Have you seen these prices???

[petevtwin650]

32 quid for a wavy rear. 110 quid for a full set of wavys. Look very similar to the Braking Wave brand. 50 quid for an exhaust and 330 notes for replica painted plastics for Jap 400's.

I know it's gotta be rubbish, but even so. Oh, and 45 pennies for a Union Jack tank pad!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Suzuki-Rear-Wave-Brake-Disc-GSXR-GSX-GSF-SV-RF-600-1300_W0QQitemZ170184867092QQihZ007QQcategoryZ10534 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[squirrel_hunter]

I know of these guys (and the similar Chinese sellers) from over the 400 GB site where I reside for my NC23. The general review is you get what you pay for.

Plastics wise very mixed reviews, mainly related to the paint. Some of the stickers/ paint work does not line up and there has also been cases of misspelling and one very bad case of damage in transit. However not heard anything bad about fitments from what I remember (I've given up reading the threads as it descends into the same old arguments). So for about £300 - 350 you get a full set minus the tank, if your lucky the paints good so its just the tank to paint. If your not add the same amount for a respray. Even then its still cheaper than OE but not that different from Skidmarks and other UK based distributors (Jap4 for example). Personally for fairings I'd make my own...

As for the brakes, I'm yet to read a review on them. But I would be dubious based on the above reviews of the plastics. No name brake discs, would you trust them without hearing something very positive?

[petevtwin650]

Pretty much as I thought. Shame nobody has had experience of the brakes though. Perhaps we should all chip in and buy some for "evaluation purposes" ;)

[northwind]

I've owned similiar before, branded as "Braking Point", they were OK but they always felt a bit... Iffy. Never could work out why, but there was a constant very high frequency, very slight vibration with them. Never had that issue with the Braking ones I replaced them with. But I think SVRAsh bought them off me and was happy with them, so it might just have been me.

Just bought another set, from an ebayer called tobyhuang2006 who sells assorted far eastern parts... But some of them a lot more interesting than the usual junk. I've not fitted them yet, they're essentially very accurate copies of Braking wavies. I needed a CBR600RR set so I thought, £90, might as well give it a pop. Obviously you can't tell much by looking at a disc but they do look solid.

[lukemillar]

Ok, maybe a stupid question... I have never understood the advantage of wavey discs?? Anyone care to shed some light? Less prone to warping? Greater surface area - stay cooler?? Purely a 'looks' thing? I just can't see a mechanical advantage :confused:

[Tzindo]

I think the wave (edge) cleans the pads during braking it shaves a layer off. Cooling as well for the disk. Oh and fashion accessory, some people think they look good.

[northwind]

IMO it's pretty much all looks... So many of the reasons given are rubbish, frinstance "lighter weight", my Braking discs were heavier than the GSXR OEM they replaced. You don't see Brembo, AP, PVM, ISR etc making wavy discs, they make brilliant round ones instead.

[instigator]

Can you see why I wouldn't buy the cheap crap?

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v612/greggreggreg/?action=view&current=Disc1.jpg

[yorkie_chris]

Thats a fair reason for buying proper discs.

There's similar front's for sale on ebay, about £100 quid for front's, the disc carrier looks really flimsy, very thin spokes on it.

When assembling parts for gixxer swap I just took my chances with a secondhand set, think they;re ok

[northwind]

Instigator, what are we looking at there, is that cracks? My galfer disc deceloped a big crack in much the same place... But to be fair, it had been disc-locked once so that could be the probably cause.

[ogden]

I have never understood the advantage of wavey discs?? Anyone care to shed some light?

Sure. They're a handy guide to a bike owner having as close to zero taste as makes no odds.

[Lissa]

Sure. They're a handy guide to a bike owner having as close to zero taste as makes no odds.

So the superbike teams who fit them to their race bikes do it because they have no taste, then?

[ogden]

So the superbike teams who fit them to their race bikes do it because they have no taste, then?

Have you seen the colour schemes on those leathers?

Trinny & Susannah would have a fit!

[Lissa]

Have you seen the colour schemes on those leathers?

Trinny & Susannah would have a fit!

Trinny and Susannah need to look in a mirror:D

[davidimurray]

Instigator - that's a weird place for them to crack. Did you often 'cook' the brakes and how did you run the new discs in? A crack in that position looks like a lack of heat treatment after machining.

I've seen a catastrophic failure of a brake disc on our race car, but this happened due to a design error and failed through the bobbin. Now that was messy.

Wavey discs tend to be used for weight saving and pad cleaning (glaze breaking). Holes in dics exist for the same reasons. A lot of brake discs also have J hooks machined into the surface for pad cleaning. Weight can be a big issue as not only does it affect the gyroscopic nature of the front end, but also reduce the unsprung mass of the system allowing improved suspension performance.

[yorkie_chris]

many of the reasons given are rubbish, frinstance "lighter weight", my Braking discs were heavier than the GSXR OEM they replaced.

A crack in that position looks like a lack of heat treatment after machining.

Wavey discs tend to be used for weight saving

Well why are the braking ones (reputable firm) making waveys then? Or could northwinds results have been influenced by the state of wear of the discs.

+1 about that, they must be cutting costs by not stress relieving them.
You get what you pay for.

Only way to get decent quality from the dinks is to be over there constantly supervising (every 2 runs at least), or employ someone in country otherwise it just goes downhill steadily.

[northwind]

Well why are the braking ones (reputable firm) making waveys then?

Because they can sell them for a packet. Braking have also launched aftermarket wheels which are heavier than the OEM items they replace, they've all about the bling.

[yorkie_chris]

So they just look good and aren't likely to crack up and kill you, fair enough if people will buy bling don't blame them for selling it!

[northwind]

I don't ;) Had a set myself, they were perfectly good discs and cost about the same as OE. I just don't buy into the hype. I think the OE SP2 discs I was using last were better discs overall frinstance... But they're so DULL!

The Braking wheels are a bit cheeky though, because a lot of people do market them as a performance part when they're nothing of the sort. But they look mint.

[ogden]

Because they can sell them for a packet. Braking have also launched aftermarket wheels which are heavier than the OEM items they replace, they've all about the bling.

There's a simple litmus test for the world of aftermarket parts: As long as there's still a market for coloured bolts, there is proof that there are motorcyclists with marginally less taste than a bowl of unsalted porridge. Ergo, wavy discs.

When I bought my 7R, years ago, the seller repeatedly pointed out great modifications like bright red braided hoses and the wavy rear disc.

"But what does it do?" I asked him.
"It's a wavy disc!"
"Yes, but what does it do?"
"It's... it's a wavy disc!"

Quod erat bleedin well demonstrandum.

[northwind]

On the other hand, they don't generally cause any problems, and I think the Braking waveys are cheaper than OEM. (mine was anyway, so was the Galfer that I killed) The rear disc actually is lighter btw, but that's more because the rear OEM disc is very simple because they couldn't care less how heavy it is, because nobody will notice the difference). So leaving aside whether it's a performance mod, if you think they look good there's no big reason not to IMO.

[Scoobs]

I've got wavy discs on my CBR. The reason I got them is because I warped the OEM ones. The Galfers were pretty much the same price as the OEM ones. I have no idea if they will be more or less warp resistant than the OE ones, but being a tart I thought if I am spending that sort of cash then I want everyone to know.....ergo wavys.

[jumjum_0214]

I think they look cool.

They probably do perform better than originals and if your bike is your baby then why not spoil it and put wavey disks on?

I would have em in an instant but unfortunately cant afford them. If its your thing and you like em. Have em. You only live once.:-)

[lukemillar]

They probably do perform better than originals

How?? I'm not necessarily against them or for them, but I still can't see how a wavey disc could perform better than a round one. Surely things like quality of materials, weight and manufacturing processes used dictate whether one disc is better than another rather than the shape of the disc itself?

[Lozzo]

Trinny and Susannah need to look in a mirror:D

Don't diss Trinny, she may be a ruggy, but she's dead cute with it.

[Lozzo]

So the superbike teams who fit them to their race bikes do it because they have no taste, then?

Sponsorship, it's why some top riders wear nasty cheap kit. Money talks in racing.

[davidimurray]

How?? I'm not necessarily against them or for them, but I still can't see how a wavey disc could perform better than a round one. Surely things like quality of materials, weight and manufacturing processes used dictate whether one disc is better than another rather than the shape of the disc itself?

It's because if you took a plain disc with no features in it, as you use the brakes the surface of the pads become glazed. By adding features such as holes, J hooks, waves etc then you can create an edge that is presented to the pads, this in affect slices the glaze of the pads. Of course, this is the theory bu brakes are a very complicated subject - you need to look at pad and disc compatability, temperatures etc - one of the best materials around for breaking is cast iron, but not very practical for everyday use.