Fitting motosliders

[N8te rider]

Hi all. Got my first crash bungs (nice). Want to fit frame bungs myself. Any one fitted them before? Read a few links about how hard it is to undo the frame bolts. Any tips or cautions?
Cheers

[yorkie_chris]

Don't lever your bike off its stand if they're tight. Use a solid breaker bar and a 6 point socket and use a hammer to shock it loose.

[Luckypants]

I fitted motosliders to my bike. Ditto what Chris said, use a breaker bar and quality sockets so as not to damage the nuts. Was easy with a breaker bar.

You will also need a good torque wrench to set the correct torque ('tightness') on the bolts when the sliders are installed.

[yorkie_chris]

Remember the torques given in haynes or elsewhere are dry torques, if you choose to use anti-sieze grease on the threads then reduce the torque a little accordingly. (I reduce by 10% when using copperslip and can be rsed using a torque wrench)

[N8te rider]

Cheers guys. Don't have those in my tool kit. Would these be OK to use?
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/pro77-1-2in-drive-breaker-bar

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/pro77-1-2in-drive-breaker-bar

[Luckypants]

Ideal. But they are half inch drive, so you will probably need to get the right sockets to fit a half inch drive (most socket sets are 3/8th drive).

I did that with mine. Think you need a 17mm and 15mm socket IIRC

[yorkie_chris]

Yup they'll do.

Personally I use a 1/2 drive T-bar with a bit of pipe over the end of it, just because it's handier.

[yorkie_chris]

Ideal. But they are half inch drive, so you will probably need to get the right sockets to fit a half inch drive (most socket sets are 3/8th drive).

1/2" drive is better for big bolts like that IMO, broke quite a few 3/8" ones (albeit cheapo's) trying to beast things like this.

[Luckypants]

1/2" drive is better for big bolts like that IMO, broke quite a few 3/8" ones (albeit cheapo's) trying to beast things like this.

Agree 100%, was just pointing out that the OP might need to buy sockets to fit the breaker bar is all. Not sure you can get a decent breaker bar in 3/8th drive for that reason anyway.

[yorkie_chris]

Depending how much work gets done its worth knowing you can buy sockets individually from motor factors / engineers supply if you don't want to splash out for a full set.

[N8te rider]

The instructions say I need to use 65 ft-lbs and locking agent

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=88441&highlight=fitting+motosliders

Think UK torque wrenches use Nm. anyone know what 65 ft-lbs is in Nm?

[Luckypants]

The instructions say I need to use 65 ft-lbs and locking agent

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=88441&highlight=fitting+motosliders

Think UK torque wrenches use Nm. anyone know what 65 ft-lbs is in Nm?
Both of mine have both scales on them. I'll let the engineery types do the conversion for you, bit if no one does (yorkie_chris seems busy on here today :cool:) I can go out and look what my two scale wrench thinks it is. YMMV.

[northwind]

If you're going to Machine Mart they do a fairly good, big 1.2 inch torque wrench which helpfully comes with a 3/8 convertor, it's about £15 I think and good enough for most bike work (though don't use it for low values!). You might need fairly deep sockets too, since the end ofthe bolt can stick way out.

[N8te rider]

So, looks like I will need:

19mm 6-point 1/2 inch socket
17mm 6-point 1/2 inch socket
1/2 inch torque wrench
1/2 inch breaker bar
Copper slip
locking agent

Is that right?

[yorkie_chris]

Somebody call for an engineery type?

65lbf ft = 88 Nm is

Don't use red loctite on both ends otherwise you'll never get them off.

I'll let somebody else say whether you should use copperslip or not. I don't think loctite is necessary myself, as its pretty tight, and I check bolts regularly.

Deep sockets would help, when we fitted dizzyblondes the bolt stuck out quite a lot, somebody mentioned this further up.

Also a 1/2 extension bar, as even a deep socket won't go down the middle of the slider far enough.

[northwind]

I think both nust are nylocs, I certainly didn't threadlock them, then, I don't threadlock very much since I take teh entire bike apart about once a month anyway :rolleyes:

[N8te rider]

I think they are nylocs. One side is already attached to the bolt. Sounds like I shouldn't use locking agent incase I need to remove them at some point, like if I drop it and need to replace the sliders?

Although, if this is the bolt that holds part of the engine in place shouldn't it be locked tight?

[yorkie_chris]

Yes it should be locked tight.

But loctite doesn't mean its locked tight, IMO just torque it down right.

[N8te rider]

Thanks very much guys. Appreciate all the tips. Will try and get them on this weekend then down to box hill for a blast.

[N8te rider]

Just had a thought. instead of copper slip, would WD40 help undo the bolts?

[yorkie_chris]

To get the old ones out?

In that case use proper penetrant oil.

For use as an anti-sieze then I wouldn't try it. Wait for professional advice as to what to use, if in doubt use the blue loctite as per the instructions.
Where's spanner man when you need him? :-P

[dizzyblonde]

out of interest Mr.Rider where did you aquire the motosliders from? It appears i can only find them on a U.S site. the last set I got off Luckypants, but now I need some for the other bike too.

[yorkie_chris]

Get them from the US site, they're about £55 IIRC

Maultin got some recently, they arrived in decent time.

[maultin]

Nathan,

i am the 1st to admit - i am a complete spanner virgin, but i managed to fit the frame & swingarm sliders in about 10 minutes.
the swingarm sliders are really easy. straight off with the old fittings & straight on with the sliders.

for the frame you will need a torque wrench & a very long 19mm socket. the standard length socket was too short so i got one from a local car accesories shop for less than £5. just make sure you have the torque set correctly as per the instructions.

they look really good on as well.
somewhere to rest ur legs on long motorway journeys :p

Alan

[maultin]

Dizzyblonde, i got the sliders from motosliders, who just happens to be a member of the forum under the same name. if you message him i think he will do you a forum discount. The guy is actually called Nate.

Alan

[N8te rider]

Nathan,

i am the 1st to admit - i am a complete spanner virgin, but i managed to fit the frame & swingarm sliders in about 10 minutes.
the swingarm sliders are really easy. straight off with the old fittings & straight on with the sliders.

for the frame you will need a torque wrench & a very long 19mm socket. the standard length socket was too short so i got one from a local car accesories shop for less than £5. just make sure you have the torque set correctly as per the instructions.

they look really good on as well.
somewhere to rest ur legs on long motorway journeys :p

Alan

Alan

Did you use any anti sieze fluid to get the frame bolts off or locktite for the new one?

N

[maultin]

no & no :)

bolts came off easy with a run of the mill socket set.
didnt use any locktite. thought about it but then decided that would be a pain if ever i am unlucky enough to have to get them off.
i would rather just use the torque wrench every so often to make sure they are still at the correct tightness

Alan

[yorkie_chris]

I think you have your wires a bit crossed here mate...

Penetrating fluid/oil = WD40 (not good at it), plusgas, TT+, duck oil etc.

Used for freeing stuck fasteners

Anti sieze compound/ grease = usually copper/moly based grease

Put on threads before assembly to stop corrosion siezing them on (hence anti sieze) Have to reduce torque wrench settings so as not to shear bolts. (I reduce by 10% if I bother with torque wrench at all)

Loctite = comes in various grades, basically a glue to stop fasteners vibrating off

[N8te rider]

Oops. Cheers yorkie_chris. still learning. major newbie

[maultin]

me too on the major newbie front - i understood almost none of that :)

[dizzyblonde]

Nathan,

i am the 1st to admit - i am a complete spanner virgin, but i managed to fit the frame & swingarm sliders in about 10 minutes.
the swingarm sliders are really easy. straight off with the old fittings & straight on with the sliders.

for the frame you will need a torque wrench & a very long 19mm socket. the standard length socket was too short so i got one from a local car accesories shop for less than £5. just make sure you have the torque set correctly as per the instructions.

they look really good on as well.
somewhere to rest ur legs on long motorway journeys :p

Alan
yes can totoally agree, you can turn our SV into a cruiser with motosliders. FOund it very good relieving cramp trip to France, shoving me legs up on them.heheehhe

[N8te rider]

Hi guys. got motosliders on in under half an hour. thanks for all your tips. great forum this

[maultin]

told you they were easy !!!
and being short of leg, i can use them as rests on the motorway withour fear of snarling myself up in the front wheel :D