View Full Version : Christian Extremism
pencil shavings
04-06-08, 04:19 PM
This is meant in jehst
http://duggmirror.com/comedy/100_Greatest_Quotes_from_fundamentalist_christian_ chat_rooms/
some of the views expressed are so remarkably crazy!! made me laugh out loud a good few times.
Just laugh, dont get offended :D
SoulKiss
04-06-08, 04:30 PM
On another forum I am on this appeared under the thread heading of "Sorry Guys I am OUT"
Hey call me a racist or what ever.............. I am not cool hitting the chat button and all I see is islamic squiggles. I wanna talk about my M/C. Have heard on the news that extremists are using the free internet...........I thought that it was republican BS. Well after tonight I am giving a double bird and I am out. Bye guys. Flame me call me stupid I don't care. I am not going to see Cuba for free.What had happened was that that forum had a very rarely used chat-function, which had been misconfigured to have an Arabic language as the default instead of English....
Gotta love the Septics......
(It came across to me by the use of the term "islamic squiggles" as being religiously intolerant, and so thats why I put this in this thread)
yorkie_chris
04-06-08, 04:41 PM
Try christianforums.net or something like that if you want a giggle at some of the nutters.
To be fair, I've looked through a fair few of those comments, and had a good laugh (it saves being bored in the office).
I've also clicked the links to read the threads they came from. Turns out that 99% of the ones I've read, the quoted post has been seriously flamed by everyone below it.
So to echo YC's comments to any extremely religious people on the .Org, no need to take offence, the people posting opinions quoted have been rightly put to death on other forums.:rolleyes:
yorkie_chris
04-06-08, 05:16 PM
So to echo YC's comments to any extremely religious people on the .Org, no need to take offence,
Whooooooa there. Don't make me sound all tolerant, if anyone here believes the world is flat I fully intend to cause as much offence as possible! :-P
Teehee
pencil shavings
04-06-08, 05:23 PM
Whooooooa there. Don't make me sound all tolerant, if anyone here believes the world is flat I fully intend to cause as much offence as possible! :-P
Teehee
yep true..
but things like evolution, im not so convinced about (im not a christian btw) I think there is definatly another answer.
*here, have some kinderling, it will make the flaming easier lol*
yorkie_chris
04-06-08, 05:24 PM
Hehehe. Don't worry about it you're going to burn in hell anyway for trying to get stuck into a vegetarian :-P
pencil shavings
04-06-08, 05:27 PM
Hehehe. Don't worry about it you're going to burn in hell anyway for trying to get stuck into a vegetarian :-P
haha!! :p pic up btw
yorkie_chris
04-06-08, 05:30 PM
Yes I've not commented due to the U-rating :-P :-D
pencil shavings
04-06-08, 05:34 PM
Yes I've not commented due to the U-rating :-P :-D
haha
ah well, at least i will go to heaven on my way to hell! haha ;)
yorkie_chris
04-06-08, 05:35 PM
Die with a smile on yer face, there's worse ways to go :-D
pencil shavings
04-06-08, 05:39 PM
yet another derailed thread!! :rolleyes: lol
wyrdness
04-06-08, 05:52 PM
I've also clicked the links to read the threads they came from. Turns out that 99% of the ones I've read, the quoted post has been seriously flamed by everyone below it.
I reckon that a good proportion of these could be troll posts. However, don't underestimate the stupidity and malice of a very small number of fundamentalists (of all religions).
Just to get it back on track, I stumbled across this:
I am a bit troubled. I believe my son has a girlfriend, because she left a dirty magazine with men in it under his bed.
The woman seemed genuinely concerned that her son is dating at a "young" age (16) and being secretive. Oh dear!
yorkie_chris
04-06-08, 05:56 PM
I remember looking at that one. I think the next post was something like "#snigger# ... do you want to tell her, or shall I?"
Always good for a laugh
Maybe this one should be in the "Interesting Fact of the day" thread...
'Science' consists of a weird, way-out occult concoction of jibberish theory-theology... nothing good has ever come from 'science' --- In fact, technology is not in any way related to the web of idiotic scientific theory. ALL inventors have been anti-science.
...
The Fact the Earth is Flat is not my opinion, it is a Proved Fact!
pencil shavings
04-06-08, 06:03 PM
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm
I have just been told this is an amazing film by my brother, so I trust his judgement. Religion and conspiracy related. Will watch it properly tomorrow.
the talking at the start is borring and 5 mins long, but get passed that, should be enlightening (not that im saying I will agree with everything in it)
arenalife
04-06-08, 06:35 PM
At least they don't cut your head off if you disagree.
DanAbnormal
04-06-08, 07:36 PM
Religion. What a load of cobblers.
Rhiwbina_Squirrel
04-06-08, 07:54 PM
Haha. This stuff is a load of poo! I could quote loads but one that made me laugh A LOT was this :
I can sum it all up in three words: Evolution is a lie
JohnR7
Alex
the_lone_wolf
04-06-08, 07:56 PM
At least they don't cut your head off if you disagree.
*cough*
crusades
*cough*
;)
pencil shavings
04-06-08, 08:05 PM
*cough*
crusades
*cough*
;)
haha :winner:
but on a serious note, there is so much interesting mythical stuff out there. I personally find it really interesting, regardless of the truth behind it.
Tim in Belgium
04-06-08, 08:16 PM
Flying spaghetti monster for me ;)
All the stuff on there is rather extreme. However I do believe that Christian fundamentalism is on the rise. I know a Christian vet who disbelieves in evolution. The local Anglican church, where we used to worship, was always a bit evangelical. That suited me OK. But then it started getting increasingly charismatic, I didn't like all the visions and prophesying, and strangers suddenly laying hands and praying in loud voices, so we have voted with our feet. I feel sad about it: I feel driven out, and we have yet to find another Church that really suits, but no way could I out up with some of the superstitious claptrap. Many of the Anglican churches in this town are similar, so much so that it's no longer Anglicans who attend but disaffected Barnabas people, house church folks, etc. Fundamentalism is pretty much the next stop.
disaffected Barnabas people, stop.
I mis-read that as 'banana's' people:D
Maybe my brain was pointing out it should have said that, on second thoughts;)
the_lone_wolf
04-06-08, 08:27 PM
there is so much interesting mythical stuff out thereyou mean mystical, although mythical is probably more appropriate ;)
i guess you could say i'm a fairly hardcore skeptic, i'm not anti-religion per se, it's none of my business if people want to believe in magic or invisible friends, but if you look at the cause of conflicts in this world they are generally about three things: money, power or who's god is right, and the third provides a great cover for the first two...
pencil shavings
04-06-08, 08:39 PM
you mean mystical, although mythical is probably more appropriate ;)
which is exactly why I said mythical :p
yep, religion = top cause of war. And i didnt need my degree to tell me that!! 8-)
Religion. What a load of cobblers.
Christianity - what a load of carpenters...
... well, OK, one.:rolleyes:
yep, religion = top cause of war. And i didnt need my degree to tell me that!! 8-)
Then I'm afraid that you didn't listen closely in lectures.
It's people who cause wars, occasionally using religion as an excuse. I don't read anywhere in the New Testament that Jesus told people to wage war against people who are not Christian.
War is nothing to do with religion, it's to do with greed.
I don't read anywhere in the New Testament that Jesus told people to wage war against people who are not Christian.
Maybe it's in the Old Testament section then? :rolleyes:
But no, I agree, it's all about money. Afterall, it makes the world go around! Even if the dispute is about land, it's about money.
Take the recent Iran/Israel argument about nuclear weapons, that's money too. The Israeli guy just wants to stay in power (and therefore get paid).
Ancient Greek philosophy
The Golden Rule was a common principle in ancient Greek philosophy. A few examples:
"Do not to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." (Pittacus)[2]
"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." (Thales)[3]
"What you wish your neighbors to be to you, such be also to them." (Sextus the Pythagorean)[4]
"Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." (Isocrates)[5]
"What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others." (Epictetus)[6]
Religion
Global ethic
Main article: Towards a Global Ethic: An Initial Declaration
The "Declaration Toward a Global Ethic"[7] from the Parliament of the World€™s Religions[8] (1993) proclaimed the Golden Rule (both in negative and positive form) as the common principle for many religions.[9] The Initial Declaration was signed by 143 leaders from different faith traditions and spiritual communities.[9]
Buddhism
The eight-spoked Dharmacakra.
Putting oneself in the place of another,
one should not kill nor cause another to kill.[10]
One who, while himself seeking happiness, oppresses with violence other
beings who also desire happiness, will not attain happiness hereafter.[11]
In addition, the Dalai Lama has stated:
If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.[12]
Baha'i Faith
The Ringstone symbol represents humanity's connection to God
From the sacred scriptures of the Baha'i Faith:
"Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, and say not that which thou doest not." Baha'u'llah.[13][14][15]
"Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself." Baha'u'llah;[16][17]
"And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself." Baha'u'llah.[18][19]
Christianity
Ichthys
Within Christian circles, the ethic of reciprocity is often called the "Golden Rule". Christianity adopted the ethic from two edicts, found in Leviticus 19:18 ("Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.") and Leviticus 19:34 ("But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God"). Crucially, Leviticus 19:34 universalizes the edict of Leviticus 19:18 from "one of your people" to all of humankind.
Several passages in the New Testament quote Jesus of Nazareth espousing the ethic of reciprocity, including the following:
Matthew 7:12
"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."
Luke 6:27-36
Love Your Enemies
27 "But I say to you who listen: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
28 Bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
29 If anyone hits you on the cheek, offer the other also. And if anyone takes away your coat, don't hold back your shirt either.
30 Give to everyone who asks from you, and from one who takes away your things, don't ask for them back.
31 Just as you want others to do for you, do the same for them.
32 If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
33 If you do [what is] good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that.
34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners to be repaid in full.
35 But love your enemies, do [what is] good, and lend, expecting nothing in return. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is gracious to the ungrateful and evil.
36 Be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful."
Luke 10:25-28
25 Just then a lawyer stood up to test Jesus. €˜Teacher,€™ he said, €˜what must I do to inherit eternal life?€™
26He said to him, €˜What is written in the law? What do you read there?€™
27He answered, €˜You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself.€™
28And he said to him, €˜You have given the right answer; do this, and you will live.€™
Jesus then proceeds to tell the parable of the Good Samaritan, making it clear that "your neighbour" means any other person.
Confucianism
Confucius said in The Analects:
Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself. Analects XV.24, tr. David Hinton
Aum symbol
Hinduism
The Golden rule appears in the Mahabharata, where Vrihaspati says:
That man who regards all creatures as his own self, and behaves towards them as towards his own self, laying aside the rod of chastisement and completely subjugating his wrath, succeeds in attaining to happiness.[20]
In addition to the law of karma, the Bhagavad Gita contains a dialogue between Krishna and Arjuna with the statement:
That one I love who is incapable of ill will, And returns love for hatred.[21]
As portrayed by Swami Vivekanand- Do good and forget, don't expect any reward[citation needed].
Islam
In his Last Sermon, the Prophet Muhammad admonished believers:
* "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you."
Jeffrey Wattles holds that the ethic of reciprocity appears in the following statements attributed to Muhammad: [22]
* €œWoe to those . . . who, when they have to receive by measure from men, exact full measure, but when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due€[23]
* The Qur'an commends "those who show their affection to such as came to them for refuge and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter), but give them preference over themselves"[24]
* €œNone of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.€[25]
* "Seek for mankind that of which you are desirous for yourself, that you may be a believer; treat well as a neighbor the one who lives near you, that you may be a Muslim [one who submits to God]."[26]
* €œThat which you want for yourself, seek for mankind.€[26]
* "The most righteous of men is the one who is glad that men should have what is pleasing to himself, and who dislikes for them what is for him disagreeable."[26]
[edit] Jainism
The hand with a wheel on the palm symbolizes the Jain Vow of Ahimsa. The word in the middle is "ahimsa". The wheel represents the dharmacakra which stands for the resolve to halt the cycle of reincarnation through relentless pursuit of truth and non-violence.
The hand with a wheel on the palm symbolizes the Jain Vow of Ahimsa. The word in the middle is "ahimsa". The wheel represents the dharmacakra which stands for the resolve to halt the cycle of reincarnation through relentless pursuit of truth and non-violence.
Jainism
In Jainism, the ethic of reciprocity is firmly embedded in its entire philosophy and can be seen in its clearest form in the doctrines of Ahimsa and Karma
* Following quotation from the Acaranga Sutra sums up the philosophy of Jainism :
€œ
Nothing which breathes, which exists, which lives, or which has essence or potential of life, should be destroyed or ruled over, or subjugated, or harmed, or denied of its essence or potential.
In support of this Truth, I ask you a question - "Is sorrow or pain desirable to you ?" If you say "yes it is", it would be a lie. If you say, "No, It is not" you will be expressing the truth. Just as sorrow or pain is not desirable to you, so it is to all which breath, exist, live or have any essence of life. To you and all, it is undesirable, and painful, and repugnant.[27]
€
* Suman Suttam[28] gives further insight into this percepts:-
All the living beings wish to live and not to die; that is why unattached saints prohibit the killing of living beings.
€”Suman Suttam , verse 148
Just as pain is not agreeable to you, it is so with others. Knowing this principle of equality treat other with respect and compassion.
€”Suman Suttam , verse 150
Killing a living being is killing one's own self; showing compassion to a living being is showing compassion to oneself. He who desires his own good, should avoid causing any harm to a living being.
€”Suman Suttam , verse 151
Judaism
Star of David above the Ten Commandments
The ethic of reciprocity is set forth in Leviticus 19:18 ("You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your countrymen. Love your fellow as yourself: I am the LORD." [29]) and Leviticus 19:34 ("The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I the LORD am your God."[29]). Leviticus 19:34 is important because it universalizes the edict of Leviticus 19:18 from "one of your people" to all of humankind.
The Sage Hillel formulated the Golden Rule in order to illustrate the underlying principles of Jewish moral law:[30]
That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.[31]
Rabbi Akiba ben Joseph emphasized the importance of Leviticus 19:18.
Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Not surprisingly, Israel's postal service quoted from this verse when it commemorated the Universal Declaration of Human Rights on a 1958 postage stamp.[1]
[edit] Taoism
The Taijitu, symbol of yin and yang.
The Taijitu, symbol of yin and yang.
* "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien.
* "The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." Tao Teh Ching, Chapter 49
So if all the major religions have pretty much the same ethics, why are people killing each other? Because people use religion for their own ends
So if all the major religions have pretty much the same ethics, why are people killing each other? Because people use religion for their own ends
Absolutely.
the_lone_wolf
04-06-08, 09:08 PM
Maybe it's in the Old Testament section then? :rolleyes:
don't forget you can edit out the parts of the bible you don't feel you agree with, and feel free to interpret the many times translated scriptures to mean whatever suits your own morals best;)
http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/occamsrazorbu0.jpg
pencil shavings
04-06-08, 09:13 PM
Then I'm afraid that you didn't listen closely in lectures.
It's people who cause wars, occasionally using religion as an excuse. I don't read anywhere in the New Testament that Jesus told people to wage war against people who are not Christian.
War is nothing to do with religion, it's to do with greed.
yes true. Im aware that religion is the excuse and man commits the act.
Im sure there are interpretations of Christianty that are militant, same as there are militant muslims.
Wars not always to do with greed directly one could argue. Just that victory inevitably brings economic reward. possibly. :rabbit:
pencil shavings
04-06-08, 09:13 PM
don't forget you can edit out the parts of the bible you don't feel you agree with, and feel free to interpret the many times translated scriptures to mean whatever suits your own morals best;)
http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/occamsrazorbu0.jpg
:D:winner: love it!
The model shows that atheism has failed to develop. In thousands of years. Indicative to me of closed minds, heads in sand. Incidentally, LW, as you posted it, please explain to me - what is this religion called 'Protestantism'?
And PS - war is ALWAYS to do with greed. Where religion is not being used as an excuse, then look at those interminable African civil wars - it's usually gun running, diamond smuggling, or some other economic interest.
yorkie_chris
04-06-08, 10:44 PM
War: Not exactly to do with money, land or religion. It's about power. Land is a good way to earn money, money is a path to power. Religion sidesteps money, though also uses it (tithes in ye olde times)
Politics is similar, throwing turds at your opponent and ensuring none sticks to you while kissing ar$e is a route to power.
yorkie_chris
04-06-08, 10:51 PM
The model shows that atheism has failed to develop. In thousands of years. Indicative to me of closed minds, heads in sand.
Is complexity the same as development?
Compare the shape of a sopwith camel with a B2 spirit :-P
the_lone_wolf
04-06-08, 11:01 PM
The model shows that atheism has failed to develop. In thousands of years. Indicative to me of closed minds, heads in sand. Incidentally, LW, as you posted it, please explain to me - what is this religion called 'Protestantism'?
look at the top of the (humorously intended) image and you'll see it says "major branches within christianity" and not major branches of religions - there is no religion called "protestantism" - protestantism is simply one of the myriad of separate groups who choose to chop and change slightly different parts of the bible to suit their own ideas of what "christianity" stands for
funny you should say that atheism has "failed to develop" - precisely how would atheism develop? the belief that there is no god doesn't really change, other than something happening like real proof that god exists (not flawed religious logic). closed mindedness would be an atheist clinging to the idea that god doesn't exist when the overwhelming evidence points to the opposite, or a theist proclaiming faith in a deity where all the evidence supports a conclusion that said deity doesn't exist...
while we're on the subject of failing to develop:
http://gracefulflavor.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/2007-01-15-science-vs-faith.png
;)
Alpinestarhero
05-06-08, 09:00 AM
P-S, that was great! I liked the post about the woman who found a son's "girlfreinds" dirty magazine with men in it under his bed
hehehehe
And, err...there was a post about how christians should only read the bible in english print...as translation into other langauses may loose "correct" info....but wasnt it all originally written in latin?
Matt
Warthog
05-06-08, 09:20 AM
Hahaha lone wolf those pictures are hilarious!
Rhiwbina_Squirrel
05-06-08, 09:27 AM
P-S, that was great! I liked the post about the woman who found a son's "girlfreinds" dirty magazine with men in it under his bed
hehehehe
And, err...there was a post about how christians should only read the bible in english print...as translation into other langauses may loose "correct" info....but wasnt it all originally written in latin?
Matt
I'm not sure at all but would've thought it was in arabic if anything.
Alex
SoulKiss
05-06-08, 09:30 AM
I'm not sure at all but would've thought it was in arabic if anything.
Alex
Dont you mean "Islamic squiggles" ???? :P:smt028
Rhiwbina_Squirrel
05-06-08, 09:32 AM
Dont you mean "Islamic squiggles" ???? :P:smt028
Sorry, good point. Thanks for the correction;)
Alex
the_lone_wolf
05-06-08, 02:59 PM
but wasnt it all originally written in latin?
don't think any bits were written in latin, i'd imagine different parts of the bible would have been written originally in different languages depending on when the books were written (they weren't written in the order they appear in the "modern" bible) and what part of the middle east they were written in
considering islam, judaism and christianity are actually based on the same story about abraham and his wife sarah (and his egyption sex slave hagar, who said the bible was dry?) it's amazing how keen they are at saying the other two are wrong, i think roy zimmerman sums it up quite well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anXp5TOUb5w
northwind
05-06-08, 03:17 PM
Roy Zimmerman always sums it up quite well :dj:
P-S, that was great! I liked the post about the woman who found a son's "girlfreinds" dirty magazine with men in it under his bed
hehehehe
And, err...there was a post about how christians should only read the bible in english print...as translation into other langauses may loose "correct" info....but wasnt it all originally written in latin?
Matt
Was it not Hebrew?
wyrdness
05-06-08, 03:56 PM
Was it not Hebrew?
IIRC, OT - Hebrew, NT - Greek
vBulletin® , Copyright ©2000-2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.