Where have they gone?

[gettin2dizzy]

Interesting article here from a 'modern woman' (http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/article3283690.ece)


The comments at the bottom are worth expanding- I tend to agree; I think a large majority of women now do expect it ALL, and that as men we're feeling elss inclined to be walked all over

[Pedro68]

Well quite frankly I couldn't be ar$ed to read the entire article ... just the beginning, a bit in the middle, and the last few paragraphs ... so large pinch of salt required with this:

Think you also have to consider the flip side of all this (and I'm not sure if this woman has mentioned it or not), but a lot of 30-something males (to which she refers) have also already done the marriage, kids, commitment thing and been STUNG (divorce and maintenance ain't cheap! Trust me, I know!).

With that in mind, I think many 30-something guys are probably a LOT more reluctant to then go and do the whole thing all over again and risk being stung for yet more divorce lawyers, and maintenance costs (and possibly another child or children he never gets to see).

There's only so much that some guys can take ... and when you're PS2/PS3 only requires the odd ?40 spending on it (for a game) to keep you occupied for several weeks/months, and that flat screen TV has a TCO* considerably lower than ANY woman, and it's easy to see why we appear to be regressing to "console-playing reclusive boys" as opposed to "most eligible bachelor" material ;-)

BTW, I am neither a console-playing boy, nor a recluse (although it feels like my SV is these days :()

My $0.02 worth FWIW (for what its worth for the anti-text/chat-spk leaguers)

*TCO = Total Cost of Ownership

[Welsh_Wizard]

And we wonder why men are afraid to commit, when women like me are depicted as hormonally charged sperm-bandits interested in nothing beyond the urge to have a chilld.

Nail.

Head.

Bang.

[G]

By definition of the article I am a 'Man'

Been with my girlfriend 8 Years since we were both 16.

Commitment, stupidity, idiocy..... I have heard it all and couldnt really care if people think its sad or whatever else.

We would like to get married, but always feel the money is better spent elsewhere as we have no intention of having any kids. Hence money was spent on buying a big new house, a motorbike and she has just ordered a new mini.

We both want the same things in life and work hard for them so it works very well and we wouldnt want anything else.

The problem discussed in that article in my opinion can be defined as...... by the age of 30 plus, people are generally very independant and set in their ways, they dont want to change their ways to make someone else happy, therefore MR/MISS right will never come along and they will likely never settle down.

Although I'm currently having an affair......









With an XBOX 360, she's not impressed.

[yorkie_chris]

Well that was a waste of 5 minutes of my life.

Woman, stop whinging.

[Ceri JC]

I stopped reading when the silly b***h used 'chauvinism' is the ignorant, populist grammatically incorrect (not to mention highly sexist) manner*. I expect better of The Times. The main reason I read it over other papers is because it's usually written by people who can string a few words together without making me grind my teeth at their SPAG (irrespective of whether I agree with the article in question, the way it's written shouldn't make me sick).

*Chauvinism has nothing to do with men. Chauvinism is not tied to any one group. Using the word 'chauvinism' in manner which suggests it does, by not identifying this group is in most instances (and this is one of them), incorrect. Ironically in this instance, doing so is indicative of female chauvinism!

[pencil shavings]

I can agree with this to an extent. Im 23 and at uni, what Im after from a girlfriend is so differerent to what the 18/19/20 year old that are here are after, hence why im single. with everything, after time when I have my own income again and get used to it, ill be older and more set in my ways. when the girls finaly come back around it might be too late for me to change!!

but im with Ceri JC, it would be writen in a less derogatary way.

[Pedro68]

I've just decided to read the entire article (comments and all) ... and I can see why she is still single now!
Her labelling of "my generation" as "man-boys" (read that as regressing towards immaturity) is about as bad as her assumption that all us thirty-something males think her and her generation are all "well educated, career-driven, hormonally charged, sperm bandits".

[dissuade]

Oh, how true. In my life, men are like parking spaces - all the best ones are taken and the rest are either disabled or too small.

And I am bored of having relationship-incompetent late-thirty-somethings hit on me. But men my own age are not interested. Bah humbug at this relationship thing, I shall just cuddle up with my cat.

[jambo]

Best comment by far was one of the responses:

"There is only one time when a man knows, for certain, that he loves his woman and will stay with her for ever: when she has just chucked him. The rest of the time he’s not sure. I remember the first time my wife said: “Let’s have children!” I knew that this was an historic moment. I must respond like a man. So I ignored her."

:D

[gettin2dizzy]

Oh, how true. In my life, men are like parking spaces - all the best ones are taken and the rest are either disabled or too small.

:lol:


I didn't read all of it either, it's no wonder Miss 'I want to meet a millionaire and marry him on the spot' is single at all. The comments were the funniest.


(I'm by no means having a go at women here, but she managed to write in a way that only that single, 30s woman who watches too many american tv shows can) ;)

[Biker Biggles]

I love the way a certain group of women describe men.All are immature fly by night incompetant numpties.
Then the same women get together to avidly discuss the nuances of who is winning the latest celebrity get me out of here come prancing TV crap or whats happening on Eastenders.The opium of the masses has certainly numbed their senses:D

[DanAbnormal]

Well. I am thirty. I also loves video-games, bikes and am generally quite young at heart. I am also married have been in a steady relationship for 7 years and want to have kids one day. But if I am thirty and like video games that must mean I cannot be grown up enough to be in a mature relationship???! My wife is great fun, we are best friends and so much more, we laugh so much together and have heaps of fun 7 years on. That woman has written that article with lots of sweeping generalisations based upon her own experiences and perceptions. One article does not represent the world or the people in it, it represents one woman's feelings and seemingly narrow views. I actually feel sorry for her.

[Ping]

Hm... Can't really comment on her opinion as having been burnt by my last relationship I'm avoiding getting close enough to anyone to risk it ever happening again. ergo: no experience to back up or refute her claims.

... No matter what my 'biological clock' is doing.

You can think she's right or wrong. In the end it's just one woman's opinion.


Bizarrely I like my toys - online games, motorbike, want to get the book I'm writing published, don't want to be tied down and have to live according to someone else's life - but I'm a mid 30's female... Does that make me a bloke? :lol:

[Warthog]

I love the way a certain group of women describe men.All are immature fly by night incompetant numpties.
Then the same women get together to avidly discuss the nuances of who is winning the latest celebrity get me out of here come prancing TV crap or whats happening on Eastenders.The opium of the masses has certainly numbed their senses:D


Damn right!

[missyburd]

Oh, how true. In my life, men are like parking spaces - all the best ones are taken and the rest are either disabled or too small.


:smt043

Not too sure about "hormonally charged sperm-bandits" but sure was funny. She must be a very lonely lady.

[Pedro68]

Oh, how true. In my life, men are like parking spaces - all the best ones are taken and the rest are either disabled or too small.
Well I suppose it makes a change from the more usual analogy that women draw about finding a decent man ... the one that says we are like toilet cubicles ... either vacant or full of **** :rolleyes: