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timwilky
22-12-07, 08:40 AM
I nominate my local plod. see http://www.chorley-guardian.co.uk/chorley/Fury-at-39defrosting39-fine.3612005.jp (http://www.chorley-guardian.co.uk/chorley/Fury-at-39defrosting39-fine.3612005.jp)
the_lone_wolf
22-12-07, 09:01 AM
way to gain the respect of the local community...
w*****:rolleyes:
Defender
22-12-07, 09:26 AM
The guys attitude earned him the fine. I'm with the police on this one.
The article likes to point out the guy had a Mercedes - What's the significance of this?
"The officer tried to offer words of advice to the individual, but the male refused to accept them and so the officer was left with no option but to issue a fixed penalty notice of £30."He should have accepted the advice and in not doing so, has to accept a fine - What a plonker!
-Ralph-
22-12-07, 09:53 AM
The guys attitude earned him the fine. I'm with the police on this one.
+1, ish. Maybe the copper got out of the wrong side of the bed and it's a pretty stupid thing to get a fine for, but he guy does seem to have a bit of a spoilt snobbish attitude
"It's not possible to defrost your car and sit inside it because it's too cold and I think they don't take that into consideration."
Too cold to sit in a car? When was the last time this guy stood at a bus stop? FFS...
SoulKiss
22-12-07, 10:17 AM
With some of the other threads on here about legalities and the police, there is only one answer to this.
Yes it may be a stupid law, but it is a law (its even named, tho I have never heard of it, "quitting")
We are now saying that it is bad that the police didnt just enforce the law?
It does sound like the police officer DID try to avoid the paperwork, but even if he didnt then its the right thing.
Bluepete
22-12-07, 10:20 AM
Bet he won't do it again will he!
Frosting (stealing cars whilst being warmed up) is a massive problem for us. Every frosty morning I will be given the reg of between 5 and 10 frosted cars, and that's just for two divisions out of the entire force.
You don't get any insurance pay-out either.
There is an offence of quitting, this arrogant man committed the offence and would not accept advice.
I don't think the cops was being a jobsworth, he was doing a good job, just by being there I am sure no cars were stolen. It's obviously a major problem for Lancs too, hence the operation in progress.
I bet there would be a "Local Police fail to act" if they did nothing and more cars were stolen.
Defender
22-12-07, 10:33 AM
I watched 'Tonight' last night and it featured zero tolerance.
http://www.itv.com/News/tonight/episodes/ZeroTolerance/default.html
Reconstructions of actual cases taken to court were shown to people including Sun columnist & radio talk show presenter Jon Gaunt and law professor Rod Morgan, former head of the Youth Justice Board.
What came out of the programme for me was that people should be reasoned with before being fined / convicted for lesser crimes such as littering, dog fouling, graffiti etc . If they cant be reasoned with then they should be fined etc.
One story featured a 10-year old girl who had chalked on a neighbours wall which a policeman witnessed. Instead of talking to the girls parents and the girl being asked to clean the wall, the police took the girls fingerprints and she was fined £40.
I thought this programme might be on tvcatchup but cant see it
http://www.tvcatchup.com/shows/
Bluepete
22-12-07, 10:37 AM
What came out of the programme for me was that people should be reasoned with before being fined / convicted for lesser crimes such as littering, dog fouling, graffiti etc . If they cant be reasoned with then they should be fined etc.
Having read Tim's article, it would seem that this was the direction the Cop went in, but the motorist refused and was dealt with appropriatly.
Tiger 55
22-12-07, 11:09 AM
"It's not possible to defrost your car and sit inside it because it's too cold and I think they don't take that into consideration."
Probably not a biker this chap...
grh1904
22-12-07, 12:18 PM
Bet he won't do it again will he!
Frosting (stealing cars whilst being warmed up) is a massive problem for us. Every frosty morning I will be given the reg of between 5 and 10 frosted cars, and that's just for two divisions out of the entire force.
You don't get any insurance pay-out either.
There is an offence of quitting, this arrogant man committed the offence and would not accept advice.
I don't think the cops was being a jobsworth, he was doing a good job, just by being there I am sure no cars were stolen. It's obviously a major problem for Lancs too, hence the operation in progress.
I bet there would be a "Local Police fail to act" if they did nothing and more cars were stolen.
+1.
If his car had gone, and his insurance company offered him (cough) "market value" less his excess, would all that cost more than £30 fine ????
The Police officer has just saved him from himself.
I can never understand why people leave their cars running to defrost them, or stand there for ages scraping away a minute hole they can peer through anyway. Bucket of water, quick swoosh over the widscreen, side and rear windows and off you go. Extra bonus, washes off all the crap at the same time.:D
Pedrosa
22-12-07, 12:58 PM
For me it is clear that the guy's incredulity at having the offence outlined to him by the officer,led him to become arsey and so receive the punishment. If he had been a little more humble perhaps the officer would have left it as a "word to the wise" and no more.
arenalife
22-12-07, 01:03 PM
He was probably pee'd off because it's a designed in feature of that car to do what he was doing. Just not legal in this territory as the manual would say though.
Frosting (stealing cars whilst being warmed up) is a massive problem for us. Every frosty morning I will be given the reg of between 5 and 10 frosted cars, and that's just for two divisions out of the entire force.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is an offence only if the car is on a public highway, yes? If it was in his drive, no offence is committed IIRC.
Personally, I think people who do leave their cars on the road to warm - or indeed running whilst they pop into a nearby shop - up are a) stupid b) lazy and c) inconsiderate. It's potentially dangerous....and what's wrong with a good old scraper? Takes nearly three minutes to do a whole car....
Bluepete
22-12-07, 02:17 PM
Ol Boc, yep, road only for quitting.
I have re-read the story and it just says "outside his house on Wilderswood Close". It doesn't say on the road or on his drive, but we can assume it was on the road as a ticket was issued.
Flamin_Squirrel
22-12-07, 02:52 PM
Having read Tim's article, it would seem that this was the direction the Cop went in, but the motorist refused and was dealt with appropriatly.
Reasoning should go both ways. The police explained why they were approaching him, when the man gave an explanation they should have left him be.
The Police officer has just saved him from himself.
The car was locked, so I'd disagree with that.
yorkie_chris
22-12-07, 03:05 PM
Personally, I think people who do leave their cars on the road to warm up are a) stupid b) lazy and c) inconsiderate.
Personally, I'd rather they leave their cars outside to get nice and warm and de-iced, while the cager sits in their house and drinks a nice hot coffee.
Less likely to knock me off if they can see out their windows.
The car was locked, where's the problem?
the_lone_wolf
22-12-07, 03:08 PM
The car was locked, where's the problem?
there wasn't one, but if there's an oppertunity to hammer a square peg law into a round hole situation there'll always be a jobsworth around who does it anyway;)
yorkie_chris
22-12-07, 03:10 PM
Police officer has just carried out "justice", somebody disagreed with him, and got a fine for it. :pig:
Spiderman
22-12-07, 03:20 PM
As others have pointed out this statment ... "It's not possible to defrost your car and sit inside it because it's too cold and I think they don't take that into consideration."
makes my blood boil!
What? Its not possible? The car opens its door and swivels and tilts its seat to throw you back out does it? I know Mercs are advanced but.
And its too cold? Too cold for what? Swimming? Sunbathing? Ever heard of a coat? Or hat, gloves, scarf or any other clothing humans use to keep warm when its cold?
No?
And they let you and your puny little mind drive a car???? :shock:
For sheer stupidity and arrogance they should give him a one week driving ban. Let him stand at bus stops and train stations for a week and i bet you he'll never think its too bloody cold to sit in his car for under a minute while it warms up and defrosts.
Muppet.
Biker Biggles
22-12-07, 03:30 PM
Whilst I use the "Lissa method"and take a jug of warm water out,and I have no sympathy with the "its not possible"nonsense I do think there is an element of police arrogance here.The car could not be stolen because it was locked,and posed no threat to anyone other than its carbon emmissions while heating up,so common sense should prevail.It irks me that to avoid a fine you need to "have a good attitude" (grovel?)and any form of answering back is unacceptable.Thats abuse of power in my book.
yorkie_chris
22-12-07, 03:39 PM
For sheer stupidity and arrogance they should give him a one week driving ban. Let him stand at bus stops and train stations for a week and i bet you he'll never think its too bloody cold to sit in his car for under a minute while it warms up and defrosts.
Muppet.
And if he should complain zat ze trains are too crowded zen he vill be shot!
timwilky
22-12-07, 03:45 PM
Wilderswood is a quite little estate full of arsey individuals who like the idea of living in the "village". To be a Whittler your grandparents must have been from the village. So we can presume he would have been a t0sser in the first place.
By all means plod should have told him the error of his ways. and then leave him to get his car nicked. Stupid fixed penalties like this simply alienate people and serve no purpose except to feed the statistics, crime reported, crime solved. crime punished by way of a fix penalty.
The car.....posed no threat to anyone other than its carbon emmissions while heating up,so common sense should prevail.
Here's a guy who I rarely - if ever - disagree with...except today!
For those who are engineers, would you leave a lathe or a mill spinning at a few hundred rpm whilst you went for a tea break? For those who are chefs, do you leave a few frying pans heating on the stove whilst you pop off down the market? No you don't!
And the Law says you can't leave something with a load of bhp and torque running on the road, unattended. In fact, it's even MORE dangerous when someone can't get into it to shut it off in an emergency....it's why buses etc have emergency "engine off" switches on the OUTSIDE, marked with a big sign! Never mind theft, every year people die, run over by their own vehicles.
As to this person's response, when did Britain get so up its own bottom that its populace can't remeber to occasionally say "Yeah, you're right. Sorry pal"? The Old Bill must get racked off with abuse and excuses too...if they respond, it just shows they are in fact HUMAN (thank goodness!).
yorkie_chris
22-12-07, 05:44 PM
How is a car going to jump into gear, release its own brakes and set off down the road?
Somebody would also have to go well out of their way to hurt themselves on the car
the_lone_wolf
22-12-07, 05:49 PM
Somebody would also have to go well out of their way to hurt themselves on the car
yes, but because someone out there is probably stupid enough to stick their car in gear and jump out to check the oil we have to make it illegal for anyone to do anything that might have the slightest possibility of resulting in the situation occurring:rolleyes:
yorkie_chris
22-12-07, 05:49 PM
As to this person's response, when did Britain get so up its own bottom that its populace can't remeber to occasionally say "Yeah, you're right. Sorry pal"? The Old Bill must get racked off with abuse and excuses too...if they respond, it just shows they are in fact HUMAN (thank goodness!).
Though I do agree with that bit
21QUEST
22-12-07, 05:57 PM
I agree entirely with those who say, the guy must be a prat(polite version). I don't think the copper was being a 'jobs worth' at all......I've met a few ;) and certainly doesn't sound like the case here IMO.
For me, Ol Bocs last post, hit the nail, squarely on the head.
Ben
Spiderman
22-12-07, 05:59 PM
And if he should complain zat ze trains are too crowded zen he vill be shot!
Abso -bloody- lutely right i would :lol:
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By all means plod should have told him the error of his ways. and then leave him to get his car nicked. Stupid fixed penalties like this simply alienate people and serve no purpose except to feed the statistics, crime reported, crime solved. crime punished by way of a fix penalty.
Hit the nail on the head there mate. Sometimes some coppers, (even if you pass their invaluable attitude tests :roll:) just cant leave it alone and want to get the stats in their favour...at the cost of pee-ing off the general public.
As to this person's response, when did Britain get so up its own bottom that its populace can't remeber to occasionally say "Yeah, you're right. Sorry pal"? The Old Bill must get racked off with abuse and excuses too...if they respond, it just shows they are in fact HUMAN (thank goodness!).
You're right .... to a point. Ive been in the situation where i genuinely didnt know i'd done something wrong and would the copper leave it after i said what you suggest? No he bloody wouldnt. And this was a simple rear light not working.
No matter how much i reasoned with him that i'd only know about it if someone pointed it out like he just had he wanted to gibve me a fine and points!!!
I even offered to take a producer and he could write on the producer that my lights must be checked and i'd buy some bulbs on the way home and then attend his station to prove i'd done it and i'm a resonsible kinda guy.
Did he leave it? Did he fek! 3 points and a fine was all he had on the brain.
Sad little scroats some of them who simply abuse their powers and give the decent ones a bad name.
Decent ones being the type who took over a footchase for me last Friday and caught the guy when i'd run out of puff and all but given up.
He went a long way to help restore my faith in the :plod:
Biker Biggles
22-12-07, 06:00 PM
It probably has an engine runlock on it.On our trucks this system fails safe in that as soon as anything is touched that could allow it to move it cuts out unless the driver has unlocked it.
That wasnt really my point though.I was raising the thorny issue of the police "attitude test"and how that works.We all want common sense and human judgement to be used,but it cant be right that whether you get done or not depends on if the copper was in a good mood or your bust size for that matter.;)
yorkie_chris
22-12-07, 06:03 PM
Sad little scroats some of them who simply abuse their powers and give the decent ones a bad name.
Only a small minority, but what a bunch of tossers.
Sometimes new technology makes things possible. A bit like using your phone to listen to MP3s on an aeroplane - without turning on the radio bit and risk making the plane crash - Jobsworth, Jobsworth, Jobsworth!
Spiderman
22-12-07, 07:04 PM
Sometimes new technology makes things possible. A bit like using your phone to listen to MP3s on an aeroplane - without turning on the radio bit and risk making the plane crash - Jobsworth, Jobsworth, Jobsworth!
Saying that why doesnt the guy buy one of those Clifford alarms that do this? That way he wouldnt have to leave his keys in the ignition and the alarm stops the car if it drives away or the doors/windows are breached.
That way he gets what he wants and the cops cant say jack.
Bluepete
22-12-07, 07:09 PM
Jobsworth, Jobsworth, Jobsworth!
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/conker51/Bike%20cam/Punch1.jpg
Oh no he isn't!
Get with the Christmas spirit :D :D :D
timwilky
22-12-07, 07:23 PM
Get with the Christmas spirit :D :D :D
Only if you are buying
Bluepete
22-12-07, 07:42 PM
Oh go on then, a short for you! No offence of course!
:idea::idea::idea:
I wonder if my Merc does that:confused:
Get with the Christmas spirit :D :D :D
Yeah I know. But I bet you've heard that a few times over the last few days ey Pete ;)
So how would his car have been stolen if it was locked? Does the fact that is running BUT locked qualify him for being done?
I understand how there would be a risk of the car being nicked if it was UNlocked and running but being locked???
Sorry can't see the reasoning on this one
Bluepete
22-12-07, 10:02 PM
So how would his car have been stolen if it was locked? Does the fact that is running BUT locked qualify him for being done?
I understand how there would be a risk of the car being nicked if it was UNlocked and running but being locked???
Sorry can't see the reasoning on this one
Quitting is leaving a vehicle running and unattended on a road. The bloke fullfilled the points of the offence.
Oh, and I bet I could get it away in about, oh, 5 seconds!
How?
Brick through the window, dive in, zoom. Happy Christmas me!
Don't forget, they are stolen by criminals who wouldn't think twice about smashing the car up a bit to get it away.
oh boy how i wish this copper had see me and tried to do someihing...
my last car calibra i fitted a top of the range cilfford cat1 alarm system
which had REMOTE START/STOP UP TO 100 FEET AWAY.............
when board at work i would go and open my windows and keep the engion running and walk to my office on the first floor...........
as soon as i saw some one walking near to my car noticing that the engion was on i would click and doors lock, windows go up and lock, and engine shutdown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as soon as they walked about 10 feet away i would start everything up....
it was so much fun !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smt044
Quitting is leaving a vehicle running and unattended on a road. The bloke fullfilled the points of the offence.
Oh, and I bet I could get it away in about, oh, 5 seconds!
How?
Brick through the window, dive in, zoom. Happy Christmas me!
Don't forget, they are stolen by criminals who wouldn't think twice about smashing the car up a bit to get it away.
Definition noted Sir :) Fair dos then
-Ralph-
23-12-07, 09:11 AM
oh boy how i wish this copper had see me and tried to do someihing...
my last car calibra i fitted a top of the range cilfford cat1 alarm system
which had REMOTE START/STOP UP TO 100 FEET AWAY.............
when board at work i would go and open my windows and keep the engion running and walk to my office on the first floor...........
as soon as i saw some one walking near to my car noticing that the engion was on i would click and doors lock, windows go up and lock, and engine shutdown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as soon as they walked about 10 feet away i would start everything up....
it was so much fun !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smt044
ROLF, they must have thought they were in a episode of Knight Rider. I think some of the Merc's do something similar, you don't need the keys to be in the ignition, or to unlock the car, the engine is started and the heating switched on from the remote. You need to put the key in the ignition before you can drive away, if somebody smashes a window and tries to select a gear the engine dies again.
oh boy how i wish this copper had see me and tried to do someihing...
my last car calibra i fitted a top of the range cilfford cat1 alarm system
which had REMOTE START/STOP UP TO 100 FEET AWAY.............
when board at work i would go and open my windows and keep the engion running and walk to my office on the first floor...........
as soon as i saw some one walking near to my car noticing that the engion was on i would click and doors lock, windows go up and lock, and engine shutdown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as soon as they walked about 10 feet away i would start everything up....
it was so much fun !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smt044
A friend of mine had one of these fitted to his bike. Although the closing of windows and door locks didn't work. :wink:
First I knew about it was when he kindly let me have a ride on his bike. Everytime I started it and went to pull away, it 'stalled'. The git.
In this day and age theres lots of cars that have remote starters, and heating option (loads here in the US). But the point is still the guy sounded like a tosser, he could have simple said, he was unaware, and the car would not move without the key, and that he wouldn't do it again...thank you officer for the advice... ... instead he get arsey and the copper fined him.
Who cares what technology advantages you have, we all know that getting stroppy with plod = ****ed off copper + fine/points
In this day and age theres lots of cars that have remote starters, and heating option (loads here in the US). But the point is still the guy sounded like a tosser, he could have simple said, he was unaware, and the car would not move without the key, and that he wouldn't do it again...thank you officer for the advice... ... instead he get arsey and the copper fined him.
Who cares what technology advantages you have, we all know that getting stroppy with plod = ****ed off copper + fine/points
+1
Let the Bobbies win the peeing competition and slink off with your wallet intact, even if they are idiots. No point making them look idiotic unless you can post it on Youtube
hate to brag but my alarm had a temperture sensor which started the car for X amount of time....
-5C engine starts and warms up and then turnes it self off...
cool.........
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