View Full Version : Bloody tax man. Grrrr
Just got my pay statement through.
Earnt £3000 last month. Tax man took a third of it. :mad: Bloody robbery that is. :sad:
metalmonkey
29-12-07, 12:52 PM
Yor not the only one trust me on that, I get robbed on a montly basis as well.
phil24_7
29-12-07, 01:15 PM
£3K? Wonder what that's like!!
Take your bragging somewhere else. :-(
Just got my pay statement through.
Earnt £3000 last month. Tax man took a third of it. :mad: Bloody robbery that is. :sad:
well just to cheer you up apeboy - the tax man took off you more than I get paid before tax lol
Hmmm not the wisest thing I have ever done stating what I earn. But you have heard what they say I am sure. The more you earn the bigger the debt. Oh how true that statement is.
Still, I am disgusted at it. Practically all my overtime pay gone in tax.
dissuade
29-12-07, 02:59 PM
move to monaco, i heard they don't pay taxes there.
Yep, but as far as I am aware, BT don't have a projects office in Monaco. :sad:
Defender
29-12-07, 03:21 PM
In my last bonus of £800 I paid £300 tax.
I hear stories that you can earn big time growing cannabis. Perhaps I should change employment and no longer worry about paying tax!
Just got my pay statement through.
Earnt £3000 last month. Tax man took a third of it. :mad: Bloody robbery that is. :sad:
£3000 ? in a month ?....wouldnt get out of bed for that mate..
I,ll get me coat........................;)
Yep for the amount of tax I pay, I could fund my own personal Police Officer
!
....
Theres an idea, someone suggest to Labour, a "Buy a bobby" program lol.
El Saxo
29-12-07, 06:31 PM
Same thing happened to me this month. I did about 150 hours of overtime in November & lost just over a third of it in tax, NI and student loan repayment. :(
Defender
29-12-07, 06:57 PM
Why not, they've been running the 'buy an MP' policy for years ;)
timwilky
29-12-07, 07:21 PM
just wait to you join the 40% rate and then you will have reason to moan about Gordon's inland robbery dept. Surely in this days of equality and political correctness we should all be taxed at a single rate.
GastonJ
29-12-07, 07:25 PM
just wait to you join the 40% rate and then you will have reason to moan about Gordon's inland robbery dept. Surely in this days of equality and political correctness we should all be taxed at a single rate.
and if the government picked up that idea everyone would be paying 40% tax... They never take the other option, look what happened when they equalised pension ages, did men's go down to 60?.... :smt067
Have to admit that I'd like to pay less tax though
Miss Alpinestarhero
29-12-07, 07:27 PM
I know how you feel, ive been taxed about £500 this month :( due to start student loan repayments soon which means even more tax. How depressing.
Maria
Alpinestarhero
29-12-07, 07:37 PM
Thanks everyone! Your taxes mean I dont have to pay mega high tuition fees.
Dont worry, I intend to pay it all back. Maybe not in money. How about...free advice? Water-repellant visors?
Matt
GastonJ
29-12-07, 07:41 PM
Wll my bike and both cars need cleaning, if you're really wanting to make up for my paying your tuition fees :) failing that I'll do it tomorrow myself.
as a tory voting southerner, I blame you pastey Labour voting Northerners :smt067
:clown:
:p
pencil shavings
29-12-07, 09:02 PM
Why not, they've been running the 'buy an MP' policy for years ;)
:D:thumbsup: haha
GastonJ
29-12-07, 09:59 PM
as a tory voting southerner, I blame you pastey Labour voting Northerners :smt067
:clown:
:p
Yes Ohio is quite south of Canada :smt035
yorkie_chris
29-12-07, 10:51 PM
Dont worry, I intend to pay it all back.
I intend to leave the country
metalmonkey
30-12-07, 12:05 AM
Same thing happened to me this month. I did about 150 hours of overtime in November & lost just over a third of it in tax, NI and student loan repayment. :(
Same for me, more I earn less I seem to have...Not sure what your student loan repayments are I pay about £120/month. So if I pays between £1500-1600/year my student loan will be repayed by 2012. So the more I earn, more it I pay back grr.... (something else were paying for) Its a gross amount we all pay out, I did apply for job in the US, but didn't get them for various reasons. You know what they are saying right now earn 18k pay back £5/week what crap. Also the interest is 4.8% so its not free. At least its being paid, but its a real drain and chain around the neck at the moment.
Miss Alpinestarhero
30-12-07, 11:11 AM
Same for me, more I earn less I seem to have...Not sure what your student loan repayments are I pay about £120/month. So if I pays between £1500-1600/year my student loan will be repayed by 2012. So the more I earn, more it I pay back grr.... (something else were paying for)
Thats something I'll be looking forward to then :( (not). Apparently if you dont finish paying it all off by the time you are 60, the remaining debt gets written off.
Maria
metalmonkey
30-12-07, 11:55 AM
Nah mine will payed quite soon, the though of having debt that long is scary! I hope not to have any loans by the time I retire......
muffles
30-12-07, 12:49 PM
Also the interest is 4.8% so its not free. At least its being paid, but its a real drain and chain around the neck at the moment.
Know what you mean here, it gets quite a pain having it, even though you know you get a good deal from it. When it's finally paid off it's a great feeling, took me just over 3 years in the end but it's all gone for me now!
Balky001
30-12-07, 01:01 PM
I don't think paying tax is bad, its just what they do with it that can get frustrating. It's the people that don't pay tax at all that causes everyone else to pay more.
Speedy Claire
30-12-07, 01:39 PM
Here ya go..... some good news re your tax
http://uploads.bikechat.net/Speedy Claire/UKTAXREFUND_1.PPS
Defender
30-12-07, 05:17 PM
I don't think paying tax is bad, its just what they do with it that can get frustrating. It's the people that don't pay tax at all that causes everyone else to pay more.
What I earn I spend wisely (I have to), however, the Government mis-spends much of what comes in.
They should be more accountable and we should know what they spend it on.
What gripes me more than anything else is the amount of times we give the government tax money. Your taxed on your earnings and then anything you spend it on, they get a cut of it again.
You pay tax on your wages, save some if you can, and they tax that too. It's akin to robbery in my eyes.
If someone can explain where my business rates goes I'd be delighted to hear. Blatant taxation with no representation. Theft, I call it. They don't even empty the goddamn bins!!! I have to pay extra for that.
ASM-Forever
31-12-07, 12:41 AM
Yep, but as far as I am aware, BT don't have a projects office in Monaco. :sad:
Jog on....we don't want your sort cluttering up our streets. ;) :p
metalmonkey
31-12-07, 12:50 AM
Know what you mean here, it gets quite a pain having it, even though you know you get a good deal from it. When it's finally paid off it's a great feeling, took me just over 3 years in the end but it's all gone for me now!
Yer how much was ur loan, mine was in the region of 8k I think....a little less jow though...
As BigApe said we pay tax on everything, our sales tax in this country is mega high, you know we all pay tax posting on the electricty we use to run the puters......its never ending, how well off would we all be with paying a little less....
I'm financially better off since my move to the US. The tax rates in Ohio are not that bad, I'm taxed a few percent less on my salary, and a couple of percent less on sales tax (VAT to us brits).
The big bonus, is the amount of purchases that are tax deductable. For example theres a huge tax deductable on Mortgage interest, down to even stuff like magazines and newspapers.
I wont know until next April (after I've been here for a full tax year) but I believe I'll be much better off when its all totalled up.
GastonJ
31-12-07, 02:46 PM
It depends I suppose. I've been to the US quite a few times and found the cost of living quite low, in most cases goods cost 50% of the price of here. The downside appears to be that the majority earn 50% less. Not worth the effort of hunting a job down, much as I enjoy California.
Nor can I stand the 11 to 12 hour plane trips from the UK either. Any more trips to California for me will involve at least 1 days rest in Washington to break the trip up. I've never quite got the knack of sleeping on planes and I doubt I ever will.
shonadoll
31-12-07, 04:48 PM
Tax here is rubbish. It annoys me especially as living where I do, the NHS coverage is crap and the waits are hellish. Luckily we have BUPA with oh's job but otherwise we'd be scunnered. So, for good prompt health care, you end up paying twice.Joy.
Also, tax breaks for families where there's a stay at home parent - should be encouraged, rather than bugger all given.
We have a war to pay for (all those bullets cost money) oh and a pension for the idiots that started it at full pay. Careful what I say here as I pay them to monitor what I say too. :-)
Skint brit.
GastonJ
31-12-07, 05:14 PM
BUPA and the like only take elective type operations. Look what happens when they make mistakes, people end up in the NHS A&E, and BUPA don't pay for that I dare say. You don't see BUPA running an A&E or ITU because it'd cost too much to run one, therefore the NHS runs them 'free' no matter who you are and how much money you have. If it wasn't for the NHS there'd be a lot less people alive, or with serious conditions that it wouldn't be "cost effective" for BUPA to cure.
The NHS is something to be proud of, but it does cost money and the fairest way is for it to be paid for by taxes. Much as I don't like paying tax, the NHS is one of those exceptions. Also, depsite what the media says, the NHS needs more than doctors and nurses.
Tax breaks for stay at home parents are another thing. Can I have it back dated if they ever introduce it please? because we got a big fat 0 when my better half stayed at home to bring them up. We survived on my wage alone. If the answer is yes, then I'll support it.
Keith1983
31-12-07, 05:17 PM
I don't mean to go off on a tangent here people but all of those who have loans and are complaining need to get a grip. You have taken loans knowing full well what the terms, conditions and repayments will be. And especially those of you that have student loand need to realise that this is the real world. At least those of you who have student loans had the opportunity to go to university. Knowing some of my friends that have been to university and "earned" degrees I know full well that I would be capable of achieving that, but due to family circumstances I didn't get the chance. To get the job I have I had to work hard, graft and live the hard life. Even know I see people with considerably less intelligence than myself getting better jobs because they have a degree in getting loans and ****ing it up the wall. Sorry to rant here people but please realise how easy some of you have it, and yes I do agree that for the services we get in this country we pay too much tax!
Flamin_Squirrel
31-12-07, 06:10 PM
I don't mean to go off on a tangent here people but all of those who have loans and are complaining need to get a grip. You have taken loans knowing full well what the terms, conditions and repayments will be. And especially those of you that have student loand need to realise that this is the real world. At least those of you who have student loans had the opportunity to go to university. Knowing some of my friends that have been to university and "earned" degrees I know full well that I would be capable of achieving that, but due to family circumstances I didn't get the chance. To get the job I have I had to work hard, graft and live the hard life. Even know I see people with considerably less intelligence than myself getting better jobs because they have a degree in getting loans and ****ing it up the wall. Sorry to rant here people but please realise how easy some of you have it, and yes I do agree that for the services we get in this country we pay too much tax!
That's pretty patronising.
Just because those who go to uni know they'll have to repay a loan doesn't mean they've no reason to feel resentful. Wanting a financial punishment dished out just because you couldn't go is just spiteful.
Keith1983
31-12-07, 06:16 PM
Where do you get that I want people to be financially punished? I'm not saying that at all and you certainly havent read in in one of my replies. What I have said is that the financial situations people have got themselves into when it comes to student loans are totally self inflicted so therefor don't cry about something which you have bought on yourself. Spiteful? no, realistic? Yes.
£3000 a month before tax means that you earn above average money. You were clear £2000 in that month now unless you are a surgeon or something really really special you should be pleased that you have £2000. Tax is paid for a reason and I know we all bitch and moan about it, I also agree that we do not get any value for money by a long long shot. But its the way we are governed and we have no choice.
So maybe we should be a little happier for what we do have rather than carry on about that which we dont have. (excepting of course a lovely blond Swedish girl on the arm)!
By the way compliments of the season to everybody.
Keith1983
31-12-07, 06:28 PM
That is my point exactly, be a little happier for what we do have! i.e opportunities!
timwilky
31-12-07, 06:28 PM
Big Apes salary is immaterial. His gripe was the amount that he had to pay to the taxman.
I fully understand just how annoying it is to see huge chunks of cash disappear from your bottom line and see little by way of value for the money. Tax is paid for one reason. To fund government expenditure. My issue is that government priority is not my priority.
The NHS is worth mentioning, its one of the few things that really is worth while that we fund with taxes (excluding the police etc). This has become more obvious since moving to the US.
Healthcare here in the US is almost nonexistant unless you have private insurance, and those companies are well known to be mercenary when people get older, and more likely to get ill. It not uncommon to hear stories of them closing schemes, increasing premiums several folds, to make people leave the schemes, etc. to the point that many people in their 60s and over cannot get health insurance, and have pay 100s of dollars to pay for routine treatment and prescriptions.
/sarcasm on
So I guess MP's deserve that 10% payrise they're proposing more than the Police and Nurses afterall.
/sarcasm off
Flamin_Squirrel
31-12-07, 06:37 PM
But its the way we are governed and we have no choice.
Of course we have a choice. But sadly when it comes to politics most people are idiots. Most don't trust the government and are annoyed about being taxed so heavily on one hand, but demand more and more public services on the other.
Dont want to argue but we dont have a choice. Even if we elect another they will still tax the arses off us. They will still do it whatever you think. We dont have a choice.
Keith1983
31-12-07, 06:42 PM
Does anyone know of a country where they dont pay a high level of tax, yet still have a relatively high standard of living?
Balky001
31-12-07, 07:00 PM
well the Scandanavian countries are often thought of having the highest standards of living which is probably more relevant than the absolute amount of tax paid
Keith1983
31-12-07, 07:10 PM
It would be pretty interesting to know the average percentage of tax paid, and the average happiness of the residents of these countries compared with out own. Although Im not sure what unit happiness is measured in, and anyway our government seem to rate the feelings of immigrants and scroungers very highly so ours would be great as I'm sure they love this country!
Balky001
31-12-07, 07:15 PM
its not really down to the tax paid but the standard of living one enjoys. If you earn more and live in a great place, paying a bit more tax wouldn't be an issue for most so I don't think its caparable. I think the generally feeling is we get taxed without seeing the equivelent in benefits although I'm sure there are those that argue we do (all politicians though ;-) )
£3000 a month before tax means that you earn above average money. You were clear £2000 in that month now unless you are a surgeon or something really really special you should be pleased that you have £2000. Tax is paid for a reason and I know we all bitch and moan about it, I also agree that we do not get any value for money by a long long shot. But its the way we are governed and we have no choice.
So maybe we should be a little happier for what we do have rather than carry on about that which we dont have. (excepting of course a lovely blond Swedish girl on the arm)!
By the way compliments of the season to everybody.
Eh? Why should I be pleased :?: The actual figures are immaterial. A third of my hard earned wages went direct to the tax man. The point I tried to make is the fact they take a percentage. (A high percentage as far as I am concerned). With what is left the tax man takes a slice of just about every single penny I spend. Even though he has already taken a good slice of it before I even got it in my hand. If that were not enough, he will take a slice of anything I try to save. So he gets his hands on my cash, that I worked for, that I spend and that I save. They even take a slice if when you die, you try to give it to your family. THAT is what I don't think is fair.
andywilson460
31-12-07, 07:48 PM
I've worked with people across the world, and the Scandinavians really do have the best standard of living. They pay more tax than us though! but then they actually get value for money - i.e in Norway Men get at least 3 months paid paternity leave in the first year after the baby is born, then (if I remember correctly) something like 3 more months over the next 4 years in addition to annual leave. This is not at some ridiculous government set level, but the same as your normal monthly wage.
They seem to cycle more, have more reliable cheap public transport (although in the South East we have newer, better looking trains now), and housing is sensibly priced.
But then isn't the grass always greener........ I am also taxed to the hilt, combined with pension, council tax, bills, season ticket etc --- It's amazing that being single, debt-free and having a decent job can actually count against you in this country!
Flamin_Squirrel
31-12-07, 08:13 PM
Dont want to argue but we dont have a choice. Even if we elect another they will still tax the arses off us. They will still do it whatever you think. We dont have a choice.
Not true in the slightest bit.
There is one thing that politicians want more above anything and that's power. If everyone demanded the government lowered taxes or they'd vote for a party that would, the government WOULD lower taxes.
The power is with the people, they're just too stupid to realise it. That more than anything is what politicians exploit.
GastonJ
01-01-08, 11:48 AM
Not true in the slightest bit.
There is one thing that politicians want more above anything and that's power. If everyone demanded the government lowered taxes or they'd vote for a party that would, the government WOULD lower taxes.
and raise them not long after they're elected, almost all of them are in it for themselves. You can tell when one is lying, their lips move - still rings true. Just look at the pay rise they're getting. I'll bet that it won't be staged, and witheld like they have done to the public sector pay awards.
Flamin_Squirrel
01-01-08, 02:00 PM
and raise them not long after they're elected, almost all of them are in it for themselves. You can tell when one is lying, their lips move - still rings true. Just look at the pay rise they're getting. I'll bet that it won't be staged, and witheld like they have done to the public sector pay awards.
They can only get away with that because the electorate have the memory of a goldfish. If politicians were actually punished for their dishonesty they'd be forced to change their ways.
Keith1983
01-01-08, 02:10 PM
I totally agree that politicians are in it for themselves and nothing more. Gone are the days when politicians were men and women who had more often than not made themselves in the world of business and then gone on to politics. Nowadays we have people like tony blair who had been in power and retired for years at an age which is younger than Churchill was when he came to power! Politicians these days are in general only in it for themselves and to massage their already oversized ego's.
They can only get away with that because the electorate have the memory of a goldfish. If politicians were actually punished for their dishonesty they'd be forced to change their ways.
It costs xxx to run a country. (including the % wasted)
Unless the governent of the day becomes more efficient they will still need to take xxx off us in tax.
Do you think that the current opposition will be any leaner?
Keith1983
01-01-08, 03:32 PM
As far as the electorate having a choice I personally believe that it is no longer a case of voting for a political party that you believe will do a good job, rather voting for those that you believe are slightly less corrupt than the others!
Devil Biccy
01-01-08, 04:53 PM
Does anyone know of a country where they dont pay a high level of tax, yet still have a relatively high standard of living?
Brunei! everything is for free including schooling health etc...
Mr Toad
01-01-08, 05:02 PM
Brunei! everything is for free including schooling health etc...
Except freedom of speech :wink:
It's what you might call a benevolent dictatorship . . . sort of
Flamin_Squirrel
01-01-08, 07:11 PM
It costs xxx to run a country. (including the % wasted)
Unless the governent of the day becomes more efficient they will still need to take xxx off us in tax.
Do you think that the current opposition will be any leaner?
Of course it doesn't cost a given amount of money to run a country.
There are great number of ways for a government to waste colossal sums of money if they're not careful. One of those ways is to throw money at departments without any clear view on how that money should be spent - exactly what Labour have done. The less money the government gets the more carefully it has to think about how it spends it.
Of course it doesn't cost a given amount of money to run a country.
There are great number of ways for a government to waste colossal sums of money if they're not careful. One of those ways is to throw money at departments without any clear view on how that money should be spent - exactly what Labour have done. The less money the government gets the more carefully it has to think about how it spends it.
Yep I completely agree... Maybe each department needs shareholders to answer to to make sure we get value for money!
What i'm saying is that without making major changes to make the government leaner they will still have this % of waste to pay for, ergo we still have to pay the taxes. I can't see any of the other parties getting stuck into it though!
toonyank
01-01-08, 11:01 PM
What I earn I spend wisely (I have to), however, the Government mis-spends much of what comes in.
They should be more accountable and we should know what they spend it on.
Exactly, and still they think they know how to spend my money wiser than I can :confused:
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