immobilisers

[wow]

Doesn't look like the bike comes with an immobiliser as standard. Well used to it. How much would that be to fit that? Any ideas. Or do you all just use a disc lock?

[dizzyblonde]

I use a gigantic disk lock, an 'onguard' thatcham approved one. In fact its so heavy it looks like it was made for a tank!!! not too big though....yorkiechris was impressed yesterday with it. I have a meta alarm/immobiliser on one of my SV's but to be honest I only activate the alarm when I'm at work, because they really drain the battery

[timwilky]

My cheap £25 cyclone alarm, has a feed that is live when the alarm is off. I use this to power a relay that I have inserted into the ignition switched live. That way turning on the alarm, immobilises the bike. It also means I have a take off point for any other accessories that I wish to be ignition powered.

[ninja bobw]

I also have a cyclone alarm cost about ?24 inc p+p which does the job a lot cheaper and probably just as well as the dearer options.Obviously as well as the disc lock and chain.If they really want to nick it they will and no amount of security will stop them just makes it a bit more difficult.Having had a bike nicked with datatagging, datatool alarm and heavy sold secure chain and disc lock secured to a very nice lamp post.I wouldn't spend the money unless forced to.The insurance discount is hardly worth it TBH £30 discount for a £300 alarm.

[Steelman]

It's worth remembering that a professionally fitted alarm (with immobiliser) can save you money in the long run on your insurance ('specially as a new rider with no NCD) - many companies require one before they'll cover you :(

[northwind]

Immobilises are bo***cks. IMO ;) What do they achieve? Nobody rides bikes away, they go in a van. The only thing they're good for is if you leave the keys in the ignition, or if you keep the immobiliser tab on a different key bunch you can lose one and not the other and nobody can ride off on teh bike. Big deal.

Alarms can be a different story, but I was very glad to see the back of my immobiliser, as far as I can tell they have only 2 purposes- 1) to give you an extra thing to lose, and 2) to give you an extra thing to go wrong.

When mine eventually got sent off to the big skip in the sky, I phoned up Carole Nash to advise them I no longer had an immobiliser, and you know how much difference it made to the policy? ?7 a year.

[pencil shavings]

i have a datatool alarm/imoboliser combo, very good, easy to use. alarm is hyper senstive which is good.

[Lozzo]

I'm with Northwind on this one. My view is if the insurance company demand an alarm/immobiliser be fitted then find a different insurance company. Carole Nash is who I'm with, and when I enquired about the difference in premium on my old Daytona 955i they told me it made none at all. I had a Gemini immobiliser fail and leave me coasting with a dead engine in lane 3 of the M1 one dark evening with traffic all around me, that got ripped out by the AA man on the hard shoulder and slung over the nearest hedge.

I wouldn't fit one, but I'll suffer them on used bikes I buy for as long as they work and then when they pack up they get thrown in the bin. I've removed three from previous bikes because of this - all of them Datatool System 3s. I hate the things.

[Defender]

Immobilises are bo***cks. IMO ;) What do they achieve? Nobody rides bikes away, they go in a van.

I have no faith in alarms, immobs or disc locks for the reason northwind gives, and unless a heavy duty cable/chain and lock are used in conjunction with a immovable object, they're useless. However, where do you put such a chain/ cable on a SV650 to use when you are out and about? Anyone?

I thought about data tagging the bike and have been told I could save money by buying off ebay. This is only useful when the bike has been nicked at which point the data tagging is only any good if found by the Police.

So since May 2007, when I bought my bike, it's either locked up in the garage or not parked up out of sight.

[ASM-Forever]

I'm not a fan of alarms/immobilisers, unless they are fitted as standard by the manufacturer. If not they end to be unreliable and kill the electrics.

My R6 has YISS, which i guess is a rip off of HISS. :)

[wow]

So since May 2007, when I bought my bike, it's either locked up in the garage or not parked up out of sight.

Yeah I know what you mean and normally you can do that ok. But sometimes you park it and go for a little walk and drink etc when sight-seeing. It was just handy as the harley comes with immobiliser as standard (but it was also annoying at times). You just have to make sure you park it next to a more expensive bike so they'll nick that one :D

[northwind]

I thought about data tagging the bike and have been told I could save money by buying off ebay. This is only useful when the bike has been nicked at which point the data tagging is only any good if found by the Police.


Also... Mine is still officially and legally datatagged. But none of the plastic is original, it has new paint, new wheels, lots of other components. What parts were datatagged? I don't know, but there's a fair chance I've sold them all :rolleyes: But still, it's officially datatagged. Strange, that.

[pencil shavings]

i had a bike stolen about a year and ahalf ago now, from the outside a friends house in the middle of the day. it had a disk lock onit and and heavy duty chain around a lamp post. some guys just came along, with i assume were hydroloic bolt cutters and chop chop picked up the bike and put it in a van.
If i had an alarm on it, maybe i could have stoped it being taken, who knows.

[Lozzo]

Ride magazine did a test in Peterborough city centre where they drove a van up to an alarmed R6 and three big bouncer type guys lifted it in with the alarm blaring. No-one took the blindest bit of notice and no-one managed to get a full or partial registration of the van. The locals were probably glad to see the back of the bike and the awful noise it was making.

My housemate and I quite often go and collect bikes for friends on the trailer, sometimes for me to do an alarm removal because it's playing up and going off for no reason. There's been times when we can't park right where the bike is so we push it round and load it up wherever the car/trailer is, with the alarm blaring away and me trying to disable it. No-one's ever confronted us and asked if it's our bike we're taking. We once drove half way round the M25 and up the M1 with black carrier bags over the indicators of a gixer and the alarm going til the batteries flattened.

Just goes to show alarms are a waste of time and money.

[Durbs]

i have a datatool alarm/imoboliser combo, very good, easy to use. alarm is hyper senstive which is good.

I also have the Datatool 3 alarm/imob which i assumed came as standard with the SV but it appears not.

Hate it with a vengance! Hate it, hate it, hate it (and it hates me too). If i could work out which wire to cut to end its miserable existence forever i'd do it like a shot.

Procedure for getting bike out:

1. Open shed door really gently, need to avert my gaze as even looking at the bike for too long will cause the tilt sensor to start shouting at me, it just knows i'm there, you can sense it rubbing its little hands together.
2. Set foot on shed floor, first warning chirrup
3. Hit tilt sensor disable button, get that you b*stard!
4. Start wheeling bike backwards out of shed
5. Tilt sensor decides it has had enough of being disabled and arms itself with impeccible timing to coincide with the back wheel dropping over the lip of the shed door
6. Tilt sensor goes ballistic,
7. Race is on to find which of my hundred pockets i'd just put the key fob into whilst frozen in place trying to keep the bike still
8. Disable tilt sensor again, seems happy to be disabled now
9. Turn bike around and start to wheel along side of house
10. Datatool pixie sees we are under next doors babies window so immediately triggers full alarm response.
11. Disable alarm, ride away sobbing.

Upon return repeat in reverse order although add step 12 where tilt sensor and alarm automatically arm themselves somewhere between you turning off the ignition and actually stepping off the bike meaning you are dismounting to a stream of squeaky complaints.

Those are the joys of alarm ownership.

[Lozzo]

I also have the Datatool 3 alarm/imob which i assumed came as standard with the SV but it appears not.

Hate it with a vengance! Hate it, hate it, hate it (and it hates me too). If i could work out which wire to cut to end its miserable existence forever i'd do it like a shot.

Procedure for getting bike out:

1. Open shed door really gently, need to avert my gaze as even looking at the bike for too long will cause the tilt sensor to start shouting at me, it just knows i'm there, you can sense it rubbing its little hands together.


At this point you should hit the left button and hold it down to put the alarm in ferry mode (it makes one long beep). That way you can move the bike without the alarm going off. When you want to ride away, hit the right button and that disables the alarm as normal. If you want to enable the alarm while it's in ferry mode you hit the left button and hold it down again til you hear the long beep.

A better option would be to have the alarm professionally removed and then smash it to bits with a lump hammer so no-one else can be blighted with the useless piece of crap.

[pencil shavings]

I also have the Datatool 3 alarm/imob which i assumed came as standard with the SV but it appears not.

Hate it with a vengance! Hate it, hate it, hate it (and it hates me too). If i could work out which wire to cut to end its miserable existence forever i'd do it like a shot.

Procedure for getting bike out:

1. Open shed door really gently, need to avert my gaze as even looking at the bike for too long will cause the tilt sensor to start shouting at me, it just knows i'm there, you can sense it rubbing its little hands together.
2. Set foot on shed floor, first warning chirrup
3. Hit tilt sensor disable button, get that you b*stard!
4. Start wheeling bike backwards out of shed
5. Tilt sensor decides it has had enough of being disabled and arms itself with impeccible timing to coincide with the back wheel dropping over the lip of the shed door
6. Tilt sensor goes ballistic,
7. Race is on to find which of my hundred pockets i'd just put the key fob into whilst frozen in place trying to keep the bike still
8. Disable tilt sensor again, seems happy to be disabled now
9. Turn bike around and start to wheel along side of house
10. Datatool pixie sees we are under next doors babies window so immediately triggers full alarm response.
11. Disable alarm, ride away sobbing.

Upon return repeat in reverse order although add step 12 where tilt sensor and alarm automatically arm themselves somewhere between you turning off the ignition and actually stepping off the bike meaning you are dismounting to a stream of squeaky complaints.

Those are the joys of alarm ownership.

haha :smt081

what i do to prevent this, is just disarm the arlam and put the key in and turn the bike on, but dont start the engine right away. the batery isnt going to run down in 1 or 2 minutes.

[northwind]

i had a bike stolen about a year and ahalf ago now, from the outside a friends house in the middle of the day. it had a disk lock onit and and heavy duty chain around a lamp post. some guys just came along, with i assume were hydroloic bolt cutters and chop chop picked up the bike and put it in a van.


What sort of chain? Have you seen the videos Zanx off Visordown does of cutting bike chains with bolt croppers... Positively embarassing, most £150 chains can be cut almost silently in a matter of moments.

[pencil shavings]

What sort of chain? Have you seen the videos Zanx off Visordown does of cutting bike chains with bolt croppers... Positively embarassing, most £150 chains can be cut almost silently in a matter of moments.

yep. the fundamental problem with motorbikes is that if someone wants to take it they will.
I cant remember the model of the chain as I had it since i was 17 and used it on my rs125, but it was a mid range oxford jobby.
I did the research and found exactly what you just said, so I got a half decent big one to scare off oppertunists, but nothings going to stop a pro.

[Lozzo]

Almax.

Apparently even the pros walk away from those

[Pedro68]

Almax.

Apparently even the pros walk away from those
And maybe those on a tight budget? But TBH, if I was buying a bike that I thought was worth nicking and would inconvenience me so much then I'd factor an Almax into the initial outlay on the bike itself.

Security shouldn't be an after-thought on your pride and joy.

Personally I don't care if my bike gets nicked ... it's a copper pointy after all ... seriously though, if it got nicked, I have a car I can use in the meantime and all available security declared to my insurers is being used on it, so they can stump up if it goes ... and then I can go and buy a black pointy with black frame and black wheels :D

[northwind]

You can still cut an Almax with the right hardware, but the idea is just to make your bike harder to nick than the next one. They're expensive but no more expensive than most of those joke chains, you don't always get what you pay for.

OTOH, my chain is a £10 Oxford Bathplug (that may not be the exact model name, but it is what it is) which I could probably bite through. Its job is to deter random passersby from just wandering off with my bike, cost isn't really a concern tbh for something so important but convenience is- the Almax chains are mahoosive.

[Lozzo]

And maybe those on a tight budget? But TBH, if I was buying a bike that I thought was worth nicking and would inconvenience me so much then I'd factor an Almax into the initial outlay on the bike itself.

Security shouldn't be an after-thought on your pride and joy.

Personally I don't care if my bike gets nicked ... it's a copper pointy after all ... seriously though, if it got nicked, I have a car I can use in the meantime and all available security declared to my insurers is being used on it, so they can stump up if it goes ... and then I can go and buy a black pointy with black frame and black wheels :D

You always have the other option...








... move to a less pikey area

[Ceri JC]

cost isn't really a concern tbh for something so important but convenience is- the Almax chains are mahoosive.

So much so that it's a bugger to fit anywhere through the bike, other than a wheels, which will pose little problem to anyone who is going to chuck the bike in the back of a van (rather than ride off); you'll just find a wheel chained to your nice ground anchor in the morning. :D

[Pedro68]

You always have the other option...
... move to a less pikey area
Hmmm, well if Steven Gerrard's house can get burgled in the rather affluent Formby area then I'm afraid I'll take my chances where I am and rather bank on no-one wanting to nick a copper-coloured bike ;-)