Pour me another one Gordon

[gettin2dizzy]

Now Gordon is wanting to bring in measures to stop us all drinking so much. All of you who cheered for the smoking ban....... how do you feel know?! :lol: One ban only opens the door to another…


But… what is it that makes us feel the need to go out and get sh*tfaced at the weekends?

[Luckypants]

But… what is it that makes us feel the need to go out and get sh*tfaced at the weekends?

I don't - nor do I as a rule. I do not condemn those that do, unless they are violent drunks.

[sarah]

what is it that makes us feel the need to go out and get sh*tfaced at the weekends?

I don't like having weekday hangovers.

[Warthog]

And now with ISPs tracking what you are doing on the internet (http://tech.uk.msn.com/news/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8994235), I am getting increasingly annoyed with the government interference. But seriously, what can we do? Only time people power worked was with poll tax, it would take one big law and then a movement of millions of people to change things.

[G]

I dont drink really. So bring it on.........

Me personally I would sooner spend £100 riding all weekend.



Edit:I was joking about bring it on by the way. Smoking damages the people around you all the time, drinking damages yourself only essentially (until you look deeper into it).

I can see the problems associated with the cost to the NHS, Police, Courts and general public through damage to propety etc that comes from the drunkness, fighting, alcholism, crime and damage. Which is probably on the same cost terms if not more than the ultimate cost of smoking.

It is something that need to be sorted out some how.

[Warthog]

I dont drink really. So bring it on.........

Me personally I would sooner spend £100 riding all weekend.



Edit:I was joking about bring it on by the way. Smoking damages the people around you all the time, drinking damages yourself only essentially (until you look deeper into it).

I can see the problems associated with the cost to the NHS, Police, Courts and general public through damage to propety etc that comes from the drunkness, fighting, alcholism, crime and damage. Which is probably on the same cost terms if not more than the ultimate cost of smoking.

It is something that need to be sorted out some how.

All that is down to education. I like drinking, and have gotten quite blasted in my time, but I have never been arrested or even talked to by police, never vandalised or graffittied anything and never robbed or assaulted someone. I am in fact rather loving when drunk :). So stay out of my life Gordon!

[Grinch]

How does a pint of petrol compare to the price of a pint of beer, it will be cheaper to get drunk soon.

[Ceri JC]

But… what is it that makes us feel the need to go out and get sh*tfaced at the weekends?

All these taxes! :D

[sarah]

All that is down to education. I like drinking, and have gotten quite blasted in my time, but I have never been arrested or even talked to by police, never vandalised or graffittied anything and never robbed or assaulted someone. I am in fact rather loving when drunk :). So stay out of my life Gordon!

you did try and put someone in a wheeliebin though

[fizzwheel]

It is something that need to be sorted out some how.

I dont think legislation though is the answer. I dont want or need Gordan Brown to tell me how much is OK for me to drink, thats my decision.

[G]

All that is down to education. I like drinking, and have gotten quite blasted in my time, but I have never been arrested or even talked to by police, never vandalised or graffittied anything and never robbed or assaulted someone. I am in fact rather loving when drunk :). So stay out of my life Gordon!

Oh yes, totally agree, I used to ocassionaly get hammered when I couldnt take the stick for not going out as often as my mates who can happily spend £100 EVERY friday/saturday night (and then wonder why they still live at home at 25/30) :rolleyes: I enjoy the intial stages but get the most rediculous hangovers that make me feel crap for a week after.

It may well be down to education, but that really doesn't work with anything anymore, even more so with the up and coming youth of today 'innit'.

I dont think legislation though is the answer. I dont want or need Gordan Brown to tell me how much is OK for me to drink, thats my decision.

I agree, I dont know what the answer is though. I do know Gordon Brown and his posse are a liability and cant/shouldnt be allowed to come up with one.

[Warthog]

you did try and put someone in a wheeliebin though

Who was that? :lol:

[fizzwheel]

I agree, I dont know what the answer is though. I do know Gordon Brown and his posse are a liability and cant/shouldnt be allowed to come up with one.

Agreed

[Grinch]

Its different to smoking is drinking as you can't 'passive' drink.

[gettin2dizzy]

Its different to smoking is drinking as you can't 'passive' drink.
You don't smoke and get in to fights ;)

[ArtyLady]

Now Gordon is wanting to bring in measures to stop us all drinking so much. All of you who cheered for the smoking ban....... how do you feel know?! :lol: One ban only opens the door to another…


But… what is it that makes us feel the need to go out and get sh*tfaced at the weekends?

Doesnt bother me...I dont drink or smoke! :smt082

I have lots of other vices though :smt077 :lol:

[Grinch]

You don't smoke and get in to fights ;)

Nope your right I don't.

[gettin2dizzy]

I don't like having weekday hangovers.
:lol:
How does a pint of petrol compare to the price of a pint of beer, it will be cheaper to get drunk soon.
Tescos own brand beer is £1.10 / litre ;) My homebrew works out about 50ish p/litre :thumbsup:

[Flamin_Squirrel]

But seriously, what can we do? Only time people power worked was with poll tax, it would take one big law and then a movement of millions of people to change things.

Power ultimately lies with the electorate - it's just up to us to exercise that power.

However, I'm sad to say but I think most people want someone else to take responsibility for their lives. That used to be the job of the church, now it's the government instead.

There are plenty of people who moan about the nanny state, but when something bad happens they immediately complain that the government didn't do something to stop it. I fear those geuinely horrified by all this government intrusion are in the minority.

[Dave The Rave]

We could talk about this for ages. As a country with most CCTV cameras per person in the world (1% of world's population and 20% plus of all CCTVs) we live in the country where we are more and more restricted. What to drink, eat, smoke etc. And solution to the problem is pushing the prices of each commodity higher and higher (fags, drinks, petrol, drugs, food etc). There is no real education as majority of us is happy to "follow". I find it disturbing as we do not come up with real solutions but with short term fixes which in long term create more problems (setting precedens etc). I don't think there is a way how to stop that. There will be ID cards, constant monitoring of internet usage, speed box in each car/bike, 10 cctv cameras per head, automatic access to everyone bank account to deduct fines for speeding, drinking too much, buying too much unhealthy food etc. Yet we will be helping some God forgotten country in who knows where to establish democracy and give asylum to more criminals flooding this country from all over the world. Madness!

Well, rant over :-)

[Grinch]

I think we could sort all this if just all sat down round a nice fire and had a sing song...


Though the fire would have to be a 'soft' light incase we burn ourselves and we would have to mumble as to not copyright infringe any songs.

[G]

I fear those geuinely horrified by all this government intrusion are in the minority.

You are probably right.

The vast majority probably couldnt careless right now, they have bigger fish to fry, like keeping hold of their jobs, enjoying life and paying the mortgage.

Things like smoking and drinking are areas that effect a minority, and only the hardline drinkers, smokers and liberals are that bothered they feel the need to speak out.

G2D makes the point that legislation creates the path for yet more legislation, which I think is what you are getting at, allowing intrusion into our lives make way for yet more intrusion later on down the line.

Sadly some intrusion is necessary as common sense within the majority appears to be all but gone, and the majority of people are idiots.

Me..........I have taken to not watching the news, not reading the papers, which are all filled with benefits this, immigrants thats and heres some legislation the goverment is thinking about. Half of the crap discussed never comes to anything, and not hearing about all the other crap makes life a whole lot more relaxing.

[G]

We could talk about this for ages. As a country with most CCTV cameras per person in the world (1% of world's population and 20% plus of all CCTVs) we live in the country where we are more and more restricted. What to drink, eat, smoke etc. And solution to the problem is pushing the prices of each commodity higher and higher (fags, drinks, petrol, drugs, food etc). There is no real education as majority of us is happy to "follow". I find it disturbing as we do not come up with real solutions but with short term fixes which in long term create more problems (setting precedens etc). I don't think there is a way how to stop that. There will be ID cards, constant monitoring of internet usage, speed box in each car/bike, 10 cctv cameras per head, automatic access to everyone bank account to deduct fines for speeding, drinking too much, buying too much unhealthy food etc. Yet we will be helping some God forgotten country in who knows where to establish democracy and give asylum to more criminals flooding this country from all over the world. Madness!

Well, rant over :-)

I think you need to take this approach.....


Me..........I have taken to not watching the news, not reading the papers, which are all filled with benefits this, immigrants thats and heres some legislation the goverment is thinking about. Half of the crap discussed never comes to anything, and not hearing about all the other crap makes life a whole lot more relaxing.

Try it for a week. Feels great not hearing about all the crap that is 'apparently' going on.

[Ceri JC]

You don't smoke and get in to fights ;)

I don't drink and get into fights. If anything, I'm more likely to walk away from trouble after a few jars than when I'm sober.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

You are probably right.

The vast majority probably couldnt careless right now, they have bigger fish to fry, like keeping hold of their jobs, enjoying life and paying the mortgage.

Things like smoking and drinking are areas that effect a minority, and only the hardline drinkers, smokers and liberals are that bothered they feel the need to speak out.

I don't think that's the reason people don't seem to stand up against this kind of thing. Either people simply want as little responsibility as possible, even over their own lives; or they're deluding themselves into thinking that one more ban is ok, because nothing they do would ever be banned.

G2D makes the point that legislation creates the path for yet more legislation, which I think is what you are getting at, allowing intrusion into our lives make way for yet more intrusion later on down the line.

Sadly some intrusion is necessary as common sense within the majority appears to be all but gone, and the majority of people are idiots.

Absolutely. But the whole thing is cyclical. The more responsibility that's taken away from people, the less responsible they'll become - the less responsible they become, the more responsibility they'll have taken away. This is obviously not something that can continue forever, and the sooner the circle is broken the least painful it'll be. Can't see it happening any time soon though.

[gettin2dizzy]

I don't think that's the reason people don't seem to stand up against this kind of thing. Either people simply want as little responsibility as possible, even over their own lives; or they're deluding themselves into thinking that one more ban is ok, because nothing they do would ever be banned.

But no one makes a stand in the UK for the fear of being prosecuted. I don’t doubt that if you made a stand against Council Tax having risen above the rate of inflation for over 5 years in addition to a loss in services; you’d no doubt be cuffed and thrown in jail quicker than Mosley can even dream of! Our legal system used to be the fairest in the world. Now criminals treat it like a game and the civilised population live in fear of becoming the next statistic on their database.

Make your stand, have your 5 minutes in the papers before you’re forgotten in time. Re-enter life out of prison to be turned down from jobs by computers screening CVs. The fear instilled in the ‘good’ of the population couldn’t be higher. And believe it or not, most of the population are in that ‘good’ category.

Absolutely. But the whole thing is cyclical. The more responsibility that's taken away from people, the less responsible they'll become - the less responsible they become, the more responsibility they'll have taken away. This is obviously not something that can continue forever, and the sooner the circle is broken the least painful it'll be. Can't see it happening any time soon though.

It’s almost like dumbing down the nation is beneficial for the government. As if the current methods are leading to a two-tier society where the masses live in a rigidly controlled, taxing ‘factory’, feeding a grotesque top-rung of power crazy delinquents free to do as they wish. ;)

[Grinch]

I'll make a stand... but no one joines me, its gets lonely.

[gettin2dizzy]

I'm sure 'continental drinking' is a myth. They drink JUST as much. They're just more composed under the influence.