View Full Version : ADD/ADHD does anyone have it or know much about it?
metalmonkey
26-06-08, 05:34 PM
I just want to find more out about this, how people deal with, what they did to help it ect.....Any info would be great:D Thanks.
phil24_7
26-06-08, 06:01 PM
I used to have it, I just cut down on the Smarties (though now they've reduced the e-numbers!!).
Don't worry, I'll close the door on my way out!
There's plenty of information out there about AD...
... ohh look, a butterfly....
Here's (http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=40) some info.
It's a term doctors use to describe children who would rather be outside playing than sitting in classrooms learning, so they can medicate them to within an inch of their lives.
Also used by adults who want to find an excuse for the fact that they can't be bothered to stay in one job long enough to get anywhere, who may have flitted from one job to another with annoying frequency and who crap out when things get tough.
Why do you ask?
gettin2dizzy
26-06-08, 08:49 PM
It's a term doctors use to describe children who would rather be outside playing than sitting in classrooms learning, so they can medicate them to within an inch of their lives.
Also used by adults who want to find an excuse for the fact that they can't be bothered to stay in one job long enough to get anywhere, who may have flitted from one job to another with annoying frequency and who crap out when things get tough.
Why do you ask?
Don't sit on the fence there. Tell us what you really think ;)
phil24_7
26-06-08, 09:04 PM
The infamous Bear, pulling his punches again! ;-)
Don't sit on the fence there. Tell us what you really think ;)
Sounds like my old point I make every time I hear a story on the news about the number of 'undiagnosed dyslexics' or similar... There's always an explanation for why children don't perform these days.
When I was at school, it was accepted that some kids were just a bit dense.
yorkie_chris
26-06-08, 10:46 PM
I wouldn't go as far as some, and it's not often you'll hear me counsel moderation;
However like many things at the minute, there are very few sufferers, and a lot of excuse making malingering gits.
You couldn't train a dead dog to stay? Never mind bring up a child? Ahhhh OK lets blame some poncy arsd illness and get a note from an even poincier arsd shrink. Makes perfect sense, oh this makes your child "special" so it's fine for it to f### up it's classmates education...
Gah. Some kids need a clip round the lughole every now and again, not psychobabble, never did me any harm!
It's a term doctors use to describe children who would rather be outside playing than sitting in classrooms learning, so they can medicate them to within an inch of their lives.
Also used by adults who want to find an excuse for the fact that they can't be bothered to stay in one job long enough to get anywhere, who may have flitted from one job to another with annoying frequency and who crap out when things get tough.
Bear, I understand where you're coming from (Yorkie_chris' post), so I'll bite my tounge.
svracer12, my only experience of either ADD or ADHD is via my eldest son, who has been diagnosed with DAMP (Deficits in Attention, Motor control and Perception) - also known as Dyspraxia. Essentially, that's Autistic traits, mixed in with ADHD.
He has the mental age of approx 4-5years old, but he's 9. Obviously this makes it difficult for him to make friends his own age group, and those he does make, he quickly looses. Due to his disability, he even has difficulty holding a knife & fork. He can't do probably 90% of the stuff other kids his age do, due to either a lack of physical ability or a lack of concentration.
Obviously this leads to a lot of bullying, which he's starting to accept as a normal part of his life, sadly. But a word with the school, and it dies down again for a while.
Luckily, we got on to it fairly quickly for a case of DAMP, and even more luckily, his current school have been amazing about it. It just happens that his teacher is also the school's SENCO (Special Education Needs Co-Ordinator), and he has regular visits at school by a clinical psychologist, who constantly asseses what help he needs.
As for comments made by some regards people claiming they have the right to lay back & take life easy due to a 'disibility' - it's exactly that reason that me & my other half have most of our arguments. I'm firmly of the belief that because of my son's disability, if he doesn't put 150% in, then it's not enough effort. No way is he ever going to hide behind it.
baph my son is also suffering form dyspraxia and autistic tendencies and well when i first started to read these posts i was getting angry but you have said what i wanted to say aiden my son doesn't get bullied but hasn't many friends due to lack of speech. I hate people that claim they have a disability when really they haven't it winds me up so much but we also make sure aiden doesn't hide behind his problems
I hate people that claim they have a disability when really they haven't it winds me up so much but we also make sure aiden doesn't hide behind his problems
That seems to be a common trait among those who actually have to deal with a disibility. :)
It's because of the emotions raised by those that claim to have a disibility, but are only using it as an excuse to be lazy, that I appreaciate where people like Bear/Yorkie_Chris are coming from. It's unfortunate but true that those people cause a vast array of disibilities to be viewed in a negitive light - especially mental disibilities.
The .Org actually helped quite a lot in the past when my son was first diagnosed with DAMP. So if you and/or gid want to rant about the state of the education/health system, feel free to drop me a PM, as we have to deal with it on a daily basis as well but I suppose on balance we're quite lucky. I'm not sure if that'll change when he moves up to high school, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
my son as i have said somewhere else is coming up to six but his mental age is more like 21 months as we have a 21 month old and they are similar but i think the docs have said his mental age is more of a 2 yr old we are hoping that he can stay on at his school now till yr 6 and then go to a special school before he goes to big school as i don;t think he will manage it but aiden isn't even statmented yet so we have to do that yet the specialists i am not liking at the moment are the speech therapists and aiden disability team who because i went to a webster stratton course told me that they weren't coming round anymore and now we need them i have been told we are on a waiting liswt
dizzyblonde
27-06-08, 09:17 AM
I can understand YC's rant, as there is a kid over the road that is supposedly an ADHD sufferer..but if you look at what his mother does with him(or not) then you wonder why he is an attention seeking little shIIt that trashes everything, doesn't go to school, and is a general disruption to others....
Funnily there was another family that lived over the road that had three sons, that were supposedly ADHD again as you watched em grow up and turn 15, 16 etc they obviously needed discipline rather than a label, as every time they did anything wrong( which usually involved the plod) the line'oh hes got ADHD' was used
However, my best mate lives in France, her son I think has Dyspraxia. Rory is now 13, but still has the learning age of about 6. My own sons learning is overtaking his now, when my son is over there Rory loves it as (in his mind) he has someone his own age to play with. Rory is an absolutley marvellous lad, and his talent for drawing in perspection is superb. On the outside you'd think he was any normal 13 yr old, and as we all say Rory is as well Rory is. Hes well mannered( most of the time) but when hes having a frustrated day hes not nice, but hey what would you feel like being trapped like that!! Hes in a special school over there, as he was over here. My mate had rest bite care over here too, but they don't do it over there.
sticking labels on badly parented kids, just makes life more difficult for those that have genuine problems with their kids.
Get rid of the naany state rules, where all parents can discipline their kids without them threatening to have you arrested for assault etc and I think that most ADHD diagnosis would vanish....because all bad kids would get a good hiding from their mums n dads
I can understand YC's rant, as there is a kid over the road that is supposedly an ADHD sufferer..but if you look at what his mother does with him(or not) then you wonder why he is an attention seeking little shIIt that trashes everything, doesn't go to school, and is a general disruption to others....
Funnily there was another family that lived over the road that had three sons, that were supposedly ADHD again as you watched em grow up and turn 15, 16 etc they obviously needed discipline rather than a label, as every time they did anything wrong( which usually involved the plod) the line'oh hes got ADHD' was used
However, my best mate lives in France, her son I think has Dyspraxia. Rory is now 13, but still has the learning age of about 6. My own sons learning is overtaking his now, when my son is over there Rory loves it as (in his mind) he has someone his own age to play with. Rory is an absolutley marvellous lad, and his talent for drawing in perspection is superb. On the outside you'd think he was any normal 13 yr old, and as we all say Rory is as well Rory is. Hes well mannered( most of the time) but when hes having a frustrated day hes not nice, but hey what would you feel like being trapped like that!! Hes in a special school over there, as he was over here. My mate had rest bite care over here too, but they don't do it over there.
sticking labels on badly parented kids, just makes life more difficult for those that have genuine problems with their kids.
Get rid of the naany state rules, where all parents can discipline their kids without them threatening to have you arrested for assault etc and I think that most ADHD diagnosis would vanish....because all bad kids would get a good hiding from their mums n dads
my points exactly my little boy looks like a six year old but inside he ain't and it is so frustrating to watch for me and his dad so i don't know what it is like for him but he is a wizz with computers and we love him but he can also be very nasty and aggressive
it is so frustrating to watch for me and his dad so i don't know what it is like for him but he is a wizz with computers and we love him but he can also be very nasty and aggressive
Similar in our case, James will often type out his homework in vi (geeks will understand that for a 9 year old of any ability, that's quite an achievement).
He also tends to implode rather than explode emotionally, taking it out on himself rather than others.
Similar in our case, James will often type out his homework in vi (geeks will understand that for a 9 year old of any ability, that's quite an achievement).
He also tends to implode rather than explode emotionally, taking it out on himself rather than others.
my little man lets it out on me by hitting and throwing things
my little man lets it out on me by hitting and throwing things
I rekcon that'd be better than self-harming, well, if I were in your position, not my missus.
See what a can of worms you've opened svracer12!! :lol:
SoulKiss
27-06-08, 10:20 AM
Similar in our case, James will often type out his homework in vi (geeks will understand that for a 9 year old of any ability, that's quite an achievement).
He also tends to implode rather than explode emotionally, taking it out on himself rather than others.
YAY!!!!!!
Tho I figure being autistic probably HELPs when it comes to using VI....................
YAY!!!!!!
Tho I figure being autistic probably HELPs when it comes to using VI....................
OI! There shall be none of that flame war here thank you very much. Stick to the subject.
Kid types homework in vi, how cool is that! :D
Anyway, please continue on the subject folks.
I am a teacher in an SEN School, If you need any references to any good literature or a chat, feel free to get intouch.
OI! There shall be none of that flame war here thank you very much. Stick to the subject.
Kid types homework in vi, how cool is that! :D
Anyway, please continue on the subject folks.
Why can't he flame vi :confused: it's hardly a personal attack on say, someone's son or anything. :???:
ADD/ADHD is a poor excuse that people use for their own failings. I've worked with kids that have been diagnosed as ADD and ADHD and the truth of the matter from where I was standing is that the parents have no control, no respect for authority, no responsibility and let their kids just run riot. When their running riot is addressed, the parents will push every button needed to have their kid labelled as 'different' as if to give them an excuse for their own bad perenting.
We had kids who were supposed to be on meds to control their ADD/ADHD, but they never took them and their parents would always send them in to us with a bag full of snack foods full of all the E numbers that are supposed to be kept out of their diet.
There's only one solution, ban the use of the terms ADD and ADHD and threaten to put the 'sufferers' in front of a firing squad at the third offence. I'll bet you'll find an awful lot of these stupid terms and conditions would magically vanish overnight.
I'm sorry, but I can't see the point in wasting time and money on counselling, medication, and special needs teaching facilities for these types of kids, when a quick hard punch in the face(*) at an early age would have done the job.
Let's spend that money helping the kids with real and proper learning difficulties, like dyslexia, dyspraxia and suchlike.
(*) And one for each parent too.
From my experience, it (and many other terms) are over used. However, ADD and ADHD are very real conditions and those that do have them are very frustrated individuals who need a lot of patience and support to give them the life skills and education to get by after school.
Society needs to be more accepting of those who need such support. Doctors need to stop giving the incorrect diagnosis so quickly, and irresponisble parents need to give their children a better start to life rather than screwing them up by filling them full of rubbish and not setting clear boundaries.
Hmm interesting thread, interesting posts. My daughter is five and in a SEN school and I have to say her progress is fantastic. I agree with a lot of the comments previous and have some very strong views on the subjects raised but far too damning and certainly not to be posted here.
My daughter is Autistic, beautiful and a Daddys girl. She loves to greet me from work and likes to climb on my SV mumbling motorbike motorbike which really makes my day. I really really struggled at first with the Autism and almost threw in the towel and left, a lot of fathers do. But I stuck it out and my wife has battled the authorities gained a statement and access to a decent school.
She is unable to communicate with us, just plays with her toys happily 90% of the time. But we spend a lot of time with her playing and encouraging all the time. We dont go anywhere without her and this personal attention all of the time has developed our autistic girl into a well behaved child who is far better behaved than most `normal` children we know. Just a trip to the supermarket each week highlights this point.
Rant - Pay attention to your children, they have needs. Some more than others but with enough love attention and sheer determination they will improve and its so so so satisfying to see them improve.
Hmm interesting thread, interesting posts. My daughter is five and in a SEN school and I have to say her progress is fantastic. I agree with a lot of the comments previous and have some very strong views on the subjects raised but far too damning and certainly not to be posted here.
My daughter is Autistic, beautiful and a Daddys girl. She loves to greet me from work and likes to climb on my SV mumbling motorbike motorbike which really makes my day. I really really struggled at first with the Autism and almost threw in the towel and left, a lot of fathers do. But I stuck it out and my wife has battled the authorities gained a statement and access to a decent school.
She is unable to communicate with us, just plays with her toys happily 90% of the time. But we spend a lot of time with her playing and encouraging all the time. We dont go anywhere without her and this personal attention all of the time has developed our autistic girl into a well behaved child who is far better behaved than most `normal` children we know. Just a trip to the supermarket each week highlights this point.
Rant - Pay attention to your children, they have needs. Some more than others but with enough love attention and sheer determination they will improve and its so so so satisfying to see them improve.
been there mate.Keep up the good work
Hey GID we did have discussions a while ago mate I remember.
You too mate, seeya.
I find it interesting that the parents of children who genuinely have these problems are the ones that state that they spend a great deal of time, and effort into researching and getting the best facilities and help for their kids in order that they may live a full and normal life as much as is possible dependent on their level of disability. These are the kids who people don't see out on the street alone, or in gangs, and who mostly close family / teachers / friends are the only ones to witness issues.
It seems to me, though, that it is a large proportion of younger parents (not exclusively, mind you!) - who have maybe not had great parents themselves to act as an example - who watch too many daytime tv shows and would prefer to turf their kids out on the street to terrorize the general public who fall back on these "conditions".
I find it hard to believe that a 2 year old can be accurately "diagnosed", especially when it is the same two year old screaming and having howling fits that can clearly scream "ICE CREAM"! It is the same child that becomes a waster, as the parents had a ready excuse for any bad behaviour.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking that these people deserve stoning for their complete and utter lack of respect to what real parents go through and deal with on a daily basis. It's thanks to them that money is wasted, experts and other help aren't available and people with genuine problems end up waiting in fear of being written off as another lazy parent.
Rant over!
the_runt69
27-06-08, 11:28 PM
When the wife used to do SEN with an Austic child there were 2 ADD kids in the class, Both were the eldest children of large familys whose fathers were in nick and the mothers were struggling. As computers in the class room were new at the time some of us parents were helping out and made the decision that they had to behave to be included in the computer use. After a few weeks they could see what fun the other kids were having with working on the computer and wanted to be a part of this and afte a few tantrums settled down to work and improved until they got their chance on the computers.
After this their behavior improved no end and they enojoyd what limited time we could give them on the computers and actually became noraml kids. I think the label is now giiven to bad children too easyly as with a bit of encourgement it can be taken out very easily for most of the problem kids
How many ADD kids does it take to screw in a lightbulb???
...Who's up for skateboarding???
On a more seriuos note, i was diagnosed with a mild form of ADD and feel that my education definately suffered a little due to my inability to revise properely. I was never pecribed anything and feel i am coping ok with work etc now.
i believe that out there ,there are many kids that have qeniune problems like my son.I don't and won't label him with ADD OR ADHD , he has Autistic Tendencies and he is hard work. for people with kids like my son ,i think you are doing a great job ,keep up the good work. the problem we have now, is that the 21 month old is copying everything her brother is doing,and we don't want her to be labelled ADD.
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