Getting rid of chicken strips on the road

[muffles]

How many actually do this?

I have never quite gotten my tyres to the edge (right now there is a 5-ish mm band of untouched tyre each side) and this year I found a nice route near me which I intended to use to try and get rid of my strips (I'm in London btw so good routes are not that near and there may be others - I just looked it up on a map and tried it out).

However I cannot get rid of the last bit, but it's not really my confidence in cornering as such - it's just it'd be too quick for the roads for me to be happy with what I was doing - given none of the corners I can see all the way round (trees, etc).

I'm sure there are some roads out there that might be better (specifically, ones with 'sighted' corners) but speaking to a couple of people recently (one of whom used to race 2 strokes of some kind) they don't believe it's something you could/should be doing on the road.

I haven't done a track day yet - high on my list, just avoided it due to cost so far. Not stopping me for long though, it just needs me to convince myself.

So, is it me? Should I be going round faster? Or is it correct that you shouldn't try to get to the edge of your tyre on the road...

[Woz]

Never been able to do it myself either.

I usually find that unless I know a road REALLY well, I don't read the corners well enough to hit them a maximum speed. I slow down to what I think is a decent pace but half way round realise that I could have gone much faster.

Roundabouts are you're friend here. :D

[sv_rider1990]

Sand paper.... Applied right to the edge of the tire will get rid of them do it weekly as not to make them come back lol :D!

Or

LEAN THE BAD BOY OVER LAD! lol!

[muffles]

Sand paper.... Applied right to the edge of the tire will get rid of them do it weekly as not to make them come back lol :D!

Or

LEAN THE BAD BOY OVER LAD! lol!

Lol - this is my point - I can lean it over further but it wants to turn quicker (as you'd expect). Thus, I need to go faster through the corner - however that puts me outside of my comfort zone w.r.t. how much I can see, etc, and how safe it is. I think to get to ~5mm left it's not really a leaning issue...is it?!

Never been able to do it myself either.

I usually find that unless I know a road REALLY well, I don't read the corners well enough to hit them a maximum speed. I slow down to what I think is a decent pace but half way round realise that I could have gone much faster.

Roundabouts are you're friend here. :D

This is a good point and certainly is how I feel coming out of the corner - I just can't bring myself to go in any quicker - going in quicker I am more committed to a particular line and compromise my ability to adjust should there be anything I need to avoid. Did have a quick go on a nice roundabout but it was too busy & in any case I feel liike it's cheating lol.

I do know the roads fairly well but as above it puts me out of my comfort zone (considering safety) going round any quicker...

[krhall]

Don't worry about (IT) Muffles!!! Mine are about the width of the tyre, I just put it down to only having riden my for commuting purposes so I really don't know where the limits are.

If any of those runs go through Greenwich/Dartford give me a shout and I wouldn't mind trying to keep up!!!

[Stu]

For ****'s sake ride the road & not to your chicken strips.
Some tyres you can't get to the edge of. Nothing wrong with 5mm IMO.

[El Saxo]

I've been getting more confident on my commute home from work and leaning it further, but still don't think I'm ever likely to go right to the edge of the tyre on the road, though it's nice to know there probably is more grip / lean available, should I need it one day.
My tyres get squared off in next to no time though anyway, with all the motorway miles I do each week, so by the time I got rid of any chicken strips they'd just grow back after a week! :lol:

[muffles]

Don't worry about Muffles!!! Mine are about the width of the tyre, I just put it down to only having riden my for commuting purposes so I really don't know where the limits are.

If any of those runs go through Greenwich/Dartford give me a shout and I wouldn't mind trying to keep up!!!

What? Who's worrying about me? :D

The one I've been using is this http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=9867741485536747334,51.302990,-0.323900%3B1983186439161982562,51.301985,-0.329883%3B15703112228820142479,51.302814,-0.345352%3B15787814234975946391,51.340163,-0.455416%3B8497312190854109348,51.337600,-0.504050%3B2366881179342380307,51.418805,-0.641706&saddr=A245%2FBypass+Rd+%4051.302990,+-0.323900&daddr=A245%2FKingston+Rd+%4051.301985,+-0.329883+to:A245%2FRandalls+Rd+%4051.302814,+-0.345352+to:A245%2FByfleet+Rd+%4051.340163,+-0.455416+to:A245%2FOld+Woking+Rd+%4051.337600,+-0.504050+to:51.435711,-0.655403&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=5&sz=13&via=1,2,3,4&sll=51.425116,-0.634804&sspn=0.048381,0.138187&ie=UTF8&ll=51.315164,-0.414047&spn=0.193989,0.55275&z=11 (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=9867741485536747334,51.302990,-0.323900%3B1983186439161982562,51.301985,-0.329883%3B15703112228820142479,51.302814,-0.345352%3B15787814234975946391,51.340163,-0.455416%3B8497312190854109348,51.337600,-0.504050%3B2366881179342380307,51.418805,-0.641706&saddr=A245%2FBypass+Rd+%4051.302990,+-0.323900&daddr=A245%2FKingston+Rd+%4051.301985,+-0.329883+to:A245%2FRandalls+Rd+%4051.302814,+-0.345352+to:A245%2FByfleet+Rd+%4051.340163,+-0.455416+to:A245%2FOld+Woking+Rd+%4051.337600,+-0.504050+to:51.435711,-0.655403&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=5&sz=13&via=1,2,3,4&sll=51.425116,-0.634804&sspn=0.048381,0.138187&ie=UTF8&ll=51.315164,-0.414047&spn=0.193989,0.55275&z=11)

It's reasonable but isn't solely corners, however it's the best I could find on the map, that was near (ish) to me!

I was keeping an eye on that other thread of yours...would deffo be interested in finding a good route around Kent area so might just give you a shout ...maybe plan something from your other thread!

[muffles]

For ****'s sake ride the road & not to your chicken strips.
Some tyres you can't get to the edge of. Nothing wrong with 5mm IMO.

That's what I'm doing Stu! I am not saying the 5mm is "wrong", in fact I know it requires a fair bit of lean, but I am questioning whether I in fact have plenty of "room to spare" so to speak. Sounds like people are agreeing with the others I've spoken to that this isn't the case, which is fair enough - I just didn't know if it was just me.

[muffles]

That's what I'm doing Stu! I am not saying the 5mm is "wrong", in fact I know it requires a fair bit of lean, but I am questioning whether I in fact have plenty of "room to spare" so to speak. Sounds like people are agreeing with the others I've spoken to that this isn't the case, which is fair enough - I just didn't know if it was just me.

I should clarify - obviously it does depend on the road, but the question maybe could be put as "how common are roads where you could reasonably get to the edge?".

[ThEGr33k]

Lost mine... on the back, I think front in impossible tbh :D

Easiest way is a nice roundabout... But that only really helps the right side in most cases. Other way is to find a road like the cat and fiddle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hqDwi0lk-Y) (that's way north of you... UNLUCKY! :p) that you can see round the bends and the road surface is perfect for getting leaning and the power on EARLY! :)

[muffles]

I've been getting more confident on my commute home from work and leaning it further, but still don't think I'm ever likely to go right to the edge of the tyre on the road, though it's nice to know there probably is more grip / lean available, should I need it one day.
My tyres get squared off in next to no time though anyway, with all the motorway miles I do each week, so by the time I got rid of any chicken strips they'd just grow back after a week! :lol:

Heh, luckily (?) thi is on my fun bike so it only comes out for playing, the CBR takes all the commuting miles ;)

[fizzwheel]

what tyres you got ? As Stu says, it depends on the profile of the tyre sometimes to.

I managed to get right out the edge of a rear Michellin 2CT, but I cant get near the edge of the rear Diablo III.

[El Saxo]

Heh, luckily (?) thi is on my fun bike so it only comes out for playing, the CBR takes all the commuting miles ;)

hehe, my poor SV has to do it all, especially since I got rid of the cage.

What tyres do you have on the other bike? If they were full-on sports tyres I have to admit I'd be pretty tempted to try and get them all the way over. :lol: Not that I'm saying it's a good idea, mind... :wink:

[ThEGr33k]

Tyre pressure also effects it. So if you have it low it will get to the edge of the tyre dead fast... Not that its a good idea. Makes the bikes handling sloppy at best. :(

[krhall]

Oh fun bike I;ll never keep up with that pimped Honda C90!!!

[Ed]

what tyres you got ? As Stu says, it depends on the profile of the tyre sometimes to.

I managed to get right out the edge of a rear Michellin 2CT, but I cant get near the edge of the rear Diablo III.

...and on the road I couldn't get nearthe edge of my Supercorsas. The profile is simply too agressive, it falls away. On track I got to just under 1cm.

All this chicken strip stuff - to be honest - does it really matter:confused:

[El Saxo]

...and on the road I couldn't get nearthe edge of my Supercorsas. The profile is simply too agressive, it falls away. On track I got to just under 1cm.

All this chicken strip stuff - to be honest - does it really matter:confused:

Depends which way you look at it.

It doesn't matter in the 'bragging rights down the local bike meet' sense, but on a personal level it's encouraging for me cos it means I'm getting more confident and getting more out of the bike.

[StreetHawk]

Do a trackday Muffles! I did one on monday have haven't stopped bleating on about it since :-)

Your strips will turn into blobs of rubber! Got nothing at all left on the back and a few mm's on the front now.

[muffles]

Lost mine... on the back, I think front in impossible tbh :D

Easiest way is a nice roundabout... But that only really helps the right side in most cases. Other way is to find a road like the cat and fiddle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hqDwi0lk-Y) (that's way north of you... UNLUCKY! :p) that you can see round the bends and the road surface is perfect for getting leaning and the power on EARLY! :)

Yeah it's the back I'm on about, I gather the front generally requires further lean compared to the rear, so that you can't out-lean the front first? Or at least that's one reason I've heard...

That road looks a fair bit better than the one I'm using, shame it is so far away!

Tyre pressure also effects it. So if you have it low it will get to the edge of the tyre dead fast... Not that its a good idea. Makes the bikes handling sloppy at best. :(

Still got standard pressures at the moment, happy enough with them but don't know any better!

Oh fun bike I;ll never keep up with that pimped Honda C90!!!

Indeed :cool:

That's because it has...

hehe, my poor SV has to do it all, especially since I got rid of the cage.

What tyres do you have on the other bike? If they were full-on sports tyres I have to admit I'd be pretty tempted to try and get them all the way over. :lol: Not that I'm saying it's a good idea, mind... :wink:

what tyres you got ? As Stu says, it depends on the profile of the tyre sometimes to.

I managed to get right out the edge of a rear Michellin 2CT, but I cant get near the edge of the rear Diablo III.

...and on the road I couldn't get nearthe edge of my Supercorsas. The profile is simply too agressive, it falls away. On track I got to just under 1cm.

All this chicken strip stuff - to be honest - does it really matter:confused:

BT-016s - OEM though, which aren't the multi-compound ones.

My chicken strips do matter to me, I won't deny that, but not massively. It's just something I personally would like to get rid of, it's not for anyone else (i.e. pub talk!) it's just me :)

[muffles]

And I am desperate to do a track day, however it will be on the CBR lol - cheaper if I come off. When I use the other bike I would like to take the approach my mate has taken of using a track fairing, however that is wayyy overkill for my first track day.

[ThEGr33k]

I want to do a track day too. See how I am and the Falco. Though Id be scared of hurting me or it. :( Plus I think I need a steering dampner if I did. The front gets very light under hard acceleration.

Aye standard pressures are the best option imo. Thats what I run. :)

[muffles]

I want to do a track day too. See how I am and the Falco. Though Id be scared of hurting me or it. :( Plus I think I need a steering dampner if I did. The front gets very light under hard acceleration.

Aye standard pressures are the best option imo. Thats what I run. :)
Would you not be OK without one on track ? I thought that they were of most use where there was a bumpy surface that might unsettle the suspension as it loads/unloads. I'm really no expert though, lol.

[Blue_SV650S]

I understand the mission to get minimal chicken strips. To be honest its meaningless, but I understand it as I used to care about that too (now I honestly don't)... like I used to kneedowns ... now I don't give a feck about either!!!

Its a bit like when you are 16 ... you make out your have sh4gged loads of birds ... you think this makes you cool ... lets face it, you are prolly a virgin ...

Once you have lost you virginity (many years ago) ... it become less and less important to brag about your conquests ... you know you are not a virgin ... so it is less important to give the appearance that you are not.

If you want to loose your virginity, just bag a fat bird ... if you want to loose your chicken strips, do a trackday ... both are a right of passage, both are totally effective!! :lol:


My god, I even amaze myself at times ... you know what makes it most funny???? .... you can all see what I am saying/relate!! :D

[punyXpress]

Do a trackday Muffles! I did one on monday have haven't stopped bleating on about it since :-)

Your strips will turn into blobs of rubber! Got nothing at all left on the back and a few mm's on the front now.

A trackday will be as cheap as fines & added insurance costs of being deemed ' a silly boy ' on H.M's Highway - never mind the points ( you don't actually need to be guilty of anything only considered guilty.
Head South East, young man & attack any roundabout that seems suitable, then go over / under the Channel & do the same to the left side of your tyres. Repeat until nicely done.
Well impressed with TiminBelgium's tyres at Croft.
No, I haven't the bottle to have done a track day ( yet )

[muffles]

I understand the mission to get minimal chicken strips. To be honest its meaningless, but I understand it as I used to care about that too (now I honestly don't)... like I used to kneedowns ... now I don't give a feck about either!!!

Its a bit like when you are 16 ... you make out your have sh4gged loads of birds ... you think this makes you cool ... lets face it, you are prolly a virgin ...

Once you have lost you virginity (many years ago) ... it become less and less important to brag about your conquests ... you know you are not a virgin ... so it is less important to give the appearance that you are not.

If you want to loose your virginity, just bag a fat bird ... if you want to loose your chicken strips, do a trackday ... both are a right of passage, both are totally effective!! :lol:


My god, I even amaze myself at times ... you know what makes it most funny???? .... you can all see what I am saying/relate!! :D

But I have sh*gged loads of birds! :lol:

Well, track day definitely something I am going to do, I still ride on the road though so it's useful info ;) actually I had you in mind as one of the people I'd like to reply as I suspect you'll know... :D

A trackday will be as cheap as fines & added insurance costs of being deemed ' a silly boy ' on H.M's Highway - never mind the points ( you don't actually need to be guilty of anything only considered guilty.
Head South East, young man & attack any roundabout that seems suitable, then go over / under the Channel & do the same to the left side of your tyres. Repeat until nicely done.
Well impressed with TiminBelgium's tyres at Croft.
No, I haven't the bottle to have done a track day ( yet )

Really don't like roundabouts, lol - I want it to be "real". Probably going to end up being on a track day from advice on this thread though.

[Beenz]

Don't let it worry you. Just enjoy the bike.

I didn't get right to the edge on the OEM Dunlops of my K5 SV but was off the edge on the Avons that I replaced them with.

When I had my gixer thou I had a 2-3mm unused on the OEM BT014s (which I personally do not like) but was off the edge of the Diablo and Diablo Corsa IIIs that followed (many of them as that bike ate rear tyres at a crazy rate, lucky to get 2.5K from a rear).

My MT-03 OEM dunlops were pretty good, lots of feel and was quite easy to loose the chicken as was the repacement Conti Road Attacks that followed.

Demo bikes while waiting for my bike to turn up, the Zed thou on Qualifiers lost them quite easy (without a lot of effort) but the Pilot Road boots on the better handling (for me) FZ1 were much harder to loose completely.

Bottom line is, the profile of the tyre makes a big difference as does riding style and the bike that they're on. To be honest it doesn't matter if you loose all the chicken. As long as you enjoy riding your bike that's all that matters.

[ThEGr33k]

Would you not be OK without one on track ? I thought that they were of most use where there was a bumpy surface that might unsettle the suspension as it loads/unloads. I'm really no expert though, lol.

Maybe. Its not too bad like its just better safe than sorry and all that.


I understand the mission to get minimal chicken strips. To be honest its meaningless, but I understand it as I used to care about that too (now I honestly don't)... like I used to kneedowns ... now I don't give a feck about either!!!

Its a bit like when you are 16 ... you make out your have sh4gged loads of birds ... you think this makes you cool ... lets face it, you are prolly a virgin ...

Once you have lost you virginity (many years ago) ... it become less and less important to brag about your conquests ... you know you are not a virgin ... so it is less important to give the appearance that you are not.

If you want to loose your virginity, just bag a fat bird ... if you want to loose your chicken strips, do a trackday ... both are a right of passage, both are totally effective!! :lol:


My god, I even amaze myself at times ... you know what makes it most funny???? .... you can all see what I am saying/relate!! :D

Indeed. Well said.

[Blue_SV650S]

But I have sh*gged loads of birds! :lol:

Well, track day definitely something I am going to do, I still ride on the road though so it's useful info ;) actually I had you in mind as one of the people I'd like to reply as I suspect you'll know... :D


Even as an OK (i.e. not necessarily the fastest) rider in the novice group, you will shred your tyres (as long as it is a hot day) no worries on a full trackday ...


Ok, so, unless you are totally disillusioned, you know you are not going to be challenging Rossi for the title next week, but you actually have shredded tyres .... oh hang on .... that doesn't actually mean I am fast does it then ...

Once you realise it really means nothing, it will mean nothing to you ;)

Like I said, its a right of passage ... like a kneedown or losing your virginity, so do a trackday, sh4g a fat bird and get it over and done with and move on ... only at this point will you actually concentrate on trying to get faster and trying to nail a fit bird!! :D

[ThEGr33k]

How old are you muffles?

[Blue_SV650S]

How old are you muffles?

Dude, he prolly has lost his virginity .... so your fat-bird mate has lost out I am afraid!! :D

[Blue_SV650S]

To prove the point .. these are my ROAD chicken strips (ignore the puncture)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb319/blue_sv650s/newpuncture.jpg

Do I give a feck they are 3 miles wide????? .... no ...

Why? ... coz I now know it is meaningless!! ;)

[plowsie]

Jesus, a thread about chicken strips has evolved into Muffles virginity, or lack of :lol:

I have some huge chicken strips i need rid of. I regularly keep my pressures checked etc, so its nice to know the angles you can push to.

[ThEGr33k]

Over the week end (you may have read else where on here) I had a play with the suspension set-up. Basically before when I pushed the bike in the corners it wasn't stable (twitching a lot), when I put the power on the front felt like it was pushing wide and the back wasn't settling down at all.

So I added a little rebound dampening on the front as I came to realise the return was too fast and violent when returning from a compressed position. This helped a lot, fixed the front pushing wide issue but when I put the power on in the corner it was still not feeling right. So I added a little Dampening on the back shock (its a cheap one... only problem with the falco :( so only one dampening adjuster) and after a little fine tuning I got it to the point of when I go on the power it lean't in further and felt almost perfectly stable. Ill be getting a new rear shock soonish I think (peske) and see if a little rear ride height will help further.

So basically play with the suspension make it suit you and you can ride so much faster if you want and so much smoother. Infact its made such a difference that the edge of the tyre (there is are numbers and tiny michelin on the michelins) is almost bare of the number markings and the little michelin man... after just 150 miles with the better settings.

I had managed to get to the edge of the tyre before I did this but now it does it NO PROBLEM! :D

So have fun and take care!

[stuartyboy]

Yes you can get rid of your hoops on the road. You're on BT016s so this should be fairly easy on your Gixxer - they have an easy profile. It may be your riding style, tyre pressures, getting on the power earlier but please don't compromise your safety by trying to get rid of the last few mm. FWIW...I have 015s on my 600rr and got rid of the strips in the first 150 miles but this is due to the profile of the tyre.

Different tyres will exhibit different strips wear (road). I've have 015s with 0 strips rear, 3/4 inch strips front. On Diabolo Corsa IIIs - 10mm rear - 2-3 mm front. 2cts - 0 strips rear 3-4mm front - same bike same riding style.

Yeah it's the back I'm on about....I gather the front generally requires further lean compared to the rear, so that you can't out-lean the front first?

Careful now...don't want to lowside pushing the front!!!!! Your 016s should have a huge strip on the front compared to the rear - its the profile of the tyre. I've seen the same on Blades, Gixxers, Ninjas with 016s.


Still got standard pressures at the moment, happy enough with them but don't know any better!
Don't drop your pressures because someone says you'll get rid of your strips or its the best thing for grip. It depends on loads of different criteria...your weight, has your suspension been set up correctly, your riding style etc. You 'can' lower your pressure on road but you need to understand whats happening. e.g. at lower pressures your riding style may make the rear feel wallowy whereas someone else may feel totally planted.

IF YOU MUST drop pressures... only drop by 1 or 2 psi at a time and get used to riding with it for a while. If it feels better then you may be on the right track - if not then go back to std. Don't mess with the front pressures. Keep to the std - 34 or 36 psi on your bridgestones. I'd also get on the Gixxer forums - you'll get good advice there from people who know your bike. As good as the advice is on here it's limited for your bike.

As an aside - I run 34-34 now but this is only after loads of riding and only small adjustments were made to get there.

My chicken strips do matter to me, I won't deny that, but not massively. It's just something I personally would like to get rid of, it's not for anyone else (i.e. pub talk!) it's just me :)

IMO there are far more important things than getting rid of chicken strips. Enjoy the ride dude. In time and experience they will disappear.

[mister c]

what tyres you got ? As Stu says, it depends on the profile of the tyre sometimes to.

I managed to get right out the edge of a rear Michellin 2CT, but I cant get near the edge of the rear Diablo III.
I was the same with my Dunlop D208. Couldn't get near the edge, but on the AM45/46 no strip at all.

[muffles]

Even as an OK (i.e. not necessarily the fastest) rider in the novice group, you will shred your tyres (as long as it is a hot day) no worries on a full trackday ...


Ok, so, unless you are totally disillusioned, you know you are not going to be challenging Rossi for the title next week, but you actually have shredded tyres .... oh hang on .... that doesn't actually mean I am fast does it then ...

Once you realise it really means nothing, it will mean nothing to you ;)

Like I said, its a right of passage ... like a kneedown or losing your virginity, so do a trackday, sh4g a fat bird and get it over and done with and move on ... only at this point will you actually concentrate on trying to get faster and trying to nail a fit bird!! :D

:lol: OK, track day it is & get rid of em!

How old are you muffles?

27. Does it get more difficult with age or something? ;)

[muffles]

Yes you can get rid of your hoops on the road. You're on BT016s so this should be fairly easy on your Gixxer - they have an easy profile. It may be your riding style, tyre pressures, getting on the power earlier but please don't compromise your safety by trying to get rid of the last few mm. FWIW...I have 015s on my 600rr and got rid of the strips in the first 150 miles but this is due to the profile of the tyre.

Different tyres will exhibit different strips wear (road). I've have 015s with 0 strips rear, 3/4 inch strips front. On Diabolo Corsa IIIs - 10mm rear - 2-3 mm front. 2cts - 0 strips rear 3-4mm front - same bike same riding style.


Careful now...don't want to lowside pushing the front!!!!! Your 016s should have a huge strip on the front compared to the rear - its the profile of the tyre. I've seen the same on Blades, Gixxers, Ninjas with 016s.



Don't drop your pressures because someone says you'll get rid of your strips or its the best thing for grip. It depends on loads of different criteria...your weight, has your suspension been set up correctly, your riding style etc. You 'can' lower your pressure on road but you need to understand whats happening. e.g. at lower pressures your riding style may make the rear feel wallowy whereas someone else may feel totally planted.

IF YOU MUST drop pressures... only drop by 1 or 2 psi at a time and get used to riding with it for a while. If it feels better then you may be on the right track - if not then go back to std. Don't mess with the front pressures. Keep to the std - 34 or 36 psi on your bridgestones. I'd also get on the Gixxer forums - you'll get good advice there from people who know your bike. As good as the advice is on here it's limited for your bike.

As an aside - I run 34-34 now but this is only after loads of riding and only small adjustments were made to get there.



IMO there are far more important things than getting rid of chicken strips. Enjoy the ride dude. In time and experience they will disappear.

Ahem - it's a C90... ;)

OK so you reckon it is quite easy to get rid of them on the road? I'm not going to ride in a manner that I'm not comfortable with, but this is the question I had at the end of the day - is it something that is realistically possible or not (there'll always be a few that can get rid of them on the road, but in general...do people get rid of them on the road)?

[Jester666]

The chicken strip thing is really just a load of willy waving! :lol:

As Blue said, on the road its meaningless.

Even on the track I didn't get right to the edge of the front Road Pilot 2CT. It all depends on the profie of the tyre. The rear was sha99ed though!

[muffles]

The chicken strip thing is really just a load of willy waving! :lol:

As Blue said, on the road its meaningless.

Even on the track I didn't get right to the edge of the front Road Pilot 2CT. It all depends on the profie of the tyre. The rear was sha99ed though!

I don't want to get to the edge of the front, lol - just the rear. I suppose in most cases it looks like people just want to get rid to be able to say they go rid, but that's really not why I'm doing it/want to do it - it's a 'measure', I think Blue put it quite accurately in that it's a milestone, maybe afterwards you don't care any more, but before you have it's something you do want to achieve.

Btw I thought he meant meaningless anywhere? I.e. doing it for the sake of doing it, on road or track, is (often) not conducive to fast riding? I haven't been ignoring my lines for example - I was practicing those before I was trying to get to the edge of the tyre - still wanna do it though ;)

[carty]

I've got rid of mine completely on the RHS rear now, about 3mm left on the LHS. On Sunday I lost the front end going in to a small rounadbout but luckily it gripped again and I didn't come off :money::money:. When I checked the front tyre after my ride it has been all the way to the edge for a few revolutions, wouldn't say there's 'no chicken strip left', cos it's not been worn down to take off all the shine, but it's been over that far. That's on BT014's and I know I was leant over too far really, I was v lucky to get away with it!

I'm getting my tyres replaced in the next couple of weeks for some Diablo Corsa III's, I've done 7000 miles on the original BT014's and they're a little square now!

How do you find the Diablo's Fizzwheel?

Oh, I also want to do my first trackday so if anyone wants to meet up and do one in the next few months let me know!

Cheers,
Matt

[philbut]

Had never used my full tyre before Monday when the thames Valley lot did a trackday. I think we ALL got rid of any chicken strips within a few sessions. Its amazing how much grip you have on track - I was really supprised at the difference. I don't think I'd want to try on the road and TBH, who cares how big your strips are? So long as you're having fun, its better to have some chicken strips and a tidy bike than take a trip down the road.

EDIT - only ever ride on sports touring rubber as I do pleanty of miles, i'm on Z6's at the mo.

[sv650nutter149]

what tyres u got?

[Alpinestarhero]

I cant, I physically cant. Went I'm lent over, I can feeeeel my feet curling upwards if i feel im over much more than normal. I'll always have very visible chicken strips, unless i visit a track maybe

Mind you, my dad is pretty handy at going round corners, and even he has some unworn rubber on the edges. Granted, its about 5mm wide, but its still a chicken strip

Matt

[Tim in Belgium]

On the Rennsports at the rear I still have approx 3-5mm of chicken strips, and that is with pegs scraping and knee down after a trackday, it's mainly due to the max lean and tyre profile. Got rid of them at the front though and nicely snotted.

When riding on the road I have chicken strips of at least 1cm.

[Grinch]

Are people still obsesing over this?

[mister c]

Boot on the way to work this morning
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/croozenooze/DSC00222.jpg

Tyre still with strips. obsession over lol
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/croozenooze/DSC00223.jpg

[fizzwheel]

How do you find the Diablo's Fizzwheel?

I still cant believe you got 7K out of an 014

Diablos are much better, they last longer, I get 3K out of rear where I was getting 1800 out of a rear 014.

They warm up faster and keep the heat in them, they dont have that vague woolly wooden feeling that 014's have. I find I can really trust the tyres and they give me a good feeling from the front of the bike so I can tell whats going on.

They work better on cold and wet days than the 014's did to.

Basically they p*ss all over the 014 IMHO.

[ArtyLady]

I dont worry about them provided they arent so wide they are causing a ridge that makes the bike twitch when you go into a corner - I had that on my bandit - the previous owner had obviously never leant the bike at all and it was my IAM trainer who pointed them out when watching me wobbling around the twisties! :rolleyes: hubby took it out for a couple of hours and got rid of them! :cool:

[Blue_SV650S]

Btw I thought he meant meaningless anywhere? I.e. doing it for the sake of doing it, on road or track, is (often) not conducive to fast riding? I haven't been ignoring my lines for example - I was practicing those before I was trying to get to the edge of the tyre - still wanna do it though ;)

That is indeed what I meant. Its the same with the quest for KD.

Just get it done (easiest and potentially safest way is on a trackday) and move on!! ;)

[ThEGr33k]

On the Rennsports at the rear I still have approx 3-5mm of chicken strips, and that is with pegs scraping and knee down after a trackday, it's mainly due to the max lean and tyre profile. Got rid of them at the front though and nicely snotted.

When riding on the road I have chicken strips of at least 1cm.

Aye the back tyre on the SV650 is pinched so it is near verticle at the edges so you wont get there. A 150 profile would probbly suit the rim better but I wouldnt know. The front though will get pretty much to the edge with no real issue. I think its because most sports bikes has 120/70 fronts and the SV650 has the 120/60.

I still cant believe you got 7K out of an 014

Diablos are much better, they last longer, I get 3K out of rear where I was getting 1800 out of a rear 014.

They warm up faster and keep the heat in them, they dont have that vague woolly wooden feeling that 014's have. I find I can really trust the tyres and they give me a good feeling from the front of the bike so I can tell whats going on.

They work better on cold and wet days than the 014's did to.

Basically they p*ss all over the 014 IMHO.

I think the Michelin PR2's are great. Ive done 4,500 miles and to be honest the rear has LOADS left! Its not flattened off much at all. Maybe another 1500 miles+ left. As for Grip No issue, only had it spin once... in the wet at like no revs (2,500) :confused:.

Muffles you had your knee down?

Its something ive never done. It isnt my style, I dont move around enough on the bike to lean off and stick the knee out, also I dont have and knee pad things. :rolleyes: I guess I could if I wanted to like.

[muffles]

Muffles you had your knee down?

Its something ive never done. It isnt my style, I dont move around enough on the bike to lean off and stick the knee out, also I dont have and knee pad things. :rolleyes: I guess I could if I wanted to like.

Nope, not yet - I've tried on occasion but I don't think I am off the bike enough. I felt like it was a similar reason to this, in that if I am off the bike enough, it makes the bike turn quicker, which means I need more speed, therefore I am not comfortable with the speed (on the road). Very similar parallels to this, in my mind, but I don't want to introduce that to this conversation too, lol. I do have (shamefully) unworn sliders though.

To put an 'outcome' in this thread I am going to save all of that for the track and not push it any further on the road. Unless I come across the right roads, but I don't want to go past my comfort zone on the road so we'll see. :)

[stuartyboy]

Ahem - it's a C90... ;)

OK so you reckon it is quite easy to get rid of them on the road? I'm not going to ride in a manner that I'm not comfortable with, but this is the question I had at the end of the day - is it something that is realistically possible or not (there'll always be a few that can get rid of them on the road, but in general...do people get rid of them on the road)?

C90 - lol you must be fond of the pies then ;)

Yeah its easily possible on 016's - I can get them to the edge in the first 200 miles. I ride a 600rr and as I said before its the profile of the tyre. The road I ride every other day is 14 miles of twisties so that might account for it.

No - you're right - don't ride outside your zone.

How many miles have you done on your oems...what kind of roads are you riding on? Is your suspension set up properly - ie your rider sag?

Come to the Glencoe rideout this year and you'll get rid of your strips on the Dukes pass road without trying.

[carty]

I still cant believe you got 7K out of an 014


Hehe, see me ride then you'll believe it! Seriously I think it's cos I just don't accelerate very hard much of the time and the majority of my riding is on the motorway at constant speeds. I have decided now to go for the Diablo's over Michelin 2ct's due to the overly triangular shape of the 2ct's. I think they could quickly become very strange with my regular riding.

I don't want to go for 'touring' rubber though cos I do plan on doing some trackdays this year and I do want the confidence factor that very sticky tyres bring. I'll try harder on the next set I promise!

Cheers,
Matt

[muffles]

C90 - lol you must be fond of the pies then ;)

Yeah its easily possible on 016's - I can get them to the edge in the first 200 miles. I ride a 600rr and as I said before its the profile of the tyre. The road I ride every other day is 14 miles of twisties so that might account for it.

No - you're right - don't ride outside your zone.

How many miles have you done on your oems...what kind of roads are you riding on? Is your suspension set up properly - ie your rider sag?

Come to the Glencoe rideout this year and you'll get rid of your strips on the Dukes pass road without trying.

I've done just over 1200 miles on them now, so well worn in etc. Roads are mainly fun roads so stuff like the one I linked to a couple of pages back.

Not done anything with the suspension though I'd like to...I'd like to try it myself but it's a case of not enough time to get round to trying a suspension set up guide. And the C90 has a lot of adjustment, lol.

I think Glencoe is a bit far from London... :p

[ThEGr33k]

Setting up suspension is easy.

Preload; for sag, also when put up can make the bike feel more solid as it takes more pressure to compress a already compressed spring.

Compression Dampening; basically this controls how fast the suspension can compress, means that the travel is more controlled.

Rebound Dampening; this controls the rate at which the suspension returns to the normal position.

So if you have a front end that bounces too much it will probably more than likely be the rebound dampening not limiting the movement enough.

If the front dives a lot when you break or when you stear in that will probably be the compression dampening.

Best way in my opinion is to find a nice corner or preferably a few to test different surfaces/camber etc etc. Then make a small change (remember what you do) then go for a quick lap see how you feel with it. If you like it alter more until you know where you like it. Then try some other setting and work your way through. Trying to sense what might be upsetting it.

Be careful though dont push it after a change. It may cause an accident. :(

Also remember what you have changed so you can put it back should you muck it all up.

hope that helps some.

[muffles]

Setting up suspension is easy.

Preload; for sag, also when put up can make the bike feel more solid as it takes more pressure to compress a already compressed spring.

Compression Dampening; basically this controls how fast the suspension can compress, means that the travel is more controlled.

Rebound Dampening; this controls the rate at which the suspension returns to the normal position.

So if you have a front end that bounces too much it will probably more than likely be the rebound dampening not limiting the movement enough.

If the front dives a lot when you break or when you stear in that will probably be the compression dampening.

Best way in my opinion is to find a nice corner or preferably a few to test different surfaces/camber etc etc. Then make a small change (remember what you do) then go for a quick lap see how you feel with it. If you like it alter more until you know where you like it. Then try some other setting and work your way through. Trying to sense what might be upsetting it.

Be careful though dont push it after a change. It may cause an accident. :(

Also remember what you have changed so you can put it back should you muck it all up.

hope that helps some.

Cheers, I am ok with the different types of adjustment, but knowing what they feel like/what effect I should see is pretty useful - cos that's just going to be my opinion. Most people tend to offer "change it till it feels good for you" which although true, is fairly vague - so good to hear some real life examples of how to test what you've changed :)

[ThEGr33k]

Aye no problem, if it helps then cool!

I am still shocked at how a tiny adjustment can make a massive difference. It can make the bike feel like a whole new bike. Amazing... No wonder the MotoGP boys (racers) have such a hard time making it perfect, especially with the MASSIVE adjustment options they have! Great stuff. :)

[stuartyboy]

Setting up suspension is easy.

Only if you know what you're doing...;) it can be very confusing. 2 clicks out from full hard...etc...2 turns fully in from full soft...everything in reverse etc.

Please - do not touch your damping circuits at all until you have your preload (sag) set -and this part is very easy. Get some miles under your belt with the correct sag settings - then start making small adjustments to your dampers to suit your riding style.

Your gixxer has fantastic sussers but it can be set up so many different way - hard road riding, smooth road bimbling, track bias and on and on. Remember your tyre pressures have an effect too.

Like I say - get on the Gixxer forums for the best suspension advice.

1800 miles - I would say they and you are finding your limits very well - I'd forget about the strips and enjoy the ride dude.

Yes Glencoe is a bit far from London but think of the ride up ;)

[MiniMatt]

Posting in a thread where everything has already been said :D

My old commute used to be 45 miles of gently winding A-road. Perfect for "making progress" thanks to long wide corners. Barring a couple of small roundabouts there wasn't a single part of that route that couldn't be done at 110mph*. And that wouldn't even get close to stressing the chicken strips. But as you say, going faster than that would be asking for trouble, even if the bike could easily take the corners much faster, there's no accounting for pheasants/tractors/caravans/gravel etc.

Anyway, my best local road that can grind strips out at legal speeds but certainly not safe speeds, is Fish Hill (http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|fish%20hill#map=52.03294,-1.83304|17|32&loc=GB:52.03384:-1.83296:17|fish%20hill|Fish%20Hill%20(A44),%20Midd le%20Hill,%20Broadway,%20Worcestershire,%20England ,%20WR12%207). I've mentioned this many times before, it makes the Laguna Seca Corkscrew look like an airport runway. Be warned, it has a grisley reputation and if you lose it you die. Going up the hill the second left hand bend tightens up very sharply and the camber goes all wrong for a second too, brake heavily before you tip in, it's very easy to lose the front here and also very easy to target fixate. Do either and you go right into an oncoming lorry :(

*Obviously I'm talking hypothetically here, I worked all the physics out, I wouldn't actually do such a thing. Honest.

[muffles]

:(Posting in a thread where everything has already been said :D

My old commute used to be 45 miles of gently winding A-road. Perfect for "making progress" thanks to long wide corners. Barring a couple of small roundabouts there wasn't a single part of that route that couldn't be done at 110mph*. And that wouldn't even get close to stressing the chicken strips. But as you say, going faster than that would be asking for trouble, even if the bike could easily take the corners much faster, there's no accounting for pheasants/tractors/caravans/gravel etc.

Anyway, my best local road that can grind strips out at legal speeds but certainly not safe speeds, is Fish Hill (http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|fish%20hill#map=52.03294,-1.83304|17|32&loc=GB:52.03384:-1.83296:17|fish%20hill|Fish%20Hill%20(A44),%20Midd le%20Hill,%20Broadway,%20Worcestershire,%20England ,%20WR12%207). I've mentioned this many times before, it makes the Laguna Seca Corkscrew look like an airport runway. Be warned, it has a grisley reputation and if you lose it you die. Going up the hill the second left hand bend tightens up very sharply and the camber goes all wrong for a second too, brake heavily before you tip in, it's very easy to lose the front here and also very easy to target fixate. Do either and you go right into an oncoming lorry :(

*Obviously I'm talking hypothetically here, I worked all the physics out, I wouldn't actually do such a thing. Honest.

Blimey, yeah looks a nice curvy road from up here, but I guess as you say it's not a great idea to go in hard. So in summary save it for the track ;) :D

[ThEGr33k]

My old commute used to be 45 miles of gently winding A-road. Perfect for "making progress" thanks to long wide corners. Barring a couple of small roundabouts there wasn't a single part of that route that couldn't be done at 110mph*. And that wouldn't even get close to stressing the chicken strips.

Please dont get going fast with losing chicken strips. I bet someone with the know can get to the edge of a tyre at less than 35mph. I know I can on my local fun run at about 40-45mph. So dont go trying to go faster. Try to lean more, but always leave yourself a safety margine and only try it on roads with perfect (VERY VERY good) view of corner and oncomming traffic. ;)

Posting in a thread where everything has already been said :D



"Monkeys will rule the world" hasnt been mentioned as yet... :smt066

[Baph]

How many actually do this?
...
So, is it me? Should I be going round faster? Or is it correct that you shouldn't try to get to the edge of your tyre on the road...

I haven't read the whole thread, but muffles, you seem to have a sensible attitude to things. :)

IMO, chicken strip removal is a track activity, not a road one, purely for the reasons you've said.

Personally, there are some nice open, and twisty roads around here. I've had the pegs scraping on the floor, but not been to the edge of the tyres. There's not a lot more you can do without putting rearsets on the bike, and given that I don't ride like that all the time, chicken strips isn't a good reason to get rearsets.

Book a track day when you can, and kiss goodbye to those strips.

[ThEGr33k]

What bike you on Baph? Must have low clearance. Ive only scraped my toe a few times... :rolleyes:

[Baph]

What bike you on Baph? Must have low clearance. Ive only scraped my toe a few times... :rolleyes:
SV650S K6, with Pilot Road 2's.

I've spoken to a few others on the .Org (face to face though), and it's pretty much concensus that the PR2s have a different profile to the Metzler Z6's that I used to run with all the time. On the Z6's I could get right to the edge of the tyre, on the PR2s, I scrape pegs before I get near the chicken strips.

[muffles]

I haven't read the whole thread, but muffles, you seem to have a sensible attitude to things. :)

IMO, chicken strip removal is a track activity, not a road one, purely for the reasons you've said.

Personally, there are some nice open, and twisty roads around here. I've had the pegs scraping on the floor, but not been to the edge of the tyres. There's not a lot more you can do without putting rearsets on the bike, and given that I don't ride like that all the time, chicken strips isn't a good reason to get rearsets.

Book a track day when you can, and kiss goodbye to those strips.

Yep, am planning to do just that :) need to get my ar$e in gear and book one!

I did find that the SV seemed to have a steeper profile at the edges compared to the other bikes I've owned (all 180 rears with 5.5"? rims - all same size anyway). As mentioned above maybe it's to do with the tyre being a little pinched...all I know is, it is/was more difficult on the SV :)

[MiniMatt]

Please dont get going fast with losing chicken strips. I bet someone with the know can get to the edge of a tyre at less than 35mph. I know I can on my local fun run at about 40-45mph. So dont go trying to go faster. Try to lean more, but always leave yourself a safety margine and only try it on roads with perfect (VERY VERY good) view of corner and oncomming traffic. ;)




"Monkeys will rule the world" hasnt been mentioned as yet... :smt066

Oh don't get me wrong, I know, in fact in my "yoof" (aka the Halfords Car Park years) knee downs at 15mph were all the rage :D Just re-iterating the point already made that corners tight enough to get serious lean angle at non-warp factor speeds all tend to be in built up urban areas and thus not suited to such antics.

You've got me banged to rights on the monkeys though. I shall go stock up on tinned food & shotgun cartridges in preparation :D

[ThEGr33k]

I did find that the SV seemed to have a steeper profile at the edges compared to the other bikes I've owned (all 180 rears with 5.5"? rims - all same size anyway). As mentioned above maybe it's to do with the tyre being a little pinched...all I know is, it is/was more difficult on the SV :)

I know I have 6" rear rim. Maybe the 600's do have smaller ones? :confused:

SV650S K6, with Pilot Road 2's.

I've spoken to a few others on the .Org (face to face though), and it's pretty much concensus that the PR2s have a different profile to the Metzler Z6's that I used to run with all the time. On the Z6's I could get right to the edge of the tyre, on the PR2s, I scrape pegs before I get near the chicken strips.

Aye the PR2's I think are a little more pinched than the others. I know that the D220 (they are stock?) wasnt as pinched and I got closer to the edge of that on the rear than I did with the PR2's on the SV. But tbh that dont much matter as the PR2's were by far the better tyre. :eek:


You've got me banged to rights on the monkeys though. I shall go stock up on tinned food & shotgun cartridges in preparation :D

Ha ha ha. :smt070:smt068:smt072 :king:

[muffles]

I know I have 6" rear rim. Maybe the 600's do have smaller ones? :confused:

Pretty sure it's 5.5", as the litre bikes tend to have 6" & 190 section tyres. Yours has a 180 on a 6" then (I believe 6" can take 180 or 190 no problems)?

[ThEGr33k]

Pretty sure it's 5.5", as the litre bikes tend to have 6" & 190 section tyres. Yours has a 180 on a 6" then (I believe 6" can take 180 or 190 no problems)?


Aye thats right. The falco comes with the same wheels as the RSV but runs a 180 rear (RSV has 190). Apparently for the Falco most manufacturers recomend the 190 but to be honest I wont as apparently the insurance companies can throw their dummies out over it. :( Plus 180's are cheaper :p

[carty]

Anyway, my best local road that can grind strips out at legal speeds but certainly not safe speeds, is Fish Hill (http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB%7Cfish%20hill#map=52.03294,-1.83304%7C17%7C32&loc=GB:52.03384:-1.83296:17%7Cfish%20hill%7CFish%20Hill%20%28A44%29 ,%20Middle%20Hill,%20Broadway,%20Worcestershire,%2 0England,%20WR12%207). I've mentioned this many times before, it makes the Laguna Seca Corkscrew look like an airport runway.

Yep, I think I've replied to you in a thread on this in the past :) It can be a very dangerous bit of road, particularly if you start from the top and you get some of the road crap from that builders yard / farm or whatever it is on your tyres! I have had a moment on the way up it where I thought 'I'm never goona make this' :reaper: but somehow I got round. VERY technical bit of road. Not good for practicing kd IMO but pretty good for waking you up if you've been hooning down the roads either end!

Cheers,
Matt

[kwak zzr]

How many actually do this?

I have never quite gotten my tyres to the edge (right now there is a 5-ish mm band of untouched tyre each side) and this year I found a nice route near me which I intended to use to try and get rid of my strips (I'm in London btw so good routes are not that near and there may be others - I just looked it up on a map and tried it out).

However I cannot get rid of the last bit, but it's not really my confidence in cornering as such - it's just it'd be too quick for the roads for me to be happy with what I was doing - given none of the corners I can see all the way round (trees, etc).

I'm sure there are some roads out there that might be better (specifically, ones with 'sighted' corners) but speaking to a couple of people recently (one of whom used to race 2 strokes of some kind) they don't believe it's something you could/should be doing on the road.

I haven't done a track day yet - high on my list, just avoided it due to cost so far. Not stopping me for long though, it just needs me to convince myself.

So, is it me? Should I be going round faster? Or is it correct that you shouldn't try to get to the edge of your tyre on the road...

type of tyre and profile has a lot to do with it, i could never get rid of that last few mm on standard sv dunlops? but pilots are easy?

[punyXpress]

? buy that last set of tyres from Olly ?

[ThEGr33k]

Some pics of my Tyres.

Back tyre flattened of a little thanks to 5000 miles.
http://a464.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/87/l_99713ef5eaeb0c75878ab40e9dcdf14f.jpg

Front left. Bit of a strip but id rather the front be like that...
http://a470.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/73/l_9e65f270de849de17258376a847a04bd.jpg

Front right of tyre. Bit less of a chicken strip thanks to the better right hand corners around here.
http://a386.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/20/l_1027083c87205b06448513a677a95329.jpg

Back right. As you can see well worn on the edge. :D
http://a751.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/105/l_d0585a9ed22ff61264863b88a7c5e8fe.jpg

Back left. Again worn to the edge. Can see a bit of oil on there from the Snotoiler.
http://a160.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/100/l_e5adbdd300d7676fcd70e23dd2f00057.jpg

Cheers.

[Blue_SV650S]

....

My god, they have done 5,000 miles and still look like that!! :shock: It is as if you have hardly used them!! ... now that is impressive. 8)

[Stig]

I get to the edge on every tyre I put on the bike. But I don't go out to purposely get rid of the unworn parts of the tyre. It just happens as part of riding the bike on the road. Don't particularly care if I have chicken strips or not. Wasn't always the case of course. :wink:

[ThEGr33k]

My god, they have done 5,000 miles and still look like that!! :shock: It is as if you have hardly used them!! ... now that is impressive. 8)

I do a lot of motorway miles. Twins are good for tyre conservation and they are PR2's so the touring ones. On the SV I managed to get like 8000 and they wernt that bad.

I get to the edge on every tyre I put on the bike. But I don't go out to purposely get rid of the unworn parts of the tyre. It just happens as part of riding the bike on the road. Don't particularly care if I have chicken strips or not. Wasn't always the case of course. :wink:

No I dont go out of my way to get to the edge... I just do. Thought id share the images.

[Biker Biggles]

A few years ago(when I officially joined the old f&rt MCC)I made an effort to make my riding smoooother.(Otherwise known as riding like a granny)I now get really good chain and tyre life,like about 8-10000 out of a rear and more out of a front.Downside is my brake caliper pins sieze up between pad changes if I forget to grease them.

[DanAbnormal]

Always seem to get rid of the rear strips through normal riding. Can't get rid of the front one's though, but judging by my lean angle I doubt I could actually get rid of the front one without actually binning it. Means feck all though, just how far over you lean.

[sv-robo]

Means feck all though, just how far over you lean.
Not nesecerally..on various bikes i've had knee down yet some strips still remained.Then again on some bends i'm hanging that far off the bike i'm nearly scraping my butt cheeks on the ground to get round as well lol.

[DanAbnormal]

Not nesecerally..on various bikes i've had knee down yet some strips still remained.Then again on some bends i'm hanging that far off the bike i'm nearly scraping my butt cheeks on the ground to get round as well lol.

Ah but then you don't need to lean that much to get your kneedown either. That all depends how much you hang off.

[Stig]

Ah but then you don't need to lean that much to get your kneedown either. That all depends how much you hang off.

And how tall you are. I can't get anywhere near the edges of the tyres on the Dullsville. I've had the exhaust touch down one side and the side stand on the other. It ain't gonna tip any further than that and the tyres still have huge chicken strips.

[muffles]

Look what you did Falco-boy! Re-awakened a sleeping thread! :smt043

[leatherpatches]

Oh for God's sake. Want less chicken strips, lean further.

It's not rocket science.

If you hang off correctly you'll lean a little less, but if you get your knee down you probably won't have chicken strips left.

I think they are like soul - if you have to worry about them you really won't deal with them anyway.

Ride more, lean further, take corners quicker and one day you'll wake up and your 'strips' will be minimal, if anything.

It's about experience and cornering speed; along with the amount you're prepared to hang off (but until you can remove most of the chicken strip this will mean nothing to you anyway as you'll be doing it wrong).

I recommend forgetting about it and just riding. Go out with some faster friends and try and follow their lines. Ride faster around corners and try and get your knee down on roundabouts to feel how you should position your body. After this you'll not worry about chicken strips. Push yourself and they will disappear. Trundle along for ever taking the same minimal risk and they'll stay.

Isn't this the same answer each time this topic comes up?

[Stig]

Isn't this the same answer each time this topic comes up?

Yup.

Nice to hear from you again. :smile:

[lukemillar]

Even on the track I didn't get right to the edge of the front Road Pilot 2CT.

But that's because you ride like a wuss! :lol:

Seriously - even on the track, the only time I have got to the edge of a front is when i lowsided! I have had 4 different bikes on track, with 4 different types/makes of tyre. Have got close, but never like the rear

[Blue_SV650S]

I think if people are getting rid of their chicken strips on the road, its coz they are not hanging off enough ;)

On the road, you simply can't attain the corner speed required to get rid of strips (whilst hanging off correctly).

[muffles]

I think if people are getting rid of their chicken strips on the road, its coz they are not hanging off enough ;)

On the road, you simply can't attain the corner speed required to get rid of strips (whilst hanging off correctly).

Indeed that makes sense...

Oh for God's sake. Want less chicken strips, lean further.

It's not rocket science.

If you hang off correctly you'll lean a little less, but if you get your knee down you probably won't have chicken strips left.

I think they are like soul - if you have to worry about them you really won't deal with them anyway.

Ride more, lean further, take corners quicker and one day you'll wake up and your 'strips' will be minimal, if anything.

It's about experience and cornering speed; along with the amount you're prepared to hang off (but until you can remove most of the chicken strip this will mean nothing to you anyway as you'll be doing it wrong).

I recommend forgetting about it and just riding. Go out with some faster friends and try and follow their lines. Ride faster around corners and try and get your knee down on roundabouts to feel how you should position your body. After this you'll not worry about chicken strips. Push yourself and they will disappear. Trundle along for ever taking the same minimal risk and they'll stay.

Isn't this the same answer each time this topic comes up?

...unfortunately this misses the point (if this was directed at my OP, which it may not be, in which case ignore the rest) - to many posters it's been assumed (skimmed the posts, highlighted a few words, whatever) that it's being asked How do I get rid of me chicken strips, mister?

To the detriment of this thread, however, the real question has often been overlooked... Is it possible and/or reasonable to remove all chicken strips solely through road riding, whilst riding with a modicum of safety?

:smt109

[Baph]

Oh for God's sake. Want less chicken strips, lean further.


:laughat:

Sorry, but I have had the pegs touching down on my K6, and still had around 3/4 an inch of 'chicken strip' still on the tyres.

It aint all about the lean angle.

[plowsie]

Pressures man pressures!

[G]

Is it possible and/or reasonable to remove all chicken strips solely through road riding, whilst riding with a modicum of safety?
:smt109

If you find the right corner, then I think so.

I would never ride around thinking....'I need to lean more to get rid of my chicken strips' though as that is an inevitable disaster waiting to happen.

[ThEGr33k]

But that's because you ride like a wuss! :lol:

Seriously - even on the track, the only time I have got to the edge of a front is when i lowsided! I have had 4 different bikes on track, with 4 different types/makes of tyre. Have got close, but never like the rear

Juist have to check out my images to see what you are saying...

Look what you did Falco-boy! Re-awakened a sleeping thread! :smt043

Yea... I thought it was a good one :) How are the Strips going Mr muff? :smt077

[muffles]

Yea... I thought it was a good one :) How are the Strips going Mr muff? :smt077

:p Unchanged on mine, as it happens! On my mate's RR...different matter :o we went down towards Eastbourne and going up to Beachy Head (literally road just before it) there are a couple of slow-speed (signs say 15mph) very twisty corners, which enabled me to get it at least as far over as on my bike! He was watching me in his mirrors and said he thought I was going to get my knee down, hahah. Not sure what he thought of that (but I didn't, btw)!

Wouldn't mind going back there on my bike.

[ThEGr33k]

:p Unchanged on mine, as it happens! On my mate's RR...different matter :o we went down towards Eastbourne and going up to Beachy Head (literally road just before it) there are a couple of slow-speed (signs say 15mph) very twisty corners, which enabled me to get it at least as far over as on my bike! He was watching me in his mirrors and said he thought I was going to get my knee down, hahah. Not sure what he thought of that (but I didn't, btw)!

Wouldn't mind going back there on my bike.

Cool. :cool:

[21QUEST]

Indeed that makes sense...



...unfortunately this misses the point (if this was directed at my OP, which it may not be, in which case ignore the rest) - to many posters it's been assumed (skimmed the posts, highlighted a few words, whatever) that it's being asked How do I get rid of me chicken strips, mister?

To the detriment of this thread, however, the real question has often been overlooked... Is it possible and/or reasonable to remove all chicken strips solely through road riding, whilst riding with a modicum of safety?

:smt109

What Bluey said, does indeed make sense but we could ask the question, "why does anyone need to hang off that much on the road" ;) .

Personally don't think leatherpatches missed the point by that much too. He is quite 'spot on' in saying ".....give it a bit more lean" :D

If you find the right corner, then I think so.

I would never ride around thinking....'I need to lean more to get rid of my chicken strips' though as that is an inevitable disaster waiting to happen.
As G says, the answer to the 'real question' is "yes yes yes". Thousands do it every day. All they do is lean more :rolleyes: :mrgreen: ;) .

My chicken strips are huge but I still go alright....that's the main thing....right ? :D ;)


Ben

[fizzwheel]

ITo the detriment of this thread, however, the real question has often been overlooked... Is it possible and/or reasonable to remove all chicken strips solely through road riding, whilst riding with a modicum of safety?

I believe so yes, I got my rear 2CT to the edge on both side of the tyre, that was just from road riding and a bit of roundabout surfing to.

I cant seem to do it with my diablo though, but my riding has dropped off since I dont use the GSXR as much as I did do my confidence isnt what it was and I dont lean the bike over as much as I used to now.

[muffles]

What Bluey said, does indeed make sense but we could ask the question, "why does anyone need to hang off that much on the road" ;) .

Personally don't think leatherpatches missed the point by that much too. He is quite 'spot on' in saying ".....give it a bit more lean" :D


As G says, the answer to the 'real question' is "yes yes yes". Thousands do it every day. All they do is lean more :rolleyes: :mrgreen: ;) .

My chicken strips are huge but I still go alright....that's the main thing....right ? :D ;)


Ben

Yeah I think that the primary aim should be smooth, fast controlled riding, as opposed to hanging off more/reducing chicken strip.

I'm a bit confused by what you mentioned about leatherpatches' comment though - indeed what he says is accurate, but it wasn't the question asked :D that's why I said it missed the point ;)

I think the general consensus so far is that yes it is possible to do it on the road in relative (I use that term loosely) safety, however it is dependent on several things such as setup off bike, tyre type, and of course the specific corners you have available. But it does seem a given that there are enough "suitable" corners around the country, judging by replies.

The big "however" seems to be that you must have the right corner - and this is the most important thing when considering the saftey aspect.

[21QUEST]

Yeah I think that the primary aim should be smooth, fast controlled riding, as opposed to hanging off more/reducing chicken strip.

Whoa whoa whoa !!! I never said anything about smooth, fast and controlled buddy. You obviously haven't seen me ride :p ;)

I'm a bit confused by what you mentioned about leatherpatches' comment though - indeed what he says is accurate, but it wasn't the question asked :D that's why I said it missed the point ;)

As you say, most of what he said is accurate and so, apart from me being a bit of a git(in nicest possible way) at best of times when it comes to questions like this one, it is fairly reasonable for one to to ask "why is anyone so bothered" ;). I know that question has alread been dealth with earlier but as we can see from most of the answers, it's one that we can't get away from :) .


I think the general consensus so far is that yes it is possible to do it on the road in relative (I use that term loosely) safety, however it is dependent on several things such as setup off bike, tyre type, and of course the specific corners you have available. But it does seem a given that there are enough "suitable" corners around the country, judging by replies.

The big "however" seems to be that you must have the right corner - and this is the most important thing when considering the saftey aspect.

I quite agree in a way but in a different vein, I think we can make it more complicated than it needs to be lol

I assume everyone trys/feels(hope so) they are being safe, no matter how they ride. That(safe) is always argueble as one persons perspective of 'being safe' will invariable differ from another persons. One reason why I don't usually dish out riding tips and condemn much other peoples riding.
Simply(old skool like lol) to me, if it's got two wheels, you can make it do what ever you want. If you can't make it do what you desire, the problem is not the bike. Of course, as we'd all agree, that's not strictly accurate :o hehe . Sorry for verring off(I think) a bit but hopefully, you see why I sometimes think the way I do ;) .

Re being enough 'suitable corners', I very much agree with that. :smt045



Ben

[DanAbnormal]

If you have chicken strips then you smell of wee.

Okay, not really but I was bored.

[muffles]

Lots of sensible stuff

Now I do agree with that ;) :D I understand that the question of "why?" is always going to come up, I think you've hit the nail on the head when you say it naturally is going to, whether that's the actual question or not.