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Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 11:51 AM

Went down the dole office - sorry 'Job Center' this AM for my signing on interview.

Sorry for anyone who has been through this for real/in desperation, if it comes across badly, but for me its all quite an adventure, so I thought I'd share!! :)

Ok, so I had already spent about 40 mins on the phone filling in a questionnaire last week. I had to go over this and then fill in another little booklet :rolleyes: ... I then had my interview to elicit a bit more info from me and to explain the process and what was expected from me.

We went through bits like the sort of jobs I'd be seeking, I went on to say "well, I am at a bit of a cross roads at the mo, I could go for the same but different job to what I had, I thought about going into teaching, I even thought about starting my own business ... I am actually in the process of doing some work experience at a school and will be there tomorrow in fact .." .. she then kinda stopped me mid-flow and said "I am asking what jobs could you do right now? ... we are here to find you a job, not aid your career search/decisions" :smt079... although a bit depressing they are not interested in seeing me in a happy working career, you can see that view really can't you! 8-[

We then went on about availability for work .. I said, "yep available, but as I alluded to a min ago, I am actually doing the classroom experience" She said, you have to be available for work, so you can't do more than 15hrs a week training like that. ... :scratch: ... ... I said "So its fine for me to just sit at home on my behind watching daytime telly for >15hrs week, but I can't do work experience/training that might give lead to a career" .. "That's right, if you want to claim JSA, you have to be available for work" ... I mean what can you say!! ](*,)

Anyway, there were a few other smack head on table comments/rules like that but I am sure I am boring you a bit now .. but I think you are getting the picture ... ;)

Now for the hard work I gotta do to get my JSA ... I gotta apply for 2 jobs a week to get my JSA ... my contribution based (i.e as I have paid in all these years) JSA is ?60 ... so to my mind, that means if it takes 2hr to find and fill in the application that I am essentially getting paid ?15/hr to fill in application forms ... which lets face it, I'd have been doing anyway!! :grin:

So basically I am getting paid £240/month, for 8hrs work ... oh, plus going down the dole office once a fortnight for a check-up .. but that is ok, its a nice cycle ride down there and I can look for tat round town after! :smt040

So its a fairly easy ride at the start 8) .. however after 8 weeks, things get a bit nasty ... basically I am allowed to apply for jobs I WANT at his point ... come 8 weeks, I go back in and if I haven't found work by then, they then find me any suitable job ... I asked her to define 'suitable' .. she said "Anything you are capable of doing" ... I said, "well I can clean bogs, and/or stack shelves" but that's not really utalising my skill base to the max .. she said "this is Job Seekers, not career seekers ... we are here to make you employed" ... to be fair she has a point!! 8-[ But in reality, dumping me in any old job means that I won't have time to find a career .. but again, that is MY problem, not theirs I suppose ...

So to my mind, I'll ride it out for 8 weeks, and pocket the £480 ... then I'll probably withdraw or go for the jobs they offer me and completely fail the interview on purpose!! .. at the end of the day, how can they stop you being bad in an interview?!!? ... to be fair, I won't have to try and be bad in an interview, I'm a natural!! :mrgreen:

So that was the dole office, so back out into the sunshine again ... 8)

Next I went to the council offices seeing if I could get money off my council tax ... short answer, NO as I have money ... disappointing or what

pmapp

01-05-08, 11:58 AM

:-)

http://www.leagueofgentlemen.co.uk/paulinewallpapers.jpg

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 12:03 PM

:-)

http://www.leagueofgentlemen.co.uk/paulinewallpapers.jpg

I spoke to 2 ladies whilst I was there, and the first one had an uncanny resemblance :shock: :D

maff

01-05-08, 12:08 PM

im going through the same thing. only im getting 60.50 a week and have to at least apply for 6 jobs within the two weeks between going to the jobbie.

iv applied for a total of ten so far, no luck on any of them at the mo, couple of jobs iv been told are on hold.

ok,yes jobseekers are there to get you back into work but i want to do what i want to do. i dont want to end up cleaning bogs till something comes along. theres a possibility of a driving job in bristol,good money and good hours so im hoping that 'might' come off but if get offered something in the mean time...what do i do? aah its all to much...:rolleyes:

Fizzy Fish

01-05-08, 12:14 PM

"That's right, if you want to claim JSA, you have to be available for work" ... I mean what can you say!! ](*,)

sounds pretty fair to me. i mean WTF should other people pay for your living costs if you're not even trying to find a job?

I know you're trying to get into the teaching thing, but i've done some pretty rubbish fill-in jobs in my life and i don't really see why you shouldnt do the same.

'Dole' isn't supposed to be an entitlement to some time off to decide where you're going with your life, it's a safety net to keep people going when they're unable to work to support themselves.

sorry for the rant but i'm really getting sick of the number of freeloaders in this country, and you're starting to sound that way in your post...

tonyk

01-05-08, 12:17 PM

i have to do this :pukel: and :smt022 before i go to work..............
even thought of :crutches:i would like to do :smt073but i need the money for wife, kids, house....
one day i'll get a better job...soon i hope..
so i stay in this job till...

gettin2dizzy

01-05-08, 12:20 PM

'Dole' isn't supposed to be an entitlement to some time off to decide where you're going with your life, it's a safety net to keep people going when they're unable to work to support themselves.

sorry for the rant but i'm really getting sick of the number of freeloaders in this country, and you're starting to sound that way in your post...
:thumbsup:

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 12:27 PM

sounds pretty fair to me. i mean WTF should other people pay for your living costs if you're not even trying to find a job?

I know you're trying to get into the teaching thing, but i've done some pretty rubbish fill-in jobs in my life and i don't really see why you shouldnt do the same.

'Dole' isn't supposed to be an entitlement to some time off to decide where you're going with your life, it's a safety net to keep people going when they're unable to work to support themselves.

sorry for the rant but i'm really getting sick of the number of freeloaders in this country, and you're starting to sound that way in your post...

My point is that not only will I be applying for jobs (I would have anyway, but it is part of the JSA agreement I do so) but I am actively doing something about getting a job during some of the rest of the time whilst they are being processed!! ... the irony is that due to the rules, they would prefer me to sit on my behind than spend the rest of the week doing work experience. Can you not see how stupid that is?? ... Especially after pointing out as my work experience is voluntary, if a job interview or actual job came up, I am not locked in to doing the voluntary stuff so it doesn't impair the main goal ... its ludicrous isn't it?!?! :scratch:

I can assure you after putting tens of thousands of pounds into the 'pot' for others over the years, with no say in how it is distributed, I for one am VERY bitter about having paid masses of money into the 'pot' ...

I am actually doing this for a few reasons. One is to ensure my NI is paid whilst I am out of work. Another is after paying so much in I 'want something back' for a change and lets face it, I'll take the ?‚£240/month, wouldn't you?!?!! ;) You have to remember, the money they are giving me in one hand like that they are taking with the other, my council tax is about half that by itself and I still have to pay that!! :cry: Also do you really think the final half will feed me, pay my mortgage and all the bills ... I think not!! ... rember there are some people out there that can live off the benefits they are given they get so much ....

Oh and finally, I'm doing it under simple curiosity ;)

You telling me you wouldn't be curious?!? 8-[

As I said, having spent so much time on the other side and being stung by every sort of tax going, the majority of which goes toward OTHERS, I am very bitter about the whole thing! ...

So tell me, I am only taking what I am entitled to (its contribution based remember) .. why is that so wrong?!!? ;)

Fizzy Fish

01-05-08, 12:28 PM

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 12:35 PM

don't get me wrong, i'm all for people changing careers if they find them selves in the wrong job/field. But why not work to fund your way though the training, etc, or take a career development loan that's paid back when you're earning again?

once again - it is not an entitlement, it's a safety net.

Ok, I didn't make it clear/have never said, I have been (and am going to be) applying for jobs in my 'field', but as you can appreciate, that is a slow process whilst they shuffle the paperwork and it is a bit of a niche field of expertise, so not like there are 5,000 jobs a day ;) So that is on the burner, but whilst it is in the pot simmering, I have also been investigating other options. I am using this as a potential to take a new direction, but not abandoning where I 'am'.

Oh and as for entitlement, sorry, my JSA is contribution based, I am entitled to it :smt019

glade

01-05-08, 12:38 PM

missyburd

01-05-08, 12:45 PM

we are here to find you a job, not aid your career search/decisions"

. "That's right, if you want to claim JSA, you have to be available for work" ... I mean what can you say!! ](*,)

.. she said "this is Job Seekers, not career seekers ... we are here to make you employed" ...

She sounds like a right battleaxe! But she seems more bothered about you getting out of her hair as opposed to Pauline :lol:

I don't like the idea of them sorting out anything after a few weeks of trying for yourself, what would be the point if you hated it, quit and just had to go back to them again! :confused:

glade

01-05-08, 12:45 PM

though i do see what you are doing... but my pride dictates that i'd find something to tie me over until the proper job came up rather than signing on.

If you don't mind me asking, why are you out of work... redundancy?

blueto

01-05-08, 12:46 PM

portsmouth football club are taking on litter pickers?

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 12:51 PM

Don't want to sound like an ****.... but come on man! You appear to have a good standard of English and if you're able bodied you should be out there working! I agree with fizzy fish - its a safetynet for those who are really screwed, not an intermediary handout for those choosing a career.

Surely you could get work as a Teaching assistant or something. You could even get a part time job in McDonalds/asda with hours to fit around the work experience you have already arranged.

I personally have never had problems finding part time work, and have never belived that **** jobs like bog scrubbing are beneath me - i'd rather scrub out a builder's ****ter than live on handouts.

At school i worked for McD's, at uni i had an awesome job at a car auction driving the motors around and some bar work. Between uni and my proper career (Manufacturing Engineer) i did breakdown call centre (suprisingly rewarding), warehouse painting, warehouse stock counts, scrubbing bogs for a portakabin rental place. Theres loads of temporary jobs out there and its not all drivel either.

Dude, ?60/week isn't going to touch the sides, as I said, I pay half of that in council tax a week alone!! ;) I can't live off it!! :( But it is nice to get a little something to ease the burden!! :)

So where is the rest of the cash coming from?!!? ... well feck me, I have worked hard and been wise enough to save enough 'rainy day' money to see me by for a while without the need for a part time/stand-in job .. I have a choice, eat into that or get a temp job ... at the mo I am choosing to eat into it ... at the end of the day I have been unemployed for the whole of 2.5 days now, things aren't THAT desperate (yet :oops: )!! :D

I've had jobs since I was 12? and had my first paper round, had weekend jobs though my education too .. I have never been GIVEN anything in my life ... my parents didn't even give me pocket money - to teach me the value of money and working for it!! ....

I don't need lectures on the value of money or having to work for it thanks!! :rolleyes:

Gazza77

01-05-08, 12:55 PM

So tell me, I am only taking what I am entitled to (its contribution based remember) .. why is that so wrong?!!? ;)

This is the problem with the system. Yes, you are entitled to it. However, so are other people claiming the same benefit, who have no intention of getting a job. Just because you are entitled to it, doesn't mean that most people will agree that you should be.

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 12:58 PM

This is the problem with the system. Yes, you are entitled to it. However, so are other people claiming the same benefit, who have no intention of getting a job. Just because you are entitled to it, doesn't mean that most people will agree that you should be.

I'd argue that as I paid in, I should have more right to it than someone that has never worked a day in their life and don't intend to, don't you?!? ;)

Gazza77

01-05-08, 01:04 PM

I'd argue that as I paid in, I should have <B>more </B>right to it than someone that has never worked a day in their life and don't intend to, don't you?!? <IMG class=inlineimg title=Wink alt="" src="images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" border=0 smilieid="4">

I agree, you have more right. I'd also claim the same in your position. That doesn't mean that you (or I or anyone else in theory) should be able to claim when paid employment is available that we would be capable of doing, just that we can.

Flamin_Squirrel

01-05-08, 01:08 PM

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 01:12 PM

I agree, you have more right. I'd also claim the same in your position. That doesn't mean that you (or I or anyone else in theory) should be able to claim when paid employment is available that we would be capable of doing, just that we can.

I totally agree and it is what has made me so furious from the other side for so long!! :smt092

The whole benefits system piddles me off ... but what do you 'do'?!?! :(

Messie

01-05-08, 01:19 PM

Go get a job in a school, Teaching Assistant, learning support, caretaker. You'd fit in well with the kids "It's not fair", " someone else should do it for", "not my responsibility" "I want to be treated better than anyone else", whinge whinge, moan, moan

No, second thoughts don't! I don't think you have the right attitude for teaching. Leave us alone

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 01:20 PM

Baph

01-05-08, 01:20 PM

As quite a few on the .Org know, I've been in a similar situation to Blue.

I decided one day in the office that enough was enough, and I was leaving. I had a chat with my boss, and his boss, and left immediately. It was a lovely sunny day too!!

I had enough money to tide me over for a while, and it was a cracking life. I chose not to sign on the 'dole' & just spend time with the family. However, for the 4 months I was 'a man of leisure' I also didn't pay NI contributions. I figure that 4 months out of a life time is nothing, so over the spread of things, it won't affect pension etc.

Blue, personally, I agree with you. You're entitled to it, and it'll ease the burden, whilst also getting NI paid. Go for it.

However, I think this thread was started more with a view to comment on the atrocious aspects of the JobSeekers system.

Flamin_Squirrel

01-05-08, 01:21 PM

Gazza77

01-05-08, 01:22 PM

I don't think someone such as blue should be forced into a position where he has to accept rubbish work. Even putting asside the contribution side, both blue and the government will be better off if he gets a better paid job in a month than a rubbish one tomorrow.

I quite agree. What I personally disagree with is being able to claim benefit whilst turning down paid employment of any sort. It should be a choice, look for work you want to do without benefits or claim benefit until you find any available paid work. However, that isn't the system that we are working with, so no reason Blue shouldn't claim, as that is the system we have.

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 01:26 PM

What aload of rubbish. If you think that's what blue is saying you've completely missed the point.

You'll always get your haters!! ... :D

Gazza77

01-05-08, 01:29 PM

I totally agree and it is what has made me so furious from the other side for so long!! :smt092

The whole benefits system piddles me off ... but what do you 'do'?!?! :(

Great minds think alike. :D Just don't say "if you can't beat em, join me" :rolleyes:

Messie

01-05-08, 01:39 PM

You know next to nothing about me. Please do not make sweeping assumptions

Flamin_Squirrel

01-05-08, 01:42 PM

I'd say someone with Messies temperament and intolerance would make for a shocking teacher too ..

You know next to nothing about me. Please do not make sweeping assumptions

Do you not think that's a bit hypocritical considering you just compared blue to a whining child?

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 01:44 PM

I'd say someone with Messies temperament and intolerance would make for a shocking teacher too ..

You know next to nothing about me. Please do not make sweeping assumptions

I see and how much do/did you know about me before making your witticism ?!!? Ahhh .. the irony!! :smt040

glade

01-05-08, 01:55 PM

I don't need lectures on the value of money or having to work for it thanks!! :rolleyes:

Don't post contraversial threads and expect everyone to agree? ;)

My comment is just my 2p, take it how you will.

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 02:09 PM

Don't post contraversial threads and expect everyone to agree? ;)

My comment is just my 2p, take it how you will.

I wouldn't have posted it here if I didn't want peoples thoughts ;) and I KNEW there would be haters as I have been so disgruntled on the other side for so long myself as I said, I have been/am very bitter about paying into the pot. There are/were bound to be people as passionate about it as I am and 'sound off' .. doesn't mean I can't give them an e-slap back and point out reality!!!! ;)

SoulKiss

01-05-08, 02:11 PM

[quote=Blue_SV650S;1496382 and I KNEW there would be haters [/quote]

You use crass, grammatically incorrect Americanisms and hope to teach the children of our nation.......

Oh well I suppose someone has to convert the Youth into Yoof

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 02:28 PM

You use crass, grammatically incorrect Americanisms and hope to teach the children of our nation.......

Oh well I suppose someone has to convert the Youth into Yoof

Yep, I know quite a few swear words and euphemisms too, I can be quite rude and smutty as well as crass and use incorrect grammar if I feel like it ... guess my heart is impure. :cry:

Just one question, do you speak to your parents the same as you do your mates? Your mates the same as you do your kids? Your kids the same as you do your Boss?? Your boss the same as you do your lover?!?! ;)

I could have said all that in one word really ... Diction! ;)

01-05-08, 02:33 PM

I'm with Blue on this one.

His JSA is contribution-based. He has worked for it, paid the contributions, satisfies the qualification criteria and is therefore entitled to it - whether he needs it or not. I don't believe in all this safety net stuff, it isn't a discretionary payment, and we have way gone past the old Poor Law.

Having paid through the nose for years, why shouldn't he?? Anyway think how much of it will go straight back to the government in VAT or other taxes.

Camel

01-05-08, 02:37 PM

Well Blue, I am quite interested in your experience....for several reasons.

1) If you were Polish / Khazakstani / whatever, you would get an interpreter, and your paperwork filled in your you, and told EXACTLY what you can get.
As a national, who has spent their whole life contributing, you get interrogated. This, in my opinion, is fundamentally wrong.

2) I think you are entitled to claim personally. You contributed, why not claim. Although, I persoanlly would have decided what career I want to do, then try to get into it, not spending too much time unemployed. But you do your thing, you are entitled to. You know what you have to live on, what savings you have etc etc.

3) (Slightly off topic here) My brother died recently. My sister in law had to go to one of these chav infested places to start processing paperwork regarding benefits also. She said it was a horrible experience - and she is along way from being posh / snobbish.

Anyway, good luck with the future career!

SoulKiss

01-05-08, 02:48 PM

Yep, I know quite a few swear words and euphemisms too, I can be quite rude and smutty as well as crass and use incorrect grammar if I feel like it ... guess my heart is impure. :cry:

Just one question, do you speak to your parents the same as you do your mates? Your mates the same as you do your kids? Your kids the same as you do your Boss?? Your boss the same as you do your lover?!?! ;)

I could have said all that in one word really ... Diction! ;)

Well I am a computer programmer and I cant even close a forum BBS quote correctly, so what hope is there for me :D

I also forgot a couple of smilies in there too....... :smt089

Fizzy Fish

01-05-08, 03:12 PM

Don't post contraversial threads and expect everyone to agree? ;)

My comment is just my 2p, take it how you will.

+1 :lol:

My sister in law had to go to one of these chav infested places to start processing paperwork regarding benefits also. She said it was a horrible experience.

As it happens this is something i agree with you on - i went to one once and it was a v. depressing place. The receptionist left me waiting for ages before putting down her nail file & the phone she was gossiping to her mate on to let me know that i was actually supposed to take a ticket instead of just waiting.

The person who 'served' me wasn't mcuh better - they knew nothing about my line of work and since they didn;t have what I do as an option on their system they showed me jobs that they thought were the same but weren't. Thankfully i never needed to claim any money cos i was lucky enough to find a job myself almost right away, but i def feel for anyone who has to go there regularly, cos it isn't really that motivating or helpful!

I do still stick by the point about us all having a duty to support ourselves if at all possible though ;)

glade

01-05-08, 03:48 PM

I wouldn't have posted it here if I didn't want peoples thoughts ;) and I KNEW there would be haters as I have been so disgruntled on the other side for so long myself as I said, I have been/am very bitter about paying into the pot. There are/were bound to be people as passionate about it as I am and 'sound off' .. doesn't mean I can't give them an e-slap back and point out reality!!!! ;)

Truth be told, if i got made redundant tomorrow i may start thinking i'm entitled. :D

But at the moment... up here in my ivory tower I'll stick with the view that everyone should work if they're not physically or mentally disabled. I would endevour to get a temp job while applying to other places... maybe i've been lucky in the past, but i genuinely have never had a problem finding something straight away, so given that experience I form my opinions.

Razor

01-05-08, 04:03 PM

Get a job you layabout.

Rich

01-05-08, 04:07 PM

I've got another thought, are you getting paid the same as all the other benefit cheats? (not aimed at you blue) If so thats sh!t, you've worked since 12 built up a career and now you find yourself out of work for whatever reason and your only getting the same money as them. Surely the more you work the more you should be entitled to, almost like building up your pension i suppose. Your bound to have more outgoings than a 20 year old whos known nothing except living off £60 a week. We're all getting robbed i tell ye!!

TheStudent

01-05-08, 04:38 PM

"PERSONALLY.....(This a forum after all, discussion, oppinions etc......)"

From what i've read, people are biting at you Blue because they think you're taking advantage of a system that is just a safety net, and good for them/us. Just because you qualify on paper doesn't mean it's there for the taking. I thought this system was for people who need money because they "can't" find work? You may be qualified on paper to take it, but morally you don't deserve it if you chose to give up work, then put your hand out?

How many times have you complained about the taxes you pay, for petrol (general tax example) especially given this is petrolhead forum, remember that next time you pick your cheque up! You don't come across as a layabout but you are taking advantage of the same system as these type of people, costing every tax payer more each year!

What makes you any better than anyone else that has to suffer in a poor job to pay bills while they look elsewhere for work? Do you spend your days off M-F 9-5 considering options for work i wonder?

http://www.dsdni.gov.uk/index/ssa/benefit_information/a-z_of_benefits/jobseekers_allowance_gbi/jobseekers_allowance_general_info.htm

Figuring out what to do in life isn't in the listed criteria here.....

No offence mate, quite an interesting debate! ;)

Wayluya

01-05-08, 04:47 PM

If Benefit Scrounging is OK for the Royal Family then fair enuf for anyone else.....grab wot yer can.....they will only waste it on something else anyway......and I mean this in a Capitalist Free Market kinda way - NOT in a lefty nanny state manner :rolleyes:

Apart from the Beer money, also a good idea to keep yer Stamp up to date, a few months here and there over the years do add up.

I am guessing they do have a few tricks to stop folk deliberately b#ggering up interviews - yer may need to be inventive........But you may be in the right place for help on that one :clown:.........and if they were that bright would not be working for the Govt....most of the folk in the Dole office are probably receiving benefits themselves.:)

Me? I don't take anything from HMG. :smt008

Flamin_Squirrel

01-05-08, 05:26 PM

How many times have you complained about the taxes you pay, for petrol (general tax example) especially given this is petrolhead forum, remember that next time you pick your cheque up! You don't come across as a layabout but you are taking advantage of the same system as these type of people, costing every tax payer more each year!

What makes you any better than anyone else that has to suffer in a poor job to pay bills while they look elsewhere for work? Do you spend your days off M-F 9-5 considering options for work i wonder?

I reckon that if tax was cut by half, meaning all the money the government takes each year, that little would change in terms of public services. They'd no longer be able to pretend that thousands of civil servants weren't completely useless and did nothing to serve the public and would be sacked. They wouldn't be able to waste billions on a one off sporting event in the **** end of London, and so on.

Money gets spent most efficiently when you don't have much of it.

Therefore, I feel that the utter raping my pay cheque gets every month, and subsequently when ever I buy anything there after is an outrage. I'd guess Blue feels the same. He's been presented with an opportunity to get some of that money back, and I can't honestly see why anyone would object to this.

In fact, if everyone did it, then perhaps the government would have to rethink handing benefits out like confetti.

TheStudent

01-05-08, 05:35 PM

He's been presented with an opportunity to get some of that money back, and I can't honestly see why anyone would object to this.

This isn't a "cashback" situation, it's a "I can't be bothered to work at the mo but no worries, the government will throw some my way".

In fact, if everyone did it, then perhaps the government would have to rethink handing benefits out like confetti.

...to people that can't be bothered to work while they figure out what they want in life you mean?

Flamin_Squirrel

01-05-08, 06:03 PM

This isn't a "cashback" situation, it's a "I can't be bothered to work at the mo but no worries, the government will throw some my way".

...to people that can't be bothered to work while they figure out what they want in life you mean?

Cash back perhaps, but nothing to do with not being bothered to work. After years of being screwed, it's simply a way of recouping some of the money, nothing to do with laziness.

TheStudent

01-05-08, 06:14 PM

Cash back perhaps, but nothing to do with not being bothered to work. After years of being screwed, it's simply a way of recouping some of the money, nothing to do with laziness.

My appologies for implying laziness, i don't have the right nor evidence.

However, the same thing is being done as those who are just lazy, imorrally taking advantage of the same weak system for personal gain. Yes it is legal what he is doing, but principally wrong! Figuring out what to do in life isn't too much different from sitting around doing not much!

We pay taxes for good reason, that's why he have tarmac roads (and effin speed cameras unfortunately, bad example :S), a 999 system, schools etc. It is not a savings account to be withdrawn from at any time! Save your own money and live a life of leisure from that, don't withdraw from my hard earned and paid tax! Because that you paid in previous years isn't sitting waiting, some of you seem to think that makes benefit... "abuse"? ....ok. It has already been spent on hospitals you may have sat in, or police wages, the guys you can call when in trouble! (Expensive political dinners too granted but that will always be the way!).

Get a job man! :)

Blue_SV650S

01-05-08, 06:21 PM

Well I am a computer programmer and I cant even close a forum BBS quote correctly, so what hope is there for me :D

To be technically correct, you never OPENED it correctly/at all ;) :lol:

..

Anyway. :lol: It is clear to see there is a pretty big divide here, with plenty of people firmly in either camp ... some (as always) with one toe in each!! :D

Its a great debate topic isn't it :) and as I said, the whole thing to me is like a little adventure at the mo ...

But you have to remember I AM unemployed, why should some scabby lowlife who has never worked a day in his life get benefits under these conditions if I can't? Why is he more valuable to society than I?? :scratch: .. think about it, prejudice aside coz I am a bit of a tool at times, who would you rather see perish?!!? ;)

To be fair, I could get very depressed about being unemployed and I have bouts of panic attacks realising that I am. It is all very new to me right now so a combination of being a bit scary and a bit exciting 8)

I have already tried to state it before, but it seems to have been lost in the weeds. Although floundering over which path I will take, I AM actively seeking work and have several pans in the fire at this very moment!! :rolleyes: Hopefully it'll come to a head soon!??! ... Also you have to remember, I have only been unemployed 3 days. I AM 90% supporting myself out of my OWN pocket, from money I f-ing earned and had the right of mind to put to one side, not simply p1ss up the wall like those lowlives you so want to support. :rolleyes: I got my last pay packet yesterday .. I paid more than 10 times what I am getting this week out of my LAST pay packet alone ... that is like YESTERDAY I gave the gov 10 times what they are giving me (20 times if you include the council tax they are taking away again) !! and you are trying to make me feel guilty for doing/taking it ... I am sorry, I show no remorse , just the opposite, I see it as partial justice!! ;)

Flamin_Squirrel

01-05-08, 06:42 PM

My appologies for implying laziness, i don't have the right nor evidence.

However, the same thing is being done as those who are just lazy, imorrally taking advantage of the same weak system for personal gain. Yes it is legal what he is doing, but principally wrong! Figuring out what to do in life isn't too much different from sitting around doing not much!

We pay taxes for good reason, that's why he have tarmac roads (and effin speed cameras unfortunately, bad example :S), a 999 system, schools etc. It is not a savings account to be withdrawn from at any time! Save your own money and live a life of leisure from that, don't withdraw from my hard earned and paid tax! Because that you paid in previous years isn't sitting waiting, some of you seem to think that makes benefit... "abuse"? ....ok. It has already been spent on hospitals you may have sat in, or police wages, the guys you can call when in trouble! (Expensive political dinners too granted but that will always be the way!).

Get a job man! :)

I fear you're missing the point.

The government robs more money from us than it should and wastes it. Blue is simply taking back some of what quite frankly should have been his money in the first place.

01-05-08, 09:48 PM

...people are biting at you Blue because they think you're taking advantage of a system that is just a safety net, and good for them/us. Just because you qualify on paper doesn't mean it's there for the taking. I thought this system was for people who need money because they "can't" find work? You may be qualified on paper to take it, but morally you don't deserve it if you chose to give up work, then put your hand out?

Praps when you've paid as much as Blue has in tax, and when you've seen it all frittered away, you might have a different view. I feel exactly the same as my friend on the south coast, for exactly the same reasons.

If the system is there for people who 'can't' find work then I guess there would be far fewer claimants. There are many, I think, who could find work if only they were arsed to do so.

TheStudent

01-05-08, 10:48 PM

I fear you're missing the point.

The government robs more money from us than it should and wastes it. Blue is simply taking back some of what quite frankly should have been his money in the first place.

](*,)Nevermind lol. Cats and dogs! ;)

Hope it all works out for you either way dude! :)

Fizzy Fish

02-05-08, 07:38 AM

If the system is there for people who 'can't' find work then I guess there would be far fewer claimants. There are many, I think, who could find work if only they were arsed to do so.

Absolutely. I watched a programme on immigration recently, and it was looking at the Lincolnshire farming areas. Locals were moaning that the Poles were coming in and "taking all the jobs" etc and yet the reality was that the farmers were having to actively recruit from outside the area/UK as noone would do the work. Pay was actually reasonably good for unskilled labour, but it just seemed too much like hard work.

Now I'm not saying that they should necessarily do this kind of work forever. But interestingly what none of them were seeing is that any job presents an opportunity to demonstrate that you're reliable, capable, motivated, can get along with others, etc - and if you've held down a job recently then you're more likely to get a shot at the one that you do want to do.

Not that long ago there was no Welfare State, and if you didn't work you didn't eat. I just get frustrated by the increasing number of people who forget this and think the govt owes them a living.

Not lumping Blue in here btw, but that's why i feel that it should be made clear to those claiming JSA that they are required to make some serious effort to find a job, and if it becomes necessary, to take something that isn't what they'd ideally like to do.

PS. Blue I hope stuff does work out for you btw

Gazza77

02-05-08, 08:02 AM

If the system is there for people who 'can't' find work then I guess there would be far fewer claimants. There are many, I think, who could find work if only they were arsed to do so.

:winner:

Ceri JC

02-05-08, 08:27 AM

I know you're trying to get into the teaching thing, but i've done some pretty rubbish fill-in jobs in my life and i don't really see why you shouldnt do the same.

+1. I've worked cleaning bogs before now, during gaps in training for my career. Besides, I'd say 8 weeks is a rather generous grace period, which when you think about it is actually 300 working hours of actively looking for jobs. Should be plenty to find something that even if it isn't ideal, at least is something to do with the job you ultimately want to do, or that utilizes your skills.

Now I'm not saying that they should necessarily do this kind of work forever. But interestingly what none of them were seeing is that any job presents an opportunity to demonstrate that you're reliable, capable, motivated, can get along with others, etc - and if you've held down a job recently then you're more likely to get a shot at the one that you do want to do.

Yes, a reference from my (technically completely unrelated) previous job gardening was a significant factor in my getting my first IT job. Employers are understandably reluctanct to take people who have been long-term unemployed without a real reason (injury, etc.) for having not worked, particularly in areas with a surfeit of jobs. It might be a job sweeping the streets, but at least it shows you can turn up to work on time, follow instructions, not get people's backs up too much, etc..