View Full Version : Police Persuit cars... How fast?
ThEGr33k
27-05-08, 10:02 PM
I always hear people say they are fast. But then ive also heard people say a 1.6L Corsa is fast. So what are the performance stats on the police chase cars? I cant seem to find anything...
:smt033
busasean
27-05-08, 10:27 PM
volvo v70 - a genuine 155mph +
ukrobuk
27-05-08, 10:31 PM
I was reading that the police are not allowed to chase motorbikes anymore, is this true? Not wanting to try it out but I can see why they wouldn't be allowed to chase a motorbike.
plowsie
27-05-08, 10:37 PM
No, in Yorkshire they send the guy out on the Viffer to chase them, or if his mood takes him, the Busa.
I always hear people say they are fast. But then ive also heard people say a 1.6L Corsa is fast. So what are the performance stats on the police chase cars? I cant seem to find anything...
:smt033
Why do you need to know? Planning on outrunning one soon? :plod:
gettin2dizzy
28-05-08, 10:14 AM
I've gone past one at 90 and had him on my tail within what felt like 60 seconds! Big powerful volvo T5s. If you drive through the midlands they have impreza wrxs ;)
Bluepete
28-05-08, 10:14 AM
Vectra VXR's = 160mph when new.
Midlands/notts were the force that had impreza's, although they dont any more, Just T5's again.
The did without bikes for a while as well when the safety of the Pan's were questioned but they now have pan euro again including some unmarked ones.
Vectra VXR's = 160mph when new.
so my bike is a genuine 2.5 MPH faster, and quicker to get there?? ;) nice, ill use that as my get away vehicle
so my bike is a genuine 2.5 MPH faster, and quicker to get there?? ;) nice, ill use that as my get away vehicle
But then the vectra has to go around corners, which they cant.....so you could use a 125 and get away......not that I would condone those actions.
Luckypants
28-05-08, 10:30 AM
No, in Yorkshire they send the guy out on the Viffer to chase them, or if his mood takes him, the Busa.
and now N. Wales too! :( Two VFR's and two 'Blades in stealth mode have just been delivered (or are on the way) See Daily Post (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2008/05/27/north-wales-police-to-use-racing-bikes-in-operations-55578-20977370/) website.
the_lone_wolf
28-05-08, 10:33 AM
Police Persuit cars... How fast?
not as fast as this:
http://www.tim-beach.com/shore01/police.gif
Bluepete
28-05-08, 10:47 AM
But then the vectra has to go around corners, which they cant.....so you could use a 125 and get away......not that I would condone those actions.
So you've never driven one then.
Luckypants
28-05-08, 10:50 AM
not as fast as this:
http://www.tim-beach.com/shore01/police.gif
Yes and the police would never use underhand tactics (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2008/05/19/ex-cop-took-on-north-wales-police-over-speeding-fine-55578-20929550/) with the helicopter now would they? Do they realistically think that saying it was a 'procedural matter' the case has not come to court will be believed? If they had a case they would press it 100% to teach us nasty bikers a lesson.
So you've never driven one then.
Yes, I have ;)
The understeer is terrible as are the electronic aids in place to stop it. Plenty of straight line power for motorways but incapable of going around corners.
The Problem
http://www.tim-beach.com/shore01/police.gif
The solution
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:532BTIGD7CsJ:www.geocities.com/spectrumwars4/unitdata/rapier.jpg (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geocities.com/spectrumwars4/unitdata/rapier.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.geocities.com/spectrumwars4/unitdata/unitmain.html&h=257&w=210&sz=11&tbnid=532BTIGD7CsJ:&tbnh=112&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSAM%2Bmissile%2Bpictures&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=2)
SoulKiss
28-05-08, 10:56 AM
The solution
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:532BTIGD7CsJ:www.geocities.com/spectrumwars4/unitdata/rapier.jpg (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geocities.com/spectrumwars4/unitdata/rapier.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.geocities.com/spectrumwars4/unitdata/unitmain.html&h=257&w=210&sz=11&tbnid=532BTIGD7CsJ:&tbnh=112&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSAM%2Bmissile%2Bpictures&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=2)
dont think there is room on the pillion of a ZX-6 to fit one of those ..........
dont think there is room on the pillion of a ZX-6 to fit one of those ..........
you might be right there :confused:
Heard from a copper that their BMW 530D tooled up with 3 armed coppers on board was not fast enough to keep up.
Heard from a copper that their BMW 530D tooled up with 3 armed coppers on board was not fast enough to keep up.
3 armed coppers must add about 500kg to the weight!
SoulKiss
28-05-08, 11:09 AM
3 armed coppers must add about 500kg to the weight!
+ doughnuts
+ dougnuts
That was just the dougnuts.
gettin2dizzy
28-05-08, 12:11 PM
Heard from a copper that their BMW 530D tooled up with 3 armed coppers on board was not fast enough to keep up.
WTF?! Are they like Robocop? Genetically modified cops with three arms?! They could ride a bike AND shoot!
WTF?! Are they like Robocop? Genetically modified cops with three arms?! They could ride a bike AND shoot!
Nope......just fat and slow.
markmoto
28-05-08, 12:30 PM
used to work at a dealers that fixed police cars under warranty! :-) test drove quite a few, they arnt any faster than standard cars! the carltons used to be fast in there day, although i did like the T5 Volvos :-) pain in the **** driving round in them though as everyone in front sticks to the speed limit :-)
markmoto
28-05-08, 12:31 PM
one of the worst they had was the ford scorpio cosworth what a pile of poo!
Was the Rover 800 not supposed to have been nicknamed the "General Belgrano" because it wallowed so much?
markmoto
28-05-08, 12:41 PM
Personaly the speed of police cars should be academic as i dont agree with the whole chasing criminals scenario! it endangers other road users so shouldnt happen, with the technology that is around now this way of catching criminals is outdated! More stuff like stingers! guided missiles :cool: etc should be used.
PMore stuff like stingers! guided missiles :cool: etc should be used.
Or Spectre Gunships :smt045.
105mm raining down on the crims :cool:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130-15.jpg
A neighbour used to work for the police as a mechanic. He said that a lot of the area cars, and pursuit cars where de-resticed (if so) and had weaks to the fuel maps/boot pressures.
The panda cars are standard.
However, they do have a few toys as seen in that new series on TV, scoobies and an Evo.
But, the thing we have to remembr is, its not what they have its how they are driven, and the fact they have blue flashing lights :)
ThEGr33k
28-05-08, 01:29 PM
Why do you need to know? Planning on outrunning one soon? :plod:
Nope...
I've gone past one at 90 and had him on my tail within what felt like 60 seconds! Big powerful volvo T5s. If you drive through the midlands they have impreza wrxs ;)
Indeed ive seen these about... If they are standard then they are pretty slow. Like top model 0-100 in 14 seconds. My bike does i in half... :rolleyes:
The Problem
http://www.tim-beach.com/shore01/police.gif
The solution
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:532BTIGD7CsJ:www.geocities.com/spectrumwars4/unitdata/rapier.jpg (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geocities.com/spectrumwars4/unitdata/rapier.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.geocities.com/spectrumwars4/unitdata/unitmain.html&h=257&w=210&sz=11&tbnid=532BTIGD7CsJ:&tbnh=112&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSAM%2Bmissile%2Bpictures&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=2)
LMAO. Shame its run by the army now so don't work any more :p
WTF?! Are they like Robocop? Genetically modified cops with three arms?! They could ride a bike AND shoot!
Ha ha. they are all like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sHvWYAzIRo
Or Spectre Gunships :smt045.
105mm raining down on the crims :cool:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130-15.jpg
+ the rest of the armaments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LSAJRdpolY&feature=related here is a vid of one in action... I dont think the roads would be better off for one of these... Saying that some roads might be better :rolleyes:
Personaly the speed of police cars should be academic as i dont agree with the whole chasing criminals scenario!
Indeed.
A neighbour used to work for the police as a mechanic. He said that a lot of the area cars, and pursuit cars where de-resticed (if so) and had weaks to the fuel maps/boot pressures.
The panda cars are standard.
However, they do have a few toys as seen in that new series on TV, scoobies and an Evo.
But, the thing we have to remembr is, its not what they have its how they are driven, and the fact they have blue flashing lights :)
Indeed those lights would help...
Reason I asked is cos on that Cop program on a little while ago that had the viffer and Busa on there was a guy in his Volvo when a little polo went past at 125mph, he said he didnt think he could catch him if he kept that speed up... Made me wonder, because I always heard people say they were near supercars.... not that I believed them like. :rolleyes:
gettin2dizzy
28-05-08, 01:33 PM
Or Spectre Gunships :smt045.
105mm raining down on the crims :cool:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130-15.jpg
105mm! I think not ;) I love the idea though!
the_lone_wolf
28-05-08, 01:36 PM
Reason I asked is cos on that Cop program on a little while ago that had the viffer and Busa on there was a guy in his Volvo when a little polo went past at 125mph, he said he didnt think he could catch him if he kept that speed up...
some rough numbers:
if it took the copper 60 seconds to get the laser packed down, onto the carriageway and reach 125mph the guy would be around 2 miles in front by then
assuming polo doesn't slow down, it would take 8 minutes of a sustained 140mph to close that gap, during which the polo would have covered another 16 miles
105mm! I think not ;) I love the idea though!
I think so;)
With its extremely accurate fire control system, the AC-130 can place 105mm, 40mm and 25mm munitions on target with first round accuracy.
or:
The gunship's sole user is the United States Air Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force), which uses AC-130H Spectre and AC-130U Spooky variants. The AC-130 is powered by four turboprops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboprop) and has an armament ranging from 20 mm Gatling guns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun) to 105 mm howitzers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howitzer). It has a standard crew of twelve or thirteen Airmen, including five officers (two pilots, a navigator, an electronic warfare officer and a fire control officer) and enlisted personnel (flight engineer, electronics operators and aerial gunners
gettin2dizzy
28-05-08, 01:39 PM
I think so;)
With its extremely accurate fire control system, the AC-130 can place 105mm, 40mm and 25mm munitions on target with first round accuracy.
I was looking at the picture - at the machine gun rounds! doh! ;) I was dreaming of a fully auto 105mm :D
40mm HE rounds are the way to go ;) I've got one on my desk :smt045
ThEGr33k
28-05-08, 01:48 PM
I was looking at the picture - at the machine gun rounds! doh! ;) I was dreaming of a fully auto 105mm :D
40mm HE rounds are the way to go ;) I've got one on my desk :smt045
LOL. They are silly pieces of kit. No getting away once they are over you. :(
LOL. They are silly pieces of kit. No getting away once they are over you. :(
you wouldent even see it, tho the first thing the crim would know is seeing thier car disintergrate in 40mmm HE rain!!
An Greek i have just seen your updated signature grrrrrrr:smt013 LOL
ThEGr33k
28-05-08, 02:00 PM
you wouldent even see it, tho the first thing the crim would know is seeing thier car disintergrate in 40mmm HE rain!!
An Greek i have just seen your updated signature grrrrrrr:smt013 LOL
He he he. :p
SoulKiss
28-05-08, 02:19 PM
I was looking at the picture - at the machine gun rounds! doh! ;) I was dreaming of a fully auto 105mm :D
40mm HE rounds are the way to go ;) I've got one on my desk :smt045
Stop rubbing it in - we have already established you dont ship to London..............
arenalife
28-05-08, 02:20 PM
In Vietnam the Spectre gunship targetted it's huge gun elecronically to the emissions from the HT leads of the VC trucks. They'd just fly along the Ho Chi Min trail in the night and blam blam blam, make the trucks disappear.
kwak zzr
28-05-08, 03:05 PM
all black m3 beemer by us, very fast id say.
Veccys, beware, 280bhp standard, with the "police" remap, say hello to near on 340bhp. 162mph standard, it'll pull much harder. Bit wallowy, but if your on a motorway, not much chance of getting away.
1.6 Corsa, well 140 with a £15k engine in it ( tested it at Brunters with timing gear) ;) so no "standard engined" corsa would get away :lol: 2.0 tubby though ;)
The helichopper, the winner, give up, pull the pants down bend over and leave the pot of lube next to you on the road :lol:
markmoto
28-05-08, 05:37 PM
i vote for apache gunships to be brought into action with the police instead of chasing the skanks just blow them up.
Most police vehicles are not anything decent and if any thing they are slower after the drag of a blue light and then all the other kit that goes it in, then add 2 PCs with all there stuff.
They are no different to what you could buy from a main dealer.
Ch00
GastonJ
28-05-08, 07:00 PM
TBH the police have a piece of equipment that no bike could outrun, it's called a radio. The weight of the lights and equipment does slow down the speed of the cars, I used to service police Granada's a long time back - very early 1980's. I've noticed now that they have very small/thin lights on top and I can't decide if that's to cut down on drag or make them harder to spot - probably both. In Humberside they use Volvo's, Scooby Doos and have the odd R1 with camera's. North Yorks use Volvo's, Cleveland had a Scooby, but that was a few years ago.
Been there, seen most of the unmarked ones and avoid 'em like the plague. I don't really intend to find out how fast they are, and avoiding them is much simpler.
Dave The Rave
28-05-08, 07:38 PM
In Vietnam the Spectre gunship targetted it's huge gun elecronically to the emissions from the HT leads of the VC trucks. They'd just fly along the Ho Chi Min trail in the night and blam blam blam, make the trucks disappear.
still got theirs a4ses kicked hard :-)
ThEGr33k
28-05-08, 08:04 PM
In Vietnam the Spectre gunship targetted it's huge gun elecronically to the emissions from the HT leads of the VC trucks. They'd just fly along the Ho Chi Min trail in the night and blam blam blam, make the trucks disappear.
I dont think they are that old. Damn. Suprised the RAF aint tried to get themselves some of those... Or simply modify their own like. :rolleyes:
Tim in Belgium
28-05-08, 09:03 PM
There's still an unmarked scooby that runs around North Yorkshire, although haven't come across it yet this summer.
ThEGr33k
28-05-08, 09:55 PM
There's still an unmarked scooby that runs around North Yorkshire, although haven't come across it yet this summer.
I aint seen it recently either.
ukrobuk
28-05-08, 09:56 PM
If i was being chased they would catch me easy, i'll speed off into the distance and then run out of fuel because i can't afford to fill my tank up.
ThEGr33k
29-05-08, 06:10 AM
If i was being chased they would catch me easy, i'll speed off into the distance and then run out of fuel because i can't afford to fill my tank up.
LOL. Indeed. :smt076
The weight of the lights and equipment does slow down the speed of the cars, I used to service police Granada's a long time back - very early 1980's.
My college lecturer used to claim that also. He said they had uprated alternators that sapped quite a bit more power from the engines, coupled with extra drag and heavy equipment that made their cars quite a bit slower than standard. (Also going back to early 80s)
Doesn't matter what it is, as long as you're gone within two minutes then you're good.
ThEGr33k
29-05-08, 09:10 AM
Doesn't matter what it is, as long as you're gone within two minutes then you're good.
LOL. Is that when they give up?
LOL. Is that when they give up?
Thats the average time its take for them to call back up and get the chopper in the air.
Then your only hope is to find roads around restricted air space or a multi/underground car park.
Paul the 6th
29-05-08, 11:11 AM
if you haven't killed anyone or committed armed robbery, it's probably best to just pull over :)
ukrobuk
29-05-08, 11:25 AM
In witney you can buy old police cars at auction, even riot vans with all the gear minus lights and stickers. I should try and get 1 for £10 and have a play
Paul the 6th
29-05-08, 11:57 AM
In witney you can buy old police cars at auction, even riot vans with all the gear minus lights and stickers. I should try and get 1 for £10 and have a play
you need any decals or vinyl artwork for it? :smt077
Reason I asked is cos on that Cop program on a little while ago that had the viffer and Busa on there was a guy in his Volvo when a little LUPO went past at 125mph, he said he didnt think he could catch him if he kept that speed up... Made me wonder, because I always heard people say they were near supercars.... not that I believed them like. :rolleyes:Corrected
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