To all you wonderful iTunes users

[Draper]

Check 'The Cowards' out


Specially the drums and backing vocals, they have to be the best part!

[northwind]

Heh, I was thinking "I've heard that name before", then I realised- I remember it from last time you spammed the forum with a plug for them. Hmm.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=92362095

"Richard Draper - making some kind of vague attempt at playing the drums"

You are so busted :smt101 But i do like the drums :cool: Sort of reminds me a bit of the Crocketts and the Crimea at their more mellow (this is a good thing). Not a fan of the cheesy keyboards tho, I think with better keys a lot of those songs would be much stronger, especially The Cowards Are Going To War...

Try this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ij_XOMM2gxA&feature=related

[Draper]

haha has got to be done, pretty chuffed we're on iTunes, hopefully we'll get some attention from companies if the sales go up

it is a vague attempt isn't it? :p

:o leigh the lad our keyman is top, grade 8 keys and piana, teacher with no failed students! but i suppose living daylights and the light is a tad cheesey, but we kinda liked that vibe

will listen to the youtube wehn back home - in library with no speakers

[northwind]

Oh aye, he's got some skills, I just thought the choice of sound was a bit odd ;) But I think that's my bias, I really like the marching band influences in pop music, like the drums Idlewild's "American English", and some of the more recent muse and biffy clyro beats, my tastes don't really run quite in your direction so I'm thinking "I'd like that more if it was beefed up". But that's not your thing, so fair enough.

[Draper]

yeah well i never would have thought i'd be in a band like this... used to be into rock a lot and was in a heavy punkrock band

but it's good fun, and although i will always love the classic rock stuff, wider tastes from beatles to irish folk i enjoy!

[Draper]

p.s. thanks northwind for the only reply! :)

[Ollie_07]

load of ****! :P

Actually not listed yet, will do tonight! :D

[Draper]

i'll give you a load of pap in a minute sunshine!

[SoulKiss]

Ohh your on iTunes

Big deal

Anyone with any sense avoide iTunes as a pile of DRM encumbered ..............

And I also dont understand why anyone would WANT to be signed by a big label anyways - slavery seems preferable from what I see they do.

Just get yourself a decent website and a Paypal account.

Offer your stuff @ low-bitrate quality and accept donations.

Ignore what Radiohead did - they got it wron, but look at what Trent Reznor did with the last NIN release Ghosts - sold out of the 2500 Limited edition sets @ $300/each in 3 days - and all going to him/them (minus production costs)

That is, I feel, the future of music distribution, give it away, but sell "premium" products.

Bands should make their living from performing/touring, not sitting on their backsides moaning about how "piracy" is hurting them (Metallica - I'm looking at you)

[lukemillar]

Ohh your on iTunes

Big deal

Anyone with any sense avoide iTunes as a pile of DRM encumbered ..............

And I also dont understand why anyone would WANT to be signed by a big label anyways - slavery seems preferable from what I see they do.

Just get yourself a decent website and a Paypal account.

Offer your stuff @ low-bitrate quality and accept donations.

Ignore what Radiohead did - they got it wron, but look at what Trent Reznor did with the last NIN release Ghosts - sold out of the 2500 Limited edition sets @ $300/each in 3 days - and all going to him/them (minus production costs)

That is, I feel, the future of music distribution, give it away, but sell "premium" products.

Bands should make their living from performing/touring, not sitting on their backsides moaning about how "piracy" is hurting them (Metallica - I'm looking at you)

Jeez, get off the soap box. People who come marching along and bang the DRM drum are just those who aren't willing to cough up and pay for what someone else has produced.

[SoulKiss]

Jeez, get off the soap box. People who come marching along and bang the DRM drum are just those who aren't willing to cough up and pay for what someone else has produced.

I have a quite large DVD and a lesser CD collection that proves that wrong.

In went and bought 2 CD's and 3 DVD's yesterday.

So maybe its YOUR soapbox that needs vacating :)

Look at the current announcement that Microsoft is switching off the authentication servers for a failed iTunes like service which will leave people who PAID for a product unable to access/unlock those products if they have to buy a new laptop or upgrade their OS.

Its the fact that most of what the "Entertainment Industries" pump out is total cack that leaves people unwilling to pay for stuff unless they are already assured of the quality which they assertain by downloading etc.

Besides with music, whats the difference between downloading an MP3 from a non-DRM site and the old days of taping the Radio1 Top 40 on a Sunday night?

The old distribution models are being proven to be be out of date and the execs are too busy trying to fix what technology has broken to preserve things how they were than to embrace the modern world and get a handle on how to generate revenue in the 21st Century.

Wouldn't it be better for the consumer is bands were forced to actually work to earna living, meaning that in any given city on a weekend night you had a choice of say half a dozen gigs to go to by "tier-1" acts, at resonable prices (due to competition due to the choice) with the knowledge if you miss one band this month they will be back in a month or two.

Much better than Madonna/Floyd ripping off their fans to the tune of £100+ for an hour or two's experience.

[northwind]

Besides with music, whats the difference between downloading an MP3 from a non-DRM site and the old days of taping the Radio1 Top 40 on a Sunday night?


Volume and choice- when I taped off the radio I couldn't go and get entire albums on demand ;)

But I do agree with Soulkiss on the DRM stuff, it's not very effective and it can stop you from using music you've actually paid for. I don't really do downloads, I like CDs, so it doesn't make a big difference to me either way but in pretty much every area of DRM and anti-piracy, you find the same- legitimate use is restricted and piracy isn't stopped.

[Draper]

wow soulkiss a few harsh vibes i'm feeling there

i don't use itunes (or infact buy or download any music these days) and neither are we a signed band sitting on our arses

I just happened to be fairly pleased when a company came along and asked us to be the first track on their unsigned bands album, and as they liked our stuff, they said they'd put an ep up for us and if that does well they'll stick out second one up there. They have no rights to the music and get a small cut of the sales

I am also not sure as to how much performing gigs actually gets you when you start adding up security and all that... i imagine advertising is a biggie... but then i am just guessing

Just thought i'd see what some of the org members thought of the stuff

apologies for offending

[SoulKiss]

wow soulkiss a few harsh vibes i'm feeling there

i don't use itunes (or infact buy or download any music these days) and neither are we a signed band sitting on our arses

I just happened to be fairly pleased when a company came along and asked us to be the first track on their unsigned bands album, and as they liked our stuff, they said they'd put an ep up for us and if that does well they'll stick out second one up there. They have no rights to the music and get a small cut of the sales

I am also not sure as to how much performing gigs actually gets you when you start adding up security and all that... i imagine advertising is a biggie... but then i am just guessing

Just thought i'd see what some of the org members thought of the stuff

apologies for offending

Nah, I think its me who owes an apology to you.

My rant wasnt about you as such - congratulations that you have achieved what you have, iTunes IS an indicator of a kind - so well done.

My anger is with the RIAA/MPAA and their international counterparts/clones and the whole "who actually owns the music if you buy a CD"

They are trying to make a case that if you rip your CD's to put on your mp3 player, then put those files in a folder that is shared on your network - maybe you have a fileserver and a laptop, that is illegal.

If all I am purchasing is a license to listen to the music, then why will they not replace a damaged CD at COST.

Also I am looking at leaving the UK, which means that thanks to the scam that is DVD regions, I am going to have to break the law or else re-buy all my DVD's

People are not yet seeing the problems that this type of protectionist behaviour will lead to, and unless they come to that realisation then laws will be passed.

Take the case in the US recently where someone was running a BitTorrent "TRACKER" site - basically its just a load of links to where the files are - but the actual files never actually exsist on that server.

They just got fined $110,000,000 which may seem fair until you realise that the US only gave $3,000,000 to aid Burmah....

The amounts of money involved (well someone needs to keep the execs in Ferrari's, Cocaine and Hookers) means that they can bully the "little guy" with their teams of lawyers - take the Disney Corp - they have EVERY law firm in Florida on retainer, which means if you want to sue them it has to be handled by a law firm from outside that state - which makes it more expensive AND puts them at an advantage.

[Draper]

wow at lot of that has gone over my head

but all is cool soulkiss :thumleft:

i mean, i know f all about the music... i just play the drums :p





...also cant take DVDs abroad? thats a kick in the stones

[Baph]

Jeez, get off the soap box. People who come marching along and bang the DRM drum are just those who aren't willing to cough up and pay for what someone else has produced.
We all know that DRM is incredibly accurate, and has no flaws whatsoever don't we? :rolleyes:

DRM, in many many cases, actually prevents legitimate owners from transferring media from one place to another.