CBT/DAS Couse in Reading. What bike for a new rider?

[metalmonkey]

Hey my sister now wants a bike, just awesome:thumbsup:

First off I need to know of a place where she can go in Reading or near by to learn. I want the best instructor's I want to know she will be safe out there on the road. (big bro looking out for her)

Okay should she go staight for DAS or buy a 125 and ride that for a few months then test, around August?

I was thinking of a CBR 125, nice little bike they are quick enough and are good bikes.

Let me know your thought on this. Someone where to get the cbt done. I may have some gear that I'll give her if it fits.

[yorkie_chris]

I just bought a cagiva planet for Missyc, the CBR125 is dull by comparison to any of the 2-smokes

[pencil shavings]

Whooo 2 smokes baby!!

get the RS125!! :D

then.....

clean it, rag it, blow it up, rebuild it, the cycle starts again!! :smt077

[Sideshow#36]

Whooo 2 smokes baby!!

get the RS125!! :D

then.....

clean it, rag it, blow it up, rebuild it, the cycle starts again!! :smt077

Definately... you arent a real biker until you have owned/blown up/re-build an RS125..... FACT!

Try lightning in Reading Chris. Thats where the wife did hers and she couldnt speak highly enough of them.

[olden mgroin]

don't know about any instuctors in reading i'm from wales, but can recommend the cbr 125 as a learner bike. i had one for a year nice little bike, it 's great for commuting and will get you to 80mph with the wind behind you. if you do decide to get one check it's not an import they have a different ignition coil to european bikes and you'll have to change it.


tell your sis good luck on the cbt/das whichever and be safe!!! :thumbsup:

[Sideshow#36]

Here you go bud. http://www.lightningpass.com/jkcm/

[yorkie_chris]

they have a different ignition coil to european bikes and you'll have to change it.

Out of curiosity, why?

[olden mgroin]

something to do with the fact that in winter we have a lot more salt on the roads and the coil can corrode, that's what honda told me anyway.

[yorkie_chris]

Part of a jap bike corroding in winter? Fancy that!?!

How is the "uk specced" coil made immune to 6 months of salt and wet then? :-P

[pencil shavings]

Part of a jap bike corroding in winter? Fancy that!?!

How is the "uk specced" coil made immune to 6 months of salt and wet then? :-P

only 6 months of salt and wet? you must live in a different UK to me! :D

[olden mgroin]

your guess is as good as mine yorkie.:eek:

[sinbad]

Big bikes aren't really any harder to ride/operate are they? And there's no rule stating that you have to go for a fast or big bike once you've passed a DAS or that that is the end of your formal training.
The best thing about DAS is that you have some intense tuition and days of observed riding. Going out on a 125 after just a cbt on your own is not wise in my opinion.

I think every rider should do DAS if they can afford it, and then make a sensible decision on what bike to get proper experience with.

[Sideshow#36]

Big bikes aren't really any harder to ride/operate are they? And there's no rule stating that you have to go for a fast or big bike once you've passed a DAS or that that is the end of your formal training.
The best thing about DAS is that you have some intense tuition and days of observed riding. Going out on a 125 after just a cbt on your own is not wise in my opinion.

I think every rider should do DAS if they can afford it, and then make a sensible decision on what bike to get proper experience with.

Totally disagree. DAS is done on a poxy 45bhp bike and you are telling me that after just 4 days on one of those you can go and ride a 2008 ZX10R!!! I think the restricted way is muc better, even though it is a little annoying. I got a scooter at 16. Did my test at 17 and got an RS125. Had that for 18 months until it blew up one time too many! Then I got the restricted SV and 6 months later de restricted it and hey presto.

Sorry but born agains are prime example of this. This isnt a dig by the way. But buying a thou after passing your test on a 500 is just plain stupid. I am one of the few who actually agrees with the new test. I even think they should bring in a similar idea for cars. How many 17yr olds do you see buying a scooby etc. with daddys money and binning it. :rolleyes:

[pencil shavings]

Totally disagree. DAS is done on a poxy 45bhp bike and you are telling me that after just 4 days on one of those you can go and ride a 2008 ZX10R!!! I think the restricted way is muc better, even though it is a little annoying. I got a scooter at 16. Did my test at 17 and got an RS125. Had that for 18 months until it blew up one time too many! Then I got the restricted SV and 6 months later de restricted it and hey presto.

Sorry but born agains are prime example of this. This isnt a dig by the way. But buying a thou after passing your test on a 500 is just plain stupid. I am one of the few who actually agrees with the new test. I even think they should bring in a similar idea for cars. How many 17yr olds do you see buying a scooby etc. with daddys money and binning it. :rolleyes:


+1

did my CBT (but had riden bikes before)
got my RS125 for 2 years
then the DRZ400e
then the SV650S

I think a gradual progession is best. Even after riding for a good few years it was still a power shock getting on the SV compared to what I had riden before.

What ever route she takes, as long as she is safe and sensible untill shes confident, then what ever suits her best :thumbsup:

[sinbad]

Totally disagree. DAS is done on a poxy 45bhp bike and you are telling me that after just 4 days on one of those you can go and ride a 2008 ZX10R!!! I think the restricted way is muc better, even though it is a little annoying. I got a scooter at 16. Did my test at 17 and got an RS125. Had that for 18 months until it blew up one time too many! Then I got the restricted SV and 6 months later de restricted it and hey presto.

Sorry but born agains are prime example of this. This isnt a dig by the way. But buying a thou after passing your test on a 500 is just plain stupid. I am one of the few who actually agrees with the new test. I even think they should bring in a similar idea for cars. How many 17yr olds do you see buying a scooby etc. with daddys money and binning it. :rolleyes:

Second sentence of your post totally flies in the face of what I actually wrote.

By bigger bikes, I didn't mean, or even come close to saying "BIG 1000cc sports bikes".

Secondly, final sentence of my post:
"I think every rider should do DAS if they can afford it, and then make a sensible decision on what bike to get proper experience with."

It's the decision to ride a ZX-10r that will get you killed, not that you are qualified to ride one!!!!

I'm sorry, but your post has annoyed me a tad :)

Let's get one thing straight. I don't agree with ppl getting on fast fast bikes after DAS. But there are plenty of ways to get dead on a bike that do not involve excessive input from the right hand, I'm sure we'll all agree. That is why riding on your own after just a couple of hours is (to my mind) ludicrous.
Better to have several days of observed riding. You don't HAVE to get a fast bike afterwards.

[chris8886]

if she wants to do and pass her test before the new rules then i would say do cbt and then DAS, beacuse if she can get a test in august at all and then fails there's no way i think she'd get another one before october and the new rules!

i myself did my cbt then my proper test (on a 125 because i was under 21) and then got my sv and have it restricted. mainly because i couldn't really afford to buy a 125 and ride for a while first. on top of that i think that it could have then been a problem doing my full test because you'll be doing 'real world riding' instead of pass your test riding. resulting in struggleing to pass my test. which in my opinion are really quite different.

i agree with what people have said about being restricted first, but in this situation i'd get the DAS done asap and be very sensible about the choice of bike. you could even restrict it to 33bhp and do some extra training and when ready take the restrictors out.

[Sideshow#36]

The best thing about DAS is that you have some intense tuition and days of observed riding. Going out on a 125 after just a cbt on your own is not wise in my opinion.

I think every rider should do DAS if they can afford it, and then make a sensible decision on what bike to get proper experience with.

OK so what is the difference between the DAS test, (over 21) and the test I did on a 125? There is no difference apart from the bikes. They are both "intense" :rolleyes: tuition!!!

Not every rider has the option of DAS!! Being under 21 is usually a crippler when applying for that route! :D

[metalmonkey]

Chris thanks I'll take look and pass the info onto her....

For my sister its really more of toy as the car is needed for work, and something she has like wanted to do for a while, my mum was like no. But you know what parents are like!

I was thinking of the cbr for a month to praticse on. RS125 yup they look like loads of fun, if she was to get one I'll be send round to you Chris as you both live in the same town!

Wouldn't mind one, however I have more than enough to deal with. I would suggest an Sv for her as well, mine is great another SV on the road, can only be a good thing see what happens.

[sinbad]

OK so what is the difference between the DAS test, (over 21) and the test I did on a 125? There is no difference apart from the bikes. They are both "intense" :rolleyes: tuition!!!

Not every rider has the option of DAS!! Being under 21 is usually a crippler when applying for that route! :D

Very little except the bike is like a bike that most of us actually intend to ride. My quibble is with CBT and people that say: "Nahh, just do cbt and get a 125 for 12months, don't go for a big bike straight away, teach yourself." As if that is actually any safer. I believe that it's more dangerous in fact.

The road hazards we face do not change because we are on lower capacity machinery.

[yorkie_chris]

Big bikes aren't really any harder to ride/operate are they? And there's no rule stating that you have to go for a fast or big bike once you've passed a DAS or that that is the end of your formal training.
The best thing about DAS is that you have some intense tuition and days of observed riding. Going out on a 125 after just a cbt on your own is not wise in my opinion.

I think every rider should do DAS if they can afford it, and then make a sensible decision on what bike to get proper experience with.

Er saywhat?

You can go for your DAS test with no training at all. Buy a brand new gixxer thou, stick an L plate on it and take it to the test center in a van.

Doubt you'll pass... but you could have a go. (good luck with the insurance like...)



The new test rules are complete b0llocks. They are, like the parallel parking and U turns in the car test, a "hoop to jump through". All they've done with these new rules is make it impossible unless you can afford the time and money to go to the other end of the county to get your license!

They are completely killing biking as a mode of transport, the only people who are going to be able to do their tests with the new system are the old fat gits who want a weekend toy!



As for CBT's, it's a cheap way into the sport and the life of biking, whats the point of spending probably a grand on getting your proper license if you then get rained on the first time and think "fk this".

Safety? Why is it anyones concern? What gives any of us the right to deny for example 16 year old's the right to transport? If it's that important for "safety" rather than freedom, you try take a bus and see if you still feel the same!

[Sosha]

DAS/ CBT whatever... when you first start out you will be rubbish....least I was...

:D

[timwilky]

Tell her to do her test. My opinion is the CBT does not equip a rider with sufficient skill to ride safely even on a 125. At least the DAS route and proper training should give her minimum skill.

Additionally not riding a 125 for herself before doing her test on a full size bike means she will not have learned any naughty habbits

[Ed]

My CBT was rubbish.

[tonyk]

DAS/ CBT whatever... when you first start out you will be rubbish....least I was...

:D

err....hum...i'v seen you ride...















joke joke no offence sophie............your a good rider..

[tonyk]

Er saywhat?

the only people who are going to be able to do their tests with the new system are the old fat gits who want a weekend toy!



listen here i take great offence.............:smt104
there are some ( well me in fact ) who are old fat gits ( less of the git bit )
who want to ride daily...and not just some thing for the weekend..:smt044:smt033

[yorkie_chris]

Well waistline aside... They are going to make it impossible for young riders to get a license. Anyone who isn't loaded anyway!

[tonyk]

oh shyt..........just some of the price's.............
safe riding............yea looks like no riding.......
1/ get a 125 and ride till you can afford an licence.
2/ get a 125 and stay on it till your over 21 years..
number 2 does not appeal to me.

[missyburd]

if she wants to do and pass her test before the new rules then i would say do cbt and then DAS, beacuse if she can get a test in august at all and then fails there's no way i think she'd get another one before october and the new rules!


damn better get it booked soon then! :rolleyes:

A few people here are saying being 'let loose' on the roads after passing a CBT is dangerous, I've always wondered how after just a day's training you can be considered fit to ride on public roads! But am guessing the people who train you are pretty sure you're capable and have a good idea of how competent you are on the road, surely they wouldn't pass you otherwise?



did my CBT (but had riden bikes before)
got my RS125 for 2 years
then the DRZ400e
then the SV650S

I think a gradual progession is best. Even after riding for a good few years it was still a power shock getting on the SV compared to what I had riden before.

That's a very good idea :cool:

[yorkie_chris]

Nah, any monkey can pass a CBT.

Anyway, it's a bike, if you turn the throttle, it goes quicker. Doesn't matter if you've had a days training or a lifetimes.

CBT definately makes it easier to pass your test, when I was doing training the main problem was attitude, the actual riding ability was all there. There is no point whatsoever in paying an instructor 20 quid an hour to teach you how to actually use a bike, you can do that on your own.

[missyburd]

Nah, any monkey can pass a CBT.

Anyway, it's a bike, if you turn the throttle, it goes quicker. Doesn't matter if you've had a days training or a lifetimes.

So you keep telling me but I'm still unconvinced!

And I think there's probably a leetle bit more to it than that hun :p

[timwilky]

Firstly you cannot pass/fail a CBT it is not a test. It is Compulsory Basic Training. A big improvement on the old days of put a set of L plates on a 250 and set off down the road learning basic control as you go. However, personal opinion based on the L plated scooter loons I see is that in modern traffic/town centres it is simply not enough.

At least passing the theory test element should ensure you know the rules of the road.

As for what bike, I have a friend who bought herself an R1 after doing her DAS. 3 years later she has never dropped it, buy is damm slow in the areas where riding ability is required, ie the fun places. It is just too heavy for her, but she is also a regular commuter to family in North Scotland, and it is an ideal tool for a 600 mile motorway/A road round trip so how can I tell her it is the wrong bike.

[simesb]

Totally disagree. DAS is done on a poxy 45bhp bike

FWIW I did my DAS on ER6s so moving to the SV was not much of a shock in terms of power, but was in terms of riding :cool:

I agree with YC to a point - people have to be able to make their own (hopefully informed) decisions. Having said that, I think the principals of the CBT and the new test are good, even if the practice isn't what was expected.

I think the standard of driving/riding on the road are generally poor ( apart from me of course, I'm perfect :smt046) and I would like to see regular 10 year assessments of road skills.

The fundamental point is that schools are paid to get you a pass so that is what they concentrate on. The good ones try to help you with general roadcraft, but that is not their primary focus.

As ever with life, formal qualifications are of little direct use until experience builds upon them.

[yorkie_chris]

Another thing about DAS....

You do your test pootling about in town and urban roads, why is a rider any "better" having pootled about on a tiny 500 rather than a 125?

Maybe shows better control as it's a heavier bike, but there's no real difference between a 45bhp bike and a 14bhp bike if you're not shown to ride in a way that uses that power.


The clowns on scooters, well that's just a bit of darwinism, and half of the chavs round here, if the CBT wasn't in existence just wouldn't bother with training at all.
You can do ANY test, then completely change your riding afterwards too!

[gemma1675]

I would say go straight for DAS because of the new test coming up. There may well be a rush of people taking their tests in August/September to get their license before the test changes. If she does DAS in August and fails first time, for example, she may struggle to book a retest. I would get DAS done sooner rather than later and then encourage her to get a sensible first bike.

[Sosha]

Plus one for the "take the test" just to get it out of the way before it gets any more expensive - Full license or restricted whatever suits.