Next bike after an SV650?

[Defender]

Went for a ride on my brothers Gixer 1000 and it was awesome.
I like the sitting position and the power (of course).

This led me to think I might like a sports bike so off I went to Appleyards in Leeds to check out the prices.

SV650 K8 Sport = £4699 (£4299 with Suzuki's £400 cashback)
My bike as p/x is worth £2500 (SV650 naked with 5,500 mls exactly 1 yr old)
How crap is that p/x?

After looking at the SV Sport and although I liked it, I decided not to bother as I'd only gain a fairing for another £1800! Colours aint that good either.

Looks like a Gixer but that will be next year. However,

A GSXR600 = £7200 A GSXR750 = £8000 A GSXR1000 = £8995

Looks like I'll be getting a used 600 or 700 or an older GSXR and keeping the SV!

[petevtwin650]

Can't understand anybody buying new, especially if they only keep them for a year. Of course your gonna suffer from huge depreciation.:(

So many good low mileage well looked after bikes out there. Good plan I reckon to keep the Sv, anothers years warranty on it yet, and buy a barely used SS. Only downside is the additional insurance and roadtax.

[Defender]

I thought about trying to find a used 12mnths old Sport from a dealer - That way I wouldn't pay a chunk more money, and indeed this is still an option. The new grey or black colours aint that exciting, whereas, I've always loved the blue I have.

I got my bike on 3yrs 0% and as I'm only part way through it, I need to be savvy what I do. Otherwise I'll be out of pocket.

[sv-robo]

Quite fancy the new shape fz1s:smt045(with lots of mods:))

[lukemillar]

Can't understand anybody buying new, especially if they only keep them for a year. Of course your gonna suffer from huge depreciation.:(

So many good low mileage well looked after bikes out there. Good plan I reckon to keep the Sv, anothers years warranty on it yet, and buy a barely used SS. Only downside is the additional insurance and roadtax.

I bought new last time! Was worth it though. I wanted the (then) new style R6 and was buying at the end of 2006 - the year they came out. All the second hand ones had been bought at full rrp when they were first released and even though they had taken into account 1000 pounds of depreciation the dealers were making space for the 07's and were selling the 06's for about 100 pounds more than second hand!

There is something very special about owning a bike from new with delivery miles on the clock :)

[kwak zzr]

Only downside is the additional insurance and roadtax.

makes me laf how the gixer6 is less road tax than a sv650 :)

[kwak zzr]

There is something very special about owning a bike from new with delivery miles on the clock :)

I agree Luke, my next bike will be new but the depreciation is hard to stomach,cuz is having this problem with his sv650s, he wants a gixer6 or 750 but part x is only offering him 2800! his bike is cleaner than new and only has 3k on the clock.
The money Ive lost on cars over the years make me feel ill :( my worst was the passat i brought, i lost £1500 in 6 months :(

[Defender]

Depreciation....My brother bought a used Peugeot last year for 12k. The original owner bought it new for 18k 11mths previously!!

Not sure what to do re the bike.
You know when you want something but it's proving hard to get it easily!

[lukemillar]

I agree Luke, my next bike will be new but the depreciation is hard to stomach,cuz is having this problem with his sv650s, he wants a gixer6 or 750 but part x is only offering him 2800! his bike is cleaner than new and only has 3k on the clock.
The money Ive lost on cars over the years make me feel ill :( my worst was the passat i brought, i lost £1500 in 6 months :(

Mine was the same R6 when I sold it!. I was moving to OZ and had to make a quick sale. It went for 2000 less than I paid for it and was just under a year old :(. In hindsight I should have shipped it with me, but I was so focused on clearing all debt at the time, I didn't really think straight!

[Wayluya]

Bought me SV in March 08.

I went new cos' I was intending to keep it for a few years, and new = no risk of bike having been owned by someone with zero cash for maintanence or fiddling fingers......

Now I am not so sure about keeping the SV and therefore the depreciation =:( :(

Honda Blackbird is top of my wish list at the moment :cool:- a s/h one (it's a Honda!) unless Honda bring out a revised version next year.......

[Defender]

When I last bought a car my thoughts were purely financial in how much it was going to cost me. At the time I worked for a Vauxhall franchise and got a good discount off list. Needless to say, 7 years later, the car has been rock solid and cost me next to nothing to maintain.

When it comes to the bike, now that's a mixture of real emotion and money.

What is interesting is the profit margin on bikes. I was offered ?2500 for my bike and I know they'll stick upwards of a 1000 (perhaps more) when selling it.

[Beenz]

Keep the SV and think about adding the SS bike if you can afford it. The naked SV will still reward you around town and B road blats and use the gixer for the A&B road fun, at least then you keep the miles down on the SS bike as well. Higher milage SS bikes 'seem' to suffer more than others.

[fizzwheel]

I bought new, but I did get nearly 1800 off the screen price, because it was the previous years model and the dealer wanted it shifting to make room for that years bikes in the showroom.

You can find a bargain if you are prepared to do something like that I think.

[neio79]

What is interesting is the profit margin on bikes. I was offered ?2500 for my bike and I know they'll stick upwards of a 1000 (perhaps more) when selling it.


wouldent be so sure, when i got rid of my K3 i got 2000 for it, and it went on the forcourt for 2600, before someone haggled with them, so they relisticlly only made 500 max profit on it.

Oh not counting the fuel exhaust they took off and flogged on ebay probably. If i had known that i would have taken it off and sold it myself.

I personally have no regrets about buying new due to the stonking deal i got. 2007 brand new ZX-6R 5500 OTR - 2000 P/X means it cost me 3500 for a brand new sh*t hot bike with GAP insurance.

I intend to keep it a few years yet though so depreciation is not going to bother me.

[stewie]

I just got £1200 for a 7 yr SV 650S with nearly 30k on the clock, swapped it for a 3 yrd old Triumph Daytona 650 and havent stopped grinning, great riding position, comfy seat and fast as f*ck, havent stopped grinninhg. :D like that :D and that. Hasnt helped my spelling though ;)

[ThEGr33k]

Well it depends on what you want? What you want to do with it...

IMO these are the best Idea's.

*(sporty) Tourer = Fazer 600/1000
*Bigger & better SV650s = Aprilia sl1000 Falco/Sv1000s (the SL1000 is more like the SV650 than the SV1000...).
*Full on sports bike. = GSX/YZF/CBR/ZX 600/750.

You know my opinion on which one you should get :p

[Defender]

I like this bike but I'm not sure how easy they are to restrict / de-restrict.

SUZUKI GSXR GSX-R600 R-K6 600cc , 2006 06 Reg , 5,300 miles, Blue. Excellent Condition, Finance Available, Single Seat Cowl, Warranty, Alarm, Immobiliser, Full Service History. ?5,195

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/dpage_photoad.jsp?abname=castlemcycles&pageid=1&id=200818309221811


Is this a good price? If it can be restricted I'm interested. Anyone,,,,,,,

[G]

I bought new, but I did get nearly 1800 off the screen price, because it was the previous years model and the dealer wanted it shifting to make room for that years bikes in the showroom.

You can find a bargain if you are prepared to do something like that I think.

+1

Both my bikes have been brand new pre registered 0 mileage bikes, with a healthy dose of discount.

I Always try and buy new nowdays because I have had so many problems with used vehicles in the past :(

Bought the SV new and lost £1050 exactly on it in the 14 months I had it.

[steveg]

Bought my sv650s new for 3750 , which included 2 years or 8000 miles free servicing worth about 400 quid .

Could have got a 12 month old bike for 3k however never owned anything new before and thought it was a good buy.

Bike now 2 years old and 30 k miles on clock , have no plans to sell it , with the cost of petrol as it is the sv is great fun and relatively cheap to run ideal for the commute

It was great getting a brand new bike , and if you are going to keep bike for a while > 3 years worth it in my opinion if you get a good deal by shopping around.

Just my thoughts

Cheers Steve

[Lissa]

I like this bike but I'm not sure how easy they are to restrict / de-restrict.

SUZUKI GSXR GSX-R600 R-K6 600cc , 2006 06 Reg , 5,300 miles, Blue. Excellent Condition, Finance Available, Single Seat Cowl, Warranty, Alarm, Immobiliser, Full Service History. ?5,195

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/dpage_photoad.jsp?abname=castlemcycles&pageid=1&id=200818309221811


Is this a good price? If it can be restricted I'm interested. Anyone,,,,,,,


TBH if it's got to be restricted anyway, what's the point of getting another bike? Ask Plowsie how pants restricted in-line fours are!

I really think you'd be better off riding out your restriction on the SV and buying a new bike once your time is up.

[GastonJ]

Hmmmm I bought myself a new FZ6 Fazer S2 less than 2 months ago, cost me 4K after trade-in of ?899, that was after getting around ?400 off for it being an unregistered S2. On top of that I got 0% interest for 3 years.

I traded in my '99 SV650N for it. Got ?899 for the SV, which only cost me ?450 to buy late last year because it had been in the floods, up to the cylinders. It still ran well, but always at the back of my mind was the damage that the floods could have done and I had no idea of it's service history.

Now I have a bike with 2 years warrenty, I know the full service history. I don't intend to move on for a number of years so depreciation doesn't worry me. All in all I'm happy with the bike, something about running a bike in from 0 miles :-) Shop around, get what you're happy with, took me 2 months of looking round but it was worth it.

[ThEGr33k]

I like this bike but I'm not sure how easy they are to restrict / de-restrict.

SUZUKI GSXR GSX-R600 R-K6 600cc , 2006 06 Reg , 5,300 miles, Blue. Excellent Condition, Finance Available, Single Seat Cowl, Warranty, Alarm, Immobiliser, Full Service History. ?5,195

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/dpage_photoad.jsp?abname=castlemcycles&pageid=1&id=200818309221811


Is this a good price? If it can be restricted I'm interested. Anyone,,,,,,,


Wait you are still resticted and want a new bike? Id say if thats the case then wait. A restricted 600 will be TERRABLE! :(

[G]

and your only having half the fun on the SV, plus riding a gsxr thou on a restricted license isnt too clever

[muffles]

It's a 600 not a 1000 actually...

If you think it's a good one-off deal that would be worth getting now despite being restricted, then yes it's easy enough to restrict the 600K6 (ECU restriction same as the pointy SV). Just swap them over and off you go!

[Defender]

I read the article below about restricting a gixer 600.

http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=139310&highlight=

You see I'm due a new back tyre in around 500 mls (£100 - £200 depending on whether I opt for a Dunlop 220 or a pair of Avon Storms), the 7500 service will soon come up (minimum of £150), so with a min of £250 - £300 and an interest in a Sports bike I'm wondering about changing.

[muffles]

When's your restriction up? I can see why you are thinking about it - for me, the thing I'd be trying to avoid is spending money for someone else to enjoy - i.e., if I spent the money on tyres/service, to use it for a good while afterwards and not just to sell it.

Have you tried the SV derestricted in any form? That would play a big part in the decision if you had, as it tells you a bit more about what you'll get when the restriction is up.

[Defender]

23 April 2009 is my 2yrs up!

The guy at the dealers yesterday remarked that 10,000mls is a kind of benchmark for bikes and that after this mileage the value drops some.

I've not heard this before, however, I think it's always been a case of how much they can make off you i.e. give you for your p/x and keep on top of the bike (car) you want. If they know you really want the bike (car) they know they have you.

[ThEGr33k]

23 April 2009 is my 2yrs up!

The guy at the dealers yesterday remarked that 10,000mls is a kind of benchmark for bikes and that after this mileage the value drops some.

I've not heard this before, however, I think it's always been a case of how much they can make off you i.e. give you for your p/x and keep on top of the bike (car) you want. If they know you really want the bike (car) they know they have you.

I was you id just ride the SV till you need a new bike or get fed up of the full power. Youll only put the mileage on the 600 and end up with that things value dropping like a lead weight. :( That's what i did anyway. :rolleyes:

[petevtwin650]

The guy at the dealers yesterday remarked that 10,000mls is a kind of benchmark for bikes and that after this mileage the value drops some.

I've not heard this before, however, I think it's always been a case of how much they can make off you i.e. give you for your p/x and keep on top of the bike (car) you want. If they know you really want the bike (car) they know they have you.

The dealers will give you any old BS to reduce the price they will give you.

With the money you'll save on not taxing and insuring a SS, uprate the front end and work on going everywhere flat out (on private roads of course) ;):D

This will stand you in good stead for future motorcycling. :cool:

[ThEGr33k]

The dealers will give you any old BS to reduce the price they will give you.

With the money you'll save on not taxing and insuring a SS, uprate the front end and work on going everywhere flat out (on private roads of course) ;):D

This will stand you in good stead for future motorcycling. :cool:

+1

[gettin2dizzy]

The SV is becomming a better option by the day. Especialy with the way fuel prices are going;

Cruising: 200+ miles a tank at 70mpg @ 70mph. Or if you like a relaxed 110-120mph motorway basher. I spent 3 1/2 hours in the seat on Saturday (between fill-ups) and was as comfortable as can be :)
B-roads; lovely to hustle around using all the gears (unlike a ss600) whilst making a gorgeous noise
Commuting ; loud enough to shift cars like moses could only dream of, and again - cheap to run
Trackdays ; A huge amount of pleasure to be had from dancing around others on il4 rockets whilst still being a hoot. Suspension could do with upgrading but that costs less than a tank of fuel in my car!

Cheap to service, cheap to insure and less likely to be put in the back of someones van .

To be honest, I'd stick with the SV. It may not be the quickest/trickest bike out there but if you look at smile per pound it's up there at the top :)

[G]

Stuff

You sell it well :cool::smt038

But if you can afford to get something new and you want to....then you may aswell


The dealers will give you any old BS to reduce the price they will give you.

With the money you'll save on not taxing and insuring a SS, uprate the front end and work on going everywhere flat out (on private roads of course) ;):D

This will stand you in good stead for future motorcycling. :cool:

Insurance is a big increase, but the tax on a SS600 is cheaper than the SV and ?40 - ?60 is hardly a killer anyay for a year.

[Alpinestarhero]

makes me laf how the gixer6 is less road tax than a sv650 :)


That anoyed the hell out of me when my dad had a gsxr600

And G2D, your right. Mind you, in saying that, my dads current gsxr750 is alsmot (but not quite) as economical as my SV. We both did 120 miles round trip to brands hatch last year, filled up when we got home and it was less than 8 litres used for the whole trip each.

Matt

[neio79]

[quote=petevtwin650;1521560With the money you'll save on not taxing and insuring a SS, [/quote]


Pete, its actually a bit cheaper to tax a SS600, being under the 600cc mark :D, but ok insurance is a bit of a jump mine is group 15. But that said only went up about £100 a year fully comp.

[neio79]

:)
B-roads; lovely to hustle around using all the gears (unlike a ss600)


Wrong, back of the calss for remedial bike lessons!! ;)

I can sit in 6th on mine at 45 and open it ip and it will pull quite happily to insane speeds in a short period of time.

Admitidly if i want to go from relaxed to insane in a split second knocking it down to 3rd wil achieve that. then its happy to stay there untill 120.

[gettin2dizzy]

Wrong, back of the calss for remedial bike lessons!! ;)

I can sit in 6th on mine at 45 and open it ip and it will pull quite happily to insane speeds in a short period of time.

Admitidly if i want to go from relaxed to insane in a split second knocking it down to 3rd wil achieve that. then its happy to stay there untill 120.
So you've got a rocket powered scooter - whoop! ;)

I meant that the SV needs hustling through the gears. I used to love my 125 as that needed working to get to 45!

[Alpinestarhero]

Restricted GSXR's = a bit more gutless than the SV

[G]

So you've got a rocket powered scooter - whoop! ;)

I meant that the SV needs hustling through the gears. I used to love my 125 as that needed working to get to 45!

Its only enjoyable for abit, then only having 3krpm in each gear before being sat on the redline gets annoying and you need more.

[Toypop]

I bought pre-reg and paid ?5000 for my ZX-6R and ?7000 for the ZX-10R. So they had both already lost ?2000 worth of a depreciation before I bought them and I got the full warranty etc so I win. My SVS K5 was ?4200.

I find fuel consumption is pretty much the same especially if I ride the sports bikes at the same speed as the SV. Tax and other costs are similar.

Insurance is the killer... Although 3 years after buying the SV I am now paying less to insure the 10R that I was paying on the SV.

[Defender]

Update.

Called insurance company and a gixer 600 will cost me another ?89 (up til mid Jan 09) of which ?29 is a document fee.

Spoke to a great chap at Cupar who says the Gixer will perform if restricted (a person at the dealers has one).

To keep costs down I will need to find a used 600 and locate a restrictor kit.

[petevtwin650]

Insurance is a big increase, but the tax on a SS600 is cheaper than the SV and ?40 - ?60 is hardly a killer anyay for a year.

Agreed road tax is cheaper, alrrhough I was not aware of that myself, but the OP was thinking of getting a SS in addition to the Sv so it would all be additional expense.

And if road tax is not an issue why do so many folks only road tax their bikes for six months and miss out on some beautiful riding days?

[petevtwin650]

Spoke to a great chap at Cupar who says the Gixer will perform if restricted (a person at the dealers has one).


Well they would say that wouldn't they?:rolleyes:

I refer to my previous posts about dealers and BS.:cool:

[G]

And if road tax is not an issue why do so many folks only road tax their bikes for six months and miss out on some beautiful riding days?

Because they are big girls!! Its blatantly a weather issue rather than cost issues.......everybody knows that.

The difference in 1 year to 6 months is all of about 1 tank of fuel!!

[steveg]

The guy at the dealers yesterday remarked that 10,000mls is a kind of benchmark for bikes and that after this mileage the value drops some.A couple of part x figures for you for my 06 reg sv650s (30k miles)
George White 1500 quid ouch , Motorcycle mart Kidderminster 2200 against a 02 fazer 1000 at 3700 , the fazer was 500 quid over whats its worth making the part x offer about 1800 quid in real term

be carefull when buying service items for you sv , I was tempted by the fazer 1000 and was only buying a sump washer !

I know if I had a test ride i would buy one

George white told me the average yearly mileage was 1500 miles .... , I said it would be cheaper to hire a bike ..

Cheers Steveg

[Defender]

Average is 1500mls a year, that must be based on the riders who tax their bikes for 6mths at a time and only do short runs.

[G]

Average is 1500mls a year, that must be based on the riders who tax their bikes for 6mths at a time and only do short runs.

I have done that in the last month

[ThEGr33k]

Tax is messed up. I was shocked that its the same cost to tax the Falco and the SV650s... Heh weird but im not complaining. :D

1500 miles... Damn it. I also do that a month. :(

Bah.

Well let us know what you decide defender. But im wondering what the reason for you changing is? You wont gain power...

[Defender]

Well let us know what you decide defender. But im wondering what the reason for you changing is? You wont gain power...

Powersports in Bradford just told me they have a used 600 for ?5100 but it'll cost me ?200 for a restrictor kit (that's not an ecu either) and then I'll need to pay them again for it removing.

Cupar will sell me a new 600 for ?6k but will only give me ?2k for my SV :(

Patience might be the answer

[Paul the 6th]

There's a nice CBF600 's' on biketrader at the moment - see my signature :)

[G]

There no easy answer, everyone will give you a different price depending on how much money they have in the bike they are trying to sell you.

When I was looking, for one bike I was looking at I was offered £3200 for my SV......for another bike in the same shop they said they could only offer me £2700 for mine. Completely stupid in my eyes and very annoying. It may be the way they work but it annoyed me and I walked away.

[ThEGr33k]

Well tbh look at some older bikes. Mine for example was VERY cheap. But had low milage and is a damn good bike imo and a lot of other opinions too.

Id say wait some more time. :D by the time you get unrestricted you'll maybe want the 70BHP SV for longer... or the bikes around now will be cheaper in a year. Just don't rush!

As for the top option on the bike NO WAY. Thats just shocking of them! :(

[Defender]

Just been offered the following:

The GSXR600 K7 on the road would be £5995.00 with no hidden cost,
That comes with 12 month tax, 12 month AA cover, 1st service plus a loan
bike,alphadotting and a full tank of fuel, this would also include the
restrictor kit and standard unit.

Its in Scotland but very tempting :)

However, my friend above is speaking sense and it might be a good idea to go for an older bike. Just need some guidance on this though i.e. How many miles / age would you want to buy a Gixer up to? The K4's sell for up to ?4k.

[G]

You can always get cheap deals in scotland, but who in their right mind is going to go all the way back there for their free first service.

Sounds a good deal though.

[Defender]

You're right and it's a bl@@dy long way at 281mls (562 there and back)

At least it gives me ammunition!

[G]

You're right and it's a bl@@dy long way at 281mls (562 there and back)

At least it gives me ammunition!

by the time you got home you would need to start thinking about heading back for your first free service :confused:

[Defender]

by the time you got home you would need to start thinking about heading back for your first free service :confused:

LOL :)

[Defender]

Well it aint gonna happen. It'll cost me too much to get a Gixer, as I will lose so much on the SV, however, I really do want a Sports bike.

I'm back to thinking of getting an SV650 Sport if I'm not too much out of pocket.