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Blue_SV650S
28-07-08, 06:20 PM
Went out for a ride on my pushbike today ... nice day for it and all that ... :riding:
But in one ride (~20 miles) I got hurled abuse on 4 separate occasions ...
Twice by car drivers, once by a cyclist and once by a pedestrian ... :(
People need to chill!! :rolleyes:
StreetHawk
28-07-08, 06:29 PM
Why were they abusing you? What did they say?
Blue_SV650S
28-07-08, 06:34 PM
Why were they abusing you? What did they say?
I was merrily listing to my iPod, so to be fair, I was in another world ... they could have been shouting out anything ... even how s3xy I was ... but lets face it, I doubt that was the case :oops: :lol:
I am not saying I wasn't doing anything slightly unorthodox, but I was enjoying my ride and not doing anyone any harm ... :-$
Tim in Belgium
28-07-08, 07:12 PM
But you shouldn't do that on pavements and going the wrong way up one way streets :)
Blue_SV650S
28-07-08, 07:25 PM
But you shouldn't do that on pavements and going the wrong way up one way streets :)
#1 I was cycling in the cycle lane ... admittedly the 'wrong side' of the road i.e. going against the traffic in the cycle lane on the RHS of the road ... I can't really see what difference that makes to the oncoming traffic as they shouldn't be in the cycle lane anyway ... and it actually means I can keep a better eye on the traffic rather than just getting clouted up the rear!!
#2 The oncoming pedestrians (row of about 5 yoofs) saw me coming towards them on the path (it was one of those shared footpaths and cycle thingys) as tehy were in a mob, they were taking up the whole path, but they refused to move out of the way to let me nicely through - so I stood up on the peddles and cycled up to 'ramming speed' 8) ... I narrowly avoided 'collecting' one of the little sh1ts as I torpedoed my way through ...
#3 I was trying to cross a busy road, so I crossed the oncoming lane in a gap ... then had to sit/cycle in the middle bit for a bit to get up to filtering in speed of the other lane ... the oncoming car called me a t*** ...
#4 Whilst cycling the wrong way up a cycle lane I was faced with an oncoming bike ... as the road was clear at that point, I pulled off the cycle lane onto the road to let the bike going the right way continue on his path ... evidently that still qualifies me as a w***er in Portsmoof!! :D
As I said, not like I was being a saint, but no real need for anyone to get sh1tty with me!! :rolleyes:
fizzwheel
28-07-08, 07:36 PM
:rolleyes:
Blue_SV650S
28-07-08, 07:41 PM
:rolleyes:
Your a bike man, you will be pleased to know the wheels&street tyres I liberated from my £10 dump-bike are little minxes now they are on my old chassis I can go faster with 50% less effort now!!! 8)
Iansv II
28-07-08, 08:24 PM
:rolleyes:
QFE
chris8886
28-07-08, 08:56 PM
Went out for a ride on my pushbike today ... nice day for it and all that ... :riding:
But in one ride (~20 miles) I got hurled abuse on 4 separate occasions ...
Twice by car drivers, once by a cyclist and once by a pedestrian ... :(
People need to chill!! :rolleyes:
you should've abused the buggers right back!!
i get right annoyed when people have ago at me for riding on a very wide pavement (quite slowly), of a busy road (that in all probablility would see me knocked off). i stear well clear of them and they still have a go every now and then. i'm not gonna walk with the bike, when i could be riding it!!
I saw the thread title and thought you had invented a new game in order to inject a little excitement back into motorcycling. This game + helmet cameras + interwebs = smash hit. I'm a little disappointed.
fizzwheel
28-07-08, 09:10 PM
you should've abused the buggers right back!!
Why, in 3 of the 4 scenarios he posted above, he is quite clearly behaving like a retard.
Personally I think he got off lightly... especially the one in coming down the cycle lane the wrong way. I think he's lucky all the other cyclist did was call him w*nker.
Tim in Belgium
28-07-08, 09:19 PM
Blue in thread controversey shocker ;)
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 05:34 AM
Why, in 3 of the 4 scenarios he posted above, he is quite clearly behaving like a retard.
Personally I think he got off lightly... especially the one in coming down the cycle lane the wrong way. I think he's lucky all the other cyclist did was call him w*nker.
How so? Apart from the yoof one (where I was proving a point - inconsiderate little sh1ts - they don't own the foot&cycle path!!) no one else was in any danger/put out by my actions ... I don't see why this would cause such people to get so upset ...
They need to "Chill Winston"!! :D (as evidently does the Fizz!! :D).
Went out for a ride on my pushbike today ... nice day for it and all that ... :riding:
But in one ride (~20 miles) I got hurled abuse on 4 separate occasions ...
Twice by car drivers, once by a cyclist and once by a pedestrian ... :(
People need to chill!! :rolleyes:People only shout if you do something wrong or you get in the way etc. So have you thought it might be you thats in the wrong?
Biker Biggles
29-07-08, 09:31 AM
:rave::nemo:
21QUEST
29-07-08, 09:53 AM
:rave::nemo:
Errr Lol
Ben
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 09:55 AM
People only shout if you do something wrong or you get in the way etc. So have you thought it might be you thats in the wrong?
I have already stated I was doing unorthodox stuff ... but nothing anyone should get grumpy about was it really; as it didn't effect anyone else in the slightest!!* evidently people just like to hurl abuse at any given opportunity ... :rolleyes: ... this is Protsmoof after all, so I am not massively surprised! ;) .. posh people would quietly grumble/comment to Marjorie in the passenger seat about it ... not loudly vocalise obscenities out of the window!! ;)
*with the exception of me speeding up and torpedoing the yoofs - I am not surprised I got a mouthful from the yoofs there - but it was their own doing to my mind as they didn't make way for me on the cycle bit of the path! .. technically, I had more 'right' to be there then them!! ;) Ignorant yoofs of today :smt019
I have already stated I was doing unorthodox stuff
I wouldn't say that riding on the wrong side of the road was 'unorthadox'. I would be more inclined to say that it's f**king stupid.
I would have shouted at you too for riding on the wrong side of the road, its as bad as those muppets in Soho on those death trap bike/taxi things going the wrong way up streets.
SoulKiss
29-07-08, 10:26 AM
Stop Feeding The Troll!!!!!
Stop Feeding The Troll!!!!!
quite!!
#1 I was cycling in the cycle lane ... admittedly the 'wrong side' of the road i.e. going against the traffic in the cycle lane on the RHS of the road ... I can't really see what difference that makes to the oncoming traffic as they shouldn't be in the cycle lane anyway ... and it actually means I can keep a better eye on the traffic rather than just getting clouted up the rear!!
#2 The oncoming pedestrians (row of about 5 yoofs) saw me coming towards them on the path (it was one of those shared footpaths and cycle thingys) as tehy were in a mob, they were taking up the whole path, but they refused to move out of the way to let me nicely through - so I stood up on the peddles and cycled up to 'ramming speed' 8) ... I narrowly avoided 'collecting' one of the little sh1ts as I torpedoed my way through ...
#3 I was trying to cross a busy road, so I crossed the oncoming lane in a gap ... then had to sit/cycle in the middle bit for a bit to get up to filtering in speed of the other lane ... the oncoming car called me a t*** ...
#4 Whilst cycling the wrong way up a cycle lane I was faced with an oncoming bike ... as the road was clear at that point, I pulled off the cycle lane onto the road to let the bike going the right way continue on his path ... evidently that still qualifies me as a w***er in Portsmoof!! :D
As I said, not like I was being a saint, but no real need for anyone to get sh1tty with me!! :rolleyes:
I have to say mate, although I also do some silly / risky things on my pushbike at times, in the case of number 1, if I was one of the people driving a car towards you, I'd have probably called you a wan*er too!
In the case of number 2, it was reported only a couple of weeks ago that a girl died after a cyclist who refused to move out of the way on a pavement hit her on the way past :???: As much as I'd hate to get out of the way of a scrote on an actual cycle lane, you really don't want a death on your conscience!
Number 3, no probs there O:)
Number 4, see answer to number 1! :smt019
I would say that the abuse you received was at least partly your fault ;)
You should get out in to the country or on some trails where there's no civilisation to hassle you!
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 11:02 AM
I wouldn't say that riding on the wrong side of the road was 'unorthadox'. I would be more inclined to say that it's f**king stupid.
I would have shouted at you too for riding on the wrong side of the road, its as bad as those muppets in Soho on those death trap bike/taxi things going the wrong way up streets.
But the cycle lane is technically another element of the road ... regardless of if I am in there going towards or away, inside out or upside down surely it doesn't really matter (to cars)??
Also why is it more dangerous for me to be in the cycle lane in the wrong direction??? I think it is safer ... one always walks on the wrong side of the road (if there is no footpath). By the same logic, it actually makes more sense to me to do it in this manner on my pushbike ...
After all the comments lately about people stereotyping cyclists you really aren't doing yourself any favours are you. Stupid, dangerous and deliberately antagonising.... I'd have stuck my arm out and clotheslined you off the f**king thing.
Thats me finished on this subject.
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 11:12 AM
After all the comments lately about people stereotyping cyclists you really aren't doing yourself any favours are you. Stupid, dangerous and deliberately antagonising.... I'd have stuck my arm out and clotheslined you off the f**king thing.
Thats me finished on this subject.
The yoofs aside (I admit I lost my cool there - little fecks! :( ), why was any of the other 3 instances stupid, dangerous and deliberately antagonising?? :scratch:
Note: Read my last post about walking in the direction of traffic.
SoulKiss
29-07-08, 11:17 AM
The yoofs aside (I admit I lost my cool there - little fecks! :( ), why was any of the other 3 instances stupid, dangerous and deliberately antagonising?? :scratch:
Note: Read my last post about walking in the direction of traffic.
Because being a pedestrian is different from being a cyclist in LAW
Jester666
29-07-08, 11:18 AM
**Calling IB Mods**
Easy way to stop the troll being fed is to lock this thread! :rolleyes:
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 11:22 AM
**Calling IB Mods**
Easy way to stop the troll being fed is to lock this thread! :rolleyes:
Go play somewhere else :rolleyes: it's not a troll, its a serious question ... please explain to me what is so shockingly dangerous to hurl abuse in the street (and on here).
Jester666
29-07-08, 11:26 AM
Just admit it you did wrong and got abuse for it.
Would you do those things in your car/on your motycicle? If you would then you deserve all the abuse you get.
Road laws apply to cyclists as well.
EDIT: Dammit! I fed the troll!! :lol:
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 11:29 AM
Just admit it you did wrong and got abuse for it.
Would you do those things in your car/on your motycicle? If you would then you deserve all the abuse you get.
Road laws apply to cyclists as well.
I know what I did was unorthodox, but not sure it was 'wrong' (well the yoof thing was a bit naughty I admit - 2 wrongs don't make a right and all that! :oops:)
So please, someone go fish out the bit of the law that states direction of travel in a non directional cycle lane ...
If you can I won't do it again (well I can't promise that, but I will try! :lol:).
I don't think it states anything about cycles, though if I remeber correctly it states about you traveling in the face on on coming traffic. I haven't got time to go looking...
Jester666
29-07-08, 11:44 AM
68
You MUST NOT
carry a passenger unless your cycle has been built or adapted to carry one
hold onto a moving vehicle or trailer
ride in a dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner
ride when under the influence of drink or drugs, including medicine[Law RTA 1988 sects 24, 26, 28, 29 & 30 as amended by RTA 1991]
62
Cycle Tracks. These are normally located away from the road, but may occasionally be found alongside footpaths or pavements. Cyclists and pedestrians may be segregated or they may share the same space (unsegregated). When using segregated tracks you MUST keep to the side intended for cyclists as the pedestrian side remains a pavement or footpath. Take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary. Take care near road junctions as you may have difficulty seeing other road users, who might not notice you.
[Law HA 1835 sect 72]
The direction of travel in a cycle lane is dictated by the direction of the road markings. If the cycle marks are upside down you are going the wrong way.
HTH.
21QUEST
29-07-08, 11:51 AM
68
You MUST NOT
carry a passenger unless your cycle has been built or adapted to carry one
hold onto a moving vehicle or trailer
ride in a dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner
ride when under the influence of drink or drugs, including medicine[Law RTA 1988 sects 24, 26, 28, 29 & 30 as amended by RTA 1991]
62
Cycle Tracks. These are normally located away from the road, but may occasionally be found alongside footpaths or pavements. Cyclists and pedestrians may be segregated or they may share the same space (unsegregated). When using segregated tracks you MUST keep to the side intended for cyclists as the pedestrian side remains a pavement or footpath. Take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary. Take care near road junctions as you may have difficulty seeing other road users, who might not notice you.
[Law HA 1835 sect 72]
The direction of travel in a cycle lane is dictated by the direction of the road markings. If the cycle marks are upside down you are going the wrong way.
HTH.
:lol:
"six six six"......"W1 to Croydon"......."six six six" Roger That?" :smt003 :lol: ;)
Ben
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 12:01 PM
HTH.
Not really, no ...
Firstly what is considered 'dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner'? where is that defined and what one (or more) of my 4 does that refer to?
We already agree that although the fecks are annoying, torpedoing the yoofs was my-bad. So no need to put a rubber stamp on '62'
"The direction of travel in a cycle lane is dictated by the direction of the road markings. If the cycle marks are upside down you are going the wrong way."
That however makes sense, but is that/it written down by law that I can't go t-other way? :scratch: Fish that out plz.
21QUEST
29-07-08, 12:04 PM
Not really, no ...
Firstly what is considered 'dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner'? where is that defined?
We already agree that although the fecks are annoying, torpedoing the yoofs was my-bad. So no need for '62'
"The direction of travel in a cycle lane is dictated by the direction of the road markings. If the cycle marks are upside down you are going the wrong way."
That however makes sense, but is that written down by law that I can't go t-other way? :scratch: Fish that out plz.
:rolleyes:
Please carry on :D
Ben
I think its called common sense, now even I think your just being arguemenative. Some things are left to people to think for yourselves, or would you like even more laws untill you can fart without permission. And I rather like farting.
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 12:09 PM
I think its called common sense, now even I think your just being arguemenative. Some things are left to people to think for yourselves, or would you like even more laws untill you can fart without permission. And I rather like farting.
If there isn't a law already, my common sense tells me that like you would on foot - its a good idea to face oncoming traffic on a pushbike as I have more control over my destiny!! 8)
So I am not being argumentative, I am actually using my common sense to make my journey as safe* and easy as possible and wondering why others can't see it!! 8) .. its you lot that are being argumentative ;)
*again with the caveat that the yoof thing was my-bad
I think its called common sense, now even I think your just being arguemenative. Some things are left to people to think for yourselves, or would you like even more laws untill you can fart without permission. And I rather like farting.
*giggles*
If there isn't a law already, my common sense tells me that like you would on foot - its a good idea to face oncoming traffic on a pushbike as I have more control over my destiny!! 8)
So I am not being argumentative, I am actually using my common sense to make my journey as safe and easy as possible and wondering why others can't see it!! 8)
But is the fact that everyone dissagreeing with you mean that your not using the right common sense? That's how people know they are wrong... or have I got confused now?
fizzwheel
29-07-08, 12:12 PM
So I am not being argumentative, I am actually using my common sense to make my journey as safe* and easy as possible and wondering why others can't see it!! 8)
OK so if the cycle lane wasnt there. Would you have ridden in the same manner. On the wrong side of the road against the flow of traffic ?
because from reading your post that looks exactly what you have done. Surely its common sense to ride in the same direction the traffic is going in ?
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 12:19 PM
OK so if the cycle lane wasnt there. Would you have ridden in the same manner. On the wrong side of the road against the flow of traffic ?
because from reading your post that looks exactly what you have done. Surely its common sense to ride in the same direction the traffic is going in ?
No I would have ridden on the pavement (and I know that is technically wrong, but again, common sense tells me I am better off on there than on the road regardless of the pavement law) ... obviously we are not talking down the high-street, just general non or very sparsely populated footpaths.
If there was no footpaths, I would ride in the same direction of the traffic ...
To my mind the cycle lane is for cyclists though, my direction of travel within it shouldn't really overly concern a motorist should it? ... the fact I am in it is all that matters ... a closing speed of 25mph or closing speed of 45mph, what's the difference? the car is still approaching me and needs to keep the feck out of my cycle lane!! ;)
p.s. It's not like I always travel in the 'wrong' cycle lane ... just I don't see the harm in it when/if I do ;)
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 12:21 PM
But is the fact that everyone dissagreeing with you mean that your not using the right common sense? That's how people know they are wrong... or have I got confused now?
Common sense isn't simply the opinion shared by the many (the average/common) , it is the ability to have good judgement. ;)
Else it would be common sense to watch Eastenders!! :D
fizzwheel
29-07-08, 12:25 PM
To my mind the cycle lane is for cyclists though, my direction of travel within it shouldn't really overly concern a motorist should it?
True, but they arent going to be expecting you to ride towards them on the wrong side of the road. In my experience last thing you want to do is to put yourself in an unexpected situation you are going to get knocked off... which is where IMHO the common sense argument comes in.
... the fact I am in it is all that matters ... a closing speed of 25mph or closing speed of 45mph, what's the difference? the car is still approaching me and needs to keep the feck out of my cycle lane!! ;)
Yes but quite often they dont. I've seen plenty of cars in cycle lanes or passing close. I've been a victim of it. What I'm saying is its not good saying "oh but I was in the cycle lane car x or y shouldnt have been there" when said car has hit you and run you over or your stuck underneath it.
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Jester666
29-07-08, 12:32 PM
You just seem to be arguing for the sake of it. Not the most intelligent form of debate is it?
So, judging by your badly worded replies, in your humble opinion, traffic laws regarding cyclists are open to your own interpretation?
Don't get me wrong, I don't exactly stick to the letter of the law. However, I don't blatantly say its ok to do it and then have the cheek to complain when someone objects and gives out abuse.
I rest my case about trolling!!
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 12:32 PM
Yes but quite often they dont. I've seen plenty of cars in cycle lanes or passing close. I've been a victim of it. What I'm saying is its not good saying "oh but I was in the cycle lane car x or y shouldnt have been there" when said car has hit you and run you over or your stuck underneath it.
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I too have been a victim of cars/buses in the cycle lane ... where they have come alongside or up from the rear and clouted/squeezed me, I'd much rather have seen them coming and then I could have got out of the way rather than get clouted squeezed to the kerb!!!! :( (I can hop on the kerb/pavement if there were oncoming.)
I have been 'squeezed' more times than I can remember, I have only been knocked off once (going the right way in a cycle lane I might add) Fortunately I only got a scuffed knee etc, but it still piddled me off that I didn't have a chance/see it coming! - regardless of the law, that is why I prefer to use the pavement (as long as it isn't full of pedestrians).
maybe you weren't the victim of abuse due to your riding or your riding actions, maybe it was cos they knew who you were...?
If there isn't a law already, my common sense tells me that like you would on foot - its a good idea to face oncoming traffic on a pushbike as I have more control over my destiny!! 8)
Nope, don't agree with this at all I'm afraid. If you're on a road with a 40mph limit, and you're travelling in the same direction doing 20-25mph, if someone does happen to knock in to the back of you they'll push you forward a bit and you've got a chance of getting off lightly.
If you're going in the opposite direction and someone veers in to you (cos they're not expecting you there :rolleyes:) you're going to have an impact speed of 60-65mph. You're gonna be seriously injured if not dead. Just cos it seems to make sense to you isn't going to miraculously educate 30 million motorists to your way of thinking!
:smt062 :p
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 12:38 PM
maybe you weren't the victim of abuse due to your riding or your riding actions, maybe it was cos they knew who you were...?
That's true, I do tend to get abuse just walking down the street ... :smt014 :D
All of this tedious point scoring is really getting on my nerves and changing the atmosphere of this forum and what I understood to be the ethos of sv650.org.
I dislike it when IB becomes a platform for one person to shout above all others in order to constantly hear his own voice.
We have had several instances recently on here of rational, intelligent debate which are an oasis of reason in a sea of angsty bike forums. This is not one of those instances.
Go away!
fizzwheel
29-07-08, 12:43 PM
traffic laws regarding cyclists are open to your own interpretation?
This seems to be quite a well founded opinion that alot of cyclists have. Oh its OK the law doesnt apply to me. How many times have I heard people say "I jump red lights because its safer to not stop at a junction because a car might hit me from the rear"
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 12:45 PM
Nope, don't agree with this at all I'm afraid. If you're on a road with a 40mph limit, and you're travelling in the same direction doing 20-25mph, if someone does happen to knock in to the back of you they'll push you forward a bit and you've got a chance of getting off lightly.
If you're going in the opposite direction and someone veers in to you (cos they're not expecting you there :rolleyes:) you're going to have an impact speed of 60-65mph. You're gonna be seriously injured if not dead. Just cos it seems to make sense to you isn't going to miraculously educate 30 million motorists to your way of thinking!
:smt062 :p
I was dilly-dallying enjoying the sun and the freedom of being out on my bike... doubt I was doing more than 5-7mph!! 8) .. it wasn't exactly busy on this particular stretch either!! I should imagine only 6-10 cars came toward me in ~2 mile stretch!!
Anyway, even if you were doing 35mph, getting smacked up the rear at 40mph is still going to see you hitting the pavement/kerb/lampost at 40mph!! That is still going to smart!! ;)
But you are right 47mph head-on is going to smart too ;)
Which is why I prefer using the pavement where possible/sensible (i.e. not many/any pedestrians, I know by the law its never sensible)!! 8)
This seems to be quite a well founded opinion that alot of cyclists have. Oh its OK the law doesnt apply to me. How many times have I heard people say "I jump red lights because its safer to not stop at a junction because a car might hit me from the rear"
That's forgeting the one coming from the side, which is what happened to some lass the other week did it not? Once you start forgeting to stop at red lights you start conditioning yourself to miss the dangers and then you go splat.
dunno if its been said...but is there a possibility that your actions - cycling against the flow of traffic - could cause alarm to an oncoming car? an older person? or an inexperienced driver? and cause them to panic and swerve...?
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 12:50 PM
Jumped up guff!
If you think my threads are tripe, then don't read them!! :rolleyes:
dunno if its been said...but is there a possibility that your actions - cycling against the flow of traffic - could cause alarm to an oncoming car? an older person? or an inexperienced driver? and cause them to panic and swerve...?
Now there IS a point I hadn't considered!! :-k
It must be Troll feeding time again. :roll:
Which is why I prefer using the pavement where possible/sensible (i.e. not many/any pedestrians, I know by the law its never sensible)!! 8)
I hate it when cyclists use the pavements :smt019. When I first used to go out with my wife on our bikes she had never ridden on the road as she was scared - I quickly got her out of that habit and now she's fine :)
At the end of the day there are prescribed cycle lanes in some places, not in others. I actually don't know of any near where I live so I've never used one. If I did, it'd be in the direction of the traffic flow.
The fact is that cars will not be expecting to see a cyclist coming towards them on their side of the road and thus are more likely to react abnormally to it. Whether this is panic and swerving, or giving you the finger or whatever, who knows. But the fact that they're giving you the finger or looking at you out of the corner of their eye could in itself cause an accident, even if it doesn't involve you :smt102
You could be hit from behind when your in your car or on your motorbike, I don't think motorists are deliberately out to hit cyclists any more than any other road users! :-o
And 5-7mph? Come on man that's walking pace! :p:)
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 01:13 PM
It must be Troll feeding time again. :roll:
Your another one that always has negativity, if you don't like my threads, then move on ... the threads are 'named' even before you click on it, so why do you read them???? :rolleyes:
Or do you just like making a fuss so you can be heard? :scratch: - Yeah, that's it all right!! :rolleyes:
And 5-7mph? Come on man that's walking pace! :p:)
As I said, just out for a mindless bimble ... enjoying my 'tunes' and the air/sun not trying to cause anyone any harm/out to make agro!! 8)
Which is why it came as more of a surprise when I got abuse 4 times!! :lol:
Warthog
29-07-08, 01:17 PM
Dude, cycle lanes are for one way only, they are only one bicycle wide! Face it, you went the wrong way up a lane and got shouted out. Don't do it again!
As for the yobbo's, I'd have done the same myself. But be careful: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7498562.stm
Put yourself in other persons shoes. Knowing your obstinacy, if someone had come down the wrong way in your lane you'd have run them over!
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 01:32 PM
Dude, cycle lanes are for one way only, they are only one bicycle wide! Face it, you went the wrong way up a lane and got shouted out. Don't do it again!
As for the yobbo's, I'd have done the same myself. But be careful: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7498562.stm
Put yourself in other persons shoes. Knowing your obstinacy, if someone had come down the wrong way in your lane you'd have run them over!
I can assess the risk to myself fine (I am a big boy now), but the only thing I hadn't considered is the potential from a driver over-reacting in surprise ... that and that alone has made me reconsider doing this in the future (well done KeithD for first pointing that out, its a good point ;)).
But at this juncture (after your comments), I'd like to point out:- I did give the dude (going the right way in the lane) right of way ... I was always going to concede as I considered him to have right of way - it was never going to be a head-on ... I saw him and began to gave way with a closing distance of prolly 100m!! ... oh and to get this into context, he was the ONLY cyclist I came up against, so its not like it was a massively busy time/place either!! ... bearing in mind I intended to concede to oncoming cyclists, it wouldn't have been worth my while going the wrong way if there were lots of other cyclists about! ;)
So that really was no 'danger' issue in itself (no oncoming traffic either) with the other oncoming cyclist.
But yes, I'll try and 'keep my head' next time I am faced with inconsiderate yoofs!! :oops:
right. i'd say all points covered, argued and counter-argued.
game over i reckon?
5...4...3...2....1 lock!
I think the "How many times can you get hurled abuse in one ride?" game idea would have actually been less controversial and better received!
In the voice of Rodney Dangerfield:
Hey, let's hear it for the Blueligan, he's alright!
Spiderman
29-07-08, 03:15 PM
#2 The oncoming pedestrians (row of about 5 yoofs) saw me coming towards them on the path (it was one of those shared footpaths and cycle thingys) as tehy were in a mob, they were taking up the whole path, but they refused to move out of the way to let me nicely through - so I stood up on the peddles and cycled up to 'ramming speed' 8) ... I narrowly avoided 'collecting' one of the little sh1ts as I torpedoed my way through ...
....
As I said, not like I was being a saint, but no real need for anyone to get sh1tty with me!! :rolleyes:
Try telling that to the girl that some tw@ of a cyclist killed recently in much the same way. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2263354/Cyclist-knocked-down-and-killed-teenage-girl,-court-hears.html
And then perhaps try growing up and you may realise that maybe some of the peeps were shouting at you for good reasons.
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 05:58 PM
Try telling that to the girl that some tw@ of a cyclist killed recently in much the same way. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2263354/Cyclist-knocked-down-and-killed-teenage-girl,-court-hears.html
And then perhaps try growing up and you may realise that maybe some of the peeps were shouting at you for good reasons.
He did bad - not a ideal outcome - but lets face it, her and her other under-age yoof 'stella drinkers' wandering the streets were hardly angels/saints! :rolleyes: As I said, the outcome is not good, but try and picture what really happened ... the 'attitude' these boozes up yoof s were MORE THAN LIKELY* taking ;)
If it was the situation I envisage - any one of you would have been counter-aggressive too!! :p .. its just a shame it turned out the way it did ...
*if it is an a-typical picture of our current yoof society
Jester666
29-07-08, 06:10 PM
At no point in this thread have you admitted that you have done wrong except for the pavement/youth bit.
Can you really not accept that the majority of people who have deigned to answer this thread are correct by saying you are wrong and deserved it?
It seems to me that if someone disagrees with you that they are wrong.
Let's see if you can do something I don't remember ever seeing you attempt, Admit that you are wrong!
Saying "If you don't like what I say don't read it" is a bit like closing the gate after the horses have bolted.
I also agree with kiethd. Nothing sensible will be said from here on in so lock the thread. If I could, I would!
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 06:16 PM
At no point in this thread have you admitted that you have done wrong except for the pavement/youth bit.
Can you really not accept that the majority of people who have deigned to answer this thread are correct by saying you are wrong and deserved it?
It seems to me that if someone disagrees with you that they are wrong.
Let's see if you can do something I don't remember ever seeing you attempt, Admit that you are wrong!
Saying "If you don't like what I say don't read it" is a bit like closing the gate after the horses have bolted.
I also agree with kiethd. Nothing sensible will be said from here on in so lock the thread. If I could, I would!
So tell me/us - how is me refusing to bow down on all matters reason to close a thread? :scratch:
Jester666
29-07-08, 06:19 PM
Because you have nothing left worth hearing and all other replies have said what needed saying.
Blue_SV650S
29-07-08, 06:24 PM
Because you have nothing left worth hearing and all other replies have said what needed saying.
So by its very nature the thread will come to a natural close ... that and only that* should determine the end ... not you (or others) throwing your toys out of the pram simply coz you didn't/can't 'win' or disagree!! :rolleyes:
*bar a mods whim as they have the power to do so
caz650s
29-07-08, 07:11 PM
If you go the 'wrong' way along a cycle lane is there not the chance of getting knocked off by a motorist/Biker pulling out onto that road looking for vehicles approaching from the correct direction ?
#2 The oncoming pedestrians (row of about 5 yoofs) saw me coming towards them on the path (it was one of those shared footpaths and cycle thingys) as tehy were in a mob, they were taking up the whole path, but they refused to move out of the way to let me nicely through - so I stood up on the peddles and cycled up to 'ramming speed' :cool: ... I narrowly avoided 'collecting' one of the little sh1ts as I torpedoed my way through ...
Hmmm, did we read of something similar and somebody getting killed as a result lately.
I hope that there were no comments posted by yourself saying that the cyclist should have given way to the girl who ended up dead.
fizzwheel
30-07-08, 06:33 AM
Hmmm, did we read of something similar and somebody getting killed as a result lately.
Yes, but I dont believe the circumstances of that accident have been correctly reported.
I believe there is some evidence to suggest that the impact occured in the road and the cyclist was riding in the road and the girl crossed in front of him and then realised her mistake and she didnt have time to step back onto the pavement before she was hit. But I do also believe from what I read that the cyclist had time to take avoiding action and chose not to and rode his bike directly at the girl aiming for a small gap between her and kerb that then she tried to step back onto.
So in both cases, nobody "gave way".......
fizzwheel
30-07-08, 06:41 AM
So in both cases, nobody "gave way".......
That looks to be the case.. it was also reported that the girl had been drinking so perhaps her judgement was impaired.
Its a difficult thing to comment on as the press havent published all the facts or the police havent released them.
He did bad - not a ideal outcome - but lets face it, her and her other under-age yoof 'stella drinkers' wandering the streets were hardly angels/saints! :rolleyes: As I said, the outcome is not good, but try and picture what really happened ... the 'attitude' these boozes up yoof s were MORE THAN LIKELY* taking ;)
If it was the situation I envisage - any one of you would have been counter-aggressive too!! :p .. its just a shame it turned out the way it did ...
*if it is an a-typical picture of our current yoof society
Well I can say that Rhiannon was most definately not a 'boozed up yoof' and certainly didn't have an 'attitude'.
I wouldn't have called her friends 'yoofs' either, though I didn't know any of those with her a the time of the incident, I had met her... she went to the same Uni as me and was on the National Diploma course. Part of my Degree course was to supervise both her and her peers for their stable management sessions, and I found her to be a very personable, responsible and level headed young woman.
Put your hand up if you never indulged in a bit of underage drinking? Hmm. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone eh.
As bikers we often complain about being tarred with the same brush as those irresponsible few. So perhaps we should be that little it more broad minded when it comes to tarring others ourselves...
... not all teenagers are 'yoofs'...
... not all cyclists are ignorant of the lawful use of the road...
... however, if someone has personal experience of people living down to their stereotype fair enough.
In the case of Rhiannon you don't, so please refrain from drawing flawed conclusions.
To close I feel that this thread has now run it's course. Who wins or loses doesn't matter, you can decide that for yourselves and keep it to yourselves. This has gone from Idle Banter to Idle-circular-debate and no longer serves a purpose.
If anyone genuinely feels they have something new and constructive to add - pm me, and if it is the case I'll open it back up again.
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