"We won't abuse anti-terror laws, honest!"

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Disgusting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/24/nterror224.xml

[pencil shavings]

I can only hope that one day the Lib Dems get into power. They are the only main party at least claiming to stay out of our everyday business.

[neio79]

Can this country get any Fing worse????

I hope one day a government with common sense get into power!!!!

[Jamie Slick]

Here is the U.S., it's freeze the accounts now, worry about having proof later.

I work for a financial institution, and it has become MORE than ridiculous the things we have to go through not just to open a new account, but to do something as simple as cash a check. :smt120

We have to run an OFAC check on EVERYONE!! It's overkill.

[Wayluya]

It's overkill.

It's NOT overkill!!

I too am playing a small part in the War on Terror, and very good it is too $$$$$$$$ :D.....have I caught Osama? Why the fook would I wanna do that? He's paid for me SV :D amongst many other things.

To be honest I am a little bit unclear which side I am on - due to the economic damage I know that is being caused to UK Plc with no results....but I consider that a minor detail :D.....YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US is not terribly specific ;) Wouldn't surprise me if Al Quaida funds ZANU Labour :smt066

My advice is: if yer can hear the sound of a Gravy Train approaching, jump on board and ride da b#tch into the buffers, don't worry about the damage caused - sorting the mess out could be the next Gravy Train!

Choo! Choo! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :D:D

[pencil shavings]

It's NOT overkill!!

I too am playing a small part in the War on Terror, and very good it is too $$$$$$$$ :D.....have I caught Osama? Why the fook would I wanna do that? He's paid for me SV :D amongst many other things.

To be honest I am a little bit unclear which side I am on - due to the economic damage I know that is being caused to UK Plc with no results....but I consider that a minor detail :D.....YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US is not terribly specific ;) Wouldn't surprise me if Al Quaida funds ZANU Labour :smt066

My advice is: if yer can hear the sound of a Gravy Train approaching, jump on board and ride da b#tch into the buffers, don't worry about the damage caused - sorting the mess out could be the next Gravy Train!

Choo! Choo! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :D:D


WTF

this sounds like you would do anything for money, regardless of the effect :confused:

dosent sound like the right attitute to me

[the_lone_wolf]

It's NOT overkill!!

I too am playing a small part in the War on Terror, and very good it is too $$$$$$$$ :D.....have I caught Osama? Why the fook would I wanna do that? He's paid for me SV :D amongst many other things.

To be honest I am a little bit unclear which side I am on - due to the economic damage I know that is being caused to UK Plc with no results....but I consider that a minor detail :D.....YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US is not terribly specific ;) Wouldn't surprise me if Al Quaida funds ZANU Labour :smt066

My advice is: if yer can hear the sound of a Gravy Train approaching, jump on board and ride da b#tch into the buffers, don't worry about the damage caused - sorting the mess out could be the next Gravy Train!

Choo! Choo! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :D:D
remember kids: meth will f*** you up...

:shaking:


;)

[Wayluya]

WTF

this sounds like you would do anything for money, regardless of the effect :confused:

dosent sound like the right attitute to me

I do my job exactly as designed and legislated for by others........not my fault that I understand the self defeating stupidity involved........what am I meant to do? send the money back with a note of explanation? :rolleyes:.......or laugh about it and enjoy the money? :cool:

[gettin2dizzy]

I do my job exactly as designed and legislated for by others........not my fault that I understand the self defeating stupidity involved........what am I meant to do? send the money back with a note of explanation? :rolleyes:.......or laugh about it and enjoy the money? :cool:
What the hell are you talking about? What is it you do?

[pencil shavings]

I do my job exactly as designed and legislated for by others........not my fault that I understand the self defeating stupidity involved........what am I meant to do? send the money back with a note of explanation? :rolleyes:.......or laugh about it and enjoy the money? :cool:

you sound like a drug runner trying to justify his possition. It is important to note that just because somthing is legal, it dosent make it right to do.

[Tim in Belgium]

Is building weapons right?

[gettin2dizzy]

Is building weapons right?
...I've written about 6 different answers to this and haven't decided yet...

[Tim in Belgium]

Ahah, you've gone for the bait ;)

By the way I work for a multi national chemical company so can hardly talk...

[gettin2dizzy]

Ahah, you've gone for the bait ;)

By the way I work for a multi national chemical company so can hardly talk...

Well I work in munitions so I should probably bloody know! ;)

[Tim in Belgium]

Do you know a guy called Matt, project engineer/manager type I think, works down in Wales somewhere on challenger 2 munitions for BAe?

[gettin2dizzy]

He'll work on my site then :)
I know a few Matts, know their rough age or surname?

[Tim in Belgium]

PM'd, for his own safety ;)

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Well I work in munitions so I should probably bloody know! ;)

You sell weapons to mad foreigners so they can kill themselves, that brings money into the UK which is fine and dandy, nowt wrong with that.

Working for part of the gigantic beaurocratic mess that's fast ruining any last bit of freedom we have left here on the other hand... :?

[Jamie Slick]

It's NOT overkill!!

I too am playing a small part in the War on Terror, and very good it is too $$$$$$$$ :D.....have I caught Osama? Why the fook would I wanna do that? He's paid for me SV :D amongst many other things.

To be honest I am a little bit unclear which side I am on - due to the economic damage I know that is being caused to UK Plc with no results....but I consider that a minor detail :D.....YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US is not terribly specific ;) Wouldn't surprise me if Al Quaida funds ZANU Labour :smt066

My advice is: if yer can hear the sound of a Gravy Train approaching, jump on board and ride da b#tch into the buffers, don't worry about the damage caused - sorting the mess out could be the next Gravy Train!

Choo! Choo! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :D:D

I am AGAINST terrorism, but YES, what we have to do is OVERKILL. :rolleyes:

Obviously the laws and regulations are different here than they are there.

[Bluepete]

By the way I work for a multi national chemical company...


YOU MAKE FOAM FFS! :D :D :D :D

[Tim in Belgium]

Using phosgene.....(well at the bit of the process in Holland).

[Baph]

Is building weapons right?
Yes.

Does anyone want to argue? :smt067

Point proven. :D

[the_lone_wolf]

"Meanwhile, back on topic..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7369543.stm

[pencil shavings]

"Meanwhile, back on topic..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7369543.stm

I might be wrong but didnt the US (pre 9/11) use terrorism laws to combat organised crime?
I know its not the same, but once a law is past there is very little that can be done to make sure it is always implimented correctly (as far as I can tell!)

[slark01]

Simple question:-
How far does society or government go to stop people from breaking the law or catching law breakers.
Is it truely wrong to use surveillance to catch petty criminals, organised criminals and terrorsists.
I reckon that people just don't like being spied on regardless of the reason. Also from what I have observed most people that scream and shout about human rights in the UK are usually just arguementative or doing something that they shouldn't.
Thats my thought for today right or wrong :-)

[yorkie_chris]

Yes.

Does anyone want to argue? :smt067

Point proven. :D


Peace by superior firepower :-P

Weapons never killed anyone...

[Sid Squid]

Disgusting.

But completely and utterly unsurprising.

It's not a matter of entirely clueless politicians overusing a given power, but the stunningly simple fact that they have completely lost any sense of serving the public, it's quite apparent that nowadays politics is a service only to itself.
And our last governmentally disastrous ten years has demonstrated that more effectively than anything I could possibly say.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Simple question:-
How far does society or government go to stop people from breaking the law or catching law breakers.
Is it truely wrong to use surveillance to catch petty criminals, organised criminals and terrorsists.
I reckon that people just don't like being spied on regardless of the reason. Also from what I have observed most people that scream and shout about human rights in the UK are usually just arguementative or doing something that they shouldn't.
Thats my thought for today right or wrong :-)

What you have to bare in mind is that this government, in conjunction with Europe, are passing tens of thousands (maybe more?) laws each year. Soon, pretty much anything you do will be against the law. Most of the time this doesn't bother us, as surveillance isn't all encompassing yet.

If it gets that way, at best you'll have local authorities issuing fines like it's going out of fashion. You can already get fines issued by cctv operatives, who film people turning a couple of feet too early into a bus lane before entering a side road, of for stopping to let someone out of the car on a red route, but when you're already stationary in traffic. The beaurocratic fining machine will go into overdrive.

Worst is if central government abuses the law. Then, as everyone will have broken the law at some point, they'll just drag people that oppose them off to prison...

But completely and utterly unsurprising.

It's not a matter of entirely clueless politicians overusing a given power, but the stunningly simple fact that they have completely lost any sense of serving the public, it's quite apparent that nowadays politics is a service only to itself.
And our last governmentally disastrous ten years has demonstrated that more effectively than anything I could possibly say.

And noone seems to care.