View Full Version : Wets/ Inters for track use only
tomjones2
26-02-08, 09:45 PM
Hi, I need something to complement my supercorsa for my track sv, I have found the corsa rather lacking in grip even in damp conditions.
What do you recommend, going for full wets and if so which ones, how much?
Going for a soft but fully treaded supersports tyre, again which one?
I am looking at the minitwins route but right now. I want something so I can still go out on track when its wet but dont want to end up destroying wets running them in too dry conditions.
For the wets anyone know who does them for a reasonable price inside london, prefeabley saturday fitting as well. Mail order is also an option and then just finding a friendly fitter.
Sideshow#36
26-02-08, 09:49 PM
I did a test day at Brands back in November last year where it was raining on and off all day but the track never got wet enought for full wets.
I was running Supercorsas (SC2 Rear SC1 Front) and I found that as long as I could keep some heat in them they were pretty good. Also taught me to use the throttle a bit better. Did you use tyre warmers??
chunkytfg
26-02-08, 11:12 PM
I did a test day at Brands back in November last year where it was raining on and off all day but the track never got wet enought for full wets.
I was running Supercorsas (SC2 Rear SC1 Front) and I found that as long as I could keep some heat in them they were pretty good. Also taught me to use the throttle a bit better. Did you use tyre warmers??
He's right you know.
If the track is not damp enough for the tread to actually clear water then in theory there is no need for the tread ata all.
However the tread allowes the carcass to move about more which increases the heat inthe tyre allowing you more grip.
I think what you will find most minitwin riders will do is destroy a set of wets raather than destroy the bike. However if you want to go down the route of 3 sets of tyres you are very limited by choice.
Road tyres are pretty much your only option as anything thats a true inter isnt allowed in minitwins or not suitable in that size for a bike as heavy as a SV as they are 250gp tyres.
Me personally with have a 4th rear wheel this year for those half and half days with a rather knackered wet on it so it doesnt matter if it gets destroyed but affords me the peace of mind that i have a tyre that will stick.
We had a similar thread going only a few weeks ago and came to the conclusion that a set of Dunlop 208 road tyres would be well suited to damp conditions.
tomjones2
27-02-08, 12:14 AM
I was running normal supercorsa's I think sc1 and 2 are the graded ones right? I did you warmers but they hadnet been on very long at it was freezing, very nearly highsided myself on a slowish corner at snetterton. My problem is that I only have 2 sets of wheels and can only really afford 2 sets, i did carry on with the corsa's and had a few wobbles but nothing major, just I have never crashed before and didn't fancy the first time being a 4th gear highside.
So basically i should try harder with the corsa's and get some wets for full rain?
I only stick the warmers on Danny's ZX10 wets for about 20 minutes before he goes out. It doesn't take much for them to be completely ripped to bits if it's not wet enough out there.
I've seen him out there putting in good times on a patchy damp track with slicks, and he assures me that you just need to keep pushing on a bit to keep the heat in them and they're fine.
When I rode his bike at Mallory it started to rain just as I was 3/4 way round Gerards and I was on slicks, they coped alright as there wasn't enough water to make me slide and the heat was staying in the tyres. Admittedly I crapped myself when it started to spot with rain, and I came in on the next lap then went out again after reassurance from the man himself. Getting your knee down with rain falling gently on your visor is a weird feeling, especially when you know there's no tread on your tyres. It certainly wasn't wet enough to warrant putting the wets on and he went out for the rest of the trackday on the slicks.
Blue_SV650S
27-02-08, 09:41 AM
We had a similar thread going only a few weeks ago and came to the conclusion that a set of Dunlop 208 road tyres would be well suited to damp conditions.
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=104917
Track SuperCorsas are actually surprisingly good in the wet - you just need heat in them (and not get them on the slick part ;)).
Anyway, yep 208GPs are a good idea. Work well wet, dry and in the middle .. if it drys out proper, you will kill wets in as little as 5 laps!! .. but the 208s will lap it up!! ;)
I suggested 208s as that is what I have used in the past and they are a good tyre .. but they are well old now (I switched from Dunlops in about 2001) ... what were they superseded by?? I assume they will be ?better??
tomjones2
29-02-08, 01:14 PM
Right as I am probaly going to go racing I am going down the wets route, what do you guys in mini-twins use? how much? and where from - I am happy to source a fitter myself, if mail order is best bet. I live in london btw
sv650k4
29-02-08, 01:24 PM
Right as I am probaly going to go racing I am going down the wets route, what do you guys in mini-twins use? how much? and where from - I am happy to source a fitter myself, if mail order is best bet. I live in london btw
try www.fwr.co.uk (http://www.fwr.co.uk) they do all tyres really cheap aswell!
;)
I suggested 208s as that is what I have used in the past and they are a good tyre .. but they are well old now (I switched from Dunlops in about 2001) ... what were they superseded by?? I assume they will be ?better??
I think the Dunlop 'Qualifiers' replaced the 208's.
Blue_SV650S
29-02-08, 01:57 PM
I think the Dunlop 'Qualifiers' replaced the 208's.
Cool, they look like they have a lot of Dry/Damp potential!! ... I might even try and get a 3nd hand pair for my bike 8) ... Its horrid when it is damp and you don't want to kill a set of wets!! ;)
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tires/92_2_closeup.jpg
Robw#70
29-02-08, 08:47 PM
I keep looking at Pirelli Diablo Corsa's or Sportec M3's as inters as both are pretty sticky but with reasonable tread, just never bought any, toasted wets instead!!
northwind
29-02-08, 09:35 PM
Avon do a road legal wet don't they? Or am I imagining things.
Avon do a road legal wet don't they? Or am I imagining things.
They certainly do.
http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/?page=tyres&method=showtyre&id=14
and in SV650ish sizes too. 120/70 front and 160/60 rear.
Cool, they look like they have a lot of Dry/Damp potential!! ... I might even try and get a 3nd hand pair for my bike 8) ... Its horrid when it is damp and you don't want to kill a set of wets!! ;)
I went for a set of Dunlop 208's in the end. good deal on ebay from 'blackandround' ?163 for a set brand new.
I went for a set of Dunlop 208's in the end. good deal on ebay from 'blackandround' ?163 for a set brand new.
208RRs would have been my choice for track use. I am not a Dunlop fan, their 207 was the worst tyre I've ever tried on any bike they were fitted to, but the 207RR was really good.
One of my mates used to get a van load of 12 lap scrubbed 207RRs from the organisers of the R6 cup, he was flogging them out to us for 50 quid a pair. I ran my Thunderace on them for a year or so - great tyres, but the only great tyre they ever made imo.
I'll report back in a few weeks. WIth the weather as it is I'm sure I'll get a chance to use 'em!
Blue_SV650S
01-03-08, 10:03 AM
208RRs would have been my choice for track use. I am not a Dunlop fan, their 207 was the worst tyre I've ever tried on any bike they were fitted to, but the 207RR was really good.
One of my mates used to get a van load of 12 lap scrubbed 207RRs from the organisers of the R6 cup, he was flogging them out to us for 50 quid a pair. I ran my Thunderace on them for a year or so - great tyres, but the only great tyre they ever made imo.
But the 208GPs are the track/race version of the 208s ... how can the 208RRs be better for the track/racing than the 208GPs?!!? ;)
Its all personal preference I suppose!
But if someone was to buy some race tyres and had never tried any of the 208s, bearing in mind they are the race variant, the GPs would be the logical choice surely!! :thumbsup:
Anyway, unless they are only just sold out now on eBay roundandblack only seem to do the RRs (although they are ?156 inc flymo?) so I presume they are what he has?!?! 8)
Anyway, yeah, lets us know how you get on flymo, but I loved the feedback I got from the 208GPs when I used to race on them!! 8)
But the 208GPs are the track/race version of the 208s ... how can the 208RRs be better for the track/racing than the 208GPs?!!? ;)
Its all personal preference I suppose!
But if someone was to buy some race tyres and had never tried any of the 208s, bearing in mind they are the race variant, the GPs would be the logical choice surely!! :thumbsup:
Anyway, unless they are only just sold out now on eBay roundandblack only seem to do the RRs (although they are ?156 inc flymo?) so I presume they are what he has?!?! 8)
Anyway, yeah, lets us know how you get on flymo, but I loved the feedback I got from the 208GPs when I used to race on them!! 8)
Yeah I wasnt clear, I couldnt get the 208GPs and so I've gone for 208RRs. There will be a 'Qualifier RR' and a D209GP at some stage but they dont supply rear in correct size for SV yet. The RR's will suffice for now, I doubt there is much in it over 10 laps but I'll let you know.
Still have the Pirelli's lurking in the background in case the sun comes out........yeah right.
But the 208GPs are the track/race version of the 208s ... how can the 208RRs be better for the track/racing than the 208GPs?!!? ;)
You've been blathering about D207/8s, not 207/8 'GP's, so I thought you meant the normal crap road version. The GP has the same rubber as the RR but has a pointier front carcass and a different rear carcass more suited track use.
You've been blathering about D207/8s, not 207/8 'GP's
:rolleyes: chuckle...
Blue_SV650S
01-03-08, 12:32 PM
You've been blathering about D207/8s, not 207/8 'GP's, so I thought you meant the normal crap road version. The GP has the same rubber as the RR but has a pointier front carcass and a different rear carcass more suited track use.
I think you are getting confused over the two threads (we have both replied to a few of the same tyre threads in the past couple of weeks) ...
In the other thread we were talking about tyres used on the road (can't even remember if it was a digression or the actual topic now :oops: EDIT: {digs a bit} here we go (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=103492&highlight=1000&page=3)) ... which is where my road experience's with 207s (perhaps 207GPs when you got 4nal about the designator :rolleyes: ... but to be fair the exact variant DOES make a significant difference to what we are talking about so a fair cop ... it was just me being a bit lax with exact designator and just saying 208/207s) came in.
This thread only 208GPs (and what turn out to now be called 'qualifiers') have been discussed/suggested by me as I realised it was for track use only and where I used my track (race) experience of the old Dunlop range!! ;)
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