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sv_rider1990
11-01-08, 08:44 PM
I got told today that SV650S are Girls bikes i was angered why are they being reffered to as a girls bike reputation?? Theres nothing girly that i know of about them lol!
I got told today that SV650S are Girls bikes i was angered why are they being reffered to as a girls bike reputation?? Theres nothing girly that i know of about them lol!
They get called girls bikes by guys who need 1000cc's between their legs to feel like men. They reckon that makes up for their lack of p*nis;)
sv_rider1990
11-01-08, 08:49 PM
True very true! Well i dont know why i took notice this guy owned a Renault Clio about a 91 addition. It was trying to be something off "Pimp my ride" but turned out incredibly wrong and looked ridiculous. Does it have the reputation of being a girls bike as this was the first time ive heard it said.
Call me strange, but I can have good fun with someone who calls my bike a girls bike ;) ;)
Usually said by weekend warriors I find..
They get called girls bikes by guys who need 1000cc's between their legs to feel like men. They reckon that makes up for their lack of p*nis;)
:smt039
Poor Girth:(
Would you like me to make you one out of an old washing up liquid bottle and some sticky-backed plastic:p
SV Rider, they are referred to as girls bikes because their light weight and low seat height make them especially suitable for ladies who generally tend to be lighter and shorter than guys.
Poor Girth:(
Would you like me to make you one out of an old washing up liquid bottle and some sticky-backed plastic:p
"here's one i made earlier"
:smt046
fizzwheel
11-01-08, 09:06 PM
People who say that only say it because they don't know any better.
In my experience the sort of person who says that rides a sportsbike fast in a straight line, has mahoosive chicken strips, has all the gear but no idea and thinks a riding season comprises of riding to the nearest bike meet with their mates and talking loudly about how they got their knee down, how fast they are etc etc when they clearly have the riding ability of a small snail.
SV Rider, they are referred to as girls bikes because their light weight and low seat height make them especially suitable for ladies who generally tend to be lighter and shorter than guys.
even though its just as high as most not a girls bike its a great bike to have and i do not regret for a second owning my old one.
SV Rider, they are referred to as girls bikes because their light weight and low seat height make them especially suitable for ladies who generally tend to be lighter and shorter than guys.
Errm shirley you've missed out the other reason girls like them, something to do with V twin vibration I believe :cool: :-D
Errm shirley you've missed out the other reason girls like them, something to do with V twin vibration I believe :cool: :-D
Well, that certainly doesn't hurt;)
dizzyblonde
11-01-08, 09:20 PM
quote Im Indoors
you know your bike, well, its for girls
he's always saying it-tongue in cheek-bearing in mind that he bought it first and it always comes in handy when the raptor breaks down. Also when he does borrow one of mine it feels like a toy bike
busasean
11-01-08, 09:22 PM
They get called girls bikes by guys who need 1000cc's between their legs to feel like men. They reckon that makes up for their lack of p*nis;)
erm...... best sell my 1050 tiger and hayabusa then.........;)
I'm quicker point to point on my unfaired SV than I was on my Daytona 955i. There's nothing gurlie about kicking a power-ranger's ar$e on a good twisty road on a bike that's giving away 70bhp, 2 cylinders and 50mph. It's even better when they find out the SV weighs about the same as a Gixer Thou.
erm...... best sell my 1050 tiger and hayabusa then.........;)
Nah...............they are both OVER 1000 cc's. They don't count;)
Nah...............they are both OVER 1000 cc's. They don't count;)
does at mean my weedy 600cc (and 123 BHP :smt096) is ok as well :-s
-Ralph-
11-01-08, 09:50 PM
this guy owned a Renault Clio
Well if ever there was a car marketed at girls - Nicole! Papa!
I'm quicker point to point on my unfaired SV than I was on my Daytona 955i
I'm quicker on most B roads than my neighbour on his 955. Not 'cos he can't ride, but 'cos he just can't switch direction as quick. He can do any single bend just as fast as me, but on a double 'S' bend he would end up in a field on the second one.
The SV's a great bike and I've looked long and hard at a bigger, "better", bike, but in Scotland with the roads I like riding, it's a fantastic wee machine. I need lightweight and flickability, not power. A sports 600 would give me that but its got too one many cylinders ;), my wife wouldn't be happy about the pilllion seat, and I wouldn't be too happy with high rearsets and low clip on's either. Group 10 insurance is nice too.
Other than the fact the suspensions rubbish and it rots like an austin allegro at the first sign of salt, it has enough good points to stop me rushing out and changing it.
I got told today that SV650S are Girls bikes i was angered why are they being reffered to as a girls bike reputation?? Theres nothing girly that i know of about them lol!
They may have been refering to my riding skills at the last N Wales rideout.
does at mean my weedy 600cc (and 123 BHP :smt096) is ok as well :-s
Hmmmm, I'll have to think about that one:p
:):):)
Hmmmm, I'll have to think about that one:p
:):):)
well be sure to let me know please!! LOL
They get called girls bikes by guys who need 1000cc's between their legs to feel like men. They reckon that makes up for their lack of p*nis;)
Now I'm confused, I ride a Yam MT-03 660cc single (less power than the SV but loads more torque at lower RPM) most of the time and me Gixer thou (lots more power and torque than the SV) the rest of the time for a giggle. ;) I still miss me SV though.
.... but I ride really slow anyway.
plowsie
11-01-08, 11:24 PM
*Remembers back to when we tore up the sportsbikes in North Wales in September last year*
(Call it a girls bike now you tarty straight liner!)
Oh goody,
The SV is a girls bike topic again. Haven't had this one for, ooooh, at least three months or so. Must be a record. :lol:
plowsie
11-01-08, 11:28 PM
it got started the other day, Ape, what top speed you get outta your SV when you had it......?
ArtyLady
11-01-08, 11:31 PM
I got told today that SV650S are Girls bikes i was angered why are they being reffered to as a girls bike reputation?? Theres nothing girly that i know of about them lol!
Ignore them, they're all just jealous :rolleyes: :lol:
If the SV is a girls bike because girls ride them, then its also a Granny's bike because I ride one ;) :lol:
Just waiting for the all thou riders are cr@p thread.... again. So what if it's true ;)
fizzwheel
12-01-08, 11:09 AM
Just waiting for the all thou riders are cr@p thread.... again. So what if it's true ;)
Closely followed by the IL4's have no low down grunt or mid range torque thread per chance ? ;)
northwind
12-01-08, 02:08 PM
I call mine a girly bike all the time... I think it's great, nothing quite like outrunning someone on a manly R1 or similiar on a girl's bike :D The SV has no expectations, ride a "man's bike" and no matter how quick you are people will assume it's just the bike.
Dualcyclone
12-01-08, 02:21 PM
True very true! Well i dont know why i took notice this guy owned a Renault Clio about a 91 addition. It was trying to be something off "Pimp my ride" but turned out incredibly wrong and looked ridiculous. Does it have the reputation of being a girls bike as this was the first time ive heard it said.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
Did you point out that he was driving a Clio... A car bought by Papa for their Daughter Nicole?
If there is a girly bike out there, it has to be a Buell Streetfighter... wtf is going on with the transparent plastic on the tank?
Dangerous Dave
12-01-08, 02:39 PM
I don't care about what the straight line power rangers think, I enjoy hunting down GSXR/CBR/ZXR/YZR's on the back roads. The fact is I can catch them, pass them, and lose them on a bike that weighs the same and makes a little over 80bhp.
Its not the bike that makes you fast, its knowing how to ride!
yorkie_chris
12-01-08, 03:14 PM
wtf is going on with the transparent plastic on the tank?
Cheaper than a fuel gauge?
DoubleD
12-01-08, 06:16 PM
*Remembers back to when we tore up the sportsbikes in North Wales in September last year*
(Call it a girls bike now you tarty straight liner!)
If I remember correctly you were all on TL1000's and a prototype 1400 :smt081
sv-robo
12-01-08, 06:22 PM
Its not the bike that makes you fast, its knowing how to ride!
100% agreed.:thumright:
Ceri JC
14-01-08, 04:40 PM
It's funny seeing the litre sportbike owners faces when they've been trounced by a girl's bike.
"That the thou mate?"
"Nope, 650, it's quick enough for me"
*looks of disbelief exchanged between weekend warriors*
Usual disclaimer: Yes, there are some people who can ride a modern litre sportsbike appreciably faster on the road than they could a 600/750 (aside from in a straight line down an empty motorway), but the are definately a minority and very few of this minority come from the ranks of the weekend warriors.
plowsie
14-01-08, 04:56 PM
Well i took the **** outta 3 bikes on way to football when i had the SV. From my advanced point whilst approaching that i could see from, I saw clear road towards the inside of this corner, I deemed it safe to overtake on the bend as they were all stupidly bunched up one on a ZX10 the other on an old Gixer 750 and the other on a ZX6R, they however didnt as they proceeded to follow me and decide to give me abuse as i pulled into football, that morning i skipped football and stuck to their tails around the rutland ring, with a full rucksack on my back and them only being able to leave me on straights. They pulled in at a petrol stop and the guy on the 10 at the back walked over to me and I said, now you see why i was passing you? He still said no, i went on to tell him that i ride every day and told him that they need to work on corner speed as riding isnt a drag race. They were stop start for corners.
Alpinestarhero
14-01-08, 05:01 PM
They get called girls bikes by guys who need 1000cc's between their legs to feel like men. They reckon that makes up for their lack of p*nis;)
Its true. The reality is, its only a girls bike if its a pointy
i'm only kidding, dont get upset now
My old man is very respectfull of SV's after riding mine, as are his mates...and they ride bikes ranging from gsxr750's to kawasaki ZX12-R's. The real reality is that if you can outride people who own bigger bikes on a humble SV, then you are more of a man than they are. Isnt that right, Blue_SV650s?
I love my SV, its a mans bike. Carbs, bit wobbly suspension, bit heavier than supersports bikes, needs more muscle to get it round bends
Matt
see now i have experianced both ans yes 90% is down to the rider and their skill. BUT, while the 650 is great for sticking it into corners and not worring about gears etc due to its tourque, and yes my 6R takes more dancing on its gearbox to keep it in the powerband. I can say i am quicker in corners and in general on th ZX than i ws wit hthe SV. This is because it has far better suspension and braking, this it sticks to the road better and i can brake just as late if not lter on it. Also this thing just loves to be on its side in corners, i think it is happier cornering than it is on a straight. So from my experiance i am faster on a SS600 than i was v-twin. (not that that is quick anyway!! ) And if i keep it in say second in a corner once its up and out on the straight its virtually into the power and bang, see you 110+ BHP straight out the rear wheel!!
sv_rider1990
14-01-08, 05:21 PM
Lol i didnt have a clue why they had that reputation or if it is a reputation i was just curious if it was a reputation if you get what i mean lol!
Jools'SV Now
14-01-08, 05:49 PM
Girls bike eh?
Where's stephen Fry when you need him?:
.....and now for a round of General Ignorance;)
ASM-Forever
14-01-08, 06:03 PM
Whilst i'll be the first to admit that some sportsbike riders are idiots, it does seem that SV riders have a bit of a chip on their collective shoulder.
I used to have a bit of a 'small bike mentality' when i had my 2-strokes and i used to love 'beating up bigger better bikes'. In reality though its all well and good to spout tales....but were the other people really racing you? Or were they out for a leisurely spin?
I've ridden with a number of SV's and they don't seem to have any problems keeping/making pace in a spirited ride. The only difference i find is that if i'm on a rideout with SV' then i usually dont have to work the gears as much and can be lazy with selection. I have ridden with a few thousands and i was up/down the gears to keep pace.
At the end of the day we all have bikes because we love them, so lets not judge people by what they ride.
At the end of the day we all have bikes because we love them, so lets not judge people by what they ride.
No i now have a SS600, so therefore must be knob who knows nothing about riding in anything other than a straigh line and i only go out at weekends :rolleyes: LOL
Biker Biggles
14-01-08, 06:41 PM
I rather like my girls bike,so I am now getting worried about my manhood.
Am I becoming a bit of a puff in my spare time?Does anyone mind?:D
What I find amusing is that SV650 owners are often talking about how they can keep up with 600 sports bikes and the 600 boys over on the Ninja forums are always going on about how they can beat litre super bikes on their ZX-6R's.
So the conclusion must be that an SV650 is quicker than a GSXR1000 yet Suzuki don't use them in WSBK and the TT?
Having had the advantage of riding all three I know which of the three is the quickest and which is the slowest and I think either people are telling fibs or they are deliberately going out and racing people that have just passed their DAS.
I think there is a lot of BS going around on the web and I just ignore it. People called my SV a girls bike when I had it but I didn't care as I enjoyed riding it and just because the low seat height encourages female owners that shouldn't be a reason to look down on the bike. At the very least that is insulting to female owners.
I mean were Abba or the Pet Shop Boys sh*t just because they have a lot of gay fans? No of course not but people that are obsessed with their image won't listen to them just because they are worried about what other people think. The same happens with the SV.
To be honest if a person is that image conscious they should quit biking and buy an Audi TT! As I said in another thread, this whole obsession about a bikes image is a symptom of all the ex performance car owners invading biking. They are obsessed with the image where as old school bikers don't care.
plowsie
14-01-08, 07:07 PM
Now i never said that their bikes are slow, but i assume that the guys that i followed had just got their bike, passed their test or just like speed in straight lines. I know the SV is no comp for SS600s as i am an owner of a CBR and am ready and waiting to de-restrict that :D
northwind
14-01-08, 07:09 PM
So from my experiance i am faster on a SS600 than i was v-twin. (not that that is quick anyway!! ) And if i keep it in say second in a corner once its up and out on the straight its virtually into the power and bang, see you 110+ BHP straight out the rear wheel!!
So would most people be, once they get used to the IL4's different characteristics... 2 riders of equal, reasonable skill, one on a stock SV and one on a stock GSXR, it's not even a fight. Unless you're on a go-kart track I suppose, perhaps, or a ploughed field. I think the SV's easier to ride reasonably quickly for a relatively unskilled rider but that doesn't last long. And some people just suit the SV more than others, I'm sure there's people on here that would be faster on an SV than a GSXR thou just because they'd be more comfortable with it, some people never get used to the higher power.
I think SVs and smaller bikes in general make better riders out of people who try to go fast on them... Almost everyone I know who started out on a 600 or better has ended up essentially a lazy rider, carrying much less corner speed then punching out the other side- why take that corner at 50 when you can take it at 30 then go up to 50 in the blink of an eye afterwards.
But this whole SV rider > GSXR rider, it's obvious nonsense surely.
Alpinestarhero
14-01-08, 07:13 PM
lots of very good points
I have no trouble keeping up with my dad
Until he decides that he wants to go at his pace, at which point I have no chance
Matt
Biker Biggles
14-01-08, 07:20 PM
Im good enough to keep up with myself.
I try to remain in contact with my bike while Im doing it.
All the rest is BS.;)
Now i never said that their bikes are slow, but i assume that the guys that i followed had just got their bike, passed their test or just like speed in straight lines. I know the SV is no comp for SS600s as i am an owner of a CBR and am ready and waiting to de-restrict that :D
He said Supersport I believe you have the CBR600F. Not sure that qualifies as a supersport. Thought that was more of a cruiser these days. :wink:
Hey only joking. I used to own such a motorcycle many moons ago. :lol:
plowsie
14-01-08, 07:32 PM
It is rather true that Ape lol.
yorkie_chris
14-01-08, 07:34 PM
Having had the advantage of riding all three I know which of the three is the quickest and which is the slowest and I think either people are telling fibs or they are deliberately going out and racing people that have just passed their DAS.
66bhp, cheap suspension vs 120bhp, sports suspension is only going to go one way with equal riders.
However, there are a minority of SS bike riders who have to have the latest thou, latest tyres, loud lid, race rep leathers, yet can't ride for toffee. Anyone in any field of sport who just shows off the latest kit and a massive credit card bill is going to be laughed at. See here;
http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=1337086&postcount=1
That pretty well shows why I find power rangers hilarious.
Had a similar thing at the local off roading spot, some feller turns up with a sparkly clean cota 4RT, towed behind a sparkly clean M3, puts on the full montesa trials gear with all the sponsors patches and the lot, then proceeded to rev the bike up, dump the clutch and land on his ar$e. :mrgreen:
The whole carpark erupted in laughter...
It's not sports bikes that are the butt of the joke, its the minority of people who buy them for pose value over anything else.
Surely those that resent people for having a nice bike and gear are as bad as those people themselves? Is it jealousy? Why can't people have a nice car or bike but not drive/ride it fast, dangerously or illegally?
There are a lot of people buying large sports bikes but riding them slowly. If they are enjoying themselves though it is surely ok? Also one mans "slowly" is another mans "safely"?
What I find amusing is that SV650 owners are often talking about how they can keep up with 600 sports bikes and the 600 boys over on the Ninja forums are always going on about how they can beat litre super bikes on their ZX-6R's.
.
Yeah its true i can :rolleyes:. This one time at Race camp I totaly whooped Stoner and Rossi, from a standing start into the first turn, on nothing more than my standard ZX6R. I tell you its true i did!! ;)
Dicky Ticker
14-01-08, 07:48 PM
I like the contributions from the "CBR the new SV" and "What bike will I have next" forums
If the are so fantastic why have you or do you want to change them?
Being of the small pe---s brigade I find,its not what you've got but what you do with it, a bit like bikes. A large bike fits my size better ,doesn't make me a better rider,but when pushed I think I can keep with an SV easier than if riding one.Some riders are better than others,some bikes faster,some handle better,its all part of the human equation that makes biking fun. I change bikes because I either bend them or get bored and I have yet to find the "Perfect" bike,but my present bike does me fine
<comes to thread late>
Er, the SV650 *is* _total_ chickwheels. Anyone who says it's not is deluding himself.
<comes to thread late>
Er, the SV650 *is* _total_ chickwheels. Anyone who says it's not is deluding himself.
Cool, since girls ride them that means we can talk to more girls about their bikes too.
whilst all the power rangers can talk to men who wear leather if they want...
I like girls... and girls who ride girl bikes.
northwind
14-01-08, 07:58 PM
There are a lot of people buying large sports bikes but riding them slowly. If they are enjoying themselves though it is surely ok?
:smt045 Course, you could reasonably say that you're wasting money buying the latest race rep thou then riding it in a manner and pace you could achieve on a 98 ZX6R or similiar... Or point out that there are other bikes that are far better at going slow, since the race reps all make sacrifices of practicality and comfort in favour of handling and speed. And I suppose both are true. But at the end of the day, who cares? It's not like there's a finite number of bikes and these guys are selfishly using precious R1s that would be better placed in the hands of a track day fanatic.
yorkie_chris
14-01-08, 08:04 PM
Quite the opposite, they're selflessly sacrificing their money, and the integrity of their ar$es so the manufacturers have more money to develop newer bikes for the people who will ride them to their potential :p
It's not like there's a finite number of bikes and these guys are selfishly using precious R1s that would be better placed in the hands of a track day fanatic.
If anything they're generously splashing their money on brand new bikes, thus ensuring a steady supply of low mileage never-been-thrashed sportsbikes in the used market. God bless 'em, one and all.
Come on Ogden, You and I both know that 95% of the people we've ridden with in the past would be just as fast (or slow) on something half the size. Most people can't use the power of their litrebike or make good use of the handling so the bikes are wasted on them.
You and I ain't slow, but we're not in the top league of people we now from elsewhere, are we? In truth, the SVs we have are more than enough to keep with most people most days, and beat most people most days. Both of us can outride most people on what we have.
You might regard the SV as chickwheels, but my nob is big enough that I don't need a litre bike to make me feel more of a man.
TBH it got nothing to do with getting a bike to compensate for anything, people buy bikes for dif reasons, a litre SB might well suit x more than the SV and visa versa . Now i would never say the SV is a girls bike far from it. But experiancing both I prefer my ZX6R, its better at almost everything, bar the sound and its not because i think it compsates for anyhting or i feel the need to keep up with image or boasting about this and that on it. I got it because i wanteda newer bike and a better challange for myself and to me it is the best looking bike out there. yes i wanteed something that was bit quicker , is that a crime? Its personal choice at the end of the day, and i love the fact i have to rev the tits of mine to get it to go quick (well really quick) itsa buzz and an adreniline rush.
I think mst people on here who have slated SS600 riders or 1000CC riders have not experianced both and therefore can form a balanced argument.
charlie13
14-01-08, 10:27 PM
I like the idea that ogden puts forward, when I can finally afford the insurance on a bigger bike i'll have plenty of pristine examples to choose from. And i'll probably buy another newer sv ;)
metalmonkey
14-01-08, 10:31 PM
Its not the bike that makes the rider good, its the rider that makes the bike any good. But we all know that!
Who cares what people say, some at work decided to tell me how crap my riding was but since they don't ride how would they know:smt075? Same thing goes for the w/end warrors who have never been on an SV and probally never will. There loss, our gain:D
Well I've had 600's incl sv650 as well as 1000's, so has my wife (in fact the sv was hers).
People who jibe at those with 1000 bikes (and assume they are weekenders)are no better than those who jibe at the SV. You get the bike you want. I never liked the SV but I never slagged it off. It just wasn't for me. I loved my Triumph Daytona and like my gixer even more, but I also liked my old FZR600. Just choice. Not a compensation thing, that's just sour grapes Lissa ;):D. I've got four kids that's sufficient display for me! :cool:;) Not that I'm being defensive you understand. :smt045
21QUEST
14-01-08, 10:37 PM
Oh goody,
The SV is a girls bike topic again. Haven't had this one for, ooooh, at least three months or so. Must be a record. :lol:
Indeedy, and it's only January hehe
<comes to thread late>
Er, the SV650 *is* _total_ chickwheels. Anyone who says it's not is deluding himself.
As the man says...FACT. A gurly bike it is. Deal with it people :smt045 haha
Anyhoos, if we are to say, that people who ride SS bikes etc have smaller knobs...inferring that SV riders have bigger knobs lol, I must be King d_ick :confused: :mrgreen:
Yup, got tired of riding a gurly bike so I swapped it for a Honda 250cc bike...Honda Foreskin errrr Foresight to be precise. Now, who's the Daddy :rolleyes: :p ;)
Ben
-Ralph-
14-01-08, 10:45 PM
In my experience the bigger the road, the more advantage a powerful bike gets.
Stories of SV's beating gixxer 600's are down to the better rider being on the SV, combined with a twisty B road.
Equally talented riders both accumstomed to thier own bikes would be fairly evenly matched. Power is completely pointless on a tight twisty road and the SV's suspension doesn't make it corner slower, it just requires more faith and confidence in the bike. Decent suspension only makes fast cornering easier and arguably a bit safer I suppose.
A Rospa instructor and British Superstock racer chased after, overtook and completely embarassed a pair of litre sportsbike riders on one of his riding schools CBF500's, 'cos they buzzed a set of newbies on one of his arranged rideouts. It was on the A708 in the Scottish Borders and he was sitting on a wall with his lid off having a fag by the time they caught him. They weren't newbies and they were trying!
Put the SV and a gixxer on a wide sweeping A road however and the gixxer will win every time, regardless of rider talent.
So for those who say they can beat a gixxer hands down on thier SV as soon as they get a sniff of a corner, cut the BS.
For those who say they used to have an SV, but their new sportsbike is quicker in every situation, sell your sportsbike, buy another SV and learn how to bl00dy ride!
The truth lies somewhere in between.
Well I've had 600's incl sv650 as well as 1000's, so has my wife (in fact the sv was hers).
People who jibe at those with 1000 bikes (and assume they are weekenders)are no better than those who jibe at the SV. You get the bike you want. I never liked the SV but I never slagged it off. It just wasn't for me. I loved my Triumph Daytona and like my gixer even more, but I also liked my old FZR600. Just choice. Not a compensation thing, that's just sour grapes Lissa ;):D. I've got four kids that's sufficient display for me! :cool:;) Not that I'm being defensive you understand. :smt045
Odd that, I have 4 kids as well, had a Gixer Thou and sold it because it was too mental for the road (I bought it as physio for my brain after suffering a mini-stroke), bought a Triumph Daytona 955i and found that too heavy, bulky and hard to get round corners unless it was a fast sweeper. Along the way I discovered SVs and decided to stick with them because I can ride them much better on the roads I ride than the Daytona. I know a lot of current and ex Gixer Thou owners, only a handful could ride them anywhere near properly, most were crap and would have been better on a 600. Same stands today for the majority of ZX10R owners.
-Ralph-
14-01-08, 11:02 PM
Something about the SV in these debates is that it only gets compared to focussed sportsbikes. The SV is a sports tourer.
You don't find folk saying "my VFR turns quicker than my old SV!", or "I sold my SV and bought a Triumph Sprint 'cos I wanted something that was better at trackdays"
So in the grand scheme of things when it comes to throwing the bike down a twisty road, the SV650S is about best in it's class, and it's only purpose built for the job sportsbikes in a different class that can be any quicker.
That is a nice compliment for the SV. Thanks sportsbike riders. Comparing your 7 grand 120bhp sportsbike to a 4 grand 70 bhp sports tourer makes it look pretty damn good.:D;)
thedonal
14-01-08, 11:07 PM
If the SV is truly a girl's bike- that must make me a girl.
Cool! I may not leave the flat for a few days, let alone ride the bike!
Spot on Ralph ;)
I like stories of people hunting down litre bikes. Hopefully one day I can do it :P
I know someone on a ninja 9r that had a bike fly past him, and he was giving it beans. an er6 going pretty much flat out round some lovely sweeping bends between newmarket and cambridge. the er6 rider said most big bikes ignore him when he flies past them but my mate followed him and had a chat saying how impressed he was :)
Something about the SV in these debates is that it only gets compared to focussed sportsbikes. The SV is a sports tourer.
You don't find folk saying "my VFR turns quicker than my old SV!", or "I sold my SV and bought a Triumph Sprint 'cos I wanted something that was better at trackdays"
So in the grand scheme of things when it comes to throwing the bike down a twisty road, the SV650S is about best in it's class, and it's only purpose built for the job sportsbikes in a different class that can be any quicker.
That is a nice compliment for the SV. Thanks sportsbike riders. Comparing your 7 grand 120bhp sportsbike to a 4 grand 70 bhp sports tourer makes it look pretty damn good.:D;)
:winner: Well said...
thedonal
14-01-08, 11:23 PM
I go out for a ride on my bike- on my own. I rock up at the usual haunts- Rykers or Newlands Corner. If the weather's good and the roads dry and car free, I push it a bit- get that extra bit of lean on the bends/roundabouts, that extra bit of push when I give it a fistfull. If I get chatting to someone at the bike haunts, it's cool- friendly enough. But at the end of the day, I ride my bike cos
a) it's my only form of transport at the moment (the commute etc)
b) I love it
c) it's a great bike and we've been through a bit together
d) I really effing love riding a motorbike- especially a V-Twin
I take the piddle out of my mate's Dragstar Classic- call it an armchair. He take's the mick out of my banana coloured bike and with all of the othe bikers in the office, going over 100 is 'doing a Donal'- ie being a bit silly and going way too fast. It's all a bit of fun!
But the point I'm trying (in a rather laboured way) to get across is that we all ride for the joy of doing it- why even worry about someone elses opinion? Just do it- and do it for yourself. As long as you are- I've got a mate who'd love to ride a bike again- chooses not to due to wife, kid and self trust- he'd even ride a 125.
Nuff said.
Someone please open the common sense valve a notch!
Regardless of the bike, some people prefer to ride in a spirited fashion, others are happy to bimble and amble around the twisties and not to mention sit in traffic and queue with the cars.
I used to have an SV and loved it, I used to chase down other bikes in front (if I could) some were bigger bikes and some were not. I now have a litre bike and according to most here my knob has shrunk to the size of a walnut and I ride like an old tortoise with three legs, bad back and a bad limp on a steep upward incline.
People GROW UP! A sportsbike owner (regardless of the reason for getting it) may not choose or be confident enough to ride in a spirited fashion, some do and can ride quickly YES around the bends (I've followed Skint a few times and he's bloody quick). Do not make bold global statements as to the ability of a SS bike rider please.
Each to there own. Some are quick, some are not. Whats the big deal we're all riders.
PS My knob is increases to an oversize cucumber when I ride my MT-03 (660cc single pot) and thrash SV650s, GSX1300Rs, ZZr1400s, at every ride and thats just getting the shopping, can't keep up on me gixer ;)
-Ralph-
14-01-08, 11:53 PM
PS My knob is increases to an oversize cucumber when I ride my MT-03 (660cc single pot)
That why the wife's always hiding the keys to the gixxer? ;)
That why the wife's always hiding the keys to the gixxer? ;)
It's the vibes that does it;)
Is it really a sports Tourer though? I wouldnt put it into the touring class, more a street bike with a fairing.
Ive got nothing against weekend warriors as some of them are very quick even if they dont do that many miles a year. Like its been said, its all down to personal preference.
Personally I like the "underdog" status that comes with riding the SV. You know you're never going to be keeping up with the latest SS in all situations but you can have a bloody good go. You earn the respect of others as well when they see that you're doing a good job with a bike which doesnt have the latest R&D on it.
There are some amazing riders on this site who I have had the pleasure of riding with, who I am sure with a SS would put a majority of other riders to shame.
Equally talented riders both accumstomed to thier own bikes would be fairly evenly matched. Power is completely pointless on a tight twisty road and the SV's suspension doesn't make it corner slower, it just requires more faith and confidence in the bike. Decent suspension only makes fast cornering easier and arguably a bit safer I suppose.
For those who say they used to have an SV, but their new sportsbike is quicker in every situation, sell your sportsbike, buy another SV and learn how to bl00dy ride!
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Yes you are right the power is worthless in a twisty corner, but I disagree that the betters suspension etc does not affect corner speed. The way my ZX6R is set up as standard makes it a far easier bike to get into a corner fast and keep it on the right line in a corner. I have felt more confident in a corner in the wet on it than I did on the same corner in the dry on my SV. So while it is down to the riders skill as well, I (from personal experience ) stand buy the fact that the better set up ZX will hammer a SV round a corner with the same rider on. I am a good few MPH faster into through, and out of corners. It has improved my riding because it has given me more confidence in the bikes abilities, is that a bad thing??
And yes i use to have a SV, I loved it they are great bikes but for me and what i have experienced I would say my ZX is better in 90% of situations once you learn to keep it on the boil (which I love, rather than complain about), so please tell me why I need to sell it and buy an SV again?? Is it because it would make me a better rider? NO!! IMO my riding has improved leap and bounds on my ZX, mainly down to my improved confidence, yes a lot of that is down to the bike, but an improvement in confidence of any rider is a good thing regardless of what caused it!!
[quote=-Ralph-;1386446]Something about the SV in these debates is that it only gets compared to focussed sportsbikes. The SV is a sports tourer.
So in the grand scheme of things when it comes to throwing the bike down a twisty road, the SV650S is about best in it's class, and it's only purpose built for the job sportsbikes in a different class that can be any quicker.
And as for the SV being best in its class I would say its not really a sports tourer , I would class it in the company of the SR6F, Hornet600 Z750, street triple, shiver etc. Which in that company it probably lags a way behind now due to not being revised? Don’t get me wrong I am not saying it’s a bad bike just that things have moved on and it is no longer the best in its peer group.
Come on Ogden, You and I ain't slow, but we're not in the top league of people we now from elsewhere, are we? In truth, the SVs we have are more than enough to keep with most people most days, and beat most people most days. Both of us can outride most people on what we have.
I'll concede that I had great fun in France last year on the SV when Ken rode his 'blade, Adie's R1, Champ or Bonwick's 10R and someone's Gixer thou, and found my poor SV pretty much glued to his **** the whole time. But...
You might regard the SV as chickwheels
...it is. Give me a list of all the reasons the SV is a great (not just good - I thought about this on the bog last night, and in it's class it's fantastic) bike and they all point to chickwheels.
Light. Easy to ride. Non-threatening. Cheap to insure. Practical. Poor penis-compensation. The list goes on.
This forum might as well be called www.i'vegotagirlsbikeandidon'tcarewhoknowsit.org, but it'll never catch on!
plowsie
15-01-08, 09:52 AM
I like the contributions from the "CBR the new SV" and "What bike will I have next" forums
If the are so fantastic why have you or do you want to change them?
Guessing that was a pop at me, just to clarify I would happily have my old SV back...The CBR the new SV is a joke to clear that on up also!
Whenever someones started on me about the SV650S being a girls bike....
I just send them the link of BlueSV650 round Silverstone sticking on that GSXR1000's ****.
Then add a simple comment..
Aint what you've got, its how you ride it.... If they don't understand that, then they arn't worth my time as clearly don't know anything about them.
Biker Biggles
15-01-08, 10:29 AM
Daimo---Good point well made.Sums it all up really.
Dicky Ticker
15-01-08, 11:14 AM
Plowsie,Don't take offence but why did you change to a CBR if you could have bought an equivalent value later SV,did you just fancy a change? I am not knocking the SV,I owned a new O3s and thought it a terrific bike but when I wrote it off after 2 1/2yrs just before I was about to change it I bought a bike which is more comfortable and better suited to my style of riding as I have gotten older.
No one can deny the SV is a smallish bike and a larger sports tourer fits a 6'2'' better. I am no riding god but I do appreciate the difference between a budget bike and something costing a bit more and more suited to my requirements from a bike.
Everybody is entitled to their own choice as we want different horses for different courses,be it touring,scratching or commuting but I have yet to come across the bike that is 100% at all of these-------------------EACH TO HIS OWN
plowsie
15-01-08, 11:20 AM
At the time it was what i could afford with money i had, was raising cash to drive and the CBR was available with a restrictor kit. This saved me the hassle, and got me the CBR, i'm not nocking the CBR either its a bloody good bike, just not as good restricted, cant wait to take restrictors out then prove myself wrong :)
Everybody is entitled to their own choice as we want different horses for different courses,be it touring,scratching or commuting but I have yet to come across the bike that is 100% at all of these-------------------EACH TO HIS OWN
I ahve, my Bandit 650S.
Heavier than the SV, but gets round the bends nearly as well. Its faster, more comfy, better for commuting/touring, bigger tank, and can be taken on track still.
But your right, if we all like the same stuff, turning up to a bike meet would be pretty boring (hence why im not really into all these SS600's and 1000cc sports bikes, every buggers got one....).
Give me something slower, but more excotic any day :D
Dicky Ticker
15-01-08, 11:31 AM
I like the CBR myself but after the slower reving lazier syle of a V twin and not wanting to return to the "Keeping it on the boil" for max torque of another IL4 I plumped for a triple which is almost as lazy as a Vtwin with a good low down torque spread. Budget is something that effects us all and no doubt if money was no object we would have newer or better bikes
TON2000
15-01-08, 12:23 PM
if its a girls bike, i'd better get a sex change. more chance of that happening than me selling my bike
DanAbnormal
15-01-08, 01:16 PM
So it's not a big girls bike then?
oh.:D
I thought this thread started as a Renault Clio owner referring to an SV as a girls bike - how did it end up as an SV 650 v all other big SS bikes, including I assume the SV 1000?:rolleyes: :smt102
The SV is a great bike. As a shortie it was great for me but I just didn't like it and found my Daytona and gixer superb handling - no chicken strips on either, Lozzo, but I struggled with the SV.
Oh, don't believe Beenz and his claimed knob developments although he certainly is 'cocky' on that MT of his :notworthy:
northwind
15-01-08, 01:35 PM
Whenever someones started on me about the SV650S being a girls bike....
I just send them the link of BlueSV650 round Silverstone sticking on that GSXR1000's ****.
Then add a simple comment..
Aint what you've got, its how you ride it.... If they don't understand that, then they arn't worth my time as clearly don't know anything about them.
Aye, but to be fair if Blue was on his old race bike he'd probably- definately, maybe- be faster still. So that's the girlyness holding him back ;)
Hadn't seen bluesv650's silverstone video, cracking stuff :)
-Ralph-
15-01-08, 10:31 PM
far easier bike to get into a corner fast and keep it on the right line in a corner. I have felt more confident in a corner in the wet on it than I did on the same corner in the dry on my SV. So while it is down to the riders skill as well, I (from personal experience ) stand buy the fact that the better set up ZX will hammer a SV round a corner with the same rider on
Your reasoning reinforces my point beautifully. The same rider is faster on the ZX 'cos the ZX is far easier and makes you feel more confident. That doesn't mean that the SV isn't capable of taking the corner just as quick. Stick BlueSV650 on both bikes on a twisty B road and the times from the two bikes would be near identical. Only a track would show up any difference in cornering ability between the ZX and the SV. We're debating the bike here not the rider.
I would say my ZX is better in 90% of situations
Well that depends on what roads you spend 90% of your time on doesn't it.
I spend 90% of mine on tight, twisty, scottish B roads, which is why I've decided it's pointless changing my SV for anything bigger/better. I've got the choice and the money to change the SV and looked seriously at everything from RSVR's/Falco's to Daytona's/Sprint ST's to Honda VTR's and even Italian exotica, but I decided to stick with what I've got. It suits my criteria very well.
so please tell me why I need to sell it and buy an SV again??
I said that if you think your sportsbike is quicker in every situation [meaning purely because it's more capable than an SV], buy an SV again and learn to ride it properly.
I think you've acknowledged that the ZX has you riding faster because it has increased your confidence, and not because SV isn't capable of the same pace per se. So my comment about learning to ride doesn't really apply to you. You are learning as are we all and if a ZX has helped you along then thats great.
And as for the SV being best in its class I would say its not really a sports tourer , I would class it in the company of the SR6F, Hornet600 Z750, street triple, shiver etc
I didn't say it was best in class, I said...
when it comes to throwing the bike down a twisty road, the SV650S is about best in it's class
Maybe you want to start a new thread about what is the SV's "class"?
This is a debate that could rage forever and I see your point, but classfication of bikes is always a mine field. Suzuki class the SV650S as a "Sports Tourer" because it has the bikini fairing and clip ons, so it has a "sports" riding position and has the ability to "tour", ie sustain high speed comfortably.
All the bikes you have mentioned above have high bars and no fairing, except the ER6F (the S and E keys are next to each other, so i assume that this is what you meant by SR6F, I have fat fingers too!). So I would class the latter four as "Naked".
Bike's also need to be comparible in price and power to be in the same class, so the ER6F is probably the closest competitor in your list.
I'd say the ER6F, GSF650S, CBF600S, etc are all "competitors", but none have the sporty riding position and B road ability of the SV.
Whenever someones started on me about the SV650S being a girls bike....
I just send them the link of BlueSV650 round Silverstone sticking on that GSXR1000's ****.
I've watched that video, Blue really does know how to ride.
Somewhere on this forum there's someone who saw me lapping a couple of Gixer Thous and a couple of R1s at Mallory...on a 75,000 mile ex-courier Bandit 600. It wasn't that I'm a great rider or my bike was well set up, but they were pathetically slow. I even managed to outdrag one of them on a K5 Thou down all the way from the Bus-Stop to Gerards, and then left him when the corner scared him.
yorkie_chris
15-01-08, 10:46 PM
And the SV's the only one thats different to the rest, it has a bit of character, its not just a UJM.
Know any other bikes with the same sort of following?
Other than that, horses for courses.
And the SV's the only one thats different to the rest, it has a bit of character, its not just a UJM.
Know any other bikes with the same sort of following?
350LCs, CB400 Fours, Viragos, GSXRs of all varieties, Fireblades etc etc.
Every bike ever made has its own little band of loving owners who band together somewhere on the internet, even the sad excuses for human being's who own Yamaha SR250s.
northwind
16-01-08, 01:30 AM
Stick BlueSV650 on both bikes on a twisty B road and the times from the two bikes would be near identical. Only a track would show up any difference in cornering ability between the ZX and the SV.
Well, neither a race rep or an SV's likely to get close to its limits on a b-road regardless of rider, visibility and surface tends to be the problem. But I think you might be a little wide of the mark, sometimes I think it's bad roads where better suspension makes the biggest difference, frinstance... On the St Mary's Loch road, frinstance, there's points there where an SV really could get in a lot of bother, just too much going on- crests and dives, cracks in the surface, weird cambers... Well set up, better quality suspension takes most of that in its stride (enabling talentless knobbers on green SVs to keep up with everyone else :mrgreen:)
In fact, perfect example- going west along that road, I think before the Loch, but possibly in the mad bit after the grey mare's tail, there's an almost 90 degree left hander on a downhill... I remember doing that at a reasonable pace on the SV as nearly standard and it was a running-wide disaster, because of the rapid drop and the dubious surface the bike "fell" towards the outside of the corner. Better suspension keeps the wheels on the ground better, and reduces the risk of stuff like that.
SV-CHEF
16-01-08, 01:38 AM
i can keep up with my uncle on his 07 Triumph Sprint ST until he cant see anymore cameras. I just bought my SV and it scares the crap outta me still. I wouldnt change mine for the world.
Dicky Ticker
16-01-08, 10:45 AM
Good point there CHEF I tend to ride to within the speed limits on roads I don't know or know where the fixed cameras are and have young Wanna be's flying past at great rates of knots. Been there,got the Tshirt but still riding after 40 years,BUT give me a road I know or has good distance visibility and I'll crack on as hard or fast as most.Speed or handling skills come second to enjoyment and safety in my book. Thats what track days are for,mostly big run offs good surface and nothing coming the other way,plus an ambulance in attendance
I just bought my SV and it scares the crap outta me still.
I had the same experience. Then I wound up the preload at both ends and it stopped trying to kill me every five minutes.
Or is that not what you meant?
ASM-Forever
16-01-08, 01:40 PM
I had the same experience. Then I wound up the preload at both ends and it stopped trying to kill me every five minutes.
Or is that not what you meant?
:D....'the pedant' never ceases to amuse.
-Ralph-
16-01-08, 04:00 PM
Well, neither a race rep or an SV's likely to get close to its limits on a b-road regardless of rider, visibility and surface tends to be the problem. But I think you might be a little wide of the mark, sometimes I think it's bad roads where better suspension makes the biggest difference, frinstance... On the St Mary's Loch road, frinstance, there's points there where an SV really could get in a lot of bother, just too much going on- crests and dives, cracks in the surface, weird cambers... Well set up, better quality suspension takes most of that in its stride (enabling talentless knobbers on green SVs to keep up with everyone else :mrgreen:)
In fact, perfect example- going west along that road, I think before the Loch, but possibly in the mad bit after the grey mare's tail, there's an almost 90 degree left hander on a downhill... I remember doing that at a reasonable pace on the SV as nearly standard and it was a running-wide disaster, because of the rapid drop and the dubious surface the bike "fell" towards the outside of the corner. Better suspension keeps the wheels on the ground better, and reduces the risk of stuff like that.
Yes thats true, the SV does struggle there, where a 7 grand race rep might enable you to go a bit faster (personally I'd have brown trouser at full pelt on any bike there). But its an isolated example of a very bad road. I'm not trying to say the SV is as good as a race rep in any situation am I? I was retorting against those who were saying the opposite. That the race rep was better than the SV full stop.
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