Strictly baby fighting club

[gettin2dizzy]

Couldn't watch more than 5 minutes. What a disturbing program. Sick *******s

[Warthog]

Yeah I already didn't even bother, it would just rile me.

[busasean]

Couldn't watch more than 5 minutes. What a disturbing program. Sick *******s

yep, parents were all scum and I dont even have kids!!!!

[markmoto]

i agree there has to be limits to this type of thing but i also think it has its merits in a controled enviroment i,e teaches kids disapline and gives them an interest, dont think they should be allowed to do it under 8 yrs of age though.

[ljharmitt]

i do martial arts myself, and watched this, i was training since i was 9 and have people in my club who were fighting at 5 :o. i know what you say but it was her choice, it is a lot more controlled than it looks. I have fought for england at various different times and never been or seen anyone get seriously injured. Nearly been training 9 years so i do have experience. I do fight kickboxing but have fought against and also trained with thai boxing and such. My club actually competed against the "assasin" squad and won lol. (The ones who called their kid Thai).

So it is actually safe lol

[markmoto]

i do martial arts myself, and watched this, i was training since i was 9 and have people in my club who were fighting at 5 :o. i know what you say but it was her choice, it is a lot more controlled than it looks. I have fought for england at various different times and never been or seen anyone get seriously injured. Nearly been training 9 years so i do have experience. I do fight kickboxing but have fought against and also trained with thai boxing and such. My club actually competed against the "assasin" squad and won lol. (The ones who called their kid Thai).

So it is actually safe lol

Yep its alot safer than people think, that programme was very biased in the way it was edited, as most things are on tv now.

[Warthog]

Its not about whether it is safe or not, it is about making kids grow up in an environment of violence. Martial arts are great because they also teach you meditation and respect and a good way of life, but I didn't see those kids getting much other than a beating.

Put another way, I do not want to live in a world where kids are raised to be fighters, it would just make them resort to violence in later life.

[ljharmitt]

Its not about whether it is safe or not, it is about making kids grow up in an environment of violence. Martial arts are great because they also teach you meditation and respect and a good way of life, but I didn't see those kids getting much other than a beating.

Put another way, I do not want to live in a world where kids are raised to be fighters, it would just make them resort to violence in later life.

You have no idea, it is most likely to stop them being violent, like i say i have met loads of fighters in my time as a martial artist and you very very rarely see anyone who is violent, it is more likely to control your anger. You do learn discipline in any martial art, its just that the programme wasnt concentrating on that aspect, just the influence the parents have on their children.

There is always discipline, and people do get upset when they lose. But you never see them hitting the ref or the opponent when they do.

[arc123]

Don't see a problem with juniors competeing per se. I think the parents came across as typical 'pushy parents', which does occur in virtually every sport, just probably looks worse when it's fighting involved.

Yep its alot safer than people think, that programme was very biased in the way it was edited, as most things are on tv now.

Not sure I agree with this - I think that the documentary makers made a good programme. Nothing was portrayed that wasn't said or implied or caught on camera.

Its not about whether it is safe or not, it is about making kids grow up in an environment of violence...... Put another way, I do not want to live in a world where kids are raised to be fighters, it would just make them resort to violence in later life.

Really?? Where do you think Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, David Haye etc etc started? IMO training like this tends to provide people with self-discipline, work ethic, respect, learning to both win & lose. I have witnessed 'youngsters' (aged around 12ish) compete at KB/Muay fight, continue to compete into as they get older, and not one has grown into the type of person who 'resorts to violence in later life'. Quite the opposite in fact. Many people come to kb who think they are 'hard' or know how to fight/throw a punch, and loose this attitude pretty quickly when they realise how poor they actually are. So my experience shows the opposite to what you are saying.

[gettin2dizzy]

Pushing your 4 year old daughter to fight in a ring is so disturbing these parents should have their children taken away from them. Wait until these kids are old enough to make their own decisions for themselves.

[arc123]

Oh an BTW, if my above response indicates that I agreed with all parts then I do not. However, the persons on the programme were selected to give exactly the content that the makers required (which is a little different to editing to get what you want).

The programme could have followed a vast number of gyms, and childrens training, and i'm sure opinions would have been vastly different. In fact, I know of a gym that was scheduled to be part of the programme, spent weeks filming/interviewing, and found out that none of the material was to be used. when the programme was aired. The reason?? None of the material gained at the gym was 'contreversial' enough. There was no swearing at kids, full body/head protection was always used, the kids were always there by choice, parents were not involved with training etc etc etc.

So to me, the content has taken a very small snapshot of possible contributers, and selected the ones that provide the material that meets their objectives.

Hell - i'm suyre there are 'pushy parents' involved in motorcycle racing, and I know that more kids have died persuing this activity.

[ljharmitt]

Hell - i'm suyre there are 'pushy parents' involved in motorcycle racing, and I know that more kids have died persuing this activity.

Give this man a pint he knows what he's talking about (sorta lol) :eye:

[arc123]

Give this man a pint he knows what he's talking about (sorta lol) :eye:

well if you're buying...... :cool:

[sv-robo]

My eldest son 7 1/2 yrs old has been training in martial arts for nearly 3 yrs now(passed 11 belts)and should be a black belt within the next 12 months.

I started him training, as when he was born he was 6 weeks premature and very small (4lb-3oz) and was in special care for the first month of his life,he still is quite small for his age but back then i felt it was affecting his confidence and self esteem.

3 yrs on a what a differance martial arts has made to my little boys life,he's confident,popular and his teachers say he's a joy to teach,he may still be small but he's a little pocket rocket,but is also a kid who knows discipline and would never abuse his talents and when he's in his martial arts class and it's sparring time he always seems to choose to spar against the bigger kids(10/11yrs)lol.

I'm not a pushy parent but i would love to see him succeed and get to the very top in this sport,i am always more than happy to get him to all his classes and do extra training with him at home,as and when he wants to(i enjoy it as i spent many yrs training myself).

Regarding strictly baby fight club,i know that he wants to do competition himself and i would be happy to encourage him if thats what he wants to do,but how some parents approached the matter last night i have to say was bang out of order,those poor kids were more or less treated like animals.

Ithink martial arts(if taught in the right manner,for the right reasons)is great for kids,it gives them discipline,respect,fitness and helps their social skills and god knows with the world today(pedophiles,gangs etc)i feel it always gives your kids a chance/head start if they can look after themselves.

Here is a picture of my son last month,with his student of the year2007 trophy and medal,and also his certificate after passing his brown/black stripe belt.

Hope you like?

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee120/sv-robo/Captured2008-3-3000003-1.jpg

[the_lone_wolf]

Diametrical opinions in this thread...


Well...


There's only one way to settle this...

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[Flamin_Squirrel]

Diametrical opinions in this thread...


Well...


There's only one way to settle this...

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The martial artists vs the pacifists. Oh dear.

[shonadoll]

He's a handsome little guy, good for him. FWIW, I agree with you.

[Warthog]

The martial artists vs the pacifists. Oh dear.

hehe, well I am actually a martial artist, I have done many years of Tae Kwon Do and I fully support martial arts. But I still think children should have a childhood rather than being born and immediately made to batter each other.

[DanAbnormal]

There is little that is artisitc about Thai boxing. Discipline, yeah sure. Personally I would not let any of my kids do that at the age of 5, it's irresponsible I think. When they reach about 9 or so then something like Karate, Judor similar which is more about defense then yes. But all I remember from years of Thai boxing is that I was taught to attack first, ask questions later. I wanted to kick people in the head as hard as I could. And it go me into plenty more truble than if I'd not know how to throw my weight around. Mind you, I was younger and a bit less intelligent then (I know, hard to comprehend :p).

[ArtyLady]

My eldest son 7 1/2 yrs old has been training in martial arts for nearly 3 yrs now(passed 11 belts)and should be a black belt within the next 12 months.

I started him training, as when he was born he was 6 weeks premature and very small (4lb-3oz) and was in special care for the first month of his life,he still is quite small for his age but back then i felt it was affecting his confidence and self esteem.

3 yrs on a what a differance martial arts has made to my little boys life,he's confident,popular and his teachers say he's a joy to teach,he may still be small but he's a little pocket rocket,but is also a kid who knows discipline and would never abuse his talents and when he's in his martial arts class and it's sparring time he always seems to choose to spar against the bigger kids(10/11yrs)lol.

I'm not a pushy parent but i would love to see him succeed and get to the very top in this sport,i am always more than happy to get him to all his classes and do extra training with him at home,as and when he wants to(i enjoy it as i spent many yrs training myself).

Regarding strictly baby fight club,i know that he wants to do competition himself and i would be happy to encourage him if thats what he wants to do,but how some parents approached the matter last night i have to say was bang out of order,those poor kids were more or less treated like animals.

Ithink martial arts(if taught in the right manner,for the right reasons)is great for kids,it gives them discipline,respect,fitness and helps their social skills and god knows with the world today(pedophiles,gangs etc)i feel it always gives your kids a chance/head start if they can look after themselves.

Here is a picture of my son last month,with his student of the year2007 trophy and medal,and also his certificate after passing his brown/black stripe belt.

Hope you like?



Brilliant well done that lad! :D

Both my kids did karate for a couple of years because they wanted to. It kept them fit and taught them respect. :cool:

[gettin2dizzy]

:lol:
who said martial arts was a bit... ridiculous ;)
http://www.videosift.com/video/Dave-Grisbees-Camera-Defense-Training

[northwind]

The martial artists vs the pacifists. Oh dear.

Just as long as the pacifist get some shao lin monks, it'll balance out :D

[ljharmitt]

But all I remember from years of Thai boxing is that I was taught to attack first, ask questions later. I wanted to kick people in the head as hard as I could. And it go me into plenty more truble than if I'd not know how to throw my weight around. Mind you, I was younger and a bit less intelligent then (I know, hard to comprehend :p).

But that depends on the instructor and what he/she wants you to be like.

[charris]

So, are people disagreeing with marshall arts? Or disagreeing with martial arts before a certain age? Or just disagreeing with pushy parents living out their dreams through their kids?

[ljharmitt]

So, are people disagreeing with marshall arts? Or disagreeing with martial arts before a certain age? Or just disagreeing with pushy parents living out their dreams through their kids?

I agree with martial arts at any age as long as thats what the children want

[sv-robo]

I agree with martial arts at any age as long as thats what the children want
+1

[kitkat]

i do or should I say did as ive not been for a few months, Muah Thai Boxing and my son and daughter have both done it too. the class i go to has a number of kids (all over 8. Instructor has an age limit as he says that under 8s tend to not listen and follow instruction. He will make the exception if a child can prove that he will listen and do as he is told.

My son has also done Taekwondo (6 months) but got bored. Karate got fed up repeating the same moves all the time. He likes Muay Thai cos he actually gets to hit and kick stuff.

I love it as it gets rid of the days frustrations and comes in handy with chavs touch you up in the shop. I dont do the gradings though as I dont like the prayer moves, I feel silly doing them. I just like to punch and kick8)

[northwind]

The advanced group in my tai chi class- all over 80- just started with the weapons forms, I'm a bit concerned that teaching people at that age how to batter people with sticks is setting the scenes for carnage in the care homes in a couple of years. "Take your pills Mr Johnston" "NO!" <WHACK!>