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.... on facebook theres a petition on the e-petion bit of the downing street web page thingy...anyways its here...
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Lowerduty30/
Yeah noticed it.
Whats it going to take to get cheaper fuel?
I think rolling road blocks like the go slow rides shave been most effective but is any of it going to make a change?
Also just reading the doc, what is a "acceptable level"? Could be a wide span of prices dependant on who you ask.
i doubt it'l ever get back to 95p, but if it were nearer to the pound mark then that wont b 2 bad.
I remember it being 84p a litre, thats only 2 years ago aswell.
I remember it being 84p a litre, thats only 2 years ago aswell.
84p? i never knew it were that low.
Listen carefully I will only say this once, one day in the near future we will look back on today's price and think it was cheap. I'm not kidding either.
Filipe M.
11-06-08, 08:18 PM
Listen carefully I will only say this once, one day in the near future we will look back on today's price and think it was cheap. I'm not kidding either.
As much as it saddens me to say, you're oh so right...
I remember when it got to £2 a gallon and we all had a Hissey
arenalife
11-06-08, 08:25 PM
I'm ****ed off with even thinking about it any more to be honest, a bit like the workmate who moans about his bad back all the time. It is what it is and won't be changed by a few dawdling truckers, the winners are those who can find alternatives to their dependence on it or reduce their need.
As high as it is, it's still a fair way from making you decide whether to drive to work or go without food / electric etc. It would probably have to triple before it became really serious and the car would be a supreme luxury to use on Sundays etc.
northwind
11-06-08, 08:42 PM
I'm going to get a knuckleduster made up which says "petrol tax per litre is lower in 2008 than in 2000", only in reverse, and I'm going to use it to punch anyone who blames the government for the current fuel prices so hard in the forehead that for the rest of their lives whenever they look in the mirror they get a reminder of the truth of fuel duty :smt003 I'm going to start with every newspaper faithfully reporting lies as news.
To reduce fuel to what most people seem to consider an "acceptable" level, lets say 90p- would cost about 10 billion pounds per annum in lost tax revenue. More than 1/8th of the total education budget, or 1/10th of the NHS, if you want to go cost cutting. These are the roughest back-of-envelope numbers ever btw but they're realistic.
ThEGr33k
11-06-08, 10:37 PM
It was like 76p when I passed... Grrrrr.
Yeah noticed it.
Whats it going to take to get cheaper fuel?
I think rolling road blocks like the go slow rides shave been most effective but is any of it going to make a change?
Voting in a different govenment si the only thing to change it. Other than that, we have 2 hopes, and one of them is dead!
start targeting the oil bosses, killone , kill the one who replaces him after untill they cut prices, destroy refinarys, pipes etc, they might get the message we are ****ed off then!!
It would not actually be that hard to launch a terrorist attack against these big comapnies.
84p? i never knew it were that low.
I remeber when it was per gallon and we had 4 star and 2 star!! I have an old photo that shows fuel being £1.62 a gallon for 4 star!
And when i bought my sv in 2000 it was £10.50 to fill it up. Ahhhhh, the memories. My 1st car when i passed 20 years ago cost me £25 to fill up! That was a 2L Toyota.
The worst thing that happened was going metric. When it was per gallon, it used to go up, say, 2p a gallon in the budget, its now 2p Per Litre, which is 9.2p per gallon.
And you wonder why people dont want the euro!!
start targeting the oil bosses, killone , kill the one who replaces him after untill they cut prices, destroy refinarys, pipes etc, they might get the message we are ****ed off then!!
It would not actually be that hard to launch a terrorist attack against these big comapnies.
Great idea. Make fuel even more scarse, then that will really push the price though the roof. I balme China!
dizzyblonde
12-06-08, 09:12 AM
FUEL PROTEST DAY 22ND JUNE.....its a SUNDAY
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourc...test+22nd+june (http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4HPEB_en-GBGB213GB213&q=fuel+protest+22nd+june)
nope, things aren't getting any easier, and, when you've had a wage cut of 200 quid a month and your tax credits have halved because its all calculated on the previous years earnings, it makes your blood boil:smt013:smt013:smt013
I have to keep a roof over my sons head on my own, pay the mortgage, pay ctax, utility bills etc etc. Just the same as any one else, but i have nobody to share it all with and right now I feel like sitting with everyone else on that sunday and skiving work!!!!
copied from the other fuel thread....cause I'm annoyed by paying too much on everything, AND PETROL!
the euro!!
Great idea. Make fuel even more scarse, then that will really push the price though the roof. I balme China!
not if after the first couple of CEO , directors etc have been killed and they pay attention.
Filipe M.
12-06-08, 09:29 AM
not if after the first couple of CEO , directors etc have been killed and they pay attention.
:rolleyes: because it really works like that...
DoubleD
12-06-08, 09:32 AM
I remember a day when it only cost me £36 to fill up the car, now I can get just over £60 in the same car!!!!!!
:rolleyes: because it really works like that...
err i think its got a better chance than wondering down the M4 at 5MPH!!! think about it, IF you were to top the top few guys in all the major oilcompanies and the ones that replace them and the ones that relace them and so. Do you really think aynoe would want that job if they knew it came with a death sentance unless they donesomething about their prices and working on new oil from harder to reach places??
Filipe M.
12-06-08, 09:37 AM
err i think its got a better chance than wondering down the M4 at 5MPH!!! think about it, IF you were to top the top few guys in all the major oilcompanies and the ones that replace them and the ones that relace them and so. Do you really think aynoe would want that job if they knew it came with a death sentance unless they donesomething about their prices and working on new oil from harder to reach places??
So is there a big picture I'm missing out on or something?
So is there a big picture I'm missing out on or something?
how do you mean?
At the end of the day, fuel prices are based on supply and demand. Ok, theres the tax that we pay in the uk, but a barrel of crude is not as cheap as it was, and thats that. To generalise a little bit here, but it seems that since China started becoming this almighty productive nation, oil has slowly started to rise. China at the moment are bleeding the earth dry of its resources, making things more and more scarse. They are also one of the lagest, if not the largest poluting countries int he world.
So if you want to balme anyone, blame China!
As i said elsewhere, another 5p on a litre for me will make more financial sense to get the train to work. So, about a months time then :(
Filipe M.
12-06-08, 09:43 AM
All I can see right now is responding to increasing fuel prices with violence and terror. How exactly would that drive prices down without creating a full blown war?
So if you want to balme anyone, blame China!
:(
All I can see right now is responding to increasing fuel prices with violence and terror. How exactly would that drive prices down without creating a full blown war?
I wonder how long it wil be before the USA realise this and decide to go to war with china to stop it????
WW3 anyone??
at least it will keep me in employment right till the end.
Filipe M.
12-06-08, 09:49 AM
I wonder how long it wil be before the USA realise this and decide to go to war with china to stop it????
Oh, my bad, I thought we were talking about intelligent human beings. Sorry for that, must be because it's morning.
And actually the USA won't be going to war with China anytime soon... not when their whole economy is depending on them. Unless they can nuke them all in one fell swoop ;)
philbut
12-06-08, 09:52 AM
I wonder how long it wil be before the USA realise this and decide to go to war with china to stop it????
WW3 anyone??
at least it will keep me in employment right till the end.
Unfortunatly mate I have to agree. I think it is hightly likely that there will be some major conflict related to control of resources. And Russia holds the vast majority of the worlds natural gas supples, which will become far more important than oil as time moves on as a source of power generation. We already but a lot of gas from them, as does most of europe. Nuclear plants are a good 15 years from being fully up and running, and most coal fired stations are coming to the end of their lifetime - more demand for gas?
Pedrosa
12-06-08, 09:57 AM
Much as duty on fuel irks people it is a fact of life that has been around for years and inherited and carried on by subsequent governments of all persuasions.Therefore the government is not at fault for the present crisis. Maybe one should ponder how the economy will have it's cup refilled if the duty were reduced? Anyone for increase in personal tax?? Let's close half of the schools and hospitals,that should do it?
There is some fault caused by the scaremongering about supply and demand,the resource of course cannot sustain forever the increasing demand we place on it. The present dilemma is in part caused by the speculaters and traders with their paper trading deals. They make lots of cash whilst the end user eventually suffers from his pocket.
Instead of us alienating the Middle Eastern Nations, we should be courting them like never before. Just take a look at the reserves that OPEC have and where some 40+ % of the worlds oil reserves are, it's frightening. That is the key to all of this.
OPEC spokesman recently suggested that he cannot see why the present barrel price for crude oil should not be $60 to 70. It could simply be that he is being very mischievous and rubbing his belly as he chuckles as the non OPEC aligned nations struggle over this commodity.
. Unless they can nuke them all in one fell swoop ;)
worryingly I think they have the capability!! :confused:
not in political debate, but has anyone other then me actually signed the petition?
Pedrosa
12-06-08, 10:04 AM
worryingly I think they have the capability!! :confused:
Highly unlikely. One thing the U.S.A does not want to do is get involved in any kind of conflict with China. The mere body numbers the Chinese could throw at that is incredible. I would not for one second doubt that the chinese themselves have Nuke capabilities also.
Though it might pain us, we need the chinese more than you could imagine. Remove them from the world economy and the cost of fuel would be the least of our concerns.
welcome back mr Pedrosa, where you been hiding?
Filipe M.
12-06-08, 10:07 AM
Highly unlikely. One thing the U.S.A does not want to do is get involved in any kind of conflict with China. The mere body numbers the Chinese could throw at that is incredible. I would not for one second doubt that the chinese themselves have Nuke capabilities themselves also.
Though it might pain us, we need the chinese more than you could imagine. Remove them from the world economy and the cost of fuel would be the least of our concerns.
+1.
Pedrosa
12-06-08, 10:07 AM
welcome back mr Pedrosa, where you been hiding?
Hi Sarge!
I have been busy riding a roller coaster of frustration and stress over recent months and so thought best not to cloud the forum.
Hi Sarge!
I have been busy riding a roller coaster of frustration and stress over recent months and so thought best not to cloud the forum.
well glad you could join us,i look forward to your input once again.
Warthog
12-06-08, 10:23 AM
Oh dear there are some horrendously worrying things going on in this thread. The high price of petrol is ultimately due simply to the fact that oil is running out. Even with China's massive increase in demand, if oil was like sea water, nobody would be having any problems. How can anyone blame China for developing? They are doing what Britain and America have done, it would be majorly hypocritical of us to want to "nuke" them because their economy is flourishing. Its also hard to beleive that some people seem to have forgotten how utterly terrible a world war is?! Anyway, I'm sure (I hope) that noone here actually wants the US to attack China, as the consequences of that would be a thousand times worse than expensive petrol. In summary, it is a global problem that China is going to have to face too, and we need to ALL live a lot greener and a lot less opulent with regards to fossil fuels if we don't want the earth to turn into a massive polluted cesspit Mad Max scenario.
fizzwheel
12-06-08, 10:28 AM
Ithe winners are those who can find alternatives to their dependence on it or reduce their need.
Which is what Liz and I are doing. We've got rid off one motorbike and one of our cars has gone.
I now cycle to work which saves money. Liz has started using the Diesel car to get to work instead of the bike as even with the high cost of diesel its still saving us money each month.
We've been talking about Liz getting a job closer to home so that it cuts down the amount of commuting miles she does.
We've even taken to using the pusher to cycle into town to go and do shopping etc.
We're a nation of lazy b*ggers who live miles away from where we work, there are other forms of transport available, its just none are as convenient as the car is. If you want to save money you have to make sacrifices.
I watched the traffic the other day when I was cycling home. I beat most of the cars to my house and was going along the cycle lane adjacent to the road faster than the cars were. Also I dont have to stress about finding somehere to park when I get to work now either.
It took a huge culture change in me to do this and it wasnt an easy thing to do, but it can be done if you make some effort. Perhaps thats whats wrong with our society, we'd all rather moan about it, than do something constructive to change the way we live our lives...
Pedrosa
12-06-08, 10:30 AM
On the oil issue, the only way one can ever see the barrel crude price deflate is by customer pressure. In that those countries that need to import it, draw a line as to the price they are willing to pay. Getting to that point would of course mean a lot of pain for the people of those countries.
The flip side to that of course is that the producers refuse to drop the price or worse, when the importers are forced in to submission,they end up paying a highly inflated price as the producers seek to refill their coffers following the customer demonstration in order to make up what they lost whilst the dipute went on.
There is no quick fix or totally painless answer to this situation that I can see. One way might be for technology to improve so that the lesser quality crude oil can be used more for the likes of gas oil and petrol. If that happens then Brent would be of more value and other oil fields whose barrel price is much lower presently due to it's limited usage.
Filipe M.
12-06-08, 10:31 AM
Perhaps thats whats wrong with our society, we'd all rather moan about it, than do something constructive to change the way we live our lives...
Couldn't agree more. In more ways than one.
Warthog
12-06-08, 10:37 AM
Which is what Liz and I are doing. We've got rid off one motorbike and one of our cars has gone.
I now cycle to work which saves money. Liz has started using the Diesel car to get to work instead of the bike as even with the high cost of diesel its still saving us money each month.
We've been talking about Liz getting a job closer to home so that it cuts down the amount of commuting miles she does.
We've even taken to using the pusher to cycle into town to go and do shopping etc.
We're a nation of lazy b*ggers who live miles away from where we work, there are other forms of transport available, its just none are as convenient as the car is. If you want to save money you have to make sacrifices.
I watched the traffic the other day when I was cycling home. I beat most of the cars to my house and was going along the cycle lane adjacent to the road faster than the cars were. Also I dont have to stress about finding somehere to park when I get to work now either.
It took a huge culture change in me to do this and it wasnt an easy thing to do, but it can be done if you make some effort. Perhaps thats whats wrong with our society, we'd all rather moan about it, than do something constructive to change the way we live our lives...
=D> honestly well done. That is what we all need to do, it would ease so much congestion and petrol demand in this country. I am trying to find alternatives to getting to work (although I work 16 miles away in a field so it is hard) and I am seriously rethinking using the car to just jet around visiting friends and making pleasure journeys. There is talk of my work moving to Oxford centre in which caswe I could cycle and save money and get fit at the same time. I would be overjoyed.
Gazza77
12-06-08, 11:46 AM
Which is what Liz and I are doing. We've got rid off one motorbike and one of our cars has gone.
I now cycle to work which saves money. Liz has started using the Diesel car to get to work instead of the bike as even with the high cost of diesel its still saving us money each month.
We've been talking about Liz getting a job closer to home so that it cuts down the amount of commuting miles she does.
We've even taken to using the pusher to cycle into town to go and do shopping etc.
We're a nation of lazy b*ggers who live miles away from where we work, there are other forms of transport available, its just none are as convenient as the car is. If you want to save money you have to make sacrifices.
I watched the traffic the other day when I was cycling home. I beat most of the cars to my house and was going along the cycle lane adjacent to the road faster than the cars were. Also I dont have to stress about finding somehere to park when I get to work now either.
It took a huge culture change in me to do this and it wasnt an easy thing to do, but it can be done if you make some effort. Perhaps thats whats wrong with our society, we'd all rather moan about it, than do something constructive to change the way we live our lives...
I changed to getting the train to work a couple of years ago. Yes, it can take a bit longer and is occassionally late, but I gain exercise walking to and from the station and reduced stress from driving in rush hour traffic. I have also saved a fortune; £300pa on car insurance (now on a limited mileage policy), £20 per week in petrol (that's at 90p per litre as it was when I changed, would be around £26 now) and £30 per month in parking. That is offset against a current charge of £80 per month for a travel card, meaning I can travel anywhere within West Yorkshire on bus or train all week.
I'm actually in the process of going against current trends, and actually moving further away from where I work, due to buying with my girlfriend and her circumstances meaning she needs to stay local to her current location. Although my commute will be longer (around 1 1/2 hours each way), it will still be better than the alternative of trying to navigate the M62 at rush hour.
I hear you fizz and good on you. But lets face it, you still have 3 bikes, ok, you have one and liz 2 ;)
I think we do pretty well. Where we currently live we are blaessed with the fact that Verna can now get the tram to work, and i if it WAS cheaper, the train, but that will soon change! Yes we have 2 cars, and two bikes. But other than my bike getting used daily, both the cars sit there for most of the time. I have thought about getting rid of my car and vern her bike. Tesco is a 5 min walk and i only go once a month in the car due to the stuff we buy. Other than that, we'll happily walk there. We'll use the tram if needed to get to Croydon, but to go and see my mum it will take over an hour and a half to get there by transport and about 2 hours to get home thanks to transport 'slowing down' in the evenings!
I have thought about the cyle to work, but i just cant summon the motivation to do it.
fizzwheel
12-06-08, 01:27 PM
I hear you fizz and good on you. But lets face it, you still have 3 bikes, ok, you have one and liz 2 ;)
Erh no I have one but Liz has 3, still we have some room in the garage now.. I could get another !!
I have thought about the cyle to work, but i just cant summon the motivation to do it.
I know what you mean, I struggled with it for months before I got some fitness and it wasnt a case of struggling for breath at the first sign of any incline. But once you get over that first few weeks you'll start to enjoy it.
philbut
12-06-08, 01:31 PM
I only use fuel for pleasure purposes so I'm prepared to pay for that as its a hobby. I cycle or get public transport to work and on long journetys cos its just less stressfull and usually quicker, even than the bike if you factor in fuel stops, parking etc, but we have a very cheap bus service into London which is my usual destination if I'm going out. If / when the day comes I can't afford to run the bike I will be very sad, but then I will spend time making a bio-ethanol plant in my garage, of course, notifying the tax man first :smt077 the age of cheap energy is over, and to be honest, that is probably a good thing as people will never stop consuming until they are forced to think about it and hit where it hurts - ie in their wallet. I'm just as guilty of this as anyone else I might add.
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