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What more do you need to say......note numberplates :rolleyes: nearly as bad as the horsebox in wales
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fatneck
23-04-08, 09:09 PM
Bah, surely this time and effort and money should be put into catching criminals?
Rhiwbina_Squirrel
23-04-08, 09:15 PM
Bah, surely this time and effort and money should be put into catching criminals?
That's what they're doing. 'cause obviously there is nothing worse than someone sliding over the speed limit by a few miles an hour...
Alex
yorkie_chris
23-04-08, 09:29 PM
Pretty soon the best way to travel is going to be gixxer thou with no number plate at all!
Though on a more serious note, my respect for the forces of law and order is going downhill by the day.
...respect for the forces of law .....
...ermmm, what is this exactly? Is it anything like respect for Gordon Brown?
Rhiwbina_Squirrel
23-04-08, 09:44 PM
Though on a more serious note, my respect for the forces of law and order is going downhill by the day.
Ditto, I'm afraid. I don't want to derail this thread completely but did anyone hear about the down syndrome boy, who had a mental age of 5, convicted of racial assault?
Linky: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020717.php
Sorry Graeme!
Alex
yorkie_chris
23-04-08, 10:24 PM
...ermmm, what is this exactly? Is it anything like respect for Gordon Brown?
Not at all. I suppose it's the general instinct that hits you when you see a copper.
To me, the general instinct is "time to go..." "The law" in general is the enemy.
fatneck
23-04-08, 10:32 PM
Pretty soon the best way to travel is going to be gixxer thou with no number plate at all!
+1
chakraist
23-04-08, 11:03 PM
Ditto, I'm afraid. I don't want to derail this thread completely but did anyone hear about the down syndrome boy, who had a mental age of 5, convicted of racial assault?
Linky: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020717.php
Sorry Graeme!
Alex
I read that and found it ridiculously upsetting.
busasean
24-04-08, 05:00 AM
+1
+2
absolutely no respect for the old bill, courts or mp's anymore.
Tiger 55
24-04-08, 06:56 AM
Bah, surely this time and effort and money should be put into catching criminals?
The police are out catching criminals. The vans are manned by civillian members of the Safety Camera Partnership...
so if you wheelie past them while speeding and they cant see yor plate you can get away with it yeah??
gettin2dizzy
24-04-08, 07:09 AM
My respect for them went a long time ago.
I nearly got hit head on by a police car yesterday, with blues ant twos coming over the crest fo a hill on my side of the road completely out of control. If I wasn't so skint and going at 40 on a nsl road it could have been very very nasty.
Ditto, I'm afraid. I don't want to derail this thread completely but did anyone hear about the down syndrome boy, who had a mental age of 5, convicted of racial assault?
Linky: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020717.php
Sorry Graeme!
Alex
He wasnt convicted, the matter was dropped in the end. This also happened in Scotland where the rules are different to England and Wales.
punyXpress
24-04-08, 10:32 AM
My respect for them went a long time ago.
I nearly got hit head on by a police car yesterday, with blues ant twos coming over the crest fo a hill on my side of the road completely out of control. If I wasn't so skint and going at 40 on a nsl road it could have been very very nasty.
Read Autocar this week - they also meet Police cars speeding on the wrong side of the road.
Shouldn't we all get a plate ( full size ) with the Transit number?
fatneck
24-04-08, 10:36 AM
Dash mounted video camera, record all rides, thats going to be the way forward.
(Keeping speedo out of view of course...)
Rhiwbina_Squirrel
24-04-08, 10:38 AM
He wasnt convicted, the matter was dropped in the end. This also happened in Scotland where the rules are different to England and Wales.
Ah right. Didn't read into it too much - didn't really want to. You would've thought someone with some common sense had stepped in sooner though
Alex
svpilot
24-04-08, 12:56 PM
Interesting, I was about to pipe in and say I'm sure it's just an ex Police van that has been sold on, it is 6 years old after all. But then I noticed it still has the slidy up window thing at the back, strange!
wyrdness
24-04-08, 01:12 PM
Dash mounted video camera, record all rides, thats going to be the way forward.
(Keeping speedo out of view of course...)
I'm seriously considering it, especially for London riding.
Ceri JC
24-04-08, 01:50 PM
I'm seriously considering it, especially for London riding.
It's actually a long-term goal of mine to develop a product based around this idea. It would need to record 5 minutes of footage, be forensically secure enough to be admissable as evidence in court and also be possible for the owner to wipe the memory quickly (if pulled for suspected speeding etc.) so it couldn't be used in evidence against them. Ideally, 2 cameras, one forward facing, one aft. It'd cost a couple of hundred quid, but I imagine it would confer an insurance discount as you'd get drawn into fewer cases where a patently guilty person denies it being their fault. Who knows, might even get a few of the ***ts who can't drive off the road through dangerous driving prosecutions?
Edit: Regarding that downs syndrome lad. Yes, I read about that last week, makes you sick, doesn't it?
Edit: Regarding that downs syndrome lad. Yes, I read about that last week, makes you sick, doesn't it?
It is considering if she pushed him nothing would have happened. Why is it every time a white person hits or abuses a black/asian person its made out to be racial but if they do it to us that’s ok?? That’s what f**ks me off
MiniMatt
24-04-08, 02:42 PM
It is considering if she pushed him nothing would have happened. Why is it every time a white person hits or abuses a black/asian person its made out to be racial but if they do it to us that?s ok?? That?s what f**ks me off
Oh Neio, and we were getting along so well :D
I'm sorry but your view has been tainted (a) by the Daily Express and (b) by the fact that there are a total of twelve people in the whole of Gloucestershire/Wiltshire that are non-white. The police and the courts deserve a whole boat load of criticism and I'll be the one to dish it out most of the time but on racial discrimination of white hetrosexual 20/30 something males I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. I grew up in Nottingham, proud holders of the Gun Crime Capital of the UK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5006852.stm) title :D Most of the violence there was/is drug and gang related and completely unrelated to race. Like all big cities however, some of it is, and as a white bloke there are bits of St Anns I wouldn't feel overly happy about walking through. That said I'm equally pretty certain that if my skin was any other colour you choose to pick I'd be similarly vulnerable as an "outsider". In Nottingham at least, and in other multi cultural cities I've lived and worked in (Leicester being another prime example) race related crime is actually treated seriously regardless whether the victim is black, white, brown, orange or green.
My girlfriends best friend works for Nottinghamshire police....she was recently inputing applications for full time police. She was told to only input ethnic minorities and women.....so if you were white british male and applied for nottingham police recently your application went in the bin.
Positive Discrimination now thats what really ****es me off
MiniMatt
24-04-08, 03:01 PM
My girlfriends best friend works for Nottinghamshire police....she was recently inputing applications for full time police. She was told to only input ethnic minorities and women.....so if you were white british male and applied for nottingham police recently your application went in the bin.
Positive Discrimination now thats what really ****es me off
I'm sorry but I call b0llocks on that. Plain and simple b0llocks. If that really did happen then your best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend or whoever it is should go to the press right now - it's illegal - completely and utterly illegal.
EDIT: I'm completely serious here - basically I'm saying "screenies or it didn't happen" - if that really did happen then there are no "ifs and buts", it's 100% illegal. If a police force really are blatantly breaking the law, then they deserve to be hung out to dry in the press and then in the courts, there is no shadow of a doubt this is completely illegal.
EDIT 2: And if she doesn't report it then she's aiding and abetting a crime.
She was round for dinner last night telling us about it, shes not one to lie.
Edit: Its a known fact anyway that police give preferential treament to ethnic minorities at the moment, its already been in the press, and was apparently justified as 'realigning resources to conform with multicultural Britain' or a qoute to that effect.
MiniMatt
24-04-08, 03:09 PM
Then she should report it right now. Until she does then she's either making things up or she's collaborating with the perpetrators of the crime. Sorry. The last people to use the "I was just following orders" excuse ended up in Nurenburg. It's illegal. I'll say again. IT'S ILLEGAL.
EDIT (again): I'm really really serious here. I'm all for spouting my own opinion but I'm not making allegations of illegal activity by, of all bodies, a police force. If you witnessed a crime would you report it? Would it not both be your legal and more importantly your moral duty to report it. If she really was instructed to do as she claims then she was instructed to commit and proceeded to carry on to commit an illegal act. SHE has broken the law, and if she doesn't report it sharpish then she is just as guilty as those who commanded her to do so. Ignorance of the law is no defence.
Double Edit: My Girlfriend got a letter through the door because she was ex police inviting her to rejoin as she was within a minority group that they were lacking.....that I can back up with evidence lol
MiniMatt
24-04-08, 03:15 PM
Double Edit: My Girlfriend got a letter through the door because she was ex police inviting her to rejoin as she was within a minority group that they were lacking.....that I can back up with evidence lol
No, that's not evidence of what your girlfriend's friend claims. That's evidence of actively targetting under-represented groups, and that's completely different to actively rejecting applicants based purely on their skin colour or sex.
Yet another EDIT: Been in the press, sure it has - http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/world/police%20admit%20positive%20discrimination/169440
I'll quote:
"A police force has admitted illegally rejecting 108 potential recruits because they were white men."
Yet another EDIT: Been in the press, sure it has - http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/world/police%20admit%20positive%20discrimination/169440
I'll quote:
"A police force has admitted illegally rejecting 108 potential recruits because they were white men."
Well they are still doing that and its apparently common practice :mad:
MiniMatt
24-04-08, 03:37 PM
Well they are still doing that and its apparently common practice :mad:
Ok, then your friend is equally guilty. Sorry, but it's as simple as that, she's witnessed a blatant crime - systematic, endemic and institutional and has decided to go along with and to assist in that crime. If she chooses not to report a blatant crime perpetrated by those we entrust to uphold the law but to assist in it then I don't see why anyone should have much sympathy for her.
I have no sympathy for her, I made my feelings felt over dinner, much to my girlfriends disgust, and pointed out it was illegal at the time, its the 'done thing' though and 'common practice' so who is she to question it when her superiors instruct her to do so. She is a tiny person within a massive machine and she doesnt know any better, when 'the law' is telling to do something you (she) assumes its correct and OK to do so.
MiniMatt
24-04-08, 04:02 PM
Meh, well collaborator or whistle blower, her choice then. Just so long as she's aware that *SHE* is breaking the law, forget about those ordering her to do so, by complying, *SHE* is just as guilty as her superiors and just as guilty of this illegal and immoral crime.
0115 964 4065 - Evening Post sub editor's number if she changes her mind :D
Oh Neio, and we were getting along so well :D
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oh we do but hapen to just have varied opinions.
first off you missed the point, I can bet all my lifes earnings if i beat the sh*t out of a black guy and a white guy one after the other. It would go down as a race crime on the black guy, even though i would have done it because he was a tw*t an no other reason. However if i got beaten by a load of black guys its "just" GBH!!
And it dos happen to think otherwise is nieve.
And secondly i can well believe the police thing. They have quotas to meet on religion ans ethnicity. Did you not heare of the severe bolocking Avon and sommerset got a couple of years ago as the done exactly that, binned all straight white male applications!! FACT!!!
It f**ks me off as they set thes quotas but you cant make people join, it just so happens more white males want to join than anyother percentage of the population and for that they are discriminated against.
My Mrs Nick in Twowbridge is full of dolly bird coppers who couldent beat an egg let alone arrest a big bloke on their own, yet cos wiltshire needed X ammount of females they are in. Its positive descrimination and it should be based on the best person for the job.
I has a mate who applied for the met and pretended he was gay to get in as he knew being straight and white was a guaranteed no no.
If i ever applied for the police i would say i am a gay muslim to get in!!
As you can tell this sh*t f**ks me off no end :mad:
SV PILOT
24-04-08, 05:05 PM
Its not just race, gender or sexual orientation. It can also be medical i.e. epilepsy and also religion. It's a shame but the western world is too busy with not offending minorities. As nowadays we are all statistics, if you are the majority you miss out and if the you are the minority you get extra.
MiniMatt
24-04-08, 05:47 PM
oh we do but hapen to just have varied opinions.
Agreed :D
first off you missed the point, I can bet all my lifes earnings if i beat the sh*t out of a black guy and a white guy one after the other. It would go down as a race crime on the black guy, even though i would have done it because he was a tw*t an no other reason. However if i got beaten by a load of black guys its "just" GBH!!
And it dos happen to think otherwise is nieve.
It's undeniably a widely held view you have there, but I'd argue it's incorrect. Nearly half of all the racially motivated murders in the decade '95-'04 had white victims. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/22/ukcrime.race)
And secondly i can well believe the police thing. They have quotas to meet on religion ans ethnicity. Did you not heare of the severe bolocking Avon and sommerset got a couple of years ago as the done exactly that, binned all straight white male applications!! FACT!!!
I did hear about it, they got done a few months before Gloucestershire got done for the exact same thing (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=406385&in_page_id=1770). The law on this was perfectly clarified by these cases two years back if it's still going on then the people ordering discrimination have no excuse of ignorance and the people being ordered to break the law have a legal and moral duty to inform the authorities (I recognise that "the authorities" here are the ones breaking the law, so I'd personally suggest senior officers or the press). It's all very well complaining about inequality but if all everyone is going to do is whine about it then it achieves nothing; here we have an example of someone in the inside complaining about the situation, who is perfectly placed, more so than you or I, to actually do something about it, but who chooses not to. In my mind it's as bad as complaining about high crime rates and then handing a hoody a brick next time you see him trying to break into a car.
Let's get real about this.
Assuming what is being reported is correct, who in their right mind is going to be a whistle-blower in the Police force? This girl probably wants to be able to keep a job for the rest of her life. What would be the chances of that if she blew the whistle? Pat on the head and thankyou very much for that, have a promotion and a wage rise? I don't think so.
She'd probably be ostracised within the job, life made a misery, and effectively hounded out. How would the CV look with "whistle-blower" as the reason for leaving the last job? You only have to look to Westminster to see that there's scams and fiddles all the way up, so no-one is going to want someone with a track record of a conscience and moral fibre. Blind-eyes are better qualifications. Don't mess with the old boys' network and funny handshake brigades. Don't forget that if this is actually happening, it's in order that the force can meet the targets set by the government. Whose side do you think they will be on?
It's comparable to getting bricks through your windows and your car set on fire for grassing up the local crims. I like my windows thanks.
It's not right, it's real. Whoever said the world was fair?
Cynical, me? Damn right.
chakraist
24-04-08, 10:55 PM
I agree lots with the points made above- you can't seriously expect her to do anything about it.
MiniMatt
25-04-08, 09:19 AM
Ok, my final point then. If all people are going to do is whine and complain about the wrongs in soceity but not actually step up to the plate and do something about it, then we deserve everything we get. How do you think the same crimes committed by Avon & Somerset and Gloucestershire forces both came to light and were admitted in the face of overwhelming evidence - where do you think that evidence came from if not from whistleblowers witnessing a crime and having the balls to stick their own neck out and actually do something about it rather than just bleat on about the injustice of it all?
Warthog
25-04-08, 12:11 PM
Ok, my final point then. If all people are going to do is whine and complain about the wrongs in soceity but not actually step up to the plate and do something about it, then we deserve everything we get. How do you think the same crimes committed by Avon & Somerset and Gloucestershire forces both came to light and were admitted in the face of overwhelming evidence - where do you think that evidence came from if not from whistleblowers witnessing a crime and having the balls to stick their own neck out and actually do something about it rather than just bleat on about the injustice of it all?
I have to agree with Matt here. If nobody says anything, the crime will perpetuate. My friend (male white) is applying to the police. he is a really nice guy, and that girl is preventing him from getting a job! A quick anonymous call to the press will not get you in trouble, once they have a lead they can investigate on their own from their on. All it takes is a public outcry which is what would happen if this thread went fully public!
..... All it takes is a public outcry which is what would happen if this thread went fully public!
It is fully public, any one of us/you is free to contact the press or anyone else if you wish. Well?
Oh yes, and we have authorities to do something about crimes being committed, one of which is called the Police. "Physician heal thyself".
yorkie_chris
25-04-08, 06:56 PM
If you witnessed a crime would you report it?
Usually, no.
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