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Went to mechanic in stratford today and he's got courtesy bike there . an 2001 sv650 with some proper loud renegade can on it (no baffles ) and he wants rid and offered to swap over the cans for free for my standard one and he'll also sort me out on the next mot because it wil obvoiusly fail with this one on
I wanted a can, and wanted somthing cheap, but is renegade proper pap? am i likely to get pulled non stop with it ?, i was gonna spend 50-60£ for a 2nd hand one on here or ebay, but i guess i can't beat free?!?! or is the orignal exhaust worth alot or somithng and im getting bumped?
Just wanted ur ops on this guys :p
bad-sv650
13-03-08, 05:27 PM
you might find you wish you'd keeped the standerd can aswell, but see if there is an insert baffle going with it, or you'll have problems at mot time.
Sounds a good idea, I've got a scropian can and the sound is great, but remember it's one more thing towards getting pulled by the porkies, unless you have the insert.
It's up to you... if it was we ?:stupid: problery would, if he fits it on aswell.
Dangerous Dave
13-03-08, 05:31 PM
Original exhausts arean't worth much, you can pick them up pretty cheap on Ebay (they are just rarer if they are un-cut). As for the renegades they use the standard down pipes and the build quality of the connecting pipe and cans is good, although the weld they do to connect the second down pipe has been known to be crap on some of the systems (I have seen 4 blow).
A swap is good if thats what you are looking for, they are not a performance boosting system though so don't expect huge power gains.
Depends what your local old bill is like as to whether your gonna get pulled over often, I have an M4 full system (which is the loudest for a SV) and I have only been pulled over once in over 6 years.
As for MOT's well that all depends on your MOT station, a proper MOT station will fail it but there are ones out there that will not be to bothered and will only check the safety side of things.
yorkie_chris
13-03-08, 05:36 PM
As for MOT's well that all depends on your MOT station, a proper MOT station will fail it but there are ones out there that will not be to bothered and will only check the safety side of things.
See in my language a "proper" MOT spot is one where they'll pass anything! :D
Dangerous Dave
13-03-08, 05:47 PM
Chris I would have to agree with you on that one, should say 'proper by the law'. Unfortunately thats where I have to take mine, well I don't have too, but with them around the corner it saves on the hassle and swaping the can over takes 2 mins.
Yeah ok guys, bit of confustion for u lot i think
1.Hes gonna swap it over for me for free
2.Hes gonna do my MOT at the same time, and 99% im sure if i go to him in a years time he'll sort an mot out .. :p
Basically its gonna cost me nothing, so rena ain't proper crap? just i think my standard one looks better, as the rena looks exactly the same just more dull or was it just the dirt (it is a ruff courtesy bike so maybe it was just dirty) are they all stainless aswell?
Yeah im not expecting loads of bhp be happy with a 0.5 bhp gain ;) just wanna release some v-twin grunt, it sounds quite nice stanard at 5k upwards at the mo tbh but deffo need a can
EDIT:Btw just let u guys know, yes i do want a can, but want i wanna know is if i am coming out with a better deal? not just cos i want a can but price/cost wise?
Dangerous Dave
13-03-08, 06:15 PM
Yeah, I don't like the look of them either as the link pipes look awful! Not sure about the dull ness, could be dirt but without a pic it's hard to speculate. Renegade made three sleeves types for the cans, titanium (which is a dull matt colour), Stainless Steel, and Carbon Fibre. The link pipes are made from SS but as for the can internals I do not know, someone on here will be along shortly to answer that I'm sure.
yorkie_chris
13-03-08, 06:17 PM
A can for free? That's not really a question worth asking, hell you can have my standard can if you'll come and get it
I migth go for it then , i though it sounded like a good deal... no pun intended:p
You live in London, mostly the police have better things to worry about than a loud pipe. The only 2 people I know who've been stopped recently are one Soho regular with a blue pointy (names withheld to protect the guilty) (Not really a pipe at all, more a megaphone...) and the twin pipes of a certain rattletrap Ducati which used to set off car alarms as he went past. Both of these people have been pulled once for it I believe, were given a rectification notice, stuck a baffle in (in Stu's case put a can on) passed the inspection and then put the bikes back to normal.
I'd go for it if I were you. Check if there is a place to fit a baffle in the cans, and if so go for it if you like them. If you don't like the look of them, don't bother. Your bike is nice and shiny, don't stick anything you don't like on it!
rictus01
13-03-08, 10:54 PM
try not to take his arm off at the shoulder ;)
Cheers Mark.
yorkie_chris
13-03-08, 11:49 PM
Check if there is a place to fit a baffle in the cans,
Easy enough to fit one even in a pure race can
try not to take his arm off at the shoulder ;)
Cheers Mark.
Thank you, at last some proper advice on this thread. :)
You live in London, mostly the police have better things to worry about than a loud pipe. The only 2 people I know who've been stopped recently are one Soho regular with a blue pointy (names withheld to protect the guilty) (Not really a pipe at all, more a megaphone...) and the twin pipes of a certain rattletrap Ducati which used to set off car alarms as he went past. Both of these people have been pulled once for it I believe, were given a rectification notice, stuck a baffle in (in Stu's case put a can on) passed the inspection and then put the bikes back to normal.
I'd go for it if I were you. Check if there is a place to fit a baffle in the cans, and if so go for it if you like them. If you don't like the look of them, don't bother. Your bike is nice and shiny, don't stick anything you don't like on it!
No you got me confused with the other - thought you weren't going to use my name :twisted:
It was the Ducatti that changed cans for rectification notice.
2 of the 4 times I've been stopped relating to my can I was accused of doing over double the speed limit & both times I was let off with 3 & 60 so I may have gotten away both times without attracting attention if it hadn't been for my can. So you can do loud can or naughty things, but putting them together is obviously going to increase your chances of a tug.
See in my language a "proper" MOT spot is one where they'll pass anything! :D
A proper MOT station in my view is one who'll overlook things that are not safety issues, like small plates and loud cans, but do a proper good test on everything that matters, like brakes, lights, tyres and bearings etc
I think good taste should be included in the MOT, so bikes that are festooned with blue or red anodised alloy bits should be failed and the owners sectioned under the Mental Health Act
yorkie_chris
14-03-08, 12:31 AM
Dunno about sectioned, but this is halifax, so does "f### off and get a proper bike, you poof" count as similar?
My local one will pass it, but anything needing attention will get told to "get that sorted ASAP or we'll have problems" ... and anything blatantly dangerous gets a fail.
Dangerous Dave
14-03-08, 08:10 AM
I think good taste should be included in the MOT, so bikes that are festooned with blue or red anodised alloy bits should be failed and the owners sectioned under the Mental Health Act
Sounds a good idea to me, couldn't we just shoot them though as we are getting a little over crowded here (see my location).
Wen and got it done this morning , Sounds amazing and turnt out its a complete Race system not just a can , its took them an over an hour to take my off as the bolts where completly seized so he was nice enuff to charge me just ?25 for fitting it , i gave him my silkolene and genuine oil suzuki oil filter, changed it all round for me , done a fresh MOT and my chainguard rear bolt staped off and he made up a much stonger custom bracket there and then , all in 70? considering 30? of thats the mot alone ****ing cheap
Differnce from standard?
-Sounds amazing
-Deffo revs up alot freely from low revs
-Superligth
Not sure bout power it feels faster lol but proberly due to the noise, but i am sure a full straigth through race system added 2bhp or somthing
anyhows , gonna go clean it up now as its dirty as hell
ASM-Forever
14-03-08, 02:23 PM
Full system should add 4+ BHP.
However you will almost certainly need a remap/rejetting or you will do damage to the bike.
Full system should add 4+ BHP.
However you will almost certainly need a remap/rejetting or you will do damage to the bike.
Thats wat i asked , but they said it would be fine? or does it deffo need rejetting? Any1 know wat jets i'll need ? or does it varie to much? as i can prob fit them myself
ASM-Forever
14-03-08, 02:52 PM
It will pretty certainly need rejetting IMO.
You won't see much benefit power wise without that and it will probably run a bit rough.
I'm more familiar with FI bikes/remapping, however you will prob need a dyno/variety of needles to get the best results. If you have a google you might be able to find the configurations that someone with the same set up used.
rictus01
14-03-08, 03:04 PM
It will pretty certainly need rejetting IMO.
You won't see much benefit power wise without that and it will probably run a bit rough.
I'm more familiar with FI bikes/remapping, however you will prob need a dyno/variety of needles to get the best results. If you have a google you might be able to find the configurations that someone with the same set up used.
Na you won't, just swapping the can over , you'll be fine,it won't cause any harm at all and sound awesome.
If you're after power gains and such, then a full system/re-jet/re-filter & dyno time or different bike are worth looking at, and that isn't what the original poster was talking about, but the SV is a good package for what it is and a can just makes it sund as it should, don't mokey around with the air filter, needles/jet's or anything else unless it's done in the spirit of "playing about" as it will return very little.
Cheers Mark.
ASM-Forever
14-03-08, 03:07 PM
Na you won't, just swapping the can over , you'll be fine,it won't cause any harm at all and sound awesome.
If you're after power gains and such, then a full system/re-jet/re-filter & dyno time or different bike are worth looking at, and that isn't what the original poster was talking about, but the SV is a good package for what it is and a can just makes it sund as it should, don't mokey around with the air filter, needles/jet's or anything else unless it's done in the spirit of "playing about" as it will return very little.
Cheers Mark.
i would agree with you, however its a full race system. :smt048
It seems to runn fine?but i'll get it dyno tested and jetted in the future, is it fine to ride for now? or should i do this asap?
ASM-Forever
14-03-08, 03:17 PM
Depends how rich/lean etc it is running. You have to make the judgement for yourself, but IMO there is a possibility that you could knacker your engine.
Its your decision at the end of the day!
rictus01
14-03-08, 03:21 PM
If it's a standard bike and all you've changed is the can, then it'll be fine and run without any damage to the engine at all, you won't be the first or last to do it.
If you've money to burn or need peace of mind, then feel free, I wouldn't for just that.
Cheers Mark.
Renegade made fantstic cans, all hand made and rebuildable. Grab it whist you can!
Dan
If it's a standard bike and all you've changed is the can, then it'll be fine and run without any damage to the engine at all, you won't be the first or last to do it.
If you've money to burn or need peace of mind, then feel free, I wouldn't for just that.
Cheers Mark.
see its not just the can mate its the full system,the bike is completly standard,thats the thing it seems to run fine, i wouldn't mind taking to do a dyno place for 20-30mins on there and just to be sure and see wat its running,but i don't think theres any round me with stuff like that,SE London/kent, never seen any biek dynos round here
see its not just the can mate its the full system,the bike is completly standard,thats the thing it seems to run fine, i wouldn't mind taking to do a dyno place for 20-30mins on there and just to be sure and see wat its running,but i don't think theres any round me with stuff like that,SE London/kent, never seen any biek dynos round here
Get the full system then! Jets are cheap!
rictus01
14-03-08, 03:58 PM
if it's a full system but standard jets and air filter it'll be running a bit rich, few pops & bangs, and consumption will be up a bit, but you won't do any damage, OK you're no maximising the benefits, but if you're happy just use it like that.
Cheers Mark.
Dangerous Dave
14-03-08, 03:59 PM
It may be a full system but is not a race system, they are stock headers modified to run with two cans.
rictus01
14-03-08, 04:01 PM
It may be a full system but is not a race system, they are stock headers modified to run with two cans.
in which case, back to my original point.
It may be a full system but is not a race system, they are stock headers modified to run with two cans.
two cans ? it has only have one can.. not double
theres seems to be confuestion ITS fitted NOW, i rode it back from stratford to wooliwch no pops no bangs no nothing...even off the thottle from any revs... no pops?
Twinny, it'll be fine mate. Renegade never made a full race system for the SV that I know of, they modified the original pipework though on the ones I've seen. This may be why the garage found it easier to swap the full exhaust systems across, but the effect on the fueling is less than it would be with a full system from Hindle or M4 say. This is good news for you as you can leave the bike alone and ride it.
Jambo
Ahh if they never made one thats cool, but probelem is its completly differnt from a standard down pipes and connectors... looking nothing alike , doesn't even look modified...?!?!
maybe cos its from a 2001 sv ? mines 2003 52 plate k2? mayve there where more cats in the last curveys than the eariler ones? i know from rs125's i had over 3 and newer they got the more cats they got
I think some pics would probably help at this point then. Alternativly, we'll have a gander if you're down at Soho later.
I think some pics would probably help at this point then. Alternativly, we'll have a gander if you're down at Soho later.
lol u see my post allready?;)
Dangerous Dave
14-03-08, 04:57 PM
Ah... sorry thought you were on about the twin renegade exhausts. Anyway, renegade did make a single pipe semi-full system for the Curvy SV, it was crap so it never really took off. Hence why they only mod standard downpipes now!!!
You won't need any fuelling mod's with a full system like that, same with the Micron which is also designed to work on standard fuelling (not a performance exhaust).
As for your Cat theory the curvy's didn't get one I don't think, only the pointys. I stand to be corrected.
rictus01
14-03-08, 05:03 PM
No Cat on any of the curvy's or in the rene cans.
Cheers Mark.
It was the Ducatti that changed cans for rectification notice.
[-X Just to clear things up I took it to a friendly MOT station who believe that loud cans save lives and they stamped the rectification notice straight away so didn't have to change them back to the standard cans. I got pulled for that near Box Hill as they were stopping bikes specifically to check cans. In London I have never been stopped and I've had some stupidly loud cans before (empty's Viper can on the SV comes to mind :lol: ) and believe that a loud can is essential to fight the lemmings.
:D
yorkie_chris
14-03-08, 05:28 PM
if it's a full system but standard jets and air filter it'll be running a bit rich,
A freer flowing system makes it run rich? Thought it went the other way?
rictus01
14-03-08, 05:50 PM
A freer flowing system makes it run rich? Thought it went the other way?
without the standard headers and prosuming nothing else is changed, more unburnt fuel will get threw into the exhaust, you'll end up with a black deposit around the outlet.
Standard headers are designed to provide a degree of back pressure for this very purpose.
Cheers Mark.
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