the fairing mountings and rearsets!

[yorkie_chris]

Can't see the pics at work, 'cause they're on Facebook

do they look like these forks though?

Pics from Alpha-Sports Fiches for a 1996 GSXR750 (they don't have the 600) show adjsuters

Nope, they're right way up

[plowsie]

Mels bike was bad enough licking the sheep shiz out of the fairing mountings and rearsets!
Whatever turns you on babe :p

[rigor]

Oppps, got that totally wrong :D Ignore me :D

[yorkie_chris]

As I understood it...

SRAD 600 up untill 98 had rebound adjusters, no compression on RWU forks
99-00 gained compression adjustment.

Then the K1's still had RWU forks untill K4, which had showa USD's.

These forks are supposedly from a 96 bike

[zadar]

axle is backwards :)

[Blue_SV650S]

I'd say it has a fairly basic explanation ... whoever sold them to you got them off a 96 bike ... but at some point (presumably before they got it) their 96 bike was fitted with later forks (someone prolly thought they would 'upgrade' somewhere along the way) ...

[yorkie_chris]

Yup thats about my best guess, not that I'm too bothered about getting more adjustable forks that are 3 years newer than expected. :p

Be right, now I just need the rest of a front end

[yorkie_chris]

axle is backwards :)


Shhhhhh!

Is the 05 busa front wheel the same as the 04 one (and SRAD, and TL etc)

[Dangerous Dave]

Shhhhhh!

Is the 05 busa front wheel the same as the 04 one (and SRAD, and TL etc)

Yes Chris, any GSXR from '96 without radial brakes have compatible wheels along with the TLS and TLR.

These models have the rounded spokes, like the Curvy SV's
http://i3.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/cd/2d/715b_1.JPG


If you look closely you will notice that the later spokes are more angular.
http://i3.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/cb/b8/a744_1.JPG

P.S. The GSXR600 SRAD had the compression adjusters at the bottom of the fork legs as standard.

[zadar]

Yes Chris, any GSXR from '96 without radial brakes have compatible wheels along with the TLS and TLR.


P.S. The GSXR600 SRAD had the compression adjusters at the bottom of the fork legs as standard.

maybe in UK but here in USA wheel changed in 00 for 750 and 01 for 600.
comparable wheels are srad,busa,tls,tlr.
also first year gsxr600 which was 97 for us did not have compression adjuster,just rebound.

[zadar]

Shhhhhh!

Is the 05 busa front wheel the same as the 04 one (and SRAD, and TL etc)
yes.
ps.there is reason for axle to go from other side,just like there is reason for directional arrow on wheel even tough you can't tell otherwise.

[yorkie_chris]

Zadar I :salut: your knowledge of all things suspendie, and the axle will go in as you say.

http://i20.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/cd/2d/e687_1.JPG

Those don't look like they'll fit my forks at all, but they are listed as SRAD :confused:

[zadar]

Zadar I :salut: your knowledge of all things suspendie, and the axle will go in as you say.

http://i20.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/cd/2d/e687_1.JPG

Those don't look like they'll fit my forks at all, but they are listed as SRAD :confused:
no,those are generation after srad.

[zadar]

the thingy in left corner of that pic will work :mrgreen:

[yorkie_chris]

I'm not feeling quite that flush today :-P

[phil24_7]

Why, how much?

[yorkie_chris]

Brembo master cylinder and lever, probably a lot.

Have a lookie here, this could save both of us a headache.

http://www.acewell.co.uk/en_uk/speed-sensor/index.htm

[yorkie_chris]

Looking here:

http://gregmli.blogspot.com/search/label/DIY

Does the curvy still need 4 magnets?

[phil24_7]

I've got a few other possibilities too.

[phil24_7]

That second one is good but only points to parts from the US and the shipping is stupid money.

[yorkie_chris]

I've got some magnets ordered from a UK site, the acewell speed sensor appears to be the same as the "ride sleep repeat" guy used.

I'm thinking of offering the magnets and holders as a kit since I ordered quite a few magnets, and once I get machining holders then it won't take too long to make a pile of them.

[phil24_7]

I think I've found exactly what we need.

Give me a moment!

[yorkie_chris]

Give me a moment!

Nothing like suspense... :p

[phil24_7]

Seems you have too!

Let me know how you get on.

[phil24_7]

Got about ten company's that all appear to do the same sensor, just gotta make sure the specs are the same.

Will check some more tomorrow evening.

[phil24_7]

This looks the ticket!

http://www.hamlin.com/specsheets/55505%20Issue3.pdf

[northwind]

Yes Chris, any GSXR from '96 without radial brakes have compatible wheels along with the TLS and TLR.


Nah, the generation after SRAD has different wheels. They can be made to work but they don't bolt straight in, the hubs are narrower. Need axle spacers and the disc track is too narrow, so need to space discs out or calipers in.

[yorkie_chris]

This looks the ticket!

http://www.hamlin.com/specsheets/55505%20Issue3.pdf

thats worth measuring carefully to check the spacing, looks suitable if it'll fit.

[Dangerous Dave]

I had a GSXR750 K2 front wheel in my SRAD forks before I replaced it with a TLS wheel, didn't require any spacers for either. I replaced because I was powder coating the wheels but the bike is used all year round so needed a spare set. Its only the radial caliper type GSXRs that have the narrower hub and smaller discs.

I have my OEM speedo rigged up to the rear wheel.

[yorkie_chris]

Fair enough, wheels and discs are sorted now (ish)

What mudguard will fit? Will the SRAD 750 one work as well?

[northwind]

I had a GSXR750 K2 front wheel in my SRAD forks before I replaced it with a TLS wheel, didn't require any spacers for either. I replaced because I was powder coating the wheels but the bike is used all year round so needed a spare set. Its only the radial caliper type GSXRs that have the narrower hub and smaller discs.

Radial gets smaller discs, aye, but the hubs are definately smaller on the Y-K3 wheels. The same discs fit but they're physically narrower, as are the yokes, I've measured them myself. It's not huge but you can't really miss it (if you fit an SRAD wheel into a K3 fork, as some do, you see the exact opposite effect, the spindle sticks out both sides)

[Dangerous Dave]

Radial gets smaller discs, aye, but the hubs are definately smaller on the Y-K3 wheels. The same discs fit but they're physically narrower, as are the yokes, I've measured them myself. It's not huge but you can't really miss it (if you fit an SRAD wheel into a K3 fork, as some do, you see the exact opposite effect, the spindle sticks out both sides)

I didn't know that! I bow down to your knowledge northwind! But it definitely was a GSXR750 K2 front wheel that slotted straight into my SRAD forks, I borrowed the front wheel from a mates GSXR that was in hibernation for winter as my front TLS and rear SV wheel went in for powder coating.

Oh, well... He has his discs and wheels sorted now ('05 Busa). What you got in the front of your SV northwind? I have TLS yokes, clip-ons and wheel, 750 SRAD forks, TLR spindle and fender (although I am thinking of putting on a current GSXR (K6/7) fender as its less bulky, anyone know if it fits easily?).

[Dangerous Dave]

What mudguard will fit? Will the SRAD 750 one work as well?

SRAD 600, SRAD 750, TL1000S, TL1000R, and the Hayabusa. I have heard that the '00- ones fit some how, I am thinking of putting a GSXR K6/7 on mine but not sure if it fits well....

[northwind]

I didn't know that! I bow down to your knowledge northwind!

Heh, not at all, you knew something I didn't, which is that it fits- I checked the sizes and decided not to bother since the SRAD wheel looks right and fits better, but I didn't know the other wheel would still be within the margins.

Mine is... complicated. It has SRAD 750 yokes and axle, K4 GSXR 750 forks, K6 GSXR thousand calipers (for 320mm discs), a K3 mudguard (which doesn't actually fit, but looks OK), a Fireblade CBR954RR fitment Dymag front wheel, and a pair of SP-2 discs :rolleyes: Except just now it only has one Blade 954 330mm disc, and one caliper, to see if that works. The surprising thing is how well it all fits, I had to make spacers for the bigger disc and spacers for hte axle as the hub's very narrow, but the Honda discs are dished so they line up perfectly with the calipers.

[Dangerous Dave]

Heh, not at all, you knew something I didn't, which is that it fits- I checked the sizes and decided not to bother since the SRAD wheel looks right and fits better, but I didn't know the other wheel would still be within the margins.

Mine is... complicated. It has SRAD 750 yokes and axle, K4 GSXR 750 forks, K6 GSXR thousand calipers (for 320mm discs), a K3 mudguard (which doesn't actually fit, but looks OK), a Fireblade CBR954RR fitment Dymag front wheel, and a pair of SP-2 discs :rolleyes: Except just now it only has one Blade 954 330mm disc, and one caliper, to see if that works. The surprising thing is how well it all fits, I had to make spacers for the bigger disc and spacers for hte axle as the hub's very narrow, but the Honda discs are dished so they line up perfectly with the calipers.

Must have taken you ages to figure out all the components that would fit! My biggest problem was milling down the rear caliper mount a tad to get the speedo in there and to shim out the the SV steering stem for the top yoke but thats nothing really especially compared to what you have had to go through. Well done, I think your SV looks great and the colour is fantastic it suits the shape!

[yorkie_chris]

That is some front end :salut:

Not sure I'd want a single disc though, then again you have a decent master cylinder

[zadar]

if I ever wanted speedo to work I would fit ducati rear caliper bracket and caliper on my bike.bracket has provision for sensor.

[phil24_7]

My biggest problem was milling down the rear caliper mount a tad to get the speedo in there.

How difficult was this and how much did you have to mill off?

if I ever wanted speedo to work I would fit ducati rear caliper bracket and caliper on my bike.bracket has provision for sensor.

Can you explain a bit more? Will it fit straight on? Will the sv sensor fit?

Cheers

[zadar]

no,it does not bolt on.ducati uses hall sensor and nice brembo caliper.
parts are cheap on ebay.
you would need to fit it.
maybe northy can make kit :)
I make my own bracket and use brembo on curvy.just to get rid of ugly caliper and that rod running under swingarm.my is captive to swingarm.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r71/twf164/bremborear.jpg

[zadar]

ducati bracket is similar and narrow,probably easy to adapt.and has mount for hall sensor.
here is my on bike.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r71/twf164/rearcaliperbrembo.jpg

[phil24_7]

Ooh, pretty!

[northwind]

That's really nice :salut:

How difficult was this and how much did you have to mill off?

It doesn't work for the pointy because of the different axle size- on the curvy you can just thin the caliper bracket and insert the speedo drive in place of the standard RHS spacer. Well, it's not quite that simple but not far off it. All doable with a hand grinder or even a file, if you're very patient.

[phil24_7]

:-(

[northwind]

Speak to Stu and see if he's sorted out the Veypor sensor, that'd be my preferred method now to be honest as the sensor's so tiny, but though I know it works on the curvy I don't know for a fact that it'll work on a pointy (though everything I know says it should)

[yorkie_chris]

Is the veypor sensor another hall effect one?

Still use 4 magnets like on the other conversion?

[northwind]

Yeah, just a typical hall effect switching sensor... Uses as many magnets as you want- the SV clocks expect 4 responses per revolution so you need 4 magnets. The spec is very slightly different from stock- one uses 5V and one uses 6V for the output- but it worked fine both ways round for me on the curvy (running the Veypor speedo off the bike pickup, and the bike off the Veypor one)

If my explanation seems vague, it's because I actually have no idea what the sensor is doing :rolleyes: It could be powered by cosmic dust for all I know. But I know how to make it work.

[yorkie_chris]

I think its something along the lines of it allows the incoming current to the output when the magnets there.
The earths there just so it doesn't feel left out.

I can do science me :rolleyes:

[northwind]

I found that the earth was for insulating with black heat shrink, then at a later point confusing with the black-insulated 12V supply, and subsequently causing all the smoke to escape from the control box. And once the smoke's gone, you can't put it back.

[philipMac]

ducati bracket is similar and narrow,probably easy to adapt.and has mount for hall sensor.
here is my on bike.


Hold on.
I might as well just come out and ask... em, what swingarm is that? (Sorry.)
Is that an SV swingarm? What's the story with that... bar thing welded on there?

Its very tidy looking by the way.

[zadar]

stock swingarm with brace welded on.

[yorkie_chris]

stock swingarm with brace welded on.

Hubba hubba

[philipMac]

stock swingarm with brace welded on.
Oh really?

That's what it looks like alright, but the welding looked to be so perfect that I assumed that it had to have been a factory job.
Nice.
If you have any more swingarm piccies floating about, I would be curious (sorry for the hijack.)

[phil24_7]

I found that the earth was for insulating with black heat shrink, then at a later point confusing with the black-insulated 12V supply, and subsequently causing all the smoke to escape from the control box. And once the smoke's gone, you can't put it back.

Lol Northy. Well if you don't do it wrong ocassionally you'll never learn any of the good lessons!

Tracking down a hall-effect, gear tooth sensor available in the UK is proving to be a tad difficult at the mo. Gonna have to wait till the new year then call the UK/Europe based sensor manufacturers that either don't have web sites or don't have sites that you can make purchases on!

[zadar]

That's what it looks like alright, but the welding looked to be so perfect that I assumed that it had to have been a factory job.

it is factory job,just not suzuki :p

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r71/twf164/blackswingarmbraced.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r71/twf164/borego03swingarm.jpg

[yorkie_chris]

SRAD 600, SRAD 750, TL1000S, TL1000R, and the Hayabusa. I have heard that the '00- ones fit some how, I am thinking of putting a GSXR K6/7 on mine but not sure if it fits well....

Are you sure about the busa ones? They have a mounting at the front on the bottom, which the srad one doesn't.

[Dangerous Dave]

Are you sure about the busa ones? They have a mounting at the front on the bottom, which the srad one doesn't.

Ooop's... yeah sorry, it can fit with an adaptor bracket if you really want a Busa fender. To be honest it would look ridiculous though!!!

[or_ghani]

hey chris . i am also looking to change my front end .maybe you can chair informations .i have a curvy 2000 .
cheers
ghani

[yorkie_chris]

PM sent

anything I can't help you with them post up on here, there's plenty people know more than me about it and they're always willing to advise

[or_ghani]

cheers chris

[yorkie_chris]

What are you thinking of using?

[yorkie_chris]

Mine is coming together
Parts acquirred so far:

GSXR 600 srad forks (fully adjustable ones, 98 onward?)
srad yokes and spindle £40
SRAD 600 calipers £40
busa wheels, discs, rear sprocket and stuff £260
(probably get £100 back for the back end bits, rear disc looks like SV one too)
Twinworks top bearing, £24
Neodynium magnets (25 of) £7

pirelli corsa front to fit busa wheel ... free :-D

Also got a 600 SRAD bottom yoke and stem, might be for sale when I've checked the other one I've got is alright.

Now I just need a mudguard, some tyre changing bits. headlight clamps and a speedo sensor.

Could be interesting getting the clocks mounted to the top yoke, but be right.

[phil24_7]

I think I've found a UK supplier for a speedo sensor (exactly the same as the digi-key sensor) I'm just waiting for a reply from them.

Keep your fingers crossed!

[yorkie_chris]

#everything crossed#


#picks self up of floor and uncrosses some parts#


Jolly good.

My bearing arrived today from twinworksfactory, excellent service.

[phil24_7]

I think I now have 2 possibilities for the sensor, both have very similar part numbers to the digi-key sensor.

Just need to source the magnets and holders now.

[yorkie_chris]

I've got magnets ordered, had to get a pack of 25 though so you can have them for the price of postage.

They're very similar to whats on the "ride, sleep, repeat" guys site

As for holders I'm off to see my mate tomorrow about them.

[phil24_7]

I'll keep searching to see if I can find the holders in the meantime.

[yorkie_chris]

Jolly good.


On a different note, I think I'll change the oil before I fit them, what are they like to do on the SRAD? What oil? Any special tools needed?

(the gixxer manual mentions one, but is it really necessary?)

[phil24_7]

I have received an e-mail from one of the company's to say that from the spec of the digi-key/cherry sensor and the spec of theirs, they do exactly the same thing. Just waiting on a reply from the other company before I find out which is cheaper or who has it in stock.

[HopefullySoon]

Hi

Just in the midst of aquiring parts for mine for a front end swap .

Ive got a pair of srad 600 RWU forks (gift) , flicked thru a few threads and wondered if you lads had sused the speedo drive thingy ma whatsit .

Also am i right in thinking that the Tl clips are needed too (curvey faired im swapping into) .

TIA

Hopefully Soon

[andyb]

Hi

Just in the midst of aquiring parts for mine for a front end swap .

Ive got a pair of srad 600 RWU forks (gift) , flicked thru a few threads and wondered if you lads had sused the speedo drive thingy ma whatsit .

Also am i right in thinking that the Tl clips are needed too (curvey faired im swapping into) .

TIA

Hopefully Soon

Theres a post thats been started recently by Lozzo I think as he's sorted something out with his speedo. Yep you do need the TLS clip-ons, NOT the TLR ones though. They can sometimes be hard to find but I have a spare set that I may be persuaded to sell if you can't find any. :)

EDIT: See here - http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=102307

[zadar]

TL clip-ons don't work on 600 forks.
forks are 45mm and clip-ons 50mm.

[HopefullySoon]

Zadar

Any ideas which clip-ns i need to hunt out for 600 forks .

TIA

[yorkie_chris]

SRAD 600 ones will fit, but will be very low, might foul the fairing.

I'm using flat bars on mine

[andyb]

TL clip-ons don't work on 600 forks.
forks are 45mm and clip-ons 50mm.

Sorry about that, I used K series forks which are 50mm. Thanks for picking it up.

[northwind]

Ive got a pair of srad 600 RWU forks (gift) , flicked thru a few threads and wondered if you lads had sused the speedo drive thingy ma whatsit .


I'm not sure what clipons work with the SRAD forks, but a good start point is the Harris website which has a big list of fork diameters... I think, though I'm not sure, that the 929 Fireblade ones fit and they're a bit higher. Or, there's always the expensive option, LSL probably do clipons for 'em. The problem is that the throttle cables tend to drag on the fairing with the low bars.

Speedo... If the various pickup options aren't working out (there's always the Veypor pickup, tried and tested on the curvy though quite expensive) you could do the rear wheel speedo drive remount... These days I'd sooner use some alternative pickup but when I did it the swaps weren't as common for road bikes so it was the best solution at the time, it does work very well and it's nicely OEM but it's a bit of a faff to set up, and more likely to fail (mine lasted 20000 miles before the rotor died mind, that's more than lots of people manage on the front and I'd had the wheel out a couple of dozen times ;))

[yorkie_chris]

Bit of an update from me here...

Got some magnets delivered, they're right strong little buggers.

Going to make some holders to lock into the middle of the discs rivets out of brass, with a tapped hole in the back to put a stainless screw through.
The rivets are narrower toward the inside of the wheel, so the screw will lock them in.

[yorkie_chris]

Another update.

I have some countersunk magnets to use as I'm lazy, they fit inside the rivets of the brake rotor, but don't go all the way through. Result.

I now have everything I need except bar risers, so will probably do the job next weekend.

[phil24_7]

Where'd ya get yer magnets and what size??

[yorkie_chris]

10mm o/d x 5 deep.

M3 drilled, not sure which side the countersink is on, but it's the wrong side on mine! Still the screw heads are only very slightly proud of the side of the rivet.

Just search countersunk magnets on ebay, ?2.99 for 4

[phil24_7]

Cheers!

You got em fitted and how do they perform?

[yorkie_chris]

They fit in the disc rivet is all I can say at the moment, will be fitting the front end as a lump next weekend, could be fun figuring out how to mount the clocks.

[phil24_7]

I'm sure you'll find a way!

[yorkie_chris]

Well it's still not fitted. Damn busy at uni grr.


Anyway....

What tyre? Going to try some secondhand race tyres when the weather warms up for the sake of it.

There's loads more 120/70's about than /60's, so what difference will there be? Obviously slightly increased head angle as its taller, but also different profile.

Thoughts?

[northwind]

The GSXR front end is shorter than stock so even with a 120/70 it's still lower at the front than stock (or at least, I think it is with those forks, no first hand knowledge tho)

[yorkie_chris]

Indeed, could always drop them a little too.

What difference does the profile make (apart from messing with the speedo reading) Do the steeper sides of the /70 profile tyre have an effect?

[northwind]

Dunno, I only use the middle inch of each tyre :D I wish I could say I noticed a difference but I didn't, at least, nothing that stood out over the other changes.

[phil24_7]

They seen to drop in much easier and alot quicker, slow speed stability is a little less but it's not too bad and isn't that noticeable once movin at 30 plus.

[yorkie_chris]

I can live with that, thought it'd be the opposite due to the lesser height.