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suzsv650
13-05-08, 10:37 PM
My brother sold his old rs125 today however the bloke who bought it came from london with no jacket and just one glove with no licence or insurance.
The bloke learnt to ride the bike in our street with aboslutly no idea about bikes (buying the most unreliable bike ever!!!)and basicly no idea!
I feel quite sorry for the dude he had his mrs with him and a 4 year old kid (he's bron in 1986) and i dont think he knows what he has let himself into!!:(
discus!
p.s i just been to the pub and cba to speel check! Guiness is not good for you!
DarrenSV650S
13-05-08, 10:49 PM
I wouldn't have sold it to him if it was me
yorkie_chris
13-05-08, 10:50 PM
Pieces of paper with the queens head on say he's a big boy and it's his problem...
DarrenSV650S
13-05-08, 10:53 PM
Pieces of paper with the queens head on say he's a big boy and it's his problem...You'd make a great bike salesman :rolleyes:
SV PILOT
13-05-08, 10:56 PM
+1 yorkie_chris. If the guy wants to take that chance then he is the idiot thats taking the chance! Its not your fault that he was top bidder! The guy sounds like a bit of an a**e but if he doesn't care, why should you?? It sounds bad but we all have common sense just some choose not to use it!
suzsv650
13-05-08, 10:57 PM
I wouldn't have sold it to him if it was me
i was up the pub i just got home to find out!!!
im a bit stunned at why someone would drive a bike 100 miles with no licence!!!!
must be a london thing!
yorkie_chris
13-05-08, 11:03 PM
The guy will have bought it because he heard from his mate "ere it's fast as fk innit mate" why else does anyone buy an RS125?!?!?
If he's going to be that much of a plank then it's not your problem, if you're going to be a bleeding heart eejit then more fool you!
now in all fairness, I would have given him fair warning and advice, but it's not my place to take away peoples right to give me money!
suzsv650
13-05-08, 11:08 PM
The guy will have bought it because he heard from his mate "ere it's fast as fk innit mate" why else does anyone buy an RS125?!?!?
If he's going to be that much of a plank then it's not your problem, if you're going to be a bleeding heart eejit then more fool you!
now in all fairness, I would have given him fair warning and advice, but it's not my place to take away peoples right to give me money!
just a post showing how stupid some people are!
the bike has just had a rebuild ( new barrel and pistion done by me) so he best take it steady on the way back or he will be screwed!
i just know in a few days time i will get a phone call "mate the bike wont start" "well thats cus u didnt wear it in u stupid ****!"
what if he crashed and died on the way home?
you knowly letting him ride with no leicance or insurance
suzsv650
13-05-08, 11:14 PM
what if he crashed and died on the way home?
you knowly letting him ride with no leicance or insurance
well i didn't but yea thats my point! why would you drive that far knowing to buy a bike and not sort things out just chuffing stupid!
yorkie_chris
13-05-08, 11:20 PM
what if he crashed and died on the way home?
you knowly letting him ride with no leicance or insurance
Again, his problem.
I sold a 125 to someone 6 months ago, if they're dead now is it still my fault?
you knowly letting him ride with no leicance or insurance
He was the legal owner though so surely he's the only one liable. How did his Missus and Kid get back home? I'd get your Brother to check the details he gave for his name and address or call the DVLA to get them to make a note of it.
pencil shavings
14-05-08, 02:06 AM
I dont think there can be any legal requirement to not sell it.
As for morals, you might argue that there is duty of care. But then he has freedom of action as he his an autonomous being, so you have no right to interfear.
Me personaly, hes not my responsibility, I wouldnt even feel a duty of care towards him.
My brother sold his old rs125 today however the bloke who bought it came from london with no jacket and just one glove with no licence or insurance.
The bloke learnt to ride the bike in our street with aboslutly no idea about bikes (buying the most unreliable bike ever!!!)and basicly no idea!
I feel quite sorry for the dude he had his mrs with him and a 4 year old kid (he's bron in 1986) and i dont think he knows what he has let himself into!!:(
It's his lookout. If he's that stupid then I'd feel I wasn't doing my civic duty if I didn't deprive him of as much folding wonga as possible.
Let me put it this way - he travelled 100 miles to spend money so he was obviously keen to get a bike, he really doesn't want that money in his pocket so he may as well give it to me. Once the money is in my pocket I don't give a rat's ar$e whether he's licensed or not. From the moment he's got the keys he's on his own. I wouldn't hope he hits something or blows the bike up, but I'd be completely lacking in sympathy if anything did happen.
It's not just a London thing - this sort of scum exists everywhere nowadays unfortunately.
I sold a CBR6 in pristine condition a little while ago, same kind of thing, this dude turns up with no kit (he told me he didnt even have a lid! and would I throw in my Arai for the deal.......errr no mate I wont).
So magically a lid appears from out of his mates car and he rides it off after handing over the cash nearly crashing it half way down the road.....err that will be the throttle mate........tosser.
Still I sat there stroking the cash consoling myself. Not my bike anymore.
My brother sold his old rs125 today however the bloke who bought it came from london with no jacket and just one glove with no licence or insurance.
The bloke learnt to ride the bike in our street with aboslutly no idea about bikes (buying the most unreliable bike ever!!!)and basicly no idea!
I feel quite sorry for the dude he had his mrs with him and a 4 year old kid (he's bron in 1986) and i dont think he knows what he has let himself into!!:(
discus!
p.s i just been to the pub and cba to speel check! Guiness is not good for you!
As the buyer it is his responsibuility, insurance, licence etc, he had the option to turn up in a van,so it is no reflection on you, as long as all your paperwork is in order ie V5, incase plod comes after you for something he has done,:smt067and you have the readies, job is a good un, my babbers.
if the guy who bought the bike did not have a leicance, he may not put the bike in his name, did your brother get any ID or proof who the guy was, as if he gave false details, and the bike gets tickets for speeding etc, it may come back on you?
TBH i too would have sold him the bike,
SoulKiss
14-05-08, 07:16 AM
How can that happen when its the SELLER sends the V5 off.
I dont believe there is any requirements for the seller to do anything more than send it off with the details supplied by the buyer.
I dont think you need to see 2 forms of ID and run a background check.
How can that happen when its the SELLER sends the V5 off.
I dont believe there is any requirements for the seller to do anything more than send it off with the details supplied by the buyer.
I dont think you need to see 2 forms of ID and run a background check.
+1
How can that happen when its the SELLER sends the V5 off.
I dont believe there is any requirements for the seller to do anything more than send it off with the details supplied by the buyer.
I dont think you need to see 2 forms of ID and run a background check.
it does ask for a drivers number (which is optinal)
i may be wrong but if the bike get lots of tickets, and the new owner does not exsist, they may trace it back to him, then he may have to prove he sold the bike?
It all really comes down to what hand his single glove was for!
Also i'm going with the fools, parting and money plus life in this case. But i'm cynical.
yorkie_chris
14-05-08, 09:45 AM
it does ask for a drivers number (which is optinal)
i may be wrong but if the bike get lots of tickets, and the new owner does not exsist, they may trace it back to him, then he may have to prove he sold the bike?
What proof would there be or not be? Except for getting the buyer to sign a reciept, but if the guy doesn't exist, that's also pointless.
You could make the risky maneuvre of trusting the "innocent until proven guilty" bit of the law and say "prove it" I suppose...
And, you can have a drivers number without having a license, you get one on provisional.
pencil shavings
14-05-08, 11:22 AM
You could make the risky maneuvre of trusting the "innocent until proven guilty" bit of the law and say "prove it" I suppose...
ahhh, you wouldnt want to go there, or we will play with section 44 ;)
What proof would there be or not be? Except for getting the buyer to sign a reciept, but if the guy doesn't exist, that's also pointless.
You could make the risky maneuvre of trusting the "innocent until proven guilty" bit of the law and say "prove it" I suppose...
And, you can have a drivers number without having a license, you get one on provisional.
Have a look at www.pepipoo.com
There are lots of threads where a car has been sold, tickets issued can't trace the new owner and the police come knocking on your door demanding information, or you get the fines and court summons. (paraphrased)
muffles
14-05-08, 11:42 AM
just one glove
Did he have shoulder length black hair, a peculiar looking nose, and speak in a high-pitched, girl's voice?
pencil shavings
14-05-08, 11:43 AM
Did he have shoulder length black hair, a peculiar looking nose, and speak in a high-pitched, girl's voice?
heee heeee!! :smt046
Supervox
14-05-08, 11:46 AM
Depends if your brother allowed the guy a test ride before buying - if he did then I THINK he's probably broken the law by allowing someone who he knows doesn't have a licence or insurance to ride his bike.
If however, it was only after the exchange of money that your brother allowed him to ride the bike then he's done nothing other than sell a motorcycle to someone who chooses to flout the law.
I would not take the above as 100% accurate - it's just what I think is the case - I'm sure that one of our resident 'boys in blue' could confirm it (or shoot me down in flames !!)
, then he may have to prove he sold the bike?
A wad of cash and the fact that it is not still parked on his property should be sufficient
edot: I would have hoped anyway - what were the results of similar pepipoo cases? successful but still incurred hassle???
A wad of cash and the fact that it is not still parked on his property should be sufficient
edot: I would have hoped anyway - what were the results of similar pepipoo cases? successful but still incurred hassle???
heres one ongoing
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=28025
here's another one
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=27358
basically seems to be lots of hassle, and you have to prove you sold the car (harder than it sounds), and you will get a summons for S.172 (not identifying driver) which you may have to defend in court
heres one ongoing
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=28025
here's another one
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=27358
basically seems to be lots of hassle, and you have to prove you sold the car (harder than it sounds), and you will get a summons for S.172 (not identifying driver) which you may have to defend in court
Your interpretation from these threads is very different fom mine :D
IMO 2 stupid people that failed to properly inform the DVLA they had sold their vehicle & failed to keep proper receipts for the sale & the acknowledgement from DVLA that they were no longer the RK.
yorkie_chris
14-05-08, 12:59 PM
Yeah, next vehicle I sell I'm going to photocopy the V5 before I send it off too so I've got evidence of new keeper if DVLA lose it.
Hmm, notes in my hand. Bye mate, have a good ride!!
Darwinisim in full effect.
So no one's worried about him taking out the innocent when he loses it? :smt102:
So no one would shop a drunk driver?
I have not read the rest of the post in any detail, but surely you did what it says to do on the V5 and kept the current keeper part to send back to the DVLA to notify them?
If you gave the new owner that, then I would get yourself a letter knocked up and sent to the dvla as soon as possible.
So no one's worried about him taking out the innocent when he loses it? :smt102:
So no one would shop a drunk driver?
I have shopped drunk drivers in the past, and would do so again.
What makes this different is that there is nothing affecting his riding ability (assuming for a second that he has some). For me to sell a bike, prove who you are... bank statement with your name on it... that'll do. So long as I can fill in the V5. How you get it home is your responsability once I have the notes.
If he takes out an innocent on the way home, well, they claim against the MIB (no, not the fella's in black suits).
What makes this different is that there is nothing affecting his riding ability .
Well I was kind of labouring under the assumption that you actually learnt something in the process of obtaining a licence ;)
Well I was kind of labouring under the assumption that you actually learnt something in the process of obtaining a licence ;)
Personally, I already knew how to ride a bike before I did my test. I also had a car licence, so knew how to obey the laws of the road.
2+2 = 5, ability, but not legally permitted to drive (this guy without the licence).
yorkie_chris
14-05-08, 05:55 PM
Well I was kind of labouring under the assumption that you actually learnt something in the process of obtaining a licence ;)
What would make you think that?
OK, I admit I read on the internet how to change gears on a bike a few weeks before starting training.
Should have just put in for my test I s'pose :)
:lol:
yorkie_chris
14-05-08, 07:16 PM
When learning how to pass a test, you learn how to pass a test. It doesn't help much with actually riding the bike in practice. ;-)
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