manchester uni, hang your head in shame.

[Gene genie]

front page of the manchester evening news tonight reported that m/c uni are to take a vote next week on banning the armed forces from their campus. under a proposal officers from the army, raf, and navy would be barred from setting up stalls for the next three years because they object to the recruitment of young people to fight in what they say as 'unjust wars'.

members of families, sons, fathers, daughters and mothers have paid the ultimate sacrafice so that people can enjoy freedom and students can freely go to uni and yet they see fit to give this policy the time of day.

i'm not tarring all students with the same brush, i do have a hunch on who the particular students that are objecting, but i think i'll keep that to myself.:rant:

[grh1904]

Surely the students who object to the unjust wars would be better banning poloticians etc from the campus, and not the armed forces.

This could be a dangerous move, and could create within this country an anti-forces feeling akin to that experienced by the American forces during & after Vietnam. The people in the US took out there anti-war feelings on the service personnel, and it took a long time for the "nation" to show it's debt of gratitude, I mean just look at the number of films about the feelings towards the service personnel, Rambo, Born on 4th July, Deer hunter etc.

I for one would hate to see any anti service personnel feelings develop, no-one joins up to specifically to go to Iraq or Afghanistan, they join up because for their own reason they want to be in the forces.

If those at University feel these wars are "unjust", then don't go to the recruiting drive or whatever it is. By banning such things all they are doing is denying the rights of those that are considering such a career to go along and ask questions etc.

[Razor]

Spoiled gits.

[FG1]

That is outragous.
I suppose it's another case of how soft this country has got over the years.
I was in the RAF for 14 years and if I was banned from going anywhere just because of the fact I was in the forces I would certainly be kicking up a stink against it.
This country owes an awful lot to the forces both past and present. If it were not for their dedication to do what they were told, even if they may disagree, then the freedom to live our lives as we want would be questionable. It's a sad state we are in when the very people who defend our freedom are not allowed freedom themselves.
Things like this are destroying "our country" and I feel encouraging people towards having the racist views and opinions that we are not allowed to have.

[600+]

Though I agree with you guys lets make sure we understand they are asking for the recruiters to be banned.....not the people in the forces.

though it might lead to people having ill feelings for the armed forces they are only trying to get the recruiters off campus.

[ukgooner]

If other company's are able to attend / represaent themselves at recruitment fairs held at the university, then so should our armed services.

Look at quotes below, what world do they actually think they live in!!

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/39226/Teachers-to-ban-armed-forces-from-classrooms

Do they honestly believe that this world would be a safer place with no military, and they are teaching our kids!

[600+]

hey you never know! the plan might be to change the UK to a new Switzerland :)

there are 2 ways to protect a country......either by strong army or by a strong economy

[FG1]

But either of them still need a strong goverment. Do we have one of them ?? I think not.

[pencil shavings]

Do they honestly believe that this world would be a safer place with no military, and they are teaching our kids!

The world would be safer if noone had a military :takeabow:

I agree, it is ilogical and can only cause problems if they are banned. Universities are ment to be a haven for rational though at the expense of norms and free expression. Unfortunatly it is not like this in my experiance.

[Warthog]

People should be able to make up their own minds! If you start banning and controlling things then we have no freedom anymore :(

[sv-robo]

After yesterdays defeat to chelsea:Dand there post match outburst,should'nt the thread title be .......
MANCHESTER UNITED,HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME:toss:ers.

That is all.

[northwind]

People should be able to make up their own minds!

That's exactly what they're doing 8-[ This thread amuses me, on the one hand "paid the ultimate sacrafice so that people can enjoy freedom", on the other "how dare you democratically make a decision based on your own beliefs". I don't agree with the idea of banning these, mind, but the irony of the responses is great.

Thing is... Is anyone really totally comfortable with the way they market the forces these days, specifically at young people? "Join the army and fly a little remote controlled drone, it's just like your Xbox except we pay you!" "Join the army and you'll get to drive a tank! Woo!" We've cracked down on cigarettte advertising that made smoking look cool and exciting and ignored the risk to health... You can say that people would have to be naive not to realise that the army is dangerous, and of course that's true, but then naivety isn't in short supply at uni.

[pencil shavings]

other stuff.............but then naivety isn't in short supply at uni.

+10000000

[andywilson460]

Remember - Everyone in Switzerland is in the Army, they all have guns at home in case they need to be called up!

[dissuade]

i have to admit i go to manchester uni and am appalled that the armed forces are to be banned from advertisement on campus (firstly for this whole "unjust war" bullcrap and secondly also due to the fact that they do not recruit disabled people and thus "discriminate" against them. rubbish), not just because it takes away the students' right to the choice of whether to join what is in effect not the true armed forces but a "uni club" version of it, but also because it is simply outrageous that the BNP and several of the slightly more radical islamic groups are allowed to parade on campus all they like. b*stards.

in case anyone is around manchester:


Manchester Student's Union is holding a general meeting next wednesday (30/04/08) and following the recent ban at UCL one of the proposed motions is to ban the military from all campus areas. If the motion is passed it will last for three years and this is the one chance to opose it.

Everyone who is a current student at the University of Manchester can vote, all you need to do is turn up with your student card on Wednesday 30 April at 13:30 in Academy 2 in the union.

For more information see:
http://www.umsu.manchester.ac.uk/pdf/MOTION_A_30.4.08.pdf

Spread the word and get as many people along to the meeting as possible


and

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7368932.stm


go join this group if you are on facecrack and it makes you mad too:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12245047631

[northwind]

secondly also due to the fact that they do not recruit disabled people and thus "discriminate" against them. rubbish

What, seriously? That's just insane. You have to wonder how people like that end up with any influence, I mean, it's not even in the interest of the organisation to have monkeys like that in them, because it makes them look so ridiculous. I never really did student politics but those I know who did said the hardest part wasn't getting the message out, it was getting it taken seriously... And so they spent half their time kicking out and marginalising idiots like that.

We ran the BNP and the Scientologists off campus though, that was good. We didn't vote against them, we just made them not want to come back. Which is quite undemocratic I suppose, but **** em. No radical muslims to run off... Wonder if there is now?

[Flamin_Squirrel]

What, seriously? That's just insane.

I give it a few years before a modeling agency gets sued by someone for being discriminated against for being ugly.

[yorkie_chris]

front page of the manchester evening news tonight reported that m/c uni are to take a vote next week on banning the armed forces from their campus. under a proposal officers from the army, raf, and navy would be barred from setting up stalls for the next three years because they object to the recruitment of young people to fight in what they say as 'unjust wars'.

members of families, sons, fathers, daughters and mothers have paid the ultimate sacrafice so that people can enjoy freedom and students can freely go to uni and yet they see fit to give this policy the time of day.

i'm not tarring all students with the same brush, i do have a hunch on who the particular students that are objecting, but i think i'll keep that to myself.:rant:


Uni's have far too many champagne communist, range-rover environmentalist and general do-gooder w4nkers.

Apparently these tosspieces tried to petition against accepting military funding for engineering at Leeds uni. "Jet turbine research for fighter planes is baaaad dudes"... and it doesn't matter that it makes airliners more efficient, because I suppose we should all be surfing and getting stoned in f###in cornwall.

http://i.treehugger.com/domimages/TH_hippie_031205.jpg

[northwind]

we should all be surfing and getting stoned in f###in cornwall.

Have to admit it has its attractions...

[yorkie_chris]

Yeah I quite enjoy sitting in a field in the sun with a few cans etc myself. I don't pretend it's a political statement though :-P

[dissuade]

What, seriously? That's just insane.

it is true. in past years we have had to be careful in our choice of words and very tactful in turning people away from the recruitment stand in freshers week. the fact of the matter is, yes it is a "uni club" but it doesn't receive university funding but military funding, and orders for recruitment come from higher up. the union "politicians" have just been brooding over how many ways they can shaft us by counting how many disabled students/students from ethnic minorities or non-commonwealth countries we have in the University Armed Forces Organisations to be able to call us discriminating bigoted racists, and I think that is their biggest argument, not so much the "unjust war" theory.

[yorkie_chris]

non-commonwealth countries we have in the University Armed Forces Organisations

They not see a small correlation between British people wanting to join the British armed forces compared to non-British people? Eejits.

[dissuade]

They not see a small correlation between British people wanting to join the British armed forces compared to non-British people? Eejits.

i never said they were smart, or that they had a point. :rolleyes:

[Gene genie]

it is true. in past years we have had to be careful in our choice of words and very tactful in turning people away from the recruitment stand in freshers week. the fact of the matter is, yes it is a "uni club" but it doesn't receive university funding but military funding, and orders for recruitment come from higher up. the union "politicians" have just been brooding over how many ways they can shaft us by counting how many disabled students/students from ethnic minorities or non-commonwealth countries we have in the University Armed Forces Organisations to be able to call us discriminating bigoted racists, and I think that is their biggest argument, not so much the "unjust war" theory.i thought i had it difficult being a works chargehand in a mill town factory with victorian ideals.
how can a student concentrate on the job in hand with so much distraction from other parties is beyond me.
i have read all the posts and still stand on how i feel. you have to stand up and be counted at times, bullies at school to national security. battles and wars will never end, there are far too many evil and sadistic people to ever let that happen. its a sad fact but there will be other wars and i feel much closer to home next time. i wonder what they'll do then when their homes are burning and their family members are missing. probably put a claim in.

[Stingo]

I find it difficult to construct something balanced and reasonable to add to or form part of this discussion. However, I think that for fairness, Manchester Uni should not be regarded as an island when it comes to matters of this sort. There is similar feeling through much of the membership of 'academia' and those that deliver it.

On a technical point - the term 'Recruiters' I feel should be expanded upon.

From the RN viewpoint:-

Those that work in the 'recruiting service' are usually persons that have left the regular part of the RN and therefore do not serve at sea or on naval establishments per se (they occasionally visit to get a brief on current workings/thinkings/requirements etc). They do however wear naval uniform, remain signed up to the Naval Discipline Act and are in the pay of the public purse - so to all intents and purposes are IN the RN (they just don't go to sea, they earn a salary and so do not draw their pension). In addition, occasionally regulars assist the recruiters during specific events - for example I will soon be taking part in an event in Lancashire where there will be representatives from the other armed forces 'selling/advertising' our product to those taking part in the specific event. For what it's worth, I have no intention of becoming a full time recruiter at the end of my term - I would like to experience something else.

Subjects of this nature are quite emotive, and rightly so - there stir the heart and bring people together in a form of nationalist support - whilst at the same time others are sceptically driven into a different direction. Never the two will meet or agree on the core matter.

I guess in a way it is quite a concern that the presence of the armed forces is on the verge of disappearing from campus but there are other ways of advertising ones product. Quite often the very act of banning something in the hope of reducing its visibility for fear of its popularity has exactly the opposite effect and just makes it more mysterious and so people will try harder to reach/attain that thing.

Gosh - that was a long one.:takeabow:

[neio79]

I bet these dume students dont ban the companies that support the defence industry such as EADS, BT, Lockhed martin, BAE, mcaffe to name a few i bet these dumb ar*eholes dont realise there is a connection. They just seee a blinkerd view of the world given their age and what the media tells them.

Its a joke as the recruiters at Uni will be after otential officers not as i am an other rank soldier. but again they are probably too dumb to realise this.
I wish them well in tehir sad little lives with their usless degree in Art or hymilayan pottery or something as usless to the real world. and hope they find thier career working in tescos fufilling after they have paid off thier huge student loan.

[yorkie_chris]

I bet these dume students dont ban the companies that support the defence industry such as EADS, BT, Lockhed martin, BAE, mcaffe to name a few i bet these dumb ar*eholes dont realise there is a connection. They just seee a blinkerd view of the world given their age and what the media tells them.

Actually they tried to stop engineering dept. at leeds from accepting funding from these "unethical" companies. Dead clever that.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush! It's hippies that are the problem, us engineers are alright!

[neio79]

I bet these dume students dont ban the companies that support the defence industry such as EADS, BT, Lockhed martin, BAE, mcaffe to name a few i bet these dumb ar*eholes dont realise there is a connection. They just seee a blinkerd view of the world given their age and what the media tells them.

Actually they tried to stop engineering dept. at leeds from accepting funding from these "unethical" companies. Dead clever that.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush! It's hippies that are the problem, us engineers are alright!


YC, have no fear i was not taring all students with the same brush mate. I just tried to point out that these hippies probably are so blinkered that they can not see the relation ship between these big companies and the UK military, hence my post.

Ironicallly i bet a few of them end up wprking for one of these companies but i wonder how their morals will kick in then when the pay cheque arrives every month?

[yorkie_chris]

I very much doubt morality plays any part of it when their mates arent around.

This is pretty much why I don't go in the student union.

[Lozzo]

Personally, I'd be looking at banning the objectors from the campus, they obviously don't have the safety and security of this nation in mind when they open their traps.

[dissuade]

I think all they want is something to get upset about. If it's not Iraq, then it's women's rights, if it's not women's rights, it's tuition fees, or global warming, or GM foods, or Nestle, or gay rights, or tony blair, or gordon brown, or somethingorotherthatoneofthemheardonthenewsandgota littleupsetabout. This time, it's the military. I think it's just another excuse for a lot of them to have a day off uni and demonstrate about something they don't really have much of a clue about.

Most of them will attend this meeting and demonstrate against the military on campus, or just the military in general (I bet some of them will have even been up all night making banners) without really knowing what it is the military does. The fact that a significant portion MOD operations is humanitarian relief seems to pass them by, seen as most of what they hear comes directly from the Sun, or the Hippy Daily.

[yorkie_chris]

So who's up for some rolling burnouts?

[flymo]

Surely the students who object to the unjust wars would be better banning poloticians etc from the campus, and not the armed forces.

+1 - this is poor. They'll be banning people because of religious or political beliefs next. If prospective employers are allowed to recruit there then the armed forces should be included in that.

[MiniMatt]

Students have always been more than a little suspicious of the military and rightly so...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg/240px-Tianasquare.jpg

There's a PJ O'Rourke quote along the lines of "the man at 20 who is not a Democrat has no soul, the man at 50 who is not a Republican has no brain" - it's not a quote I agree with, the author is self confessed staunch conservative, but it highlights the point quite well - as a student you're *supposed* to be left of centre and you're *supposed* to be up in arms (excuse the pun) about *something*.

Northwind has already made my main points more eloquently than I, so I'll just restate them - if you get your way all the time, then that isn't a democracy it's a dictatorship; protecting our freedoms also means protecting the freedom to limit the powers of those whom we task to protect our freedom.

[flymo]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg/240px-Tianasquare.jpg

I think the armed forces in the UK going about normal recruitment activities is a pretty long way away from the photo above and the reasons behind it.

The armed forces in this country are commited to operations based upon our international policies set by government, and based upon decisions that they may take on your behalf.

As mentioned earlier, this is just another example of students looking for something to rebel about. I would bet my house that some of those people will end up serving a rewarding career in those forces too.

[northwind]

Its a joke as the recruiters at Uni will be after otential officers not as i am an other rank soldier. but again they are probably too dumb to realise this.


That wasn't the case at my uni, one of the reasons I'm a bit sympathetic to this idea... Well, not always. When they were at trade/graduate fairs that was true, but when they were just doing the general recruitment show they were specifically targetting uni dropouts or potential dropouts. A mate of mine, Sam (who is now navy btw) was deciding whether or not to resit a year and was actively encouraged not to by the army recruiters- "Why waste time doing more exams?" He joined as an officer trainee or whatever the name is, now he's on submarines I think, the army wanted him and others like him for rank and file though. That's pretty dubious...

[sarah]

That wasn't the case at my uni, one of the reasons I'm a bit sympathetic to this idea... Well, not always. When they were at trade/graduate fairs that was true, but when they were just doing the general recruitment show they were specifically targetting uni dropouts or potential dropouts. A mate of mine, Sam (who is now navy btw) was deciding whether or not to resit a year and was actively encouraged not to by the army recruiters- "Why waste time doing more exams?" He joined as an officer trainee or whatever the name is, now he's on submarines I think, the army wanted him and others like him for rank and file though. That's pretty dubious...

The same thing has been happening is schools in deprived areas too.

[MiniMatt]

Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't directly comparing the two, just making the point that student protests are not exactly a new phenomonen.
Student protests in Tiananmen '89 : Good
Student protests in Tehran '99 : Good
Student protests in Mexico City '68 : Good
Student protests in Manchester '08 : Bad?

Students *should* be protesting about something, regardless of whether or not I believe in their cause I would be deeply concerned if students didn't protest about something, anything. Being a student is all about questioning the status quo, about seeing the world you've inherited and questioning why it should be so, about wanting to make it better. Whether their cause would, in your mind or mine, actually make the world better or not is completely irrelevant - it's the fact that it's being questioned that's the good thing.

[Lozzo]

Being a student is all about questioning the status quo, about seeing the world you've inherited and questioning why it should be so,

Oh, I thought it was about learning and gaining qualifications that would aid you in your choice of career.

[MiniMatt]

Oh, I thought it was about learning and gaining qualifications that would aid you in your choice of career.

Exactly, learning. Learning to think outside the box, learning to have "inquiring minds". That means learning what is already known and encouraging thinking beyond what is known. Otherwise all we'd ever know is all that was ever known before.

[sarah]

The same thing has been happening is schools in deprived areas too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7311917.stm

[DanAbnormal]

Bring back national service I say.

EDIT: I mean, bring IN national service.

[sarah]

Bring back national service I say.

only for boys though

[DanAbnormal]

only for boys though

Agreed. Girls in the Army are crap.

[neio79]

The same thing has been happening is schools in deprived areas too.

Yes but to be fair hisoricly a lot of the infantry and lesss skilled trades in the forces have come from lowere income deprived areas, where to be fair the military had provided an alternative to becoming a crack ***** or a thieving scu*bag destined for a life of crime. It promosies to provide you with accomodation , money and a lot else for your commitment and yes in some cases your life if it should turn out that way. what i am saying is why should the Army or military stop recruiting just because a small group of soap dodging hippys object to it? It will probably give some of these drop outs a better life than they will have with no real qualifications. and in some cases give them a better life than their qualified equivilents.Not that i come from a deprived area, i concider myself quite well educated and could have gone to Uni but chose the Military instead, My particular trade will give me a Masters Degree in Telecommunications all funded by the Army, oh plus the X ammount of years working in the industry as well. Also the Job i am doing at the momment works very closely with the Comms industry and some of the projects will look very good on a CV for an employee cmpared to some litte post grad with their little bit of paper and no experiance in the real world. I currently earn more than all my friends that went to Uni to do various dif degrees, oh and not one of them now work in their respective area.

I would like to point out that nowadays unless you are a complet idiot you know what you are signing up for and know you will go away at some point to a war zone.

Also, none of us sign up for this Queen and contry cr*p, or because we believe in what the government wants us to do. However it isa fact we have to serve as we are told, go where the government sends us even if we dont agree with it. I joined up almost 11 years ago so Iraq and Afgan did not even figure back then. And now well if i wanted to i could leave if i objected that much to what we are doing or diddnt want to do it anymore. I did not agree with the reasons for invading Iraq at all but still when it was my turn to go i went and done the job i had to do. The same wuld be true of anywhere i go on tour.

Its a shame the small minded students blame the Military for the governments f**k ups, We have no choice as unfortunaty they control us much as i would rather the Monarchy have ultimate say over our uses sometimes. After all i took the oath of alligence to the Queen not the government of the time. i wonder how these supposidly well educated individuals can sometimes be so small minded and blinkered in their outlook towards life.

[ukgooner]

I would be interested to see the statistics for the UK military in regard to the following. (I have not got time to do it myself as I am at work)

Peace keeping duties vs. Conflict initiated by HM Government

Say over the last 20 years.

[Lozzo]

Exactly, learning. Learning to think outside the box, learning to have "inquiring minds". That means learning what is already known and encouraging thinking beyond what is known. Otherwise all we'd ever know is all that was ever known before.

Most of the students I've known, and there have been many, spent the majority of their time at uni learning just two things -

a) how to get slaughtered on as little money as possible,

b) how to get laid as much as possible

Granted some went to learn and explore new academic horizons, but the majority saw it as an easy way of getting another 3 years older before getting a proper job. I suspect my middle daughter is somewhere inbetween those two camps - she's certainly managed to acquire a greater tolerance to alcohol since going to Uni but her grades are pretty good.

[neio79]

I would be interested to see the statistics for the UK military in regard to the following. (I have not got time to do it myself as I am at work)

Peace keeping duties vs. Conflict initiated by HM Government

Say over the last 20 years.

depends on how you quantify conflict?? do you count the conflict in the Balkans where we were there to peace keep yet involved in daily fire fights, and Afgan, people seem to forget its actually a humanitarian effort, it was the Yanks who started that one. IFOR is there to help. Again we are getting involved in daily fights though.

NI, well we went there originally to assist the RUC and keep the peace , again we got dragged into conflict.

So really the Falklands and Iraq are thoe only ones you can count, oh sorry cant even count the falklands as it was 25 yrs ago.

so its about 5 years vs 20

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I can't belive this, but I actually agree with neio. I think I need a lie down :p

We have no choice as unfortunaty they control us much as i would rather the Monarchy have ultimate say over our uses sometimes. After all i took the oath of alligence to the Queen not the government of the time.

Technically, the Queen does still control the military. Revolutions tend to be a bit messy though, so hopefully it won't come to her having to launch a crusade against president Brown and his dream of creating the Peoples Socialist Republic of Britain

[sarah]

Technically the Queen controls the government too.

[Lozzo]

IIRC the newly elected Prime Minister has to go and see the Queen to get her permission to form a new government

[MiniMatt]

Most of the students I've known, and there have been many, spent the majority of their time at uni learning just two things -

a) how to get slaughtered on as little money as possible,

b) how to get laid as much as possible

Granted some went to learn and explore new academic horizons, but the majority saw it as an easy way of getting another 3 years older before getting a proper job. I suspect my middle daughter is somewhere inbetween those two camps - she's certainly managed to acquire a greater tolerance to alcohol since going to Uni but her grades are pretty good.

I'm afraid I'm already taken, but I'm sure if your daughter requires any assistance on point b) then someone from the 'org will be available to assist ;)

I dunno, I'm a great believer in education for education's sake. And I believe that we all make use of our education without actually realising it - that ability to see through the "spin" of a politician's statement or questioning the bias of one newspaper's reporting versus another's. That ability to question what is presented to us is something that's encouraged throughout the education system. It's how we both invent new "things" and invent new ways of applying already established knowledge - Archimedes never envisaged you using a breaker bar to undo an engine mounting bolt, and your teachers probably never instructed you to do so either, but you acquired both the knowledge of the status quo and the intelligence to use it in new ways.

[sarah]

I'm a great believer in education for education's sake.

hippy :rolleyes:

[Flamin_Squirrel]

IIRC the newly elected Prime Minister has to go and see the Queen to get her permission to form a new government

Technically the Queen controls the government too.

You're both assuming Brown has any regard for legal or political process.

The way he and his ministers act, I'd suggest he doesn't.

[Lozzo]

I'm afraid I'm already taken, but I'm sure if your daughter requires any assistance on point b) then someone from the 'org will be available to assist ;)


With her looks and figure she has a very wide variety of choice, I'm sure she'll cope without outside help from you or anyone else.

[sarah]

You're both assuming Brown has any regard for legal or political process.

The way he and his ministers act, I'd suggest he doesn't.

that's partly why i said 'technically'.

[Lozzo]

You're both assuming Brown has any regard for legal or political process.

The way he and his ministers act, I'd suggest he doesn't.

I don't think there's any need for a new prime Minister to ask for the Queen's permission if he assumes the role mid-term.

[MiniMatt]

hippy :rolleyes:

Damn right :D Make love not war :D

[Lozzo]

Damn right :D Make love not war :D

That's part of the reason I left the mob, I was never around enough women to keep me happy.

[DanAbnormal]

Technically the Queen controls the government too.

Technically students are at Uni to learn. You see where I'm going? :rolleyes:

[northwind]

I wonder... with the marketing efforts used to sell the army careers these days, how far are we from the US approach? Make a computer game, hang around in strip malls...

On the other hand, being pragmatic, it's not really any wonder the army target lower income areas for infantry rank and file is it? It's a sensible approach.

IIRC the newly elected Prime Minister has to go and see the Queen to get her permission to form a new government

Yup, a power that remains for exactly as long as it doesn't get used ;)

[Bluepete]

Update,
The students want them to come;

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1047737_students_vote_against_army_ban

[eviltwin]

I don't think there's any need for a new prime Minister to ask for the Queen's permission if he assumes the role mid-term.

He must still ask the monarch to exercise his power of dissolution, though....not that said monarch would ever say no.

[Gene genie]

manchester uni HOLD YOUR HEAD HIGH. sorry to harp on about this but credit where its due. students this week voted not to ban the armed forces from campus, you all stood up and were counted, well done i salute you.
just one question though andy cunningham who proposed the motion is a former student so whats it got to do with him anyway? do us all a favour andy and put that education to use and get a job.:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

[northwind]

andy cunningham who proposed the motion is a former student so whats it got to do with him anyway?

Just to be clear, this is some other Andy Cunningham, it's not me. Or that bloke off bodger and badger.