Conti Road attacks - 200 miles only

[Berlin]

I fitted some Conti Road Attacks back in November ready for the winter and ran them in for 200 miles (in one day) and I haven't had a chance to get out on the bike since.

The rear had a puncture on the way home and has been professionally repaired.

Looking for £135 ono plus whatever the postage is for them.
All nicely scrubbed in and ready to go.

It'll be sunny again by the time I get back on the bike so I didn't actually need tyres for the winter after all :(

Cheers,
Carl

[wheelnut]

Why would you put different tyres on for winter? Road Attacks are good for all weathers, personally I would never buy second hand tyres, especially ones that had been repaired:-s

[husky03]

[quote=Berlin;1384988]
Looking for £135 plus whatever the postage is for them.

Think your asking a bit to much for them mate:o-brand new pair delivered to your door only cost £141:smt045-your gonna need to reduce them considerably me thinks-you'd be better holding on to them:)

husky

[markmoto]

[quote=Berlin;1384988]
Looking for £135 plus whatever the postage is for them.

Think your asking a bit to much for them mate:o-brand new pair delivered to your door only cost £141:smt045-your gonna need to reduce them considerably me thinks-you'd be better holding on to them:)

husky

What he said

[markmoto]

p.s why are you selling them dont you like them?

[Berlin]

Why would you put different tyres on for winter? Road Attacks are good for all weathers, personally I would never buy second hand tyres, especially ones that had been repaired:-s

I Put the Road attacks ON for the winter. I usually use Supercorsa pro's which ain't so good in the wet. This is the first new pair of tyres I've bought in years. I use race scubs and I've never had a problem with any of them.


Looking for £135 plus whatever the postage is for them.

Think your asking a bit to much for them mate:o-brand new pair delivered to your door only cost £141:smt045-your gonna need to reduce them considerably me thinks-you'd be better holding on to them:)

husky

So make me an offer. That's what ONO means :) They are essentiall new tyres. All I've done is wear the shiney coating off. Or are you saying that the first 200 miles of rubber is 10 times the price of the rest of the tyre? :)

And no, I don't like them. I find them very harsh even running them at 3 PSI under recommended pressures (which, incidentally eliminates their propensity to drop inquickly and makes them neutral steering).

Other's seem to love them though. I ride 80% on B roads and their carcass is much stiffer than the SC Pros which I usually use (and have a shed full of). I also have stiffer springs in it which doesn't help.

Now that I'm not using the bike during the winter, I don't need Sports touring tyres. I can use the SC Pros I already have.


Cheers,
Carl

[markmoto]

there is a post in wanted someone is after a pair of part worns for melodys bike might be worth talking to him them.

[Berlin]

Cheers, PM Sent.

Carl

[husky03]

[quote=Berlin;1385115]

So make me an offer. That's what ONO means :) They are essentiall new tyres. All I've done is wear the shiney coating off. Or are you saying that the first 200 miles of rubber is 10 times the price of the rest of the tyre? :)

I must have missed the ONO in your post then:rolleyes: or was it you who missed it?-10 TIMES THE PRICE -no but the rear has had a puncture repair hasn't it?-stick them on ebay with your reserve price and see what you get offered for them -nothing near what your asking mate:)

good luck
husky

[maultin]

Continental Road Attack 120/60 ZR17
Continental Road Attack 160/60 ZR17
£134.97p delivered from Busters Motorcycle Accessories
http://www.busters-accessories.co.uk/default.asp

[Apophes]

Continental Road Attack F.120/60 ZR17, R.160/60 ZR17
had them fitted at local back street bike shop £130 cash thats fitted to loose wheels and balanced
A friend of mine who used to work for a tyre fitting chain got repairs in all the time and knocked almost new ones out at £25 till he got knocked off his bike and badly broke his hip

[Berlin]

So a tyre with a professionally repaired puncture isn't as good as a tyre that hasn't been repaired?

Does the air come out?
Does the lean angle reduce?
Does the mechanical grip reduce?
Does the profile alter?
Does the Chemical grip reduce?
Does the coolness factor of the tread pattern reduce?
Does the wet, damp or dry performance reduce?
Does the wear rate reduce?
Does anything at all change in the way the tyre performs?

No.. to all of the above.

So how is a tyre that is repaired not as good?

Or is it just an imaginary perceived "not as goodness"?

I'd be very interested to hear just exactly how you think it's not as good?

Thanks to all of the others for commenting too. Very helpful. :rolleyes:

I've used 1/40th of the life of the tyre so taking the Busters price and reducing it by 1/40th makes that, oh, £3.37 less

Carl

[Biker_Billy]

A repaired tyre is not as good as a new one as the carcass has been compromised...I presume that they bunged it? in which case a hole would have been drilled through the tyre to make room for it.

Now, I'm certainly not implying that any repaired tyre is unsafe, however it has been repaired, therefore the banding in the carcass has been breached.

Don't thing peeps on this forum are having a go mate, just think they are pointing out that your asking price is a little steep compared to new ones. e.g. buy an SV from a dealership for £3k, ride it out the showroom for 10 miles - immediately the value of the bike has dropped - i don't know say £300...its still just like a new bike, but it's secondhand, therefore that value is significantly lower...bad example, but you get the jist...

good luck with selling them tho,

Billy.

[husky03]

your above post is correct with everything you say regarding the tyre but your fail to see the main problem you have-your asking people to pay what is full price for an item that has had a repair carried out on it-doesn't matter if its as good as new-if you were selling it cheap enough someone would buy it-but not at the money your asking,you'd probably get half on ebay-thats why i said you might be better off keeping them-there worth more to you than they are to a buyer

[Berlin]

Husky, as we've now established that repair does not alter performance in any way, it's pointless bringing it up as a reason to reduce price. As Biker billy points out, The damage a carpet tack and subsequent repair makes to the tire or carcass is so negligible it does not alter performance in any way.

It comes down to whether the person buying it deems the repair to be negligible and as there's no reason for it not to be, I can't figure a valid reason for it to affect the sale.


As for price, I refer to the answer I gave some moments ago

"make me an offer".

:)

Carl

[Biker_Billy]

Husky, as we've now established that repair does not alter performance in any way, it's pointless bringing it up as a reason to reduce price. As Biker billy points out, The damage a carpet tack and subsequent repair makes to the tire or carcass is so negligible it does not alter performance in any way.

It comes down to whether the person buying it deems the repair to be negligible and as there's no reason for it not to be, I can't figure a valid reason for it to affect the sale.


As for price, I refer to the answer I gave some moments ago

"make me an offer".

:)

Carl

Whoa there cowboy...think you have skewed my comments somewhat...I never said that the impact of the repair on the carcass was negligable - all I said was that it doesnt make it unsafe.

You cant get away from the fact that it is a repaired item, therefore it is unfair to compare your tyres to new ones which you can buy from a number of websites mentioned in this thread, and hence need to charge accordingly.

Also, "Husky, as we've now established that repair does not alter performance in any way" - I don't think we did establish that - I think you stated it!

[markmoto]

dont forget the vat that you paid to the government on something new which you loose once something becomes second hand!

[husky03]

Tell you what Carl-this post is getting derailed and becoming a discussion into the value of repaired tyres so -


I fitted some Conti Road Attacks back in November ready for the winter and ran them in for 200 miles (in one day) and I haven't had a chance to get out on the bike since.

The rear had a puncture on the way home and has been professionally repaired.

Looking for £135 ono plus whatever the postage is for them.
All nicely scrubbed in and ready to go.

It'll be sunny again by the time I get back on the bike so I didn't actually need tyres for the winter after all :sad:

Cheers,
Carl

[Berlin]

Billy,

Read my post above your first post where it states:

Does the air come out?
Does the lean angle reduce?
Does the mechanical grip reduce?
Does the profile alter?
Does the Chemical grip reduce?
Does the coolness factor of the tread pattern reduce?
Does the wet, damp or dry performance reduce?
Does the wear rate reduce?
Does anything at all change in the way the tyre performs?

No.. to all of the above.

You state that "A repaired tyre is not as good as a new one as the carcass has been compromised"

It was compromised by a carpet tack.

Please explain how this level of "compromise" affect the performance in any way?
Will any of the performance features above change in any way?
Or will the steel fibres on either side of the one(s) compromised be so capable of handling the stresses involved that the "compromise" is still negligible in terms of all performance figures.

or is it, again, only a perceived compromise, and not actual?

I'f I'd hit a house Brick at 125mph and dented the front rim I'd be prepared to agree with you, but I'd struggling to see this with a carpet tack.

Carl

[Biker_Billy]

Sorry mate but I can't see how a tyre which has been plugged can be compared to a new tyre? The tyre would have been drilled and a bung glued in place.

e.g. info on BS159F:

CAN MOTORCYCLE TYRES BE REPAIRED?

Motorcycle tyres have to be repaired within the limits of British Standard BS159F. Unfortunately, this does not allow repairs on tyres with a Z speed rating or above. Most of todays sportsbikes of 600cc upwards are all fitted with Z or W rated tyres, therefore, these cannot be repaired within the British Standards. A temporary repair can be carried out to get you home or to a local garage, but the tyre would have to be replaced, the use of sealants is not recommended by tyre manufacturers and their use voids any warranty on the tyre.

I am aware that the Conti's are W rated, and according to the BS are suitable to be repaired - but I ask you why they dont repair Z rated tyres? - Do you think it is because of the additional loadings and stresses of higher speeds? If so, then surely it is because the carcass of the tyre (or another aspect) has been compromised resulting in a Z rated tyre being unsuitable for repair.

I think the main point which a number of orgers have made is that it is unfair to compare the tyres which you are selling to new tyres, and therefore the value of them is significantly different.

[maultin]

i only mentioned the busters price for your benefit Berlin.
if you were to offer them for £90-100, you might get some interest.

[Biker Biggles]

It is generally accepted on here as bad form to comment on asking prices in the "For Sale" section unless the seller seeks that advice.It leads to bad feeling and arguements best dealt with in other folders.I think this thread demonstrates the point well.

[Biker_Billy]

It is generally accepted on here as bad form to comment on asking prices in the "For Sale" section unless the seller seeks that advice.It leads to bad feeling and arguements best dealt with in other folders.I think this thread demonstrates the point well.


Fair do's BB, I'll refrain from posting on this thread.

I do wish the chap luck with selling them tho.

[maultin]

Sorry Berlin, if you have got the hump - didnt mean to upset.
Good luck with the sale & safe riding !!!

Alan

[Jester666]

Enough with the chatter. Take it to Idle Banter. This is For Sale.