Yes off you go sir. Thank you Ociffer

[plowsie]

Went out Friday night on the town with £7, walked into Casino it went down to £4.60, so there i was, able to stay at my mates(who i left my bike at securely) and therefore able to drink my night away on £4.60 :drink:

Oh yer my mate was broke too so the £4.60 stretched for both of us.

So as you can imagine, bit peeved off. We'd had a beer at his and had a few more in his fridge buttttt, you cant take your own alcohol to drink on the streets in town :( So we ended up having a half each. Went back to his about 2, i felt fine and said, you know i might aswell go home.

Put all me kit on, tootle off back home, coming across a roundabout by St James retail park and out of the corner of my eye I see a Police car on the exit next to me, decided to hammer it over the bridge as the view drops away from the roundabout to the next one. Anyway as i get to the next roundabout i think sod it, I've not got anything illegal about me or on me or the bike, so i slow right down and keep to the speeds, sure enough they catch up and sit on me for quarter of a mile then on come the lights arm out the window signals pull over.

"Evening Sir, can you take my helmet, we're stopping you for a routine check. Do you have your licence, insurance docs etc on you?" Handed them over and to hand i also had me restrictor docs on me, sure enough, "i notice your on a restricted licence also, do you have the relevant docs on you?" Handed it over, happy days, "is that all then?", "no sir could you quickly do a breath test for us please, have you been drinking?", to his amazement i said yer, he said "how many", just the one i said. Anyways took the test came out all good but was close according to him. So all was good, bid them goodnight and pootled off.

Purpose of this post is to show that they are:
1) Still quite very on the ball
2) On the ball with restrictor and licence checkings!

I suppose if I had've said no i may have had to take the bike somewhere for it to be tested on a dyno or whatever they do and show that with a producer.

[Smudge]

hello mate hows you is that a new bike i see you four pot trator

[plowsie]

I'm good son and indeed mate, see here (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=101730&highlight=plowsie) for new bike :)

[jumjum_0214]

If im gonna drive/ride I dont drink at all.

You were very lucky Plowsie.......imagine what could have happened!!! It doesnt bear thinking about.....

Glad it all worked out though.

[Luckypants]

You know what annoys me about a routine stop? Why they ask to see your docs? Bloody tax/ insurance / MOT is the damn computer and they can check it before they even stop you. The only thing they need to see is your license to verify you qualified and are the person insured. If you do not have the docs with you they give a producer!Why when they can check the bloody computer?

[/rant over]

Bet you glad you all legal though dude, real nice to 'do business' with the police when you you got all correct docs and bike.

[hovis]

i never carry my documents

[gettin2dizzy]

I've always got my particulars on me...

[5v5 rider]

i never carry my documents

Me neither.....might do from now on though

[yorkie_chris]

i never carry my documents

Me neither, if I did then they'd probably have got wet/covered in oil or something by now.

[Lozzo]

i never carry my documents

Nor me.

[Stingo]

Me neither!!:cool::D

[plowsie]

I dont tend to make a habbit of it but they were in my pocket from when i bought the bike.

[Fizzy Fish]

I always carry my docs with me - I have this theory that if you make yourself easy to deal with at the roadside in the event of being pulled over, it might help to avoid them taking further action! No idea if it's true, but it can't hurt to give an impression that everything is in order can it?

[Bluepete]

And the insurance database doesn't always work, the PNC for licence checks is FUBAR more often than not, and to cap it all, you had been drinking! And also, just 'cos the MID shows insurance, doesn't mean the insured person is the driver does it?
A good stop-check to be honest.

[yorkie_chris]

I don't want to risk taking my license counterpart etc, out with me.

Would a photocopy suffice?

[phil24_7]

Never show my docs at the roadside, even if I happen to have them, I'm always vary polite and helpful and rarely get a producer.

[Alpinestarhero]

Nor me.

Me neither, except both parts of my lisence...should I be carrying them all?

At least photocopies

Although they can check cant they?

Matt

[neio79]

I have never had any docs on me as they can check on the PNC and insurance DB,

here is a question for the police on here. Say you are pulled and you do have insurance etc, but it is not showing on the DB, and you dont have your docs on you. What do the police do then?

[Bluepete]

I have never had any docs on me as they can check on the PNC and insurance DB,

here is a question for the police on here. Say you are pulled and you do have insurance etc, but it is not showing on the DB, and you dont have your docs on you. What do the police do then?

Comes down to the officer. I get the driver to tell me the insurance co. and call them. Usually works. if we are close to the drivers home, I have been known to drive them there and look at the cert at home. Or get the driver to phone home, get wife/husband/partner to get the certificate and then I'll call the insurance co. to verify.
In office hours, I have never not been able to sort it out. After hours, a producer can still be given, and if they turn out not to be insured, I will still seize the car, just a few days later!

[Scoobs]

I have never had any docs on me as they can check on the PNC and insurance DB,

here is a question for the police on here. Say you are pulled and you do have insurance etc, but it is not showing on the DB, and you dont have your docs on you. What do the police do then?

This happened to me. I was pulled on a routine check and my bike was showing as not being insured. They asked who I was insured with and they phoned them there and then. My insurers asked to speak to me to check a few details and check that I was who I said I was (security questions) and they then told the officer I was insured with them.

[Ch00]

here is a question for the police on here. Say you are pulled and you do have insurance etc, but it is not showing on the DB, and you dont have your docs on you. What do the police do then?

A number of options are open to Police they are:-

1) Do nothing!
2) Phone the insurance company that you used.
3) Phone the Motor Insurance Beaurx (sp)
4) Give you a producer.
5) Stick you on and will have to produce it to the court
6) Give you a fixed pently ticket, and appeal it and produce it to the court.
7) 5 or 6 and seize your car!!

There you have it.

Ch00

[neio79]

This happened to me. I was pulled on a routine check and my bike was showing as not being insured. They asked who I was insured with and they phoned them there and then. My insurers asked to speak to me to check a few details and check that I was who I said I was (security questions) and they then told the officer I was insured with them.

oh fair enough. I had visions of them taking the bike and the rider having to pay to get it back!!

[neio79]

7) 5 or 6 and seize your car!!

There you have it.

Ch00


ok right asssuming you get a tube of a cop, and the car/ bike is seized. If it later is proven that you were insured can you persue the police to re emberse you the release fee etc?? as in my eyes you are paying for something that is a genuine error?

[Scoobs]

A number of options are open to Police they are:-

1) Do nothing!
2) Phone the insurance company that you used.
3) Phone the Motor Insurance Beaurx (sp)
4) Give you a producer.
5) Stick you on and will have to produce it to the court
6) Give you a fixed pently ticket, and appeal it and produce it to the court.
7) 5 or 6 and seize your car!!

There you have it.

Ch00

2,3 and 7 yes. All the rest probably no.

The officer that pulled me over would not even let me ride my bike after he pulled me over unless I could prove I was insured. He could have given me a producer but I would have had to leave my bike where it was, get home somehow, get my docs and get them to a police station and then go back and pick my bike up. PITA fo sho.

[yorkie_chris]

2,3 and 7 yes. All the rest probably no.

The officer that pulled me over would not even let me ride my bike after he pulled me over unless I could prove I was insured. He could have given me a producer but I would have had to leave my bike where it was, get home somehow, get my docs and get them to a police station and then go back and pick my bike up. PITA fo sho.

What a bell end.
What would happen if I was pulled 100s of miles from home? Supposed to take 3 days, spend £200 on train tickets and leave my bike stood at the side of a road for 2 days?

[Tiger 55]

What would happen if I was pulled 100s of miles from home?
Wait till he drives off, wait more until he comes back round the corner to check you are not riding away, then ride away.

[Paws]

I dont carry my docs on me either, all i carry is my plastic card of my licence bit.

[metalmonkey]

i never carry my documents

I don't carry any ID apart from the one I have to have all the time....

The plastic bit of the licence is fine, I wouldn't bother with anything else, I think its suspious if your carrying all your docs with you not normal.

I normally run everything through PNC, its quicker its a waste of time of giving a producer unless you have too. I will take your car/bike off you if you can't prove insurance or you in fact have a licence, but everything would be checked first. I'm not unreaonable, but I'm sure none of you want to be hit by someone with no insurance I don't want to be!

As I said Blue, ebike have been a problem a few times, where its come up no insurance,after an few checks yes they did, its the montly payment plan that is the issue.

All insurane companies should now be updating the datebase as they required to do so.

[yorkie_chris]

I'm thinking of putting photocopies of my documents in a baggy under the back seat.
Advantages/disadvantages? Possible problems if the bike was nicked?

[metalmonkey]

I'm thinking of putting photocopies of my documents in a baggy under the back seat.
Advantages/disadvantages? Possible problems if the bike was nicked?

Yer they know where u live, to rob ur house, bad idea.

[dizzyblonde]

I don't carry any ID apart from the one I have to have all the time....

The plastic bit of the licence is fine, I wouldn't bother with anything else, I think its suspious if your carrying all your docs with you not normal.

I normally run everything through PNC, its quicker its a waste of time of giving a producer unless you have too. I will take your car/bike off you if you can't prove insurance or you in fact have a licence, but everything would be checked first. I'm not unreaonable, but I'm sure none of you want to be hit by someone with no insurance I don't want to be!

As I said Blue, ebike have been a problem a few times, where its come up no insurance,after an few checks yes they did, its the montly payment plan that is the issue.

All insurane companies should now be updating the datebase as they required to do so.
I always have my license tucked in one of those plastic wallets from a ringbinder in my inside jacket pocket
You never carry ANY I.D?????:smt018. OK your vehicle has a reg plate, so that can say who the vehicle belongs to.
Let me put this to anyone who doesn't.......... you come off your bike and have an accident, your unconscious and end up in hospital. Now then to complicate things you are insured for any bike and the bike belongs to your mate. So when a vehicle check is done to find out who you are, you aren't the person riding the bike.

Now then who is this injured person, with no Identification??? well I don't know?? do you.
Not being patronising but, as bikers everyone should carry some sort of I. D on them incase, just in case anything bad should happen whilst on the road.
I look at this from a logical point of view and as a First Aider.


ooops just read you carry the plastic bit of your license, so i write this for all those who don't even do that

[missyburd]

I'm thinking of putting photocopies of my documents in a baggy under the back seat.
Advantages/disadvantages? Possible problems if the bike was nicked?

Almost as bad as Jeremy Clarkson there :rolleyes:

[metalmonkey]

I carry my work ID which is enough, which goes with me everywhere.

[yorkie_chris]

Almost as bad as Jeremy Clarkson there :rolleyes:

Explain?

[missyburd]

Explain?

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=102443 not exactly the same mebbe but still leaving your details about in vulnerable places...don;t mind me just my train of thought :rolleyes:

[orose]

Chris: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7174760.stm

I usually carry half my licence (the plastic card) with me, because if I need my AA cover they're supposed to check for a form of Photo ID (to stop a bunch of people being covered on a single personal membership). Haven't needed it yet though, luckily.

[Paws]

I always have my license tucked in one of those plastic wallets from a ringbinder in my inside jacket pocket
You never carry ANY I.D?????:smt018. OK your vehicle has a reg plate, so that can say who the vehicle belongs to.
Let me put this to anyone who doesn't.......... you come off your bike and have an accident, your unconscious and end up in hospital. Now then to complicate things you are insured for any bike and the bike belongs to your mate. So when a vehicle check is done to find out who you are, you aren't the person riding the bike.

Now then who is this injured person, with no Identification??? well I don't know?? do you.
Not being patronising but, as bikers everyone should carry some sort of I. D on them incase, just in case anything bad should happen whilst on the road.
I look at this from a logical point of view and as a First Aider.


ooops just read you carry the plastic bit of your license, so i write this for all those who don't even do that


after my accident im considering getting one of these made up:

http://www.mysosid.com/content.aspx?ContentID=1

[dizzyblonde]

after my accident im considering getting one of these made up:

http://www.mysosid.com/content.aspx?ContentID=1
exactly. you can also get dogtags made up too.
It fits in a jacket pocket. At least someone will find it. Also has a few extra stuff like, medication or medical problems that you may need or have. Its vital as a biker to carry I.D. In a car our more likely to have a handbag or your wallet in the glove compartment. Some people perhaps don't think of what may or may not happen on the road.
This perhaps a derail of thread to some but I think that its a worthwhile derail. I'll get off my soapbox now.

[Fizzy Fish]

i carry my donor card + emergency contact details in my jacket along with my documents. Oh, and about 20 half stamped Cafe Neros cards + an emergency £20...ooops! now you're all gonna try and mug me! :lol:

[plowsie]

I'm havin them Cafe Nero cards bagsy!

When on a ride out, like last North Wales, i told Stewie, that in my tank bag was my insurance docs with contacts for my girlfriend and my breakdown in the event of me not been able to talk or be concious!

[jumjum_0214]

here is a question for the police on here. Say you are pulled and you do have insurance etc, but it is not showing on the DB, and you dont have your docs on you. What do the police do then?[/quote]

They would more than likely give someone a producer to prove they are insured have a licence etc etc - BUT if PNC shows no insurance the Police can seize it there and then. The vehicle would be recovered and you will be expected to produce a valid insurance certificate (along with all your other docs) before you can get the vehicle back. Oh and pay the recovery/ storage cost 105 then X amount per day.

One of the main reasons insurance does not show up on PNC when the vehicle is actually insured is if there is a digit out on the insurance document. This has happened before so my top tip is

- Dig out your insurance certificate and just check the registration mark is the exact same as your bike-:smt015

:smt026:smt026:smt026:smt026

[plowsie]

Jumjum although you have a correct and fair point, i had a colleague who was given a producer, he was driving with no insurance, he never turned up, they never contacted him for whatever reason.

[neio79]

here is a question for the police on here. Say you are pulled and you do have insurance etc, but it is not showing on the DB, and you dont have your docs on you. What do the police do then?

They would more than likely give someone a producer to prove they are insured have a licence etc etc - BUT if PNC shows no insurance the Police can seize it there and then. The vehicle would be recovered and you will be expected to produce a valid insurance certificate (along with all your other docs) before you can get the vehicle back. Oh and pay the recovery/ storage cost 105 then X amount per day.

One of the main reasons insurance does not show up on PNC when the vehicle is actually insured is if there is a digit out on the insurance document. This has happened before so my top tip is

- Dig out your insurance certificate and just check the registration mark is the exact same as your bike-:smt015

:smt026:smt026:smt026:smt026[/quote]

ok assume that happens and you are insured bike taken , surely you could claim the money bcak from the police force as its their fault the PNC is not up to date?? I for one would be pursuing through a lawyer if it was me to recover costs,

[Hockeynut]

Never carry mine either.


Was a little surprised when I read you say that it was close, when you'd had only one drink a while ago.

What did you have to drink and how long before you rode after it?

If I have a pint of beer, I thought it had warn off again 2 hours later? O.o

[jumjum_0214]

ok assume that happens and you are insured bike taken , surely you could claim the money bcak from the police force as its their fault the PNC is not up to date?? I for one would be pursuing through a lawyer if it was me to recover costs,[/quote]

The fault lies with the insurance company. Not the Police.:smt026

You have more chance of getting the money out of a dead donkey than the Police. :smt015

[neio79]

The fault lies with the insurance company. Not the Police.:smt026

You have more chance of getting the money out of a dead donkey than the Police. :smt015


well who ever, but the policewould be responsible for taking away an insured bike wrongly. I would still be trying to recover my costs, either that or just break in and get it back ;)

[plowsie]

Never carry mine either.


Was a little surprised when I read you say that it was close, when you'd had only one drink a while ago.

What did you have to drink and how long before you rode after it?

If I have a pint of beer, I thought it had warn off again 2 hours later? O.o
As said in another thread it is down to how your body takes it, i hadnt eaten on Friday night until i eventually got up in the morning therfore i hadnt eaten since the lunchtime, i had had 1 and a half the 1 i had at 9.30ish and the half at about 12 or summit, dont ask me why it was close(apparently) but maybe i'm just a lightweight.

[Smudge]

i dought they'd say or your miles off you could of had another mate,thereboundtosay oooh thats close, they want to discourage ya

[josefine666]

hehe, its funny how most of the time they accept a piece of paper to say the bike is restricted...i did all my 2 yr period fully restricted, but by bf rode to the nearest car park after having his restricted and de-restricted it quicker then the garage who put it in....he had paper work to say he was all legal...luckily never had it dyno'd
my bf's brother also did the same with his bmw 650gs, then had a huge accident, they didnt check that either....luckily!

just shows if u have paperwork, they dont rlly care!