What is this maneouver called - is it in the Highway Code ???

[SoulKiss]

No idea what this guy was doing apart from trying to get himself killed.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfBP0xmxeHY

Now people MAY get an idea why I have so many anti-Cyclist rants.....

Oh and before anyone says anything about how close to the other cyclist I was, my cam mount it down the side of the bike and is about equal to the widest point of the bike.

[454697819]

its the *****ius maximus manouver...

[Alpinestarhero]

that sorta manouver nessecitates the use of one horn and the revving of ones engine. Possibly the use of ones volcabulary of swear words and a flick of ones middle finger.

[the_lone_wolf]

i believe it is mentioned, something like "if the light is red do not proceed beyond the stop line"

:rolleyes:

[SoulKiss]

i believe it is mentioned, something like "if the light is red do not proceed beyond the stop line"

:rolleyes:

Maybe his version also includes

"but you may push your cycle anywhere in the box section you like, as long as you go all the way to the kerb 1st. Re-mounting your cycle in the middle of flowing traffic is mandatory"

[Red Herring]

So why not sit back a moment, let the muppet sort himself out, then go for the overtake, perhaps on the offside just to be original? Given that we all know cyclists think they are a law unto themselves why not allow for the fact a little, let them make their mistakes and make sure we are not involved in them.

[SoulKiss]

So why not sit back a moment, let the muppet sort himself out, then go for the overtake, perhaps on the offside just to be original? Given that we all know cyclists think they are a law unto themselves why not allow for the fact a little, let them make their mistakes and make sure we are not involved in them.

Maybe due to the fact that there are so many muppets on the road on cycles, running red lights etc that the best place to be is in front of them ?

If the cam had been rear facing I would have had footage of the other muppet that brushed my left elbow while trying to "muscle" his way in front of me, then after that failed, ended up running the red light of the next crossing (I had just made it through) and then sat with his front wheel level with my rear wheel and less than 6" away from me - I was level with, and sharing a lane with a scooter at this point.

I can name 2 junctions in London that you will see Cyclist run red lights on EVERY day, yet nothing is done to deal with it.

[Filipe M.]

I can name 2 junctions in London that you will see Cyclist run red lights on EVERY day, yet nothing is done to deal with it.

Hell, I was there only for a few days and had to learn how to avoid being ran over by them at every damn pedestrian crossing. :rolleyes:

[Red Herring]

Strange, whenever I ride around London, and I concede I don"t do it as often as you, I don't have that problem. Still, that's life.

[SoulKiss]

Strange, whenever I ride around London, and I concede I don"t do it as often as you, I don't have that problem. Still, that's life.

You must be riding either at night or during working hours :D

As well as Mr Walky-Muppet, in that clip also look at the positioning of the cyclists in the Box Junction.

Heres another snippet from today, guy "overtakes" 2 x PCSO's (love the feet down action of the rear one), then while I am stopped at the crossing, runs the red light

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZg3E1kEbIY

[Red Herring]

Ridden at various times, and if you meant have I ridden at rush hour, yes I have. The guy that walks through then gets on in the middle of the road is just, well as you say, a muppet. The other one was sitting waiting for the lights to change (OK so he was beyond the stop line but at least he was trying), then as they do and he has to deal with the other cyclist this motorbike comes along and stuffs him up the inside....
Incidentally talking of stop lines I don't suppose you can remember what was written on the road between the two sets of stop lines in your second video? You know, the bit where you stopped having gone past the first line. If it was "Motorcyclists please wait here" I'll apologise now....Wouldn't mind seeing the five seconds of footage before that clip as well.

[SoulKiss]

Ridden at various times, and if you meant have I ridden at rush hour, yes I have. The guy that walks through then gets on in the middle of the road is just, well as you say, a muppet. The other one was sitting waiting for the lights to change (OK so he was beyond the stop line but at least he was trying), then as they do and he has to deal with the other cyclist this motorbike comes along and stuffs him up the inside....
Incidentally talking of stop lines I don't suppose you can remember what was written on the road between the two sets of stop lines in your second video? You know, the bit where you stopped having gone past the first line. If it was "Motorcyclists please wait here" I'll apologise now....Wouldn't mind seeing the five seconds of footage before that clip as well.

Well you got me on that one :P - Although I would argue that the position of the white van/MPV made it an appropriate move for the sake of my own safety, had he been stopped where HE should have I would have pulled in beside, but due to the proximity of the island with the signal in it I figured that to be a less than safe place.

As for the 5 seconds before, that shows me going over a crossing with a green line and squeezing between the island and a van.

Not saying I am an angel, but its the blatent day-in, day-out behaviour of cyclists that annoys me.

[Ping]

Hm... I thought this was a 'have a pop at reckless cyclists' thread, not a 'nit-pick at someone's motorcycling' thread... No doubt the latter can be found on a cyclist's forum somewhere...

Now, while I'm sure Red Herring also abides by all the rules of the road this thread is beginning to show the potential of turning into another bitch-fest.

Please don't let it turn into one, guys.

Mmkay?

[SoulKiss]

Hm... I thought this was a 'have a pop at reckless cyclists' thread, not a 'nit-pick at someone's motorcycling' thread... No doubt the latter can be found on a cyclist's forum somewhere...

Now, while I'm sure Red Herring also abides by all the rules of the road this thread is beginning to show the potential of turning into another bitch-fest.

Please don't let it turn into one, guys.

Mmkay?

I forgot the smilies again didn't I ??? :) :D

[Red Herring]

No chance of that, I was just having a bit of fun and hopefully Soulkiss saw it that way. The bottom line is we all have to share the roads and make the best we can, be it of opportunity or allowing for others mistakes. A little consideration goes a long way but it does seem to get forgotten by some in their efforts to get wherever they want to be....

[Ping]

No chance of that, I was just having a bit of fun and hopefully Soulkiss saw it that way. The bottom line is we all have to share the roads and make the best we can, be it of opportunity or allowing for others mistakes. A little consideration goes a long way but it does seem to get forgotten by some in their efforts to get wherever they want to be....
:lol:

Its fine, just trying to keep the peace here, 'just in case'. ;)

Carry on.

*tips hat, clasps hands behind back and saunters off*

[Filipe M.]

8-[

She's gone now, we're safe!

[SoulKiss]

No chance of that, I was just having a bit of fun and hopefully Soulkiss saw it that way. The bottom line is we all have to share the roads and make the best we can, be it of opportunity or allowing for others mistakes. A little consideration goes a long way but it does seem to get forgotten by some in their efforts to get wherever they want to be....

I agree completely.

Picking on the 2nd video was wrong in a few ways, the junction was clear - it was on pedestrian mode on all 4 roads at the junction - although as posted above, that wouldnt have stopped a pedestrian from being hit.

As for the ones in the box junction, my safety argument ALSO applies to that too, its all shades of grey as to whats right and wrong.

I just get wound up by the running red lights due to fact that I have been nearly hit by someone running a red light, as has my wife, and in both cases (separate incidents) it was the cyclist that yelled abuse

[fizzwheel]

As well as Mr Walky-Muppet,

Is that a patented or trade marked name, or can anybody use it.

Some cyclists are like lemmings, often I'm astounded at what some of them get up to and then get all righteous about on the pedal bike forum I'm a member of.

One thread I read is that somebody was actually arguing that it was safer for him to jump a red light than it was to sit at a stop line and wait, Darwism at its finest I think.

I shant stick up for those muppets, but I will add that we're not all like that ;)

[Red Herring]

Anyone on here actually in the Met? Why don't they try and do something about cyclists running red lights. I'd have thought that something as high profile, with allegedly so many casualties attributed to it, would be worth tasking a few student officers to. Wouldn't exactly be difficult, one stood either side of the junction calling jobs to each other...

[SoulKiss]

Anyone on here actually in the Met? Why don't they try and do something about cyclists running red lights. I'd have thought that something as high profile, with allegedly so many casualties attributed to it, would be worth tasking a few student officers to. Wouldn't exactly be difficult, one stood either side of the junction calling jobs to each other...

I have only ever seen/heard of the City of London Police stopping cyclists.

Its the thin edge of the wedge in my opinion, they get away with running red lights, so they try one-way streets etc. (Hello Mr Cameron)

I once had a cyclist swerve out in front of me as a bus indicated to stop, he then proceeded to tell me its MY responsibility to not hit him, even if he moves without looking/signalling.

[Red Herring]

True, but not wishing to sound like a smartarse if I saw a bus in front of me stopping with a cyclist behind I'd be expecting the cyclist to pull out. Perhaps I just look at things differently to you guys, maybe that's why I don't seem to have the dramas you do?
That sounds really arrogant doesn't it......but just an alternative view. We need to be smarter than them, that way they can't involve us in their mistakes....

[SoulKiss]

True, but not wishing to sound like a smartarse if I saw a bus in front of me stopping with a cyclist behind I'd be expecting the cyclist to pull out. Perhaps I just look at things differently to you guys, maybe that's why I don't seem to have the dramas you do?
That sounds really arrogant doesn't it......but just an alternative view. We need to be smarter than them, that way they can't involve us in their mistakes....

Indeed - and the fact that I have never hit a cyclist shows that I do this.

However I should not HAVE to do this.

THEY should be aware of their surroundings.

THEY should leave appropriate space between themselves and other vehicles.

THEY should be aware of the rules of the road and follow them.

Anyone on the road, who by their actions cause me to have to brake or alter course is, in my opinion, wrong.

[Red Herring]

THEY should have to take some kind of instruction, and perhaps pass a test......in my day it was called cycle proficiency. Mind you motorcyclists and drivers have to take tests and it doesn't stop them being idiots either.

Nope sorry, don't rely on anyone else to make the roads safer, just rise to the challenge yourself. Whenever someone does something stupid in front of me I just roll my eyes, ride around them, and go on my way looking forward to the next pocket of excitement. Life is to short to get wound up by others. Peace, serenity and horsepower....that's my moto!

[SoulKiss]

THEY should have to take some kind of instruction, and perhaps pass a test......in my day it was called cycle proficiency. Mind you motorcyclists and drivers have to take tests and it doesn't stop them being idiots either.

Nope sorry, don't rely on anyone else to make the roads safer, just rise to the challenge yourself. Whenever someone does something stupid in front of me I just roll my eyes, ride around them, and go on my way looking forward to the next pocket of excitement. Life is to short to get wound up by others. Peace, serenity and horsepower....that's my moto!

They should at the least have to do a CBT style thing.

They should also have to have insurance, its not the 1st time I have read on here that a cyclist caused an incident then rode off, leaving someone with scratched up fairings/broken levers and the like.

[Sosha]

What next? insurance for pedestrians?

[SoulKiss]

What next? insurance for pedestrians?

Ohhhhh, dont get me STARTED on pedestrians..................

[fizzwheel]

They should also have to have insurance, its not the 1st time I have read on here that a cyclist caused an incident then rode off, leaving someone with scratched up fairings/broken levers and the like.

Some peeps do, if you join one of the british cycling associations, you can pay something like £15 that covers yourself and third parties.

Its just that not many people know about it.

If you made insurance mandatory how would you enforce it ? Same goes for licensing, so what cyclists would end up with a numberplate on their pedal bikes ?

What would be better is education for cyclists so that part of buying a new bike from a shop includes some form of basic instruction. I've seen people who cant even use their gears, dont know how to pedal etc etc. Its shocking. Let alone them having any road sense.

Also what would be better is tolerance for other road users, its a two way thing, cyclists pay more attention and other road users leave a little more room and not barge past to overtake etc etc.

Of course what would be better is a proper network of cycle paths so that nobody needed to cycle on the road in the first place, such as the sustrans path between bath and bristol which runs along an dis-used railway track bed.

But this all costs money...

[Red Herring]

Insurance isn't the issue, most pedestrians and cyclists have probably got enough dosh to pay up for a fairing and levers if they were held responsible. Small claims courts are wonderfully efficient.... The problem is getting that far, as Soulkiss said they just ride off, and cannot be traced. Perhaps cyclist and pedestrians should start displaying registration numbers......where will this stop. Wouldn't it just be easier for us to give them a bit more room and avoid the issues in the first place?