Newbie wanting to buy a new SV sport

[sam_p2000]

I cant believe it...i finally make a deal with the missus to stop smoking to pay for the finance on a new sv650 sport and they have stopped making them in the Blue! Does anybody know of anywhere still doing the K6/7 brand new on the 0% finance in the UK? If so please let me know as im not all that taken on the new black and battleship grey colour schemes available on the K8 :(

[KnightRider]

This is just my opinion - but don't do it!

I was a newbie in May and got myself a brand new K7. Trouble is I am now looking to upgrade and have lost a good ?1000 off the showroom value. Personally I wish I had gotten myself a 6 - 9 month old SV that someone like me was selling for upgrade.

If you are new to biking then you also need to consider that you will most likely drop the bike at somepoint and which ever way you look at it, that hurts your pride!

Jon

PS - getting a new bike is nice, but the novelty wears off pretty quickly.

Also sorry for derailing the thread. Dont know where you can get a blue one from. You could just ring up every dealer in the region and ask them?

[sam_p2000]

Sound advice there...i have just pm'd another member with one for sale lol. Im actually moving backwards as i passed my DAS a year ago and have a CBR600 on an old N-plate but its a money pit for parts so something a bit newer & more reliable would be nice. I know its a downgrade in terms of power but the cbr still scares me sometimes as i only ride in fair weather so dont get out on 2 wheels much thanks to the british 'summer'!

[Toypop]

I lost a grand when I got bored of my new SVS after 6 months...

Oh and I got a discount off list price which you may not get if you go for 0%.

For not much more you can get a new SS600 which I think might hold its value better. Or you can get a bang up to date slightly used one for less than a new SV.

Get the SV if you want one but buy it used. Unless you are absolutely 100% sure you will love it for the next 5 years with no intention of selling it.

[Dangerous Dave]

New riders should never buy a brand new bike, always get second hand!!!

If you decide that biking isn't for you or the bike doesn't suit you you will lose a fair whack when selling/part ex-ing your SV. Go for second hand, any age or model SV will be good they are basically all the same (pointy/curvy) bike and offer the same performance and experience.

People commonly get bored of SV's as they feel its not the right image, they'll start buying the papers and mags which only rave about the latest 600's or 1000's and they feel thats what they must have. I'm sure all the long term SV riders here can tell you that an SV with sorted suspension will make mince meat of the 600/1000 brigade!!!

[fizzwheel]

Meh...

It depends on how confident you are, I wouldnt listen to the doom mongers on here, yes you might drop it, but then again you might not, if you do well thats what insurance is for isnt it.

You can minimise the risk by fitting crash bungs / bobbins etc etc.

If you want a new bike, then go for it, nothing beats that new bike look, feeling and smell. Also buying new, you dont have to worry about inheriting somebody else's bodge ups, poor maitenance, shoddy spannering etc etc. You can keep the bike exactly how you like it and your safe in the knowledge that you know exactly what hasnt or has been done to it.

Dont worry about depreciation, droppnig it or loosing money if you decide its not for you, stuff it, its not supposed to be a money making exercise or one thats tied up with hang ups about dropping your bike every five minutes, its supposed to be fun.

My 2 year old GSXR is worth half what I paid for it, do I care, do I f*ck, the enjoyment its given me is worth every penny of the money its lost through depreciation.

[Wayluya]

Get the SV if you want one but buy it used. Unless you are absolutely 100% sure you will love it for the next 5 years with no intention of selling it.

I guess this applies to pretty much any vehicle - selling in the first couple of years always involves taking a large knock..........FWIW if I was starting out again and using an SV650 as a stepping stone towards a "Big Bike" I wouldn't buy new......but if intending to own for a good few years, IMO their is a certain comfort in knowing you are not buying someone else's problems........probably quite an attractive option just after owning a bike that needed regular dollops of ??? notes :tongue:

Although I am sure that the SV650 will be exactly what I want / need - and delivery "end of the month" - I was kinda p#ssed that a nice ZZR1200 came up at a good price recently......what do I need one of these for? I don't!, but...........:smt068

[Lozzo]

This is just my opinion - but don't do it!

I was a newbie in May and got myself a brand new K7. Trouble is I am now looking to upgrade and have lost a good ?1000 off the showroom value. Personally I wish I had gotten myself a 6 - 9 month old SV that someone like me was selling for upgrade.

If you are new to biking then you also need to consider that you will most likely drop the bike at some point and which ever way you look at it, that hurts your pride!



He's bang on there. You can get a really nice, very low mileage 2 to 3 yr old SV for about 3 grand. If you're lucky it will have some desireable extras already fitted as well.

To give you an idea, my immaculate 4200 mile 05 plate black K5S cost me less than 3 grand, and had a tail tidy, R+G bungs, fairing lowers, race can and Racetech modified fork internals when I bought it. It feels like a new bike, looks like a new bike but won't devalue like a new bike.

[Lozzo]

Meh...

It depends on how confident you are, I wouldnt listen to the doom mongers on here, yes you might drop it, but then again you might not, if you do well thats what insurance is for isnt it.

Too right, it's not just new riders who crash either. After nearly 30 years of riding daily my K5S was laying under a car's back bumper 2 weeks after I bought it. All sorted by my fully comp insurance.

You can minimise the risk by fitting crash bungs / bobbins etc etc.


My R+Gs did a wonderful job of minimising the damage...right up to the point the bike on its side hit the car and wedged itself underneath it. It fell on its right side, but most of the damage was to the front and the left where it hit the car.

Buy crash-bungs, people, they work.

[sam_p2000]

Perhaps the better option for me would be a used one in that case...i have been swaying towards a K2 gsxr as an alternative but feel as a fairly new rider it would be like giving a grenade to an afgahn! the old cbr is heavy and predictable whereas a newer bike is going to knock me sideways for handeling even if its lower powered.

[neio79]

I'm sure all the long term SV riders here can tell you that an SV with sorted suspension will make mince meat of the 600/1000 brigade!!!
:rolleyes: this old chestnut again eh??

it should say possibly, as same rider on a SV and a ss600, the SS600 will win.

[Lozzo]

:rolleyes: this old chestnut again eh??

it should say possibly, as same rider on a SV and a ss600, the SS600 will win.

I'm quicker on my old hat steel framed 98 model CBR600 with 32K mile knackered suspension than I ever am on my '05 SV650 with sorted handling. Maybe it's because the CBR owes me a fifth of what the SV cost, and therefore I couldn't care less if I throw it up the track.

[shonadoll]

Personally I'm glad I bought new. I like the peace of mind with a warranty, while I learn to do the basic stuff myself.

[ASM-Forever]

:rolleyes: this old chestnut again eh??

it should say possibly, as same rider on a SV and a ss600, the SS600 will win.

+1

Unless the rider is completely retarded( or should i say really new) and short shifts all the time, then they should be faster on the ss600.

A SV with sorted suspension still isn't going to be as good as a ss600(unless maybe you throw thousands at it, but even them maybe not).

When you add in the power difference, the same rider should be faster on the sports bike.

However what i will say is that the SV is possibly easier to ride faster for a new/nervous rider. The power is lower down and more accesible.(I'm not saying the ss600 is all top end, but it requires a certain degree of confidence to thrash them). They also require a bit more riding technique as if you really want to fly you have to dance up/down the gear box.

[sam_p2000]

I'm quicker on my old hat steel framed 98 model CBR600 with 32K mile knackered suspension than I ever am on my '05 SV650 with sorted handling. Maybe it's because the CBR owes me a fifth of what the SV cost, and therefore I couldn't care less if I throw it up the track.

lmfao that would be why! tbh im not going to be tracking just yet and although i have not ridden an sv yet i have been told they are more fun on the B roads because of the midrange torque. I did have to work the gears to get all the available power from the cbr as it all came in above 8k rpm. Perhaps i am wrong though and should take another look at a gsxr?

[metalmonkey]

Well my SV was my first big bike that I got after the DAS, I bought mine brand new, its on 0% finance I got money off the list price as well.

I intened on buying and keeping my bike long term also for me its was the only way I could afford to have nice bike, I didn't have enough saved for a second hand bike and wanted evereything that goes with a new bike.

Did I rush into it, yeah I probally did but it has wroked out for me the bike is my primary transport so it needs to be reliable.

I will have lost money on it for sure, but it wouldn't have been that much I want to keep mine for 3-4 years which will give time to build up the NCB as well. That how I did with cars drove cheap cars, and built that up.

[Dangerous Dave]

it should say possibly, as same rider on a SV and a ss600, the SS600 will win.
Not found one in your area yet mate!!!

[KnightRider]

I lost a grand when I got bored of my new SVS after 6 months...

Oh and I got a discount off list price which you may not get if you go for 0%.

For not much more you can get a new SS600 which I think might hold its value better. Or you can get a bang up to date slightly used one for less than a new SV.

Get the SV if you want one but buy it used. Unless you are absolutely 100% sure you will love it for the next 5 years with no intention of selling it.

I would agree with ToyPop.

I dont think that the modern SS600's are too much for a newbie. From my experience riding a CBR600RR K7 in my first 4 months of biking I found it to infinately more stable; much lighter with better and lower down weight distribution; and the power curve was more manageble (until you get to 10,000rpm - you have to be mindful but not cautious of the power surge here).

The new SS600's have far more mid-range power these days meaning that you can start off bimbling round the countryside in the lower rpm's and then grow into the bike as your skills develop. When I passed everyone said that I shouldn't get a SS600 as they reckoned that it was too much power for a newbie. With hind sight I can confirm that they were wrong in my case. If had bought a SS600 when I passed then I probably wouldn't be looking to upgrade now.

I would also like to point out to those that say that SS600's are too much, that it is your choice when to change gear, and your choice when to wind the throttle on. I realise that some people feel that they would get carried away with the power, but that just isnt me. I will not ride beyond my abilities and aim to stay well within them 100% of the time.

If you're looking for a good bike to learn on then the K7 CBR600RR would be my first choice. It will give you a solid platform to learn and will develop with you as a rider.

Jon

PS - you should note that my situation is different to yours as I commute 60 miles a day and have clocked up 9,000 miles since I passed in June. That said I still think that the CBR600RR K7 is a very managable bike for newbies.

[neio79]

Not found one in your area yet mate!!!
that is cos you aint seen me yet ;):p.

[Paul the 6th]

me buying an 05 plate SV650 s (added sport bits after), in december 500miles on the clock in blue, ?3k :) was well chuffed, not gonna buy new until i get something special :)

[KnightRider]

I know its a downgrade in terms of power but the cbr still scares me sometimes as i only ride in fair weather so dont get out on 2 wheels much thanks to the british 'summer'!

Could I also point out that any bike can get you into trouble if you dont have the experience. I would therefore recommend additional training such as IAM. I haven't signed up myself yet (so I am not someone who has a vested interest in selling this training), but I do realise that gaining the right level or practice/experience in anything that you do (especially when it is potentially dangerous) is very important.

I am considering IAM because my experience of riding on country roads is very low and I know that this is something I need to improve on. I could just take myself round some country lanes every weekend for 2-3 months to gain the knowledge but I am too lazy for that.

Overall I find that (and this goes for everything I do) once I have a certain base level of experience then this stays with me forever. I therefore know that if I practice riding on country roads intensively for a period of time I will always be safer riding on them in the future - even if I haven't tackled those sorts of roads for long periods of time. I also know that having riden intensively for 9 months, that if I were to turn into a fair weather rider I would have no trouble picking up my skillset again after the winter period.

I wouldn't mind betting that you would be the same, and you should therefore consider the possibility that your training is letting you down and not the CBR600's power.

This is just my pennies worth - I am not trying to be inflammatory with my comments and am only trying to help. I am sure that others will have differing opinions.

Jon

[Dangerous Dave]

that is cos you aint seen me yet ;):p.
:lol: :thumbsup:

[Defender]

I bought mine new and I'm chuffed with it. I make a concerned effort to clean it and make sure everything is spot on.

TBH, I'm not sure how people can out grow an SV within a short time of starting riding. Its a great bike through and through. :)

[KnightRider]

I bought mine new and I'm chuffed with it. I make a concerned effort to clean it and make sure everything is spot on.

TBH, I'm not sure how people can out grow an SV within a short time of starting riding. Its a great bike through and through. :)

Done 9,000 miles on the SV but unfortunately someone ran me over 3 months in and I was given a CBR600RR as a hire bike for 3 months.

Once you have ridden something like the CBR you just dont want to go back!

[Defender]

Done 9,000 miles on the SV but unfortunately someone ran me over 3 months in and I was given a CBR600RR as a hire bike for 3 months.

Once you have ridden something like the CBR you just dont want to go back!

Suppose you'd been given a CG125 instead :)

[Alpinestarhero]

Sound advice there...i have just pm'd another member with one for sale lol. Im actually moving backwards as i passed my DAS a year ago and have a CBR600 on an old N-plate but its a money pit for parts so something a bit newer & more reliable would be nice. I know its a downgrade in terms of power but the cbr still scares me sometimes as i only ride in fair weather so dont get out on 2 wheels much thanks to the british 'summer'!

Firstly, get out more on your bike :D then you wont be so scared. Riding is fun all year round, just fit hotgrips and get some waterproof textiles

secondly, there's prbably a few second hand blue sv sports around for sale, allready run in. SV engines go on well past 130,000 miles, so dont be scared of something with what you perceive to be a high milage.

thirdly, getting around to getting out more on your bike, bikes are more reliable when they are used :D so theres ur excuse :D

Matt