HPI Checks

[mister c]

I have HPI'd that SV that I was going to buy off Ebay, 1st time I've ever done it tbh & guess what?

This vehicle is recorded as being a write-off by an insurance company on 02/07/2002.
Status is CAT C EXTENSIVE DAMAGE.



Now I know that a cat C can be put back on the road, but it would have been nice for the owner to say that it was a write off. I certainly wouldn't have bid anywhere near what I did for it had I known. I have emailed him to see what he says, but with this in mind, how much do you think it's worth? I was thinking for a W reg with 10000 on the clock (which I dont think is correct) as it had 9000 on it in 2004 around about £900

By the way, best £25 I have spent I would recommend anyone buying a vehicle to HPI it. I used the AA website, got a reply straight away.

[G]

There is a slight chance the owner did not know its history if they didnt do a check themselve when they purchased it.

If your buying from a dealer then they are being very naighty.

Me personaly with what you have said;-

9k in 2004 - nearly 4 years ago - Now on 10k ;) of course guv ;)
Cat C at some point

I would stay well clear, it has to much of a history for my liking.

[21QUEST]

Agree with graemepaterson ---- pass on it.


Ben

[muffles]

Hope the seller doesn't get too arsey, technically you need to have done one of those before bidding. I think it was on here, there was a discussion about whether a private seller needed to declare it a previous write off. Some suggested he didn't as long as he didn't say it wasn't a write off. Good luck!

[mister c]

It is a "dealer" by the looks of his Ebay shop, but I think he's a breakers which would answer a few questions.
Next thing, do I inform Ebay, or wait to see what he has to say?

[mister c]

Here we go, the original advert. No mention of the Cat C, which is nice :)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320227782215&mfe=sidebar

[FG1]

If you don't want it don't buy it, simple as.

If I remember correctly, if the seller is aware that a vehicle has been written off then they are legaly obliged to inform you. The problem of course is proving that they were aware of the write off.

[richwill68]

As far as my knowledge of the law goes, if you don't ask specific questions, the seller is not obliged to disclose any information about the bike. Caveat emptor - let the buyer beware. I had this quoted to me in my youth when I got shafted by a wily seller. Lesson learnt and not forgotten......

Looking at the colour scheme alone makes me immediately suspicious. The sellers ebay shop is a bike breakers so another big clue that this bike may not be quite straight.

Hate to say it but HPI should be done before you bid.

Have you actually bid on and won this machine? If so, throw yourself on the mercy of the breakers and go from there.

I'm sure someone with a better knowledge of consumer law will be along soon to give you some more advice,

Good luck,

Rich;)

[muffles]

If I remember correctly, if the seller is aware that a vehicle has been written off then they are legaly obliged to inform you. The problem of course is proving that they were aware of the write off.

I think this is only for dealers ("professionals" maybe?) not private sales. In a private sale you have to ask and he would have to lie, to be liable. The fact it's a breaker might go some way towards proving he had that duty of care? He's not exactly a private seller, and being a breaker he will be VERY aware of write offs, how to check, etc.

[FG1]

I would say the bottom line is walk away.
Don't get too hung up on the e bay is a contract waffle. People sometimes get hung up on bad feedback but as long as you are comfortable with whatever you do then neg feedback is irrelevant.

[yorkie_chris]

Looking at the colour scheme alone makes me immediately suspicious.

+1

It also looks naff

[mister c]

As far as my knowledge of the law goes, if you don't ask specific questions, the seller is not obliged to disclose any information about the bike. Caveat emptor - let the buyer beware. I had this quoted to me in my youth when I got shafted by a wily seller. Lesson learnt and not forgotten......

Looking at the colour scheme alone makes me immediately suspicious. The sellers ebay shop is a bike breakers so another big clue that this bike may not be quite straight.

Hate to say it but HPI should be done before you bid.

Have you actually bid on and won this machine? If so, throw yourself on the mercy of the breakers and go from there.

I'm sure someone with a better knowledge of consumer law will be along soon to give you some more advice,

Good luck,

Rich;)
It was a classified ad with the "Best Offer" option. I offered ?1400 for it, he accepted, so i don't actually know where I stand. I have found another one, HPI'd it, it's come back clear. Year older, but a naked, which is what I really wanted. Think I might bite the bullet & go for this one & take the consequenses after. :)

[mister c]

Just been going through Ebays selling & buying FAQ's and found this.

The Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000 generally apply to sales to consumers made by sellers acting in the course of a business, which have been made at a distance. In other words, where there's no face-to-face contact between the seller and the consumer before the contract is made. The Distance Selling Regulations apply to items purchased via Buy It Now listings and Second Chance Offers on eBay.co.uk. However, they don't apply to auction format listings on eBay.co.uk. The Regulations also provide a period of seven working days after the date of receipt within which the consumer can cancel the contract (often referred to as the "cooling off" period) and get their money back, including the original postage and packing charges. The consumer can be asked to return the goods at their own expense, but only if the seller informed them of this requirement before the contract was made (otherwise, the seller is responsible for collecting the goods). If a business seller has not provided the information required under the Distance Selling Regulations (as discussed above), the buyer will have up to 3 months to cancel the contract and get their money back.

The cancellation rights do not apply to certain items including software, audio or video recordings that have been unsealed, perishable goods such as food or flowers, or items that have been made to order.

So if i tell this guy where to go, it looks as though I am covered by Consumer Protection

[yorkie_chris]

So if i tell this guy where to go, it looks as though I am covered by Consumer Protection

As far as I understand it then yes, if you're dealing with a business then advantage is to you.

[Dangerous Dave]

There is a slight chance the owner did not know its history if they didnt do a check themselve when they purchased it.
+ 1

[Dangerous Dave]

It was a classified ad with the "Best Offer" option. I offered ?1400 for it, he accepted, so i don't actually know where I stand.
You'll be covered as the seller failed to disclose all the information, even it it isn't a ebay rule it is a consumer protection law.

By law a seller has to state if a vehicle is a category, even if a buyer does not ask!

If it is a dealer then they probably know as most dealers now a days will HPI check any vehicle they get to protect them from selling a dodgy vehicle and having action taken against them!

[454697819]

there is no way you can be held for your bid,

the vehicle is not as described, you are responsible for disclosing if it is on the register or not.

You do not have to check this before you bid as that is unreasonable otherwise you could easily end up checking 10 bikes at cost to you....

walk away or agree to ?800 or something.

HTH

Alex

[hovis]

+1

It also looks naff


i agree......... walk away from it

[G]

So if i tell this guy where to go, it looks as though I am covered by Consumer Protection


If you tell this guy where to go.....who gives a damn, the worst he is going to do is give you some bad feedback.

This is a no brainer to me.

Dont give him feedback until he has given you some;)

[kwak zzr]

it is right what someone has already said, dealers have to disclose this info but private sellers dont have to. i brought one of my zzr600's off a mate who never hpi'd when he brought it and when i came to part x it i found out it too was a cat c, now cat c is classed as heavy damage but my sv1000s was classed as cat c and it only cost me £300 to put it right, the guy who brought the zzr600 off me has still got it and loves it to bits:) i did tell him at the time it was cat c but he wasn't bothered because the price was right, cat c status wouldn't bother me but the price would have to be right.

[Dangerous Dave]

it is right what someone has already said, dealers have to disclose this info but private sellers don't have to.
Yeap, private sellers have to also now as the consumer protection does not specify that the seller has to be a registered motor vehicle seller or company (i.e. they can be a private individual). You can go through the small claims court for a full refund!

[muffles]

Yeap, private sellers have to also now as the consumer protection does not specify that the seller has to be a registered motor vehicle seller or company (i.e. they can be a private individual). You can go through the small claims court for a full refund!

Do you have any links or anything for this? I'm pretty surprised - since private sales have always had a far lower duty of care than trade sales.

[richwill68]

Mate, just leave it! You are obviously not happy with the deal so walk away. Another machine will always come along.

Negative feedback on ebay is not the end of the world. Also it works both ways; do remind the seller that if they leave you a negative you will be obliged to return the sentiment. I'm sure negative feedback will affect their business more than yours!

That said, I bought my curvy as a cat c and have never looked back!

Regards

Rich:cool:

[mister c]

Have walked away. Many thanks to everybody with the advice :).
I have bought myself a yellow curvey naked, which is what I had before. HPI clear 10000 miles on the clock, looks immaculate, pick it up today :)
Haven't heard from the other guy, so I think it will be onto Paypal to get my £50 deposit back seeing as the bike is "Not as described" doubt I'll get it though.

[Quiff Wichard]

well done Col

everything happens for a reason.. and now u got a yellow naked again -

aces !

[mister c]

well done Col

everything happens for a reason.. and now u got a yellow naked again -

aces !
Cheers Dave.
I always say that everything happens for a reason as well. It must be something to do with us divorcees :p:p:p:cool:.
Yup got me little Naked back, trouble is it is completely standard, so have got a lot of work to do over the next few months :)