Scottoiler

[SV PILOT]

Which one? I was reading through a magazine that had scottoilers. It had different price ranges from £30ish to £90ish, apart from the reservoir size, what is the difference?? I ride every day so I'm not too sure as to what to go for.
Cheers

[Endellion]

Ive just bought one, think you need the universal kit for the SV

[SV PILOT]

Cool, cheers. How much would that set me back? Easy to fit? Thanks

[Rhiwbina_Squirrel]

?69.95 and I haven't got one so I have no idea how easy they are to fit.
Linky - http://www.scottoiler.com/pc/Motorcycle_Systems/Scottoiler_Mk7_Universal_Kit.html

Alex

[Philbo]

Best of all the're a Scottish company based in Milngavie near Glasgow. Supperb customer service too. I had one incorrectly fitted to my Sprint ST by my Triumph dealer, so I contactd Scotoiler by email to say it didn't look like the pictures on the website. They replied inviting me to "pop in and we'll take a look for you", free of charge. So I called in on my home from work one day, and the bloke fixed it for me! Wouldn't take a penny from me either.

And yes, it was incorrectly fitted by an authorised Triumph and Kawasaki garage!

[SoulKiss]

Best of all the're a Scottish company based in Milngavie near Glasgow. Supperb customer service too. I had one incorrectly fitted to my Sprint ST by my Triumph dealer, so I contactd Scotoiler by email to say it didn't look like the pictures on the website. They replied inviting me to "pop in and we'll take a look for you", free of charge. So I called in on my home from work one day, and the bloke fixed it for me! Wouldn't take a penny from me either.

And yes, it was incorrectly fitted by an authorised Triumph and Kawasaki garage!

Similar experience, I installed it about right, asked the dealer (who should have fitted it in the 1st place) to sort it out - I had rushed the job basically and had to always re-adjust the delivery to the rear sprocket.

They fixed it by re-routing it to drip onto the top of the chain just before the front sprocket.

Now all fixed by me.

Its easy to fit and doest take long.

The guys at Scottoiller are, as mentioned, great.

If you can afford the extra quid or two the delivery will cost, buy direct from them and give them your money, instead of them only getting the wholesale price from a dealership.

[xXBADGERXx]

Despite them saying the Touring HCR isn`t compatable with the SV I bought one by mistake before finding this out . I fitted it anyway and haven`t had any problems . You have to remove the little metal bracket that holds your number plate onto the "snowshovel" style rear guard (not so sure about those with tail tidys though) . You can then bolt the touring HCR in place and attach your plate to the HCR . The only real problem that I think that could raise it`s ugly head is the fact that the number plate light doesn`t shine as much light on the number plate as it used to , in saying that though I double checked the light being shone on it compared to my mates standard GSX1400 rear and mine still looked better and I haven`t had any problems with it since :)

[Dangerous Dave]

They fixed it by re-routing it to drip onto the top of the chain just before the front sprocket.
Best way to fit it, ideal for underseat pipe bikes too as you can locate the resevoir under the clocks or panel under the handle bars and run the pipe along the inside of the frame onto the front sprocket (allows you to continue using the small space under the seat for a disc lock).

[SoulKiss]

Best way to fit it, ideal for underseat pipe bikes too as you can locate the resevoir under the clocks or panel under the handle bars and run the pipe along the inside of the frame onto the front sprocket (allows you to continue using the small space under the seat for a disc lock).

Yes, onto the front sprocket would be good - to drop oil onto the front sprocket from above, so with chain fling, none (or little) of the oil ever reaching the sprocket - not so good.....

[Dangerous Dave]

Yes, onto the front sprocket would be good - to drop oil onto the front sprocket from above, so with chain fling, none (or little) of the oil ever reaching the sprocket - not so good.....
Ah, sorry not literally onto the front sprocket, just behind it and above the swingram pivot point. This is an approved location from Scottoiler, also has been used for a Blackbird for over 57,000 miles with no issues.

[Foxy]

I have just bought the Universal ScottOiler ?69.95 + ?5.00 p&p for my sv. Not fitted it yet. Do you have to also use glue when fitting :confused:

[xXBADGERXx]

You don`t have to use it , you can use cable ties instead , and all the pipework is a push fit , you don`t need to glue that :D

[Foxy]

Thank you, which would be the best option cable ties or glue??

[xXBADGERXx]

Some say they use superglue and it`s worked fine , especially if you can get the area very clean with alcohol or Zippo Fuel , personally I find Superglue a touch too brittle and would rather rely on cable ties , plus if you mess it all up (which is hard to do) then you can snip the ties and relocate .

[Foxy]

How long did it take you to fit your ScottOiler with zip ties and was it hard to do as I will be fitting mine soon:confused:

[Endellion]

I haven't actually fitted mine yet so I am interested to hear how easy it is

[Lozzo]

There's always the Lozzo option for fitting the delivery pipe

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2151/2196069756_7eff97829c_b.jpg

[leatherpatches]

Those who are considering fitting a Scottoiler need to know a couple of things:

1) It will be visible - no matter what you do
2) It will extend chain life - providing you can be arsed to refill it
3) It will fling crap all over the underside of your bike

No doubt people will disagree with me on this, but I've had two bikes with Scottoilers and that's my experience.

They are great, particularly for commuters, if you remember to fill them up and don't mind cleaning light-oil flung crap every so often. For a hard-core commuter like me it was excellent for keeping the underside of the bike (sidestand etc.) oiled up too. But it's ugly on your bike and makes a mess - no getting away from that I'm afraid.

I worried a great deal about the low-viscosity of the oil blatantly flinging around everywhere and ending up on the rear tyre. But this never seemed to happen.

I think placement is very important, safety-wise.

[xXBADGERXx]

Took me around an hour to fit and is simplicity in itself , I don`t mind it flinging onto my rear wheel , IIRC back in the day that was regarded as a plus as any debris that stuck to the chain would be suspended in the oil and flung off . I`ve cleaned 3 weeks worth of fling off my rear wheel in the time it takes to spray cleaner on it and wave a brush at it :) . This is the second one I have owned and I swear by them , I also had one of those Loobman things but don`t get me started on that thing .

[independentphoto]

Those who are considering fitting a Scottoiler need to know a couple of things:

1) It will be visible - no matter what you do.

it's ugly on your bike and makes a mess - no getting away from that I'm afraid.

I worried a great deal about the low-viscosity of the oil blatantly flinging around everywhere and ending up on the rear tyre. But this never seemed to happen.

I think placement is very important, safety-wise.

You can barely tell that mines is there. Dealer must have made a good job of it! I reckon they did.

Garry:cool:

[ooger]

Oil = black

Paint = black


Black = good for hiding oil.

[Lozzo]

You have to look very hard at my bike to see that it has a Scottoiler fitted. If fitted correctly they can be well hidden and will give years of trouble-free service.

[Foxy]

You have to look very hard at my bike to see that it has a Scottoiler fitted. If fitted correctly they can be well hidden and will give years of trouble-free service.
Where did you fit it, I couldn't see it on the pic :confused:

[Lozzo]

Where did you fit it, I couldn't see it on the pic :confused:

Exactly.

The RMV is under the rear seat on the left, all pipes are inside the bodywork and clipped in alongside the wiring. The vacuum pipe heads under the tank and into the throttle body connection, the delivery pipe goes down behind the small cover panel on the left, behind the engine (where it's clipped out of the way of the chain with a P-clip, under the swingarm and is then P-clipped again to the underside of the swingarm to make sure it never moves. It only took me an hour and a half to fit it like this, but I have done quite a few in the past so know where all the bits go.

[Foxy]

Exactly.

The RMV is under the rear seat on the left, all pipes are inside the bodywork and clipped in alongside the wiring. The vacuum pipe heads under the tank and into the throttle body connection, the delivery pipe goes down behind the small cover panel on the left, behind the engine (where it's clipped out of the way of the chain with a P-clip, under the swingarm and is then P-clipped again to the underside of the swingarm to make sure it never moves. It only took me an hour and a half to fit it like this, but I have done quite a few in the past so know where all the bits go.

Thank you :). I am hoping that I manage to do as good a job on mine as you have on yours ;)

[dyzio]

Don't know about the pointy but you can bolt it next to the rear shock on the curvy.

[Lozzo]

Thank you :). I am hoping that I manage to do as good a job on mine as you have on yours ;)

Depending on where you are, I could fit it for you.

[Foxy]

Depending on where you are, I could fit it for you.


Thank you but I live near Chippenham round the corner from Neio...

[yorkie_chris]

and don't mind cleaning light-oil flung crap every so often.


I think placement is very important, safety-wise.

Or just take my option and don't clean it.

Where's the safety issue?


The RMV is under the rear seat on the left,

Mine too.

My delivery pipe is on the steel plate they give you which fits around the spindle, it's between the square adjuster plate and the washer. I found the supplied pipe to be weedy and annoying, so used a small length of brass tube as it was easily workable and stays put.

Not as neat as the lozzo method though, and that's how I'd have done it if I'd have known.

[simonthepost]

Lozzo, Any chance of some pics? just bought a scottoiler 2day for my curvy (along with a shiny new chain n sprocket set !) and am in need of inspiration for positioning

[Luckypants]

Lozzo, Any chance of some pics? just bought a scottoiler 2day for my curvy (along with a shiny new chain n sprocket set !) and am in need of inspiration for positioning

The curvy has an ideal location for the RMV. Remove the little black plastic panel on LHS below the rider seat and you will see two tapped holes in the frame next to the shock. These holes will happily accept the standard scottoiler mounting bracket on the supplied bolt. The RMV is then secure, out of sight and easy to get at to fill up / adjust. There are some photos of this type of installation somewhere on the forum if you have a search. If the oil delivery tube is routed a la Lozzo with p-clips on the underside of the swing arm or behind the chain guard it will be virtually invisible.

Make sure you get the special part to insert in the vacuum pipe for your curvy, FOC from Scottoiler.

[Lozzo]

Lozzo, Any chance of some pics? just bought a scottoiler 2day for my curvy (along with a shiny new chain n sprocket set !) and am in need of inspiration for positioning

The RMV under the seat

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2452155104_f734371b58_b.jpg

Side view showing the height you want it at

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/2451328635_805081ace1_b.jpg

The delivery pipe mounted under swingarm on p-clips

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2151/2196069756_7eff97829c_b.jpg

[simonthepost]

Thanx 4 the pics, will attempt this 2morrow on me day off. if i get any probs will call scottoiler 4 help(or maybe pm lozzo!!)

[simonthepost]

Just Finished !! started about 11 ish this morning as i wanted a differant solution to fitting the oil pipe to the swing arm (rather than cable ties and am very reluctant to drill holes in it just yet, sorry Lozzo) so off i went to the local DIY store and sourced some extra heavy duty Water resistant velcro. Anyway, fitted the RMV in the space between the left hand side rear fairing so i could keep the underseat storage, routed all the pipes and then used said velcro to secure the oil pipe to the wing arm, dont know how long it will last but it looks neater than the cable ties anyway. Will post pics as soon as i figure it out.

[simonthepost]

here is a picture1492
And another1493
And another1494
And another, i located the RMV behind the left side (sitting on) rear fairing panel to a pre existing tapped hole.1495
Can any one tell me if this is an ok location for the oil hose?1496

[punyXpress]

Just be careful if using a paddock stand if the pads go under the s/arm - it could flatten or displace the oiler pipe.

[Lozzo]

Simon, that looks ok to me mate. As long as the pipe isn't in any danger of getting chewed by the chain it should be ok there. Nice neat job.

I'll back up what punyXpress says about paddock stands, but you can always pull the pipe off the velcro before putting a paddock stand under...or fit bobbins and never have to worry about it.

[simonthepost]

Just be careful if using a paddock stand if the pads go under the s/arm - it could flatten or displace the oiler pipe.

didn't think about that TBH!! better order some bobbins DOH!8-[

[punyXpress]

didn't think about that TBH!! better order some bobbins DOH!8-[
That's the way to do it!

[Dangerous Dave]

Can any one tell me if this is an ok location for the oil hose?
Shouldn't be a problem, just check for any signs of rubbing after a few miles as you don't want that bursting all over the rear wheel!

Good job.

[petevtwin650]

Can any one tell me if this is an ok location for the oil hose?1496

I would have put some of the thicker tubing that comes with the kit over that, as it's a potential wear problem.

Nice job though.

[85jas]

Scott oiler... or... tyre oiler...

It really has been as case of find the best Scottoiler thread to hijack, and ask the same questions again! Got the reservior neatly installed on the LHS under-seat panel of my curvy, routed the tubing under the swingarm, tapped into the vacuum fuel switch, set the flow to ~1 drop/min. Chain is lubing great but sooo much oil is ending up on my tyre! Is the flow too high or the position wrong? Lozzo's pic in this thread puts the delivery tube further towards the edge of the chain...

- but buggrit, a picture is worth a thousand words. So here are my twothousandhsworth, after a 40 mile bimble...

http://forums.sv650.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9731&d=1311803786

http://forums.sv650.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9732&d=1311803792

And yes, my chicken strips are very chicken flavoured :)

[Lozzo]

That looks about right for position, mine's just a little further forward than that but it makes no difference. Scottoiler say between the 6 and 7 O'clock positions is fine. The nib of the delivery pipe should be slashed end facing outwards and the tip rubbing the sprocket gently and as low down and close to the chain as is reasonably possible.

To be honest I think the flow rate is set too high or you're using winter oil which is thinner to cope with colder conditions, back it off to one drop every 45 seconds or even one every 30 secs and see how it is there. Your chain should be wet to the touch but there shouldn't be spray onto the tyre. Get it adjusted right now and you won't have problems in future.

First though, I'd check you have blue oil for summer use, red is for winter. If you use the red oil now you'll have to change the flow setting again for winter. Set up in summer with blue oil and you shouldn't have to change the flow much when you change oil when it's colder.

[85jas]

Thanks for the swift reply Lozzo! I'll get a bottle of the higher viscosity oil today and hopefully that'll solve the problem - currently got the lower viscosity blue stuff supplied with the kit. The flow is pretty much set as low as it will go (bout 9 o-clock as you look at the filler hole on the oiler), past that point the control becomes so sensitive that I get no flow at all... Gonna twist my homemade bracket round so it's closer to the chain too, it was much closer previously but the nib kept pinging off when wheeling the bike backwards.

Gonna get it spot on, I love simple and effective ideas and this bit of kit is bloomin' genius!

[BanannaMan]

To be honest I think the flow rate is set too high or you're using winter oil which is thinner to cope with colder conditions, back it off to one drop every 45 seconds or even one every 30 secs and see how it is there. Your chain should be wet to the touch but there shouldn't be spray onto the tyre. Get it adjusted right now and you won't have problems in future.

First though, I'd check you have blue oil for summer use, red is for winter. If you use the red oil now you'll have to change the flow setting again for winter. Set up in summer with blue oil and you shouldn't have to change the flow much when you change oil when it's colder.




All of this is completely backwards.
(what you on tonight Lozzo?) :smt028
I would agree the flow rate set too high, however, if you are at 1 drop per minute now you would need to extend the time between drops not reduce it. 1 drop every 30 seconds would mean twice as much oil, not less.


As for Scottoil and temps.
Blue is for use between 0–20 ºC (32-68 ºF).
Red Oil has an operating range of 20-40 ºC (68-104 ºF).
http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/products/scottoil.html

[garynortheast]

As for Scottoil and temps.
Blue is for use between 0–20 ºC (32-68 ºF).
Red Oil has an operating range of 20-40 ºC (68-104 ºF).
http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/products/scottoil.html

That's useful Bill. I didn't realise there were two different oils (things have moved on a bit since I fitted my first Scottoiler to my bike in the early 90's).
I've been using the blue oil since fitting the current Scottoiler to my SV and it's left no residue on the tyre but keeps the chain nicely oiled.

[Lozzo]

Damn, sorry chaps I got that all wrong. I was very tired when I posted. My Scottoiler came with blue oil so I assumed that was summer grade

[dill89]

I've got the universal V system for my 1000 and a couple of friends have the same for their 650's. I even had the V system on my Fazer 600 and it fits great.

£65 and easy enough fitting.

Scottoiler website gives you a document and pictures for fitting, wee buns.

http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/installation-guides.html

[beabert]

Scott oiler... or... tyre oiler...

It really has been as case of find the best Scottoiler thread to hijack, and ask the same questions again! Got the reservior neatly installed on the LHS under-seat panel of my curvy, routed the tubing under the swingarm, tapped into the vacuum fuel switch, set the flow to ~1 drop/min. Chain is lubing great but sooo much oil is ending up on my tyre! Is the flow too high or the position wrong? Lozzo's pic in this thread puts the delivery tube further towards the edge of the chain...

- but buggrit, a picture is worth a thousand words. So here are my twothousandhsworth, after a 40 mile bimble...

http://forums.sv650.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9731&d=1311803786

:)

Just checked mines the same :D im still experimenting, will flow rate and various oils.

[85jas]

Still experimenting too :) Initially I turned down the flow right down (maybe a drop every few minutes!) and it improved things a lot but there was still fair amount of oil on the tyre after a 140-mile round trip. So purged out all the blue stuff and put in the red stuff, and it hasn't made much difference! Seems mine is being a right PITA :smt013 My problem is setting the flow low enough so it doesn't fling but not so low it stops. Will keep trying!

You're trying different oils, have you tried any standard grades (eg 10w-40, 75w-90 gear oil, etc) ? I'd love to know if there are any anti-fling oils out there that one can buy that aren't in a Silkoline spray can :)

Gonna get this f**ker working on the SV, next bike is getting a Pro-oiler :)

[yorkie_chris]

Chainsaw oil has the same sticky additive in it. Basically same as scottoil, not sure what grade though.

[garynortheast]

I used to use chainsaw oil in my first scottoiler but I found it stringing to readily to be really effective. It was difficult to get each drop to seperate from the nozzle properly if you see what I mean.

[beabert]

I'm currently using tesco 2stroke oil (first thing i put my hand on), on lowest setting is seems to be about right. So ill try something thicker when its all gone.

[Bibio]

i actually run the oiler quite high and get a lot of oil all over the place, but to date i have had no slippage to speak of.

[85jas]

Hmm nice one YC, you learn something every day! My brain didn't make the leap of imagination, bike chain, chainsaw... doh. Gary, when you say it is stringing, the oil doesn't separate from itself? Is that actually a problem when the oil runs onto the sprocket?

Fair play bibio, makes me feel a bit better - I'm still going through the newbie stage of learning how to corner and progressively getting further and further down on the tyres - scary enough, then my brain says 'hold on, what about all that oil on the edge' just as I'm going into a left-hander :O Also, after a hundred miles on the motorway, I can't help but feel that all that oil will make that roundabout 1st exit interesting :) Does most of your riding involve constantly wearing the oil off the tyre, or do you do lots of straight miles too?

But then what do I know! Steep learning curve and all that...

[garynortheast]

It was only a problem inasmuch as it didn't spread itself around the chain as effectively as something slightly less stringy would. Having said that, I used the stuff in the Scottoiler I had fitted to the old BSA M21 I was running at the time and it sort of did the job.

[Bibio]

put it out your brain.. i forgot to turn the oiler down after priming it on my brothers duke and never noticed till i got home after a very very spirited ride. the whole back wheel was soaking in it and quite a bit on the tyre. yes it felt a little squermish at times but i put that down to all the gravel that was lying about.

[85jas]

Quick update, after doing a couple of hundred miles on the more viscous red oil I'm chuffed with it all. I've got the flow set relatively high but the thicker oil seems to stay on better; there's more on the chain guard and less on the wheel, thanks Lozzo! Might give the chainsaw oil a bash at some point Gary but the red stuff is doing me proud.

Bibio, +1, thanks - I'm just a paranoid tw*t that's all! These last couple of weeks I'm starting to get more comfortable on the bike itself, and with control and confidence through the corners and got down onto that oily strip a bit more, with no issues whatsoever :)

Amazing what you can do to the bike's stability by just shifting your bum that little bit further back on the seat... love it. What a learning curve this is turning out to be :D Slowly, very slowly, I feel I am learning!

[Bibio]

the bike will do it, its telling your brain that. if you are totally new to riding a motorcycle its a case of teaching your brain that the sensation its receiving is normal as you have a built in self preservation that is saying 'this is wrong'.

glad your enjoying the scottoiler. welcome to the longer chain life club :-)

[85jas]

Indeedy, I am completely new to it all and I have to break down my own brain, bit by bit... Just like getting used to heights, or snorkeling :) Definitely don't suffer from overconfidence issues, thankfully!!

Thanks again everyone for your help.