View Full Version : Should I smoke Dope?
pencil shavings
26-03-08, 10:42 PM
on BBC 3 now
really bias against the use of, but an funny watch anyway!
ASM-Forever
27-03-08, 01:15 AM
Yes. HTH.
pencil shavings
27-03-08, 01:46 AM
yeah............
that post was ment to also be asking if anyone else saw it?!
ASM-Forever
27-03-08, 01:52 AM
yeah............
that post was ment to also be asking if anyone else saw it?!
I know. :p
pencil shavings
27-03-08, 02:06 AM
I know. :p
ahh, but you thought you would take this chance to push drugs on the impressionable youth!!
how much for an 8th? :rave:
gettin2dizzy
27-03-08, 07:22 AM
They're all in bed still ;)
on BBC 3 now
really bias against the use of, but an funny watch anyway!
What did you expect? Is it bias or just common sense/factual? :smt102
Why people feel the need to have to smoke the stuff, or take drugs in any form is beyond me. I just feel sorry for them that they obviously have something missing in thier lives that they have to fill it with this kind of stuff!
DanAbnormal
27-03-08, 09:10 AM
I used to smoke. Allbeit not very well. Never really did it for me but no worse than alcohol imho.
gettin2dizzy
27-03-08, 09:17 AM
Why people feel the need to have to smoke the stuff, or take drugs in any form is beyond me. I just feel sorry for them that they obviously have something missing in thier lives that they have to fill it with this kind of stuff!
That's why people go out and give it a try ;)
dizzyblonde
27-03-08, 09:37 AM
i liked the fact that the woman in the docu, was injected with the equivalant, just her giggly outburst made me sit and giggle at her too. Not too sure about the 2nd one making her so depressed, I think it has to be used more often to make you feel like that.....suppose its what dose they gave her
yorkie_chris
27-03-08, 12:42 PM
Far more interesting things in life than drugs...
Anyway, it was a BBC documentary, would you expect anything other than bias?
I tried some magic ginger cake in Amsterdam.....funniest damn thing I ever did. Couldnt stop giggling for hours :-)
fat_brstd
27-03-08, 01:08 PM
I liked the fact that they failed to explain the current law correctly and decided to choose idiots to represent the pot head teenagers. Her initial experiances with it were exactly what you would expect from someone with that level anxiety about taking something. She was worried about it and thusly when it changed her sences she got even more worried about and it sprialled out of control, also the idea of having 25 drags on a spliff when she had specifically been told to only have 2 or 3 then wait 10mins was frankly stupid. Why do you think that at parties it is generally a 2 toke and pass it on rule to stop people who havnt done it a lot from doing exactly what she did.
The doctor who said that she would recomend not doing it at all because the risks were so great irritated me immensly. She provided a very biased view of something which she either didnt understand or was trying to look to tough for the cameras, neither of these is a valid way to give people information on which to base their own decisions.
I did like the almost correct explanation of the effect of the various active ingredients and the 2 injections that she was given. That was something I hadnt seen done on tv before and whilst not even close to a proper scientific experiment it did at least show some sensible research into consumption is being done. The changes between her when it was pure thc vs thc and other cannabinoids was highly interesting and something like this may lead to growers changing the way that bread there plants. For a long long time the basis behind making stronger strains was to go for more thc but if people want to get giggly (which has always been to point with myself) then maybe they need to change this preconception.
I started smoking pot when i was 12 and have done so regually for the last 7 or 8 years since I was about 15. All the way through 6th form and through uni which I somehow managed to get through and still get a 1st from a very good uni and I now have a proper job which requires me to think and I still smoke. My life and friends do not revolve around pot like can happen with a lot of people. Most of my friends dont smoke and infact I am the only person in my house who does and my housemates have all tried it and dont like it so its there choice not to and I'm certainly not going to push it onto them, I'm too tight to waste my green on them.
All in all im glad they did it but it could have been a lot better and provide more factual evidence rather than 1 middle age middle class womans view of something she seemed to have a conclusion made about before she even started her 'experiment'.
Why people feel the need to have to smoke the stuff, or take drugs in any form is beyond me. I just feel sorry for them that they obviously have something missing in thier lives that they have to fill it with this kind of stuff!
So I guess I wont have to get you a pint at the AR then. Thats a silly and very bigotted view against something which you appear to have never dabled with and thusly have no idea what you are talking about.
So I guess I wont have to get you a pint at the AR then. Thats a silly and very bigotted view against something which you appear to have never dabled with and thusly have no idea what you are talking about.
Weed doesnt bother me either way. If its what people want to do then fine, it used to **** me off when people did it around me or in public because of how frequently we used to get drug tested when i was into sports.
Likewise if you were to partake in drug smoking at an .org organised event like the AR then I imagine some people wont be very impressed.
Drugs are bad... Mmkay?
:lol:
However I see nothing wrong with weed, though I admit to worrying about people who smoke the stuff all the time (i.e. work breaks, or even if they're driving, etc).
Like booze, I feel there's a time and a place for it and that is if you're not doing anything you have to be responsible for. O:)
So I guess I wont have to get you a pint at the AR then. Thats a silly and very bigotted view against something which you appear to have never dabled with and thusly have no idea what you are talking about.
No you wont, as i dont drink either. As for a silly view. Why? No i havent dabbled, but have seen a few close friends and families lives ruined buy drugs of all types include 'dope' So, wind your neck in! Its wrong, should be banned 100%. and those who think it should be legalised, are a proven bi-product of thier recreational habits...off thier nuts!
21QUEST
27-03-08, 02:08 PM
.....and those who think it should be legalised, are a proven bi-product of thier recreational habits...off thier nuts!
Blimey, <note to self, do not to pitch next to Viney> :o
Ben
pencil shavings
27-03-08, 02:13 PM
I think the problem with weed is more its perception than what it actually is. acholhol kills loads more people than weed does (i think youd be hardpressed to find a weed induced death) cafine is massivly addictive and gives a buzz, yet you see youge kids running around drinking those 500ml cans of relentless! I bought one of them once when they 1st came out as it was a special offer price and i didnt know what it was, i could only drink half of it and i was buzzing off my t1ts. cigarets cause massive damage, and cost the government millions.
you have to go really far back to figure out why weed is actually illegal, started out in USA because guess what, it thretened oil. hemp oil can be used as a pertol replacement and recently, 2000ish, a guy drove a hemp oil car across the states. http://www.hempcar.org/
anyway, i wasnt advocating the use of drugs, each to their own. but i am always surprised at blatiant bias in the press, because people who dont know any better will treat this as fact and then spout it to everyone else!
pencil shavings
27-03-08, 02:24 PM
No you wont, as i dont drink either. As for a silly view. Why? No i havent dabbled, but have seen a few close friends and families lives ruined buy drugs of all types include 'dope' So, wind your neck in! Its wrong, should be banned 100%. and those who think it should be legalised, are a proven bi-product of thier recreational habits...off thier nuts!
do you seriously think all drugs should be baned? or just the ones that are illegal already?
Think about it like this. If all, every single one, recreational drugs were legal, the knock on effects would be huge. firstly and most importantly, drugs are used to fund organised crime, making drugs legal would take it out the hands of the underworld criminals and into the hands of the corporate gangsters, therefore helping to illimate street crimes. which would in turn, reduce policing requirments, effectivly increasing the size of the police force. and even if it didnt have the effect of moving drugs off the street corner and into the shops, which i cant see how it wouldnt, the police would never have to deal with drug related crime, there for saving the tax payer millions.
but the downside to this is many people would lose their jobs, the DEA for instance would sease to exisit (i cant remember the UK equv.)
with all this 'extra' money, proper drug education and treatment could be put in place to actaully give effective help rather than the poor excuse for a set up we currently have.
just because drugs are legal, everyone isnt going to suddently start doing crack and robbing houses. I am of the view if you want to drugs, you will do drugs, legal or otherwise.
I thought moving away from london would show me that people in surrey dont smoke weeds as much. I was right, but the use of coke was somthing that really amazed me. drug use is everywhere.
I dont think that drugs will actaully be legalised, but i think it is ecnomicaly in the short and long term, the best move, and socially in the long run the best move.
but just to note, just because i think drugs should be legal, i dont think they should be used and i would never advice someone to try them.
DanAbnormal
27-03-08, 02:31 PM
No you wont, as i dont drink either. As for a silly view. Why? No i havent dabbled, but have seen a few close friends and families lives ruined buy drugs of all types include 'dope' So, wind your neck in! Its wrong, should be banned 100%. and those who think it should be legalised, are a proven bi-product of thier recreational habits...off thier nuts!
Do you laugh, or is that outlawed in your country too! :rolleyes:
Lets not turn this thread into a flame-athon please guys.
Why people feel the need to have to smoke the stuff, or take drugs in any form is beyond me. I just feel sorry for them that they obviously have something missing in thier lives that they have to fill it with this kind of stuff!
I recall expressing this very view a little while ago, and being put down for it by some.
Spiderman
27-03-08, 03:00 PM
Well i for one will be having a smoke of the green stuff at the AR so if you dont like me smoking in the middle of a field and effecting noone but myself with it then please dont come hang about with me.
In fact maybe we should have a little smokers poll for the AR as i'm not so bloody minded as to expect everyone to be cool with it.
I know there are a fair few smokers on here... and probably even more anti it so lets not let that be a cause for friction at the AR, eh?
Viney... i like you dude, just never knew you felt this way about it so i wont be smoking anywhere near you dont worry ;)
Warthog
27-03-08, 03:05 PM
I don't like smoking myself, but if someone else wants to do it in an open field then they are perfectly welcome to and I will come over and have a chat :)
pencil shavings
27-03-08, 03:08 PM
In fact maybe we should have a little smokers poll for the AR. I know there are a fair few smokers on here... and probably even more anti it so lets not let that be a cause for friction at the AR, eh?
:thumbsup:
Anyway as a U rated site, do you really think that this should be discussed, with the possibility of bring the site in disrepute(sp?)
Do you laugh, or is that outlawed in your country too! :rolleyes:
Oh i laugh! Laugh at all the people who think that its cool to smoke dope, take drugs or wahtever because THEY think it doenst affect them in the long run.
DanAbnormal
27-03-08, 04:04 PM
Oh i laugh! Laugh at all the people who think that its cool to smoke dope, take drugs or wahtever because THEY think it doenst affect them in the long run.
Jeez man, cool down. You might burst a vessel or something. I haven't smoked since I was about 16 but I thinkk expecting everyone to feel as you do is a little optimistic to say the least. I've met you and you seem like a very nice guy but I think we all need to excercise a reality check here. People smoke and do drugs. Not all of them are granny robbing, house breaking nutters. Peace be with you all. :cool:
How Viney's comment can be regarded as bigotted is beyond me. To say so seems a typical defensive response from someone in denial of the harm drugs do, not sometimes but always to varying degrees. Saying that someone knows nothing about the issue because they haven't taken drugs is a bit daft. Most understand the harm of smoking without having smoked ourselves. Reminds me of one of those cop documentaries when they pulled over a kid on a scooter obviously a little drunk. he said he rode better when he had a few bevvies - muppet.
What worries me are any youngsters that may read this thread could get the impression that smoking dope is relatively harmless and easy to control. Chances are they won't be able to control it and the problem will escalate.
Jester666
27-03-08, 04:11 PM
Just talk to Frank!
Just talk to Frank!
Is he your dealer?
What worries me are any youngsters that may read this thread could get the impression that smoking dope is relatively harmless and easy to control. Chances are they won't be able to control it and the problem will escalate.
Not likely. There are arguments for and against it. As long as that remains, when the time comes they can choose which side they agree with more. Isn't that what discussion is all about?
The bitchiness seeping in here however is where we need to draw the line.
Heres another view then.
Legalise it. Then put 66% revenue on the price that you all currently pay, then how much fun would it be.
timwilky
27-03-08, 04:23 PM
Viney, I don't know why you bother mate. Those that defend the stuff will never accept there is anything wrong, you will not persuade them. You might as well talk to a brick wall.
I don't do dope. did, all it did was get me hooked on tobacco for a few years. Yes I drink, at least I accept that is in its way harming me. I see dope harming my family and don't like it.
sv-robo
27-03-08, 04:23 PM
This may sound like i'm contradicting myself a bit as i used to be superfit as a kid and in my teens...football/martial arts and really against drugs.
Then around the age of 17 i was offered a reefer by some friends and tried it,didn't feel as though it did anything,then later when i went home and spoke to my dad i realised just how off my t*ts i was.Have now been a smoker on and off for around 18yrs now and my thoughts are theres nothing wrong with it in your own home behind closed doors after a hard days work to wind down and chill out with,its certainly no worse than alcohol.Have tried your rave drugs Lsd/speed in my late teen/early twentys and that was only recreationly once a month,then when the kids were born they were knocked straight on the head.
Ive never tried hard drugs ie heroin/coke nor did i ever want to,some of my ex mates did thats why there my ex mates as the change in them was terrible(at the end of the day if you can't trust your mates then i don't want them as mates).
Really if it's only recreationly and it's not having any kind of negative affect on your job/family etc i don't see the problem,its only when people havent the willpower/common sense to know when enoughs enough that it becomes a problem.
MY VERDICT
If you want to use fair enough,it does'nt make you a bad person just stay away from the class a sh1te and never let it control your life. Other stuff every now and again(rave drugs right time right place is'nt a bad thing)and when my kids grow up ive been there seen it/done it which puts me in a better position to educate them on the dangers etc.
Bottom line
once in a while makes you smile:smt033
DanAbnormal
27-03-08, 04:27 PM
How Viney's comment can be regarded as bigotted is beyond me.
I think the point was that Viney's response is based on personal experience. And a bad one it seems. But that doesn't mean that every one who likes a bit of pot now and again goes out robbing people to feed the 'habit'. It's like saying that anyone who enjoys a pint now and again will end up an alcoholic, it just isn't accurate or true. In fact the majority of those using drugs (except the hard stuff) just do it on occasion for a bit if fun. Not my cuppa but crack on if it's what you like. Personally I don't see the harm in legalising cannabis provided it is monitored and the substance is controlled. I guess then though there is still room for a black market but it will be no worse than today. I would never dream of legalising 'hard' drugs though. One could say that Viney's response was a little bit typically 'defensive'. Just saying it as I see it and I don't even like recreational drugs.
Viney, I don't know why you bother mate. Those that defend the stuff will never accept there is anything wrong, you will not persuade them. You might as well talk to a brick wall.
I don't do dope. did, all it did was get me hooked on tobacco for a few years. Yes I drink, at least I accept that is in its way harming me. I see dope harming my family and don't like it.Tim me old fruit, i agree.
Im going to go back to my own little bigoted, non sensical world and leve them to it.
Not likely. There are arguments for and against it. As long as that remains, when the time comes they can choose which side they agree with more. Isn't that what discussion is all about? Is that why we see so many youngsters smoking? We'll have to agree to disagree on that, I can't accept (given my experience of life - perhaps limited?) that 'kids' can make decisions of this magnitude based on simply reading a thread. There is a natural desire for most to dare the riskier side of life. Surely we shoud be discouraging that approach when we do know better?
The bitchiness seeping in here however is where we need to draw the line. Seems very mild compared to most threads but I can see what you mean, but it is an emotive subject, choices of words when quoting people can be a bit much - perhaps a bit more care required when stating a disagreement. If only we were all experts in the English language and communication! But who could write the rules.
Jester666
27-03-08, 04:35 PM
Viney, I don't know why you bother mate. Those that defend the stuff will never accept there is anything wrong, you will not persuade them. You might as well talk to a brick wall.
And those that say its wrong etc will never accept the others view either.
That's the way of things I guess!
One could say that Viney's response was a little bit typically 'defensive'.
Not sure about that but yes, some good comment, certainly it dosn't mean all who partake are bad. Often quite the reverse. Its the denial that worries/baffles me and the message that youngsters take from that, tis all and when under the influence (I don't mean this in extreme) can they make the right decision about accepting something stronger. I don't know, just a concern.
It's a difficult subject because many taking drugs probably did so ill informed, through peer pressure, trickery and so and its that area that gets emotive for me. Is it really as controllable as people imply? Or are they simply refusing to accept it? It may be no worse than fast fooding every day but I think most of us accept that that isn't a good diet and as parent we would limit this for our own kids wouldn't we rather than let them make the choice?
I need a cup of tea!!
ArtyLady
27-03-08, 04:50 PM
I saw it - very interesting. As for the argument that people become psychotic - ok maybe some do, but then but I'll bet there's more casualties from alchohol and cigarettes!
Just imagine the pubs turning out on friday and saturday nights and everyone comes out loving not fighting ;)
btw - I dont do cigarettes, alcohol or drugs (only prescribed ones:() so personally I dont condone any of it.
DanAbnormal
27-03-08, 05:04 PM
I think they should ban bad haircuts.
hth
yorkie_chris
27-03-08, 05:09 PM
Just imagine the pubs turning out on friday and saturday nights and everyone comes out loving not fighting ;)
And where would the fun in that be :-P
DanAbnormal
27-03-08, 05:10 PM
And where would the fun in that be :-P
Depends what kinda loving I guess. ;)
Im not going to get too involved in this, i have done a few times and said all i need to before...
But Viney, you have seen my house, i grew up on a council estate, left school with D's, but wanted a better life and worked hard. I own a very nice first house with double garage, in the SE of England (so not cheap), have 3 nice cars, 2 bikes (yar ok its just material...), good group of respectable law abiding friends (some smoke, some don't), would I fit your critera as a long term smoker??? Good busy lifestyle, lots to do, I abide by the law in most cases, im usually too worried about how my life could be ruined if i done something stupid.
As a long term smoker, who recently decided to give up in case of certain tests in a medical, i found it quite easy as i had a reason too. Its broken my every day habbit, my partner still smokes it, and apart from feeling more awake and alive in the mornings, i feel no different.
I won't ever go back to how much i used to smoke (mainly costs), but i am looking forward to a smoke every now and again.....
Its fine having an opinion, even those against it, but theres a way to put that opinion accross.
Oh, for any youngsters, its not addictive, but it can become a habbit and take over. This is what needs to be controlled. As i say, everything in moderation is fine, abuse it and it will bite you in the ass.....
As for those becoming mentally unstable, its been proven there is usually an underlying issue. But then drink too much, you get ill, smoke too much, bad throat/lungs, too much green, it MAY give you mental issues, but not proven. As usual, its just sweapt under the carpet. Im very clued up on it as its a serious thing and i wanted to know everything about it, long term issue, short term etc...
Im saying nowt more, this topic has been covered many times.
Jester666
27-03-08, 06:48 PM
Im saying nowt more, this topic has been covered many times.
Yeah, where is that 'flogging a dead horse' smiley? :lol:
suppose now wouldnt be the best time to say "take a chill pill" then? ;-)
Jester666
27-03-08, 06:51 PM
http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/deadhorse.gif
Found it!! :lol:
21QUEST
27-03-08, 06:54 PM
http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/deadhorse.gif
Found it!! :lol:
:smt046
Ben
pencil shavings
27-03-08, 06:54 PM
http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/deadhorse.gif
Found it!! :lol:
hahha!!! :smt045
Warthog
27-03-08, 07:54 PM
haha great gif!
gettin2dizzy
27-03-08, 09:16 PM
:lol: just watched the first 5 mins of the program. Who let a neurotic attention seeking mother smoke £15 worth of skunk in one go?! :lol: That was so overplayed but funny. Pub time :)
joelowden
27-03-08, 11:49 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/drugs/survey/
Worth a look.
And daimo, im surprised that you fell for the same drivel that i said last time, and the time before. ;)
If people take drugs, then so be it, your life, your health. I still say that they shouldnt be legalised but thats becasue not everyone is sensible out there, and there isnt enough evidence to support the fors OR againsts. You could just imagine some yoof, having a joint whilst driving then killing a gaggle of fluffy bunnies, because he was 'chilled'. Generalistic, but you get the idea.
I understand the effects the canabis has for people with MS, and some otehr life changing disabilities. I have a couple of firends that have MS, i know it helps then tremendously with the pain. I have spent many many weekends/days/weeks with people who are bang on it, and other sustances to. I am 37, and in all those years i have never decided to try it, or had the urge to try it, so there is a bit of truth in my original statement, that i do think that something must be missuing in a persons life that they choose to take drugs etc. Buts that their choice, and i hope that it fills whatever void that they sub conciously are trying to fix/fill/cover up.
So appologies for the wind up, but it is soooo easy on this subject, and those who know me know i like a wind up.
Viney I'm with you all the way on this. I have 10 years on you and I've never tried the stuff, never been interested. It's a mugs' game. The country is awash with the muck, even here in the sticks.
Viney I'm with you all the way on this. I have 10 years on you and I've never tried the stuff, never been interested. It's a mugs' game. The country is awash with the muck, even here in the sticks.
+1 Tried it a few times, years ago, but tbh I prefer a few cans of bud or a nice bottle of red if I want to get off me face, maybe its a genreational thing but drugs werent as prevelant when I was growing up, now its everywhere and with have two teenage daughters I have to concern meself with whats around, saying that, I would be some kind of hypocrite to lecture them on the evils of drugs when Ive done it myself, but I'd rather be seen a hypocrite than as a grieving father.
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