I can only let you have 10L sir ..

[Blue_SV650S]

Just went to go fill up my van and jerry cans in preparation for a trackday on Monday ..

I went to ASDA DIY card pump (as I always do, coz that way I don't have to talk to humans and queue ;)) .. got all my jerry cans out (2*20L and 1*5L) and cracked the cap of the van (petrol van). Before I started filling, Mr kiosk wandered over and said "sorry, you can only have 10L in the cans, so 10L in one of the big cans or 5L in the small one" ...

I said "eh?" ... he said the "law says we can only dispense a maximum of 10L and only in one can sir" ..

Further to that I stated "But I can put 50L in my van and 10L in a can" "yes sir"... I said "What's the rationale behind that then, seems stupid, I'm still sitting on 60L of fuel" He said "it is not stupid sir, we are only allowed to dispense 10L into a can, its the law" .. so I said "But I could go to 5 different petrol stations, put in 10L in cans at 4 and 5L in at the final one and still be driving around with 45L of fuel in full cans ... how about I just put 10L in at a time here but circle round the garage 4 times .. " ... "we are only allowed to dispense 10L in cans sir" :rolleyes: ... I could see I had reached the limit of his intellect by throwing the word rationale at him :D so I put 2 of the cans away and put 10L (made sure I put 10.1L in to spite him!! ... oops a daisy :D) then 46L in the van ...

I then went down the next petrol station along (which was 2p a litre more expensive, hence why I went to ASDA in the first place :( ) and keeping the cans in the side door this time, and picking a pump so they didn't have line of sight to see I was filling cans, not the van tank. I put the remaining 35L (actually 36L? :D) of fuel in my cans to fill them up ... so that dude at ASDA cost me about an extra £2 .. if you include the extra bit of fuel to the next station and the 72p extra I paid for their fuel .. :(

Then when I got home I filled the tank up on bike #1 and ended up fumbling the can and it spilt everywhere ... like over my front TYRE!! :smt013 It was a wide neck job, so prolly spilt a litre of fuel before I got the can back upright, so another £1.07 down the pan and a slightly melted front tyre!! :cry:

ANYWAY :D .. my point being - word of warning if you ever want to buy more than 10L of fuel in jerry cans (you can't even fill 2*5L cans, that is max of 10L in one can), evidently the law says you cant ...

To be fair the dude is only allowed to dispense 10L in a can he is only allowed to do that, but I found it funny how he couldn't compute what I was saying/suggested to him!! :D .. evidently petrol fumes 8hrs a day does that to a man!! :mrgreen:

Rant over!! ;)

[blueto]

thats funny. Like the next generation of trolley boys in the petrol kiosks!

[tigersaw]

Its true. Any your jerry must have a 'flammable liquid' sticker on it. its the lurrr, but silly as you say.

[hovis]

last week i filled up 1x10litre & 2 x 5litre?

the week b4 that my mate filled up a 1 litre lucazade bottle (cos i ran out)

[Blue_SV650S]

Its true. Any your jerry must have a 'flammable liquid' sticker on it. its the lurrr, but silly as you say.

As I said, I use the card pumps anyway, so I'll just make sure next time I do it, it is out of kiosk hours ;)

Those metal jerry cans are like used by the military in like war zones and have been since time began ... it is probably fair to say that fuel in one of those cans is probably safer than it is in any car/van fuel tank!! ;)

last week i filled up 1x10litre & 2 x 5litre?

the week b4 that my mate filled up a 1 litre lucazade bottle (cos i ran out)

But that is in Wales ... we all know its a bit backward over there!! :mrgreen:

[ASM-Forever]

Petrol stations are quite often weird. The problem is that most of them are franchised and the owners run them like their own little kingdoms.

I was filling my bike up today at an Esso and some bloke i had never met pulls up beside me and asks me to stick a tenner in his tank(of his rather tasty KTM). He held out the cash and i took it and said no problem and pumped the gas in. When i went in to pay, the monkey at the till tried to go off on one. Apparently sharing the pump isn't allowed.

Bah to them.

[Blue_SV650S]

Petrol stations are quite often weird. The problem is that most of them are franchised and the owners run them like their own little kingdoms.

I was filling my bike up today at an Esso and some bloke i had never met pulls up beside me and asks me to stick a tenner in his tank(of his rather tasty KTM). He held out the cash and i took it and said no problem and pumped the gas in. When i went in to pay, the monkey at the till tried to go off on one. Apparently sharing the pump isn't allowed.

Bah to them.

What a fantastic way to launder fake tenners!! :D

[-Ralph-]

Yes, he was just doing his job, Jobsworth style! :toss:

Unless he was being watched by a health and safety officer or a jobsworth boss.

I regularly fill 2x 5L jerry cans. Any petrol attendant knows the law, but most choose to pretend they haven't seen you and stay in thier cosy wee kiosks.

[21QUEST]

.......

Rant over!! ;)


Praise be to God :mrgreen:

I'm surprised , you didn't know that mind ;)


Ben

[21QUEST]

Yes, he was just doing his job, Jobsworth style! :toss:

......

Now that is just a load of pap.

Sometimes I wonder why folks make a big deal out of nothing......yes, i did read the other half of your post ;)


Ben

[Demonz]

Bullsh*t rules like that are what make this country so darn annoying.

I got something similar last weekend taking a load of rubbish to my local dump. In amongst the garden rubbish I had on my trailer a couple of fence panels and an old garden shed.

According to local council rules I was allowed to dump everything apart from these items which were going to cost me ?37!

Whilst unloading the other bits a car pulls up with fence panels on his roof racks and starts unloading. I queried it with the dump guys and they say he was ok as he brought it on his car (no trailer).

My solution - drive out of the dump. Tie it onto the roof. drive back in and dump it... saved ?37!

A couple of plumbers had the same problem - they just parked outside and walked it in... nothing the dumpguys could do... no rules about carrying rubbish to the dump by hand!

[Blue_SV650S]

Praise be to God :mrgreen:

I'm surprised , you didn't know that mind ;)


Ben

To be fair I have hit the same problem once before .. at sainsburys that time funnily enough (you gotta love supermarket fuel!!) :D but have also filled cans plenty of times between the two with no problems at all .. I think it just depends on the jobsworth you have that at the time ;)

Again, to be fair to him, if the law is 10L, he was only doing his job :smt045 but it's the lack of comprehension and independent though when I enquire as to 'WHY?' that always makes me laugh!! :D

It also p1sses me off as I have to spend more money getting to and filling at other stations!! :(

[shifter]

It always makes me laugh that you can't use a phone in a petrol station (like that will cause a spark) but every time you buy a lighter they test it in the shop!:eek:

[21QUEST]

....

Again, to be fair to him, if the law is 10L, he was only doing his job :smt045 but it's the lack of comprehension and independent though when I enquire as to 'WHY?' that always makes me laugh!! :D
You horrible person :lol:

All he needs to know is, that is what the law states :mrgreen:


Ben

[FG1]

Have a browse through this:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/65-9.htm
If you want to argue with the attendant, show him para 20, the summary.

[Blue_SV650S]

... dumb dump stuff ...

Had similar problem with trying to take **** down the dump in my van (its my private van, not used commercially at all) ... on stating it was just a personal use van he said 'sorry its commercial waste, if you brought it in a car you would be ok' ... I said, I have a 2 seater sports car .. I can barely fit a sandwich box in the boot, let alone all this stuff, besides as I have the van, I don't really want to ruin my car with all this rubble and my conifer cut-offs etc either ...

Met with a blank look ... so indeed I parked the van outside and hauled it in bit-by-bit by hand!! :D

[21QUEST]

Have a browse through this:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/65-9.htm
If you want to argue with the attendant, show him para 20, the summary.


....and part of it says ......although Petroleum Licensing Authorities often use licensing conditions to limit the containers sizes..... ;)


Ben

[21QUEST]

.....
Met with a blank look ... so indeed I parked the van outside and hauled it in bit-by-bit by hand!! :D
And you got some extra exercise, to boot huh!! :p :D


Ben

[Blue_SV650S]

Have a browse through this:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/65-9.htm
If you want to argue with the attendant, show him para 20, the summary.

I am gonna print that out 8) ... I do suspect that I might have to get a 3rd party to read it to them mind!! :D

[FG1]

Shifter, it is the vapour that is dangerous. Phones etc could ignite the vapour in the vacinity of the pump. The chance of there being fuel vapour in the "shop" area is pretty slim at best. For the vapour to ignite it has to be within a certain fuel/air mixture so to be honest it is very unlikely at the pump but, believe me, not impossible.
I have worked with fuels etc in the past and I do get frustrated at the "blaze" attitude of people at the pumps.
Sorry to rant but people should be more aware of the hazards of fuel.

[Blue_SV650S]

And you got some extra exercise, to boot huh!! :p :D


Ben

You will be surprised the lengths I'll go to prove my point over someone's stupidity!! :D

[the_lone_wolf]

I have worked with fuels etc in the past and I do get frustrated at the "blaze" attitude of people at the pumps.

if that was deliberate:

:smt043

if it was unintentional:

:smt043:smt043

[FG1]

TLW........deliberate.

It does look better without the accent.

[21QUEST]

Shifter, it is the vapour that is dangerous. Phones etc could ignite the vapour in the vacinity of the pump. The chance of there being fuel vapour in the "shop" area is pretty slim at best. For the vapour to ignite it has to be within a certain fuel/air mixture so to be honest it is very unlikely at the pump but, believe me, not impossible.
I have worked with fuels etc in the past and I do get frustrated at the "blaze" attitude of people at the pumps.
Sorry to rant but people should be more aware of the hazards of fuel.

Arghhhh, bleeding idiots.

A moron threatend to errrr 'nut me' when I pointed out to him that , it's not the best idea to try and light a ciggie while sat in a car in the ,middle of a forecourt.

Situation almost got out of hand as he wasn't happy with my responce of, "It's quite ok if you want to blow yourself up but me, I'm only imterested in filling my bike up"......some people are just too stupid :mad:


Ben

[Blue_SV650S]

Arghhhh, bleeding idiots.

A moron threatend to errrr 'nut me' when I pointed out to him that , it's not the best idea to try and light a ciggie while sat in a car in the ,middle of a forecourt.

Situation almost got out of hand as he wasn't happy with my responce of, "It's quite ok if you want to blow yourself up but me, I'm only imterested in filling my bike up"......some people are just too stupid :mad:


Ben

At a trackday, you'd be surprised how many people fill their bikes up (via jerry can) in the same pit garage as me with a fag hanging out of their mouth!! :shock: To be fair, I haven't seen one 'go-up' yet ... but how can anyone be THAT stupid?!!? :smt102

It also piddles me off and makes me 'clench' if someone walks past with a lit fag (worse still literally sparks up) when I am filling up :shock: .. again, how can someone be that mindless?? :scratch:

[FG1]

One of my favourites is a Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapour Explosion,
:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf3WKTwHpIU

[FG1]

And this is what "could" happen if you use your mobile when the vapour mixture is right.
Watch the delivery driver get his phone out of his pocket whilst opening the top hatches.......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xsr7Hl-5pXo

[21QUEST]

Wow

I particularly love the second one......thanks. I have to save your post...for use, the next time some whinger on here :p complains about being told, not to use their mobile :D


Ben

[shifter]

Shifter, it is the vapour that is dangerous. Phones etc could ignite the vapour in the vacinity of the pump. The chance of there being fuel vapour in the "shop" area is pretty slim at best. For the vapour to ignite it has to be within a certain fuel/air mixture so to be honest it is very unlikely at the pump but, believe me, not impossible.
I have worked with fuels etc in the past and I do get frustrated at the "blaze" attitude of people at the pumps.
Sorry to rant but people should be more aware of the hazards of fuel.
Yep you're totally correct, If I'm honest I was just stirring it. However I'm of the impression that a static discharge would be far more likely to cause a problem than a phone. I've had a few good belts off of my motor in the past when shutting the door. I believe there is some arrangement at the pumps to earth the vehicle through the nozzle?
Please feel free to enlighten me further though.:)

[Rhiwbina_Squirrel]

I believe there is some arrangement at the pumps to earth the vehicle through the nozzle?

I know there's ones on planes but I'm not so sure about ones on cars.

I remember I once saw a guy fill up his car then get, what looked like a, caravan water tank out of his boot (y' know the ones with something like a 35L capacity) and fill that up with petrol :confused: That could have been a pretty nasty bomb! :smt113

[-Ralph-]

Jobsworth - definition - a minor factotum whose only status comes from enforcing otherwise petty regulations

Ahh, it has such a pompous and cruel definition....

Every jobsworth has a choice over whether or not he wants to be one however, so i have little sympathy.

If the guy had walked out and said "look, I'm really sorry mate, I wouldn't normally bother, but my boss is in today and the law says you can only have 10 litres, so I can't let you fill all those up or I'll get into trouble, sorry"

Blue would probably have said "OK fair enough mate, i'll just fill this one then I'll get the others at the next forecourt, thanks for letting me know"

Instead of that Blue got told the law, with a blank justification of "it's not silly 'cos it's the law". Of course we all know that if it's the law it must be sensible ;)

Be approachable and reasonable with folk and they won't call you a Jobsworth, even if you are just doing your duty and upholding a petty law.

[Tiger 55]

I have to save your post...for use, the next time some whinger on here :p complains about being told, not to use their mobile

Don't forget to save this one too then -linky (http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp) ;)

[flymo]

I've never come across this before ever, I regularly fill up two full size jerry cans on the way to the track and there's never been a hint of a problem.

I hate stupid rules like this, hope I dont bump into some jobsworth trying to enforce them on my short fuse!

[shifter]

It's all down to a Europian Directive. For some reason they think a small plastic container with a screw on lid is safer than a big metal one with a big over-centre clamp.

[Bear]

At a trackday, you'd be surprised how many people fill their bikes up (via jerry can) in the same pit garage as me with a fag hanging out of their mouth!! :shock: To be fair, I haven't seen one 'go-up' yet ... but how can anyone be THAT stupid?!!? :smt102

It also piddles me off and makes me 'clench' if someone walks past with a lit fag (worse still literally sparks up) when I am filling up :shock: .. again, how can someone be that mindless?? :scratch:

One of the bike mags did an experiment recently where they dropped a lit fag into a petrol tank. Nothing happened. AFAIK you need the fuel to be in vapour form and an actual spark, rather than merely incandescent material, to cause it to catch. All those Hollywood movies where the bad guy drops his big Cuban cigar in the spilled petrol while our heroes best mate is struggling to get out of the rolled car? Lies, all of it!

[metalmonkey]

Yep you're totally correct, If I'm honest I was just stirring it. However I'm of the impression that a static discharge would be far more likely to cause a problem than a phone. I've had a few good belts off of my motor in the past when shutting the door. I believe there is some arrangement at the pumps to earth the vehicle through the nozzle?
Please feel free to enlighten me further though.:)

Yup quite right....i have seen the result of an explosion caused by that.

I will find out how that is stopped at petrol stations, I also believe it is down down the flow rate of passing through the pipes into the nozzel.

[-Ralph-]

One of the bike mags did an experiment recently where they dropped a lit fag into a petrol tank. Nothing happened. AFAIK you need the fuel to be in vapour form and an actual spark, rather than merely incandescent material, to cause it to catch. All those Hollywood movies where the bad guy drops his big Cuban cigar in the spilled petrol while our heroes best mate is struggling to get out of the rolled car? Lies, all of it!

Pretty much, but I know a smouldering ember of paper floating down onto a puddle of spilt petrol will ignite (mispent youth watching Northern Ireland on the news :-s), I never tried it with a cigarette, grown out of such mischief by the time I smoked. I think it's not so much lighting the liquid as the vapour coming off it, it had been spilt for a miunte or so, but 'cos it's open to the air there is a lovely mix of vapour and oxygen.

The reason you can get away with dropping a fag into a jerry can or fuel tank is the narrow opening doesn't let enough oxygen in with the vapour pouring out. I still wouldn't be risking it though, a half empty can where the lids been off for a minute or so would be a fairly volatile! Again don't know if a cigarette would light it, but I wouldn't go near it with a match.

Remember the new stories from Northern Island with petrol bombs being thown. The guy can light the wick and burn it like a parrafin lamp, its only once the glass is smashed and the petrol and air mix that it goes out of control.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Mythbusters did an episode re phones igniting petrol vapor.

Their conclusion: It's ********, won't happen. Must be true, as I saw it on TV.

[shifter]

I saw that, they put 10 phones in a caravan full of petrol in open containers, and called them simultaneously. Nothing happened!

[glade]

At a trackday, you'd be surprised how many people fill their bikes up (via jerry can) in the same pit garage as me with a fag hanging out of their mouth!! :shock: To be fair, I haven't seen one 'go-up' yet ... but how can anyone be THAT stupid?!!? :smt102

It also piddles me off and makes me 'clench' if someone walks past with a lit fag (worse still literally sparks up) when I am filling up :shock: .. again, how can someone be that mindless?? :scratch:

Obviously naked flames are a bit of a no-no but it would seem that a ciggy is ok. (I wouldn't test the theory obviously!)

Researchers at the Maryland laboratory of the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms set out to test a common arsonists’ excuse: that the fire they’re accused of setting deliberately actually started accidentally when a burning cigarette came into contact with gasoline.

Two thousand attempts to set fire to exposed petrol – which included spraying the stuff onto a burning snout – failed to produce a single flame.

source http://www.forteantimes.com/strangedays/mythbusters/440/petrol_and_cigarettes.html
(also coroborated elsewhere)

[Blue_SV650S]

..I wouldn't test the theory obviously!.

exactly, it is just asking for trouble isn't it!! ;)

Having played with petrol quite a bit as a kid (I had field bikes so had fuel), I have seen how sudden it can ignite and the power and instantaneous heat that can be produced ... its not something to take unnecessary risks with ... I don't even like topping the bike up (via jerry can) after coming straight back in - you can feel the heat bellowing from the engine and exhaust still .. I have spilt fuel on a hot engine before and noting came of it, but again asking for trouble, so I try and avoid it!! :shock:

[Ablazze]

Lets not forget most people out there are idiots of the highest order, i wouldnt let them outside never mind in control of a can full of petrol....


Jas...

& they have the vote too....

[arenalife]

I pushed my Kawa GPZ 2 miles backwards along the M4 when I ran out of gas then up a huge hill towards the fuel station. I found a big pop bottle in the weeds so carried it off to the station to save pushing the bike another half mile. They wouldn't let me fill it to walk back to the bike :( I had to go back while they watched me heave it up the hill, *******s! Just their job I spose.

[Blue_SV650S]

I pushed my Kawa GPZ 2 miles backwards along the M4 when I ran out of gas then up a huge hill towards the fuel station. I found a big pop bottle in the weeds so carried it off to the station to save pushing the bike another half mile. They wouldn't let me fill it to walk back to the bike :( I had to go back while they watched me heave it up the hill, *******s! Just their job I spose.

To be fair petrol is nasty stuff ... it'd probably have melted the plastic bottle, the petrol would have gone everywhere and you would still have had to pus the bike!! :D
Next time, make sure you have enough tools to take the petrol tank off adn then leave the bike, but take the tank!!! ;)

[muffles]

TLW........deliberate.

It does look better without the accent.

But I'm sure it looks even better spelt right - blase ;)

Was a good play on words you had going there, pretend it was intentional! :p