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Dualcyclone
03-01-08, 10:59 PM
After my last thread about loobman and you guys recommending just spending that xmas bonus on a scottoiler... I have!
Bought it from M&P and it came with the dual headed applicator for free.
Spent most of tonight fitting it, will hopefully have it finished off tomorrow evening (I'm juggling between doing my house in the day, and my bike in the evenings)
If anyone could point me as to where I should be attaching the breather, it would be a great help - I normally stick to electrics, this is probably the first attempt at anything mechanical with the engine in mind!
Plus, when I'm done, I'll post up a guide and pics for anyone else whose interested in a more updated version of whats currently on the website - mines completely hidden and you can only see a peice of pipe behind the LH rearset.
Look forward to showing you guys the outcome! Hopefully I wont bodge it!
yorkie_chris
03-01-08, 11:09 PM
Bought it from M&P and it came with the dual headed applicator for free.
:rolleyes:
IMO, don't bother with it.
What breather are you meaning? The one attatched to the clear, side part of the RMV or the one at the very top?
The side one (the actual breather) just needs a bit of tube on it up out of the way somewhere above the rest of the RMV.
The top one needs to be attatched into a vacuum line somewhere, either on the back carb where the line attatches to the fuel valve, or to the front carbs vacuum spigot.
ridelikeaturtle
03-01-08, 11:24 PM
+1 Well wear, you won't regret it. The time saved not manually lubing the chain will offset 10X whatever time it takes to install the scottoiler.
You can also cut into the vacuum line at the fuel tap (on curvys, dunno about pointys).
(I'm also guessing you don't mean the breather vent that attaches to the reservoir at the refilling point, and are talking about the vacuum actuation connection out the top of the reservoir that gets fed from the bike's vacuum system.)
Dualcyclone
04-01-08, 11:00 AM
Yer I actually meant the vacuum wotsit... like you say theres nothing that needs to be done to the breather other than attach it!!
Does it matter which way the breather points? I am thinking of pointing it downwards behind the frame.
Mines a nuddy pointy - I have downloaded the manual from this site, so may take a look at the diagrams on that.
In the mean time tho... no riding for me - the bikes in peices since I decided to dismantle it to have a good look at where to put it!!
Which regards to dual applicator - too late, already attached it, but it was free so may as well use it! Unfortunately I wont be able to make any comparison to a single sided applicator as I have never had a scottoiler before!
Watch this space :)
In my experience the dual outlet thingies are always a pain in the bum, I usually flog them on ands stick a single outlet on - never had any problems with lubing both sides or reliability.
I have a naked pointy with a Scottoiler, I'll be down in the garage photographing stuff to go one fleabay and I'll take some of the installation I have for you.
Drew Carey
04-01-08, 11:25 AM
Yer I actually meant the vacuum wotsit... like you say theres nothing that needs to be done to the breather other than attach it!!
Does it matter which way the breather points? I am thinking of pointing it downwards behind the frame.
Mines a nuddy pointy - I have downloaded the manual from this site, so may take a look at the diagrams on that.
In the mean time tho... no riding for me - the bikes in peices since I decided to dismantle it to have a good look at where to put it!!
Which regards to dual applicator - too late, already attached it, but it was free so may as well use it! Unfortunately I wont be able to make any comparison to a single sided applicator as I have never had a scottoiler before!
Watch this space :)
Heya there. Although only a newbie I have also added this to a pointy. The RMV is mounted on the metal bracket under the rear seat. Easy to fix. It does interfere with the fuse box a little, but with a small amount of playing can get both to sit correctly. As for the vacuum, my bike had a spare vacuum connector on the right hand side, this meant just attaching part number four to it and sorted, with the tube running along the frame under the seat.
Dualcyclone
04-01-08, 05:10 PM
Heya there. Although only a newbie I have also added this to a pointy. The RMV is mounted on the metal bracket under the rear seat. Easy to fix. It does interfere with the fuse box a little, but with a small amount of playing can get both to sit correctly. As for the vacuum, my bike had a spare vacuum connector on the right hand side, this meant just attaching part number four to it and sorted, with the tube running along the frame under the seat.
I am thinking of putting my RMV in exactly the same place... I am umming and ahhing at whether to put it on the outside of the chassis because there is plenty of room between the chassis and the fairing.
Could you point out where the spare vacuum connector is? I have absolutely no idea where to look [-o<
EDIT: Just took a look and it literally was as easy as that!! Theres a spare vacuum connector on both the front and back cylinder - used the rear one as it was easier to access without removing the air box :D
Cheers!
chris8886
04-01-08, 06:40 PM
After my last thread about loobman and you guys recommending just spending that xmas bonus on a scottoiler... I have!
Bought it from M&P and it came with the dual headed applicator for free.
Spent most of tonight fitting it, will hopefully have it finished off tomorrow evening (I'm juggling between doing my house in the day, and my bike in the evenings)
If anyone could point me as to where I should be attaching the breather, it would be a great help - I normally stick to electrics, this is probably the first attempt at anything mechanical with the engine in mind!
Plus, when I'm done, I'll post up a guide and pics for anyone else whose interested in a more updated version of whats currently on the website - mines completely hidden and you can only see a peice of pipe behind the LH rearset.
Look forward to showing you guys the outcome! Hopefully I wont bodge it!
can you give us that website you got it from now? please. cos i've been seriously thinking about one for my curvy recently and now really want to put one on and save myself having to remember to lube the chain all the time!!
Dualcyclone
04-01-08, 07:57 PM
can you give us that website you got it from now? please. cos i've been seriously thinking about one for my curvy recently and now really want to put one on and save myself having to remember to lube the chain all the time!!
I seem to be quoting these guys far too often:
http://www.mandp.co.uk/productInfo.aspx?catRef=901867
Thats the Version 7 Scottoiler with free dual injector - may as well buy that one since its no cheaper without the dual injector!
Besides, if you take these guys words... just flog the dual injector on ebay and save a little bit more cash!
I've almost got it completely fitted now - I am gonna tap the dual injector fitting kit into the swingarm - dont want any unsightly tight grips spoiling the looks of my bike!
chris8886
04-01-08, 08:22 PM
the site says "M&P Sale Price" £69. is this actually with some discount or are they usually about that sort of price?
Dualcyclone
04-01-08, 09:02 PM
the site says "M&P Sale Price" £69. is this actually with some discount or are they usually about that sort of price?
http://www.scottoiler.co.uk/pc/Motorcycle_Systems/Scottoiler_Mk7_Universal_Kit.html
Bare in mind the M&P one comes with the dual applicator - but otherwise this is a normal price for anywhere
yorkie_chris
04-01-08, 09:31 PM
Bare in mind the M&P one comes with the dual applicator
Why? Except that it can be flogged on ebay for a few ££'s back.
Dualcyclone
04-01-08, 09:50 PM
Why? Except that it can be flogged on ebay for a few ££'s back.
Why?? Dont be silly! Why not! It's not worth the £20 Scottoiler reckon its worth thats for sure, I wouldnt have paid more than maybe £8 if I was to buy it seperately.
And definately, if you're not gonna use it, flog it on ebay, someone will buy it.
:rolleyes:
IMO, don't bother with it.
why?? (I'm just about to fit it)
yorkie_chris
05-01-08, 01:28 AM
Waste of effort.
Single sided injectors get oil to both sides just fine, bikes with the original one have got some silly mileages out of chains. The dual thing, IMO is just a gimmick.
Red ones
05-01-08, 07:31 AM
PLease remember that if you set your Scottoiler so that the oil is just starting to fling at the back wheel - there is a HUGE mess on the front sprocket. Set it up so that the chain appears wet all the time, but NO MORE!
phil24_7
05-01-08, 01:34 PM
How much room does this take up?
I've already got a PCIII, an Autocom and a toolkit under the seat. The loom runs down the nearside of the rear subframe and I've got an alarm down the offside!
Regards
Phil
Here's the photos I said I'd take, bigger versions are available on my flickr.com account - address shown in my sig:
The RMV in under the seat. You can see the breather pipe goes rearwards and curls under that crosssmember just in front of the rear light. I zip-tied it at the very end. The clamp is bolted to the upright plastic side piece and there's loads of room at the bottom for the delivery pipe to meander about in. I mounted it high so I could fill it easily - I'm not bothered if it takes up bootspace.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2038/2169338572_a96af0772e.jpg?v=0
The vacuum connection, sorry about the crap shot. This was taken between the frame rails from the right side of the bike.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2322/2168547625_7f66d5b56e.jpg?v=0
The delivery pipe under the swingarm. I'll be doing away with the cable ties because I think they look crap. I'll be using brake line P-clips screwed into holes I'll be tapping in the swingarm
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2196/2169338780_4718c4ce96.jpg?v=0
Dualcyclone
05-01-08, 08:24 PM
The vacuum connection, sorry about the crap shot. This was taken between the frame rails from the right side of the bike.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2322/2168547625_7f66d5b56e.jpg?v=0
Have you removed the pipe and replaced it with the scottoiler pipe?
Because right it front of it is the spare vacuum connector on its larry!
Have you removed the pipe and replaced it with the scottoiler pipe?
Because right it front of it is the spare vacuum connector on its larry!
It's plugged into where I originally found it plugged into when I bought the bike. I removed the Scottoiler and plugged the pipe on the throttle body when I had plans to make a trackbike of it, but refitted it a little while ago into the same place. I haven't a clue what went on that brass spigot before, I presumed it was a rubber plug like the other one visible.
Either way, the Scottoiler works fine and the bike runs ok too, so I'm not bothered.
Dualcyclone
05-01-08, 09:05 PM
It's plugged into where I originally found it plugged into when I bought the bike. I removed the Scottoiler and plugged the pipe on the throttle body when I had plans to make a trackbike of it, but refitted it a little while ago into the same place. I haven't a clue what went on that brass spigot before, I presumed it was a rubber plug like the other one visible.
Either way, the Scottoiler works fine and the bike runs ok too, so I'm not bothered.
I assume it's the same - I have 2 spigots on both the front and rear cylinder, with a spare one on each. The other is utilised - has a tube running from both. Cant tell you where they go, so dont know what theyre for, but it looks as tho one of these tubes has been removed for your scottoiler... who knows!
I assume it's the same - I have 2 spigots on both the front and rear cylinder, with a spare one on each. The other is utilised - has a tube running from both. Cant tell you where they go, so dont know what theyre for, but it looks as tho one of these tubes has been removed for your scottoiler... who knows!
I'll pull my tank up tomorrow and have a look for the missing tube. A friend close by has an SV of the same year, so I may pop round and have a look at hers tomorrow too.
Thanks
I swopped my fuel tank for my ex's one today and while I was at it I checked out the vacuum connection on hers. She's plugged hers into the brass spigot that has the bung on in my shot, and the other spigot still has just a bung on. Apparently both are vacuum connections and neither had a pipe connected.
Dualcyclone
07-01-08, 05:05 PM
I swopped my fuel tank for my ex's one today and while I was at it I checked out the vacuum connection on hers. She's plugged hers into the brass spigot that has the bung on in my shot, and the other spigot still has just a bung on. Apparently both are vacuum connections and neither had a pipe connected.
Maybe I might have been mistaken then... I'm sure I saw a pipe coming out of one on each cylinder... I'll probs have a check later!
What year is yours? mines a K7
Dualcyclone
09-01-08, 10:30 PM
Hi guys...
I fitted my scottoiler (finally)... and took my bike out for a 30mile spin to hopefully get the thing rolling... I set the RMV to 2 i think.... and absolutely sod all came out!
I've set it to 5 now for the next run... but is there anything I might have done or am doing wrong?
Cheers
yorkie_chris
09-01-08, 10:30 PM
Have you primed it?
Dualcyclone
09-01-08, 10:33 PM
Have you primed it?
There was oil all the way as far as my dual applicator last night... I spent about 10 minutes blowing the breather to make sure the oil went the whole way! (the RMV was on prime setting so I figured this would be fine)
I dont think I broke the RMV doing this... I could see the valve opening and closing very easily... but I think the tube is narrow in the applicator... so my lungs werent strong enough to push it any further!
yorkie_chris
09-01-08, 10:36 PM
Applicators blocked then if you can't blow it through on prime. Take it off and slide a bit of fine wire or a needle into it.
Compressed air down the applicator would be better, (NOT into the RMV though, would probably turn it into a messy grenade!) or alternatively, I'll give you a bit of brass tube and you can make a proper delivery tube!
Dualcyclone
09-01-08, 10:41 PM
Applicators blocked then if you can't blow it through on prime. Take it off and slide a bit of fine wire or a needle into it.
Compressed air down the applicator would be better, (NOT into the RMV though, would probably turn it into a messy grenade!) or alternatively, I'll give you a bit of brass tube and you can make a proper delivery tube!
I'll try the fine wire trick tomorrow!
And I spent far too long tapping the swing arm to ditch the dual applicator so quickly!
The pursuit of perfection can sometimes be in vain!
If you're using the Scotty blue oil you'll probably need it somewhere round 5 in this weather.
Try setting it high and do a short ride (a few minutes) and see what happens.
It should drip out on prime without the engine running.
Maybe I might have been mistaken then... I'm sure I saw a pipe coming out of one on each cylinder... I'll probs have a check later!
What year is yours? mines a K7
Both mine and my ex's bikes are K3 nakeds, and both are silver...isn't that sweet :smt057
She bought hers after riding mine (after we'd split too), and it was the first decent one to come along.
Drew Carey
10-01-08, 08:51 AM
The easiest way I found to get the right amount was to prime it then set about half way and run the bike whilst stationary. Measure the drops and time them. In this weather I have a drop every 25 seconds and my chain is well lubed. In fact maybe a little too much, but I just regurly clean the sprockets and the wheel etc and its fine. The only problem I have had is the occasional stoppage, all I do is give the dual applicator a clean down, seems to be fine again after that. Even with the fiddling about, its so much easier than cleaning and lubing manually.
since this is a scottoiler thread, here's my question:
I'm about to fit one to my curvy, I've downloaded some pics, but is the vacuum marked in any way? I'm just a bit worried that I'll cut something else
yorkie_chris
10-01-08, 10:46 AM
No its not marked, its black hose, but you can just follow where its going.
I used the line coming off the back carb to the fuel valve. There's only 2 hoses go to the tank so its easy to figure it out.
Dualcyclone
10-01-08, 02:52 PM
No its not marked, its black hose, but you can just follow where its going.
I used the line coming off the back carb to the fuel valve. There's only 2 hoses go to the tank so its easy to figure it out.
I'd use one of the spigots off either the front or back cylinders - requires no cutting of pipes then!
yorkie_chris
10-01-08, 02:53 PM
Both the spigots on the back cylinder are connected to the fuelling system on the curvy.
The front one is a pig to get to.
Dualcyclone
10-01-08, 02:55 PM
The easiest way I found to get the right amount was to prime it then set about half way and run the bike whilst stationary. Measure the drops and time them. In this weather I have a drop every 25 seconds and my chain is well lubed. In fact maybe a little too much, but I just regurly clean the sprockets and the wheel etc and its fine. The only problem I have had is the occasional stoppage, all I do is give the dual applicator a clean down, seems to be fine again after that. Even with the fiddling about, its so much easier than cleaning and lubing manually.
You know I didnt even think of doing this - I prefered the ride for an hour and see if it's worked method :D
While its ****ing with rain I might give it a whirl now, cheers mate
Dualcyclone
10-01-08, 03:02 PM
Both the spigots on the back cylinder are connected to the fuelling system on the curvy.
The front one is a pig to get to.
Ah, this would explain what me and Lozzo were talking about!
I imagine at some point that one of the tubes was moved to the front in a later design!
Only need to take the airbox out tho
Drew Carey
10-01-08, 03:36 PM
You know I didnt even think of doing this - I prefered the ride for an hour and see if it's worked method :D
While its ****ing with rain I might give it a whirl now, cheers mate
I've now done about 2600 miles in two months since getting my bike, so timing it whilst doing miles isn't an issue, but I found with heavy rain and with the crud on roads at the moment its hard to tell how well it has oiled, so easiest way was to time it in the garage, then just keep an eye on the chain to make sure it is getting well lubed. If you get oil and grime dripping from around the sidestand, then it is probably too high, as the oil is collecting at the front sprocket.
yorkie_chris
10-01-08, 06:11 PM
The pointy doesn't run anything off the vacuum system, whereas the curvy has to supply the fuel tap and the fuel pump with good vacuum to run the engine.
Pointy has fuel pump in tank electrically driven so no need for either of these things. Hence no vacuum tubes to cut into, jsut covered over spigots for balancing.
chris8886
10-01-08, 07:34 PM
Ordered :D bloomin expensive P&P!!
Mike2165
11-01-08, 06:00 PM
OK, Im in the process of fitting the Scottoiler. The RMV I've installed behind the platic bit, near the shock. What I want to know (can't see the photos posted here) is, can I cut down the rigid plastic that feeds the injector, so I can have a neater install
OK, Im in the process of fitting the Scottoiler. The RMV I've installed behind the platic bit, near the shock. What I want to know (can't see the photos posted here) is, can I cut down the rigid plastic that feeds the injector, so I can have a neater install
Do you mean the thin hard plastic hose that goes into the top of the RMV? If so, yes. Cut it down to length.
Mike2165
11-01-08, 06:48 PM
Thank you Lozzo
mcireland
15-03-08, 12:10 PM
The pointy doesn't run anything off the vacuum system, whereas the curvy has to supply the fuel tap and the fuel pump with good vacuum to run the engine.
Pointy has fuel pump in tank electrically driven so no need for either of these things. Hence no vacuum tubes to cut into, jsut covered over spigots for balancing.
Hey folks, sorry to bring this thread back but im confused about a couple of things :confused:
The main one is what people think is the best way to bring the tubing and dispenser along the swingarm, I like the drilling idea but i dont have the tools or the confidence to do it right. Not into the cable ties around the swingarm or the plastic mounting sleeves either, my preferred idea is using the conduit along the underside of the swingarm and one of the plates,
I take it you just bend the plate in towards the chain, get a washer for it and can screw it into the bobbin holder....?
Should i glue the tubing into the conduit as well?
I presume its also ok to bend the harder part (with the white plastic) looking at Lozzo's pic?
The second thing is about what yorkie Chris said above, the spigots are the 2 little black caps on the rear cylinder facing forwards yes? Do i just pop the vacuum damper onto one of these and thats it?
Ideally, if anyone has any pics of their dispenser it would help me better than an explanation, a picture says a 1000words etc, pm me if you can help (and want to) :grin:
Now if only it would stop raining, fecking country :rolleyes:
Cheers :smt023
Hey folks, sorry to bring this thread back but im confused about a couple of things :confused:
The main one is what people think is the best way to bring the tubing and dispenser along the swingarm, I like the drilling idea but i dont have the tools or the confidence to do it right. Not into the cable ties around the swingarm or the plastic mounting sleeves either, my preferred idea is using the conduit along the underside of the swingarm and one of the plates,
You'll need to glue the conduit to the underside of the swingarm otherwise it will flap around and may get caught by the wheel. You don't want a nice steady supply of fresh oil on your tyre.
I take it you just bend the plate in towards the chain, get a washer for it and can screw it into the bobbin holder....?
Should i glue the tubing into the conduit as well?
I presume its also ok to bend the harder part (with the white plastic) looking at Lozzo's pic?
Screwing it through the bobbin mount is fine, and to bend the hard plastic tube you may need to warm it up a bit. Boiling water is good, or a hot-air gun. Don't bend it too sharp or you'll crush the pipe and restrict flow.
The second thing is about what yorkie Chris said above, the spigots are the 2 little black caps on the rear cylinder facing forwards yes? Do i just pop the vacuum damper onto one of these and thats it?
That's about the sum of it.
Ideally, if anyone has any pics of their dispenser it would help me better than an explanation, a picture says a 1000words etc, pm me if you can help (and want to) :grin:
I really must take some decent photos and email them to Scottoiler so they can use them in their tech section. Soulkiss recently did this with his Z750 because the ABS module is in the way where Scottoiler suggest it should be fitted.
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