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Shellywoozle

09-08-08, 06:38 PM

why do women insist on having a strong male prescence around the house then break their spirit slowly and turn them into a shadow of their former self.
never do to another that your not expected to do to yourself!!!!

I didnt want to do it I wanted him to sh@g his little heart out as he enjoys it. But he is ahving a few "aplha dog" issues on the field and is making a few doggy enemies.

Also he like to hump all puppies and young children and it just not good.

I have taken him off the stud list and thought this would solve his little issues. Long term I dont have to worry about cancer in his bits and he will be happy playing with all doggies hopefully and won't sexually abuse the kids on the field :scratch:

All in Samsons interests at end of the day, and it'll be a doggy holiday at the vets. :smt042

HONEST ......... who am I trying to convince

Gene genie

09-08-08, 06:38 PM

a very sorry one for a few days but it should calm him down , it worked for me i just want to go sleep now lol
calm him down, i'd be bloody furious!!!!!

kwak zzr

09-08-08, 06:42 PM

awww poor samson :(

gettin2dizzy

09-08-08, 06:46 PM

Apparently they taste great with noodles. A 'pot poodle' if you like ;)

21QUEST

09-08-08, 06:47 PM

There is every possible chance, it'd do nothing or not much regards the 'humping away'.

This may sound harsh but neutering is no substitute for setting of/having firm ground rules and/or training .... ;)

Ben

Shellywoozle

09-08-08, 06:47 PM

Apparently they taste great with noodles. A 'pot poodle' if you like ;)

Have you experience of this?

awww poor samson :(

You lost you sexual partner now !! :p

tanis34

09-08-08, 06:47 PM

heel be ok it only urts for a few days

gettin2dizzy

09-08-08, 06:48 PM

Have you experience of this?

I was captain of the ball sports team. Oh yes.:smt106

shonadoll

09-08-08, 07:49 PM

How old is he and has he been used at stud? To be honest, it may not solve the issue, especially if he's been used for stud as once they have a go, they like it!

You may be better speaking to the vet and having a chemical type castration drug tried on him,usually Tardak, to see if that helps, then going ahead with the op if it does. If they have been used at stud it can very often be more of a behavioural issue than than a hormonal one, as evidenced by dogs who haven't been castrated who aren't bothered with humping.

I've got two cockers, both entire males, and not had them neutered and won't unless I have to. Saying that, it's not a big op nowadays - they usually are back to normal within a couple of days, if that! We always laugh because owners can't keep them still for even a day after normally, and the vets always say try and keep them quiet till the post op check-yeah right.

It's also worth asking a vet/behaviourist if he's a good candidate- if he is at all nervy or timid, castration can make things worse.

He's gorgeous, saw a pic of him in another thread.

Shellywoozle

09-08-08, 08:01 PM

dHe is lovely, very good looking pooch.

He has never been used for stud, I wanted to but decided against all the checks etc and thought it better to go down this route.

He has calmed down alot compared to how he used to be, he never sat still, wouldnt repsond to command, chewed all dogs necks in a nasty way and was generally a terror dog.

Now he is great, sits down when he sees a dog coming, looks at me to give him the play command then pounces ... but its just his humping of children and puppies that I could do with kerbing, parents are getting a bit upset when I am rolling around laughing at Sam humping their child in the middle of the field. And once he hooks on thats it :rolleyes:

I will speak to vet before I take him in though, see if they think I am doing right thing.

the_runt69

09-08-08, 09:16 PM

My Collie wouldnt talk to me for days after I took him down to have his off, But it did calm him down a bit and as We have a female dog as well couldnt leave him intact as She was younger than him and had to have a season before we had her done.

09-08-08, 09:27 PM

I can recommend having him Tardak'd first.

A friend of mine who has two working Black Labs was getting problems with the younger of the two. Dominance issues that were being compounded by his lack of obedience regarding his social behaviour.
Having him chemically castrated reduced his alpha oeverdrive so to speak and allowed for a bit of further training for his obedience.
Once the drug was beginning to wear off his behaviour was controllable and so there was no need for him to actually lose his jewels permanently.

I'd suggest it as an alternative coupled with some intensive obedience training, you can always have it done again if you need more time to achieve results.

I also have had two Cocker Spaniels - now the first - Kodo - well, lets just say at first we thought he was either gay or simply bi-curious. ;) Lets just say that he never showed the slightest interest.
Spider on the otherhand has shown a certain love affair with one particular cushion, but that has been banned to his nest behind the sofa just so he doesn't actually embarass himself infront of company. ;) As far as the rest of the world is concerned, he appears to have found his one true love and is content with that. :roll:

timwilky

09-08-08, 09:29 PM

Jaspers had to go when the ladies of the house objected to his excitable ways. David and myself cringed, called them heartless bitches but would they listen no.

Calm him down, no way. He is as nuts as ever, just less messy

Shellywoozle

09-08-08, 09:31 PM

LOL K, Samson is just embarassin. I found a Springer bitch local to me and out walking one day she was sat there on path with her owner who was chatting to me. Sam was paying no interest, owner bent down to stroke Sam who then latched onto his arm and humped him LOL.

He humps me when he is excited, humps any man that comes through my door and any youngster.

Took him to the vets and the vet went to stroke him and off he went again.

LOL one randy dog. But he has NEVER tried to hump a bitch LOL weird

the_runt69

09-08-08, 09:33 PM

He humps me when he is excited,

Something you not telling us Shell :p

Shellywoozle

09-08-08, 09:53 PM

Something you not telling us Shell :p

About all I get nowadays LOL

Dog humpin my arm .... no I do stop him, that'd be incest I am his Mummy

kwak zzr

09-08-08, 10:46 PM

let him have his fill he enjoys it hehe

ooger

10-08-08, 12:26 AM

Mr Vinster spent 24 hours on the sofa after his op.

He was pretty silent but feeling the drugs wear off after a while I think.

He was OK until you went and showed him any attention, after that he would just look at you and cry and wimper, woefully, until you walked away. At which point he would stop.

Little Git

He's amazing now, he loves everyone equally. Mainly me.

To compare like with like Shelly - my sister had her Springer done 9 months ago, and he's as mad now as he was before. We think he's a bit "special" though.

600+

10-08-08, 08:25 AM

It's a Springer Spaniel!! They are the type of dog that wants to run all day long and hence the excitement.

I have had Kasper neutered but he is a cross, rescue dog and indeed this was for not having Cancer issues etc.

I would double check though if I was you with the Springer Spaniel club as I believe that for this particular breed other problems might arise after castrating him. All vets (or at least most of them) will advise you to go ahead with it but I would defo speak to the owners club first!

With regards to the op - when Kasper had it he was a bit dizzy for the day but after that he was back to his old good self from the next day! He didn't get anymore quiet and he still hamps almost anything that moves........so this might not be the solution to your problems ;)

markmoto

10-08-08, 09:45 AM

shell its abit of a myth that cutting a dogs danglies off calms them down, more often than not it doesnt work, think how bad you will feel if you get that done to him and he is the same or worse he might get depressed lol. Seriously though do some research with other spaniel owners not the vet as the vet will tell you its a good idea as they are getting paid for it ;-). My skips abit nuts but i just couldnt get his nads cut off he would never forgive me, and i very much doubt it would change him at all.

Shellywoozle

10-08-08, 10:17 AM

Ahhh ya all making me feel bad for doing it.

I also thinking of cancer in years to come ..... gonna post on Springers Forum later and do some research. I will only do what's best for my baby.

markmoto

10-08-08, 10:28 AM

Cancer? shell dogs have had danglies since there have been dogs having them doesnt make a dog more prone to it, im sure you will do whats best for samson ;)

600+

10-08-08, 11:06 AM

Cancer? shell dogs have had danglies since there have been dogs having them doesnt make a dog more prone to it, im sure you will do whats best for samson ;)

Actually it does! But not on all dogs and sometimes you need to balance that risk with "other" things that can happen.

Having danglies means that there is something to get cancer - no danglies = 1 less thing to get cancer on.

Do your research and then decide :)

markmoto

10-08-08, 11:15 AM

Actually it does! But not on all dogs and sometimes you need to balance that risk with "other" things that can happen.

Having danglies means that there is something to get cancer - no danglies = 1 less thing to get cancer on.

Do your research and then decide :)

Ok so it wont get ball cancer due to it not having any but what about ever other type of cancer?? its not a reason to cut anything off a dog no more than it is a human, you wouldnt cut your nads off just so you wouldnt get it would you :D, there has to be other bonefidey reasons behind it i,e the main reason was to call him down wasnt it? if this is guaranteed then great but if its not which i would suspect it isnt then why put him through the pain and discomfort? like you say the spaniel owners club if a good starting place for advice.

rigor

10-08-08, 05:26 PM

Ahhhh well I am finally doing it ..... Samson is not going to be my friend next Friday.

I have booked him into the vets to have his nuts removed :smt042

Does it defo calm them down ??? Will I have a calm Springer Spaniel or an angry one :rolleyes:

If you are not showing him or breeding from him it is the best thing you can do for him :) We had Lupo "done" at 11 months old and he not only calmed down, he is nowhere near as dominant. Its not an overall fix for hyperactive or unruley dogs but it certainly helps as well as keeping up with current training.

Also if you ever get a 2nd dog it takes away a lot of problems there and also will stop him getting so stressed if there is a bitch in season nearby. Plus it takes away the risk of cancer when he is older.

Sammy

rigor

10-08-08, 05:28 PM

appollo1

10-08-08, 06:03 PM

kwak zzr

10-08-08, 06:45 PM

Leave him alone!!!!

markmoto

10-08-08, 06:56 PM

Save samsons Nuts, save samsons nuts :pale:

Jinxy43

10-08-08, 07:30 PM

that sounds a good charity to start mototech :mrgreen:

Shellywoozle

10-08-08, 08:33 PM

If you are not showing him or breeding from him it is the best thing you can do for him :) We had Lupo "done" at 11 months old and he not only calmed down, he is nowhere near as dominant. Its not an overall fix for hyperactive or unruley dogs but it certainly helps as well as keeping up with current training.

Also if you ever get a 2nd dog it takes away a lot of problems there and also will stop him getting so stressed if there is a bitch in season nearby. Plus it takes away the risk of cancer when he is older.

Sammy

Ah guys you are making me feel bad.

Samson has an Alpha dog issue, he went through a stage of fighting with all male dogs, now he only does it with larger dogs or dogs his size. We have 6 5 month old springer pups and their mum on the field local to me, at the moment he is humping them but when those pups get into "or is alpha dog?" stage Sam will most probably fight with them. He has a Leonberger mate 2 times the size of him and I can't let him near as he is really aggresive with him.

I am looking into it and I will speak to the vet about Tardak (didnt know about this thanks guys) and about the pros and cons.

I didnt want to have him done, hence he is almost 2 yrs and still has his pride but I want to be able to let him roam around without him fighting and growling at all male dogs.

There are alot of Rotties and German Shepherds he has a go at and I fear one day he will have a go at the wrong dog. I already take out a 60ft lead which he is kept on when I am unsure about the dogs about, I pull him in near when I am unsure yet he can still run about.

Ahhh Sam may still have his 2 veg yet :smt040

sarah

10-08-08, 08:33 PM

chop 'em off

gettin2dizzy

11-08-08, 06:29 AM

chop 'em off
Thank god women will never land themselves in power...:rolleyes:

shonadoll

11-08-08, 06:51 AM

http://www.apbc.org.uk/article4.htm

Also why do people feel that they don't want to neuter their dogs but its perfectly ok to send their bitch in for spaying when its a much more risky procedure??

Sammy

Pyometra is a very real threat to bitches- basically a pus filled infected uterus. It's also hellishly hard to diagnose sometimes, and can lead to death, sometimes very quickly.

11-08-08, 07:04 AM

Kodo was a 'complete' dog his entire life, but cancer got him iat 13 years :(. Only it was of the Spleen, which many Spaniel breeds run a higher risk of than testicular.

rigor

11-08-08, 07:25 AM

Ah guys you are making me feel bad.

Don't feel bad trust me he wont miss them and he will lead a much happier life.

Samson has an Alpha dog issue
This is why we had Lupo done, especially the breed he is where Dog against Dog agression is high between the same sex of dogs. He also tried to be dominant with us and used to climb between me and James when we sat on the sofa and stand over James.

I am looking into it and I will speak to the vet about Tardak (didnt know about this thanks guys) and about the pros and cons.
Please be very careful if you go down this route as it throws up its own problems. Please please do as much research as you can.

I didnt want to have him done, hence he is almost 2 yrs and still has his pride but I want to be able to let him roam around without him fighting and growling at all male dogs.
I think you have answered your own question really and it really is for the best, the last thing you want is for a dog to come into the field he is playing in and for Samson to get hurt or for him to hurt another dog. At 2 he will pretty much be mature and to be honest without very heavy training it will be hard to make him behave better, dogs are dogs! Imagine him meeting Lupo on a walk and Samson starting on him :shock::shock: Not that Lupo would do much since he has been done he is more chilled out, but i don't think he would back down if he was attacked.

Sammy

rigor

11-08-08, 07:31 AM

Pyometra is a very real threat to bitches- basically a pus filled infected uterus. It's also hellishly hard to diagnose sometimes, and can lead to death, sometimes very quickly.

There are 2 types, open and closed. The closed is far worse purely for the fact that you don't know anything is wrong as there is no discharge. The dog can go down hill rapidly after only 24 hours :( it is one of the main worries for not spaying a bitch, other than pregnancy unwanted litters etc, plus phantom pregnancies which are a nightmare!!

Sammy

jimmy__riddle

11-08-08, 10:06 AM

getting them 'done' is far from a miracle cure, in most cases it doesnt affect them (as others on here have said). 2 yrs is still a very playful time for a dog, its like late teens, look at how many teenagers fight!

Paws

11-08-08, 12:13 PM

Hey hun, my parents jack russell hasnt had the snip-hes now a old man (12-13 years old) and weve never had any probs with him, id deffo talk to the vet and see what they think/suggest

Shellywoozle

15-08-08, 07:30 AM

OK guys Sam is going to have them off this morning. I have had advice from the Springer experts and although it may or may not calm him down it will reduce the risk of postate cancer later in life.

His nuts are there and not being used and I don't intend now to breed from him, he will be a bit or discomfort for a day or two but he will get spoilt rotten and he can only benefit from this op, and if he doesnt benefit we've lost nothing.

He just been for his last walk with his 2 veg and I have told him to lick them while he can LOL.

I will let ya know how he is later xx

Shellywoozle

20-08-08, 09:18 PM

OK Samson update !

Please don't say i told you so as I feel awful for my baby and very very guilty, and actually a little upset, so no micky taking on this one.

Samson had his 5 day check up. His scrotum is twice the size it was before he had the procedure, it is hard and red :( vets says this isn't that good but due to Sam being a bouncy lively dog it will take longer to heal. I have to try my best to keep him from climbing the walls.

5 days without walkies, can you imagine what a Springer would be like. He is managing to lick them even with his big collar on. So now, vets suggestion, he is weraing shorts LOL to hinder him licking.

All give Sam healing vibes as he is not a happy puppy. Anti biotics are now his best friend :(

I wish I had never done this to my baby.

20-08-08, 09:25 PM

Aww bless - I know what it's like when you feel you are doing the best thing for your dog and circumstances conspire against you to cause more grief...

... I had a rescue GSD and being a 'responsible owner' I had him down the vets for his innoculations...

... only it turns out he had kidneys 1/3 the size of normal and he couldn't process the drugs through his system. Three days later ans we had to put him down. :(

I hope everything will be fine for you both - just try not to snigger too much at him in his nappy - just take many photos so you can embarass him when he's better/older/wiser. ;)

markmoto

20-08-08, 10:31 PM

:rolleyes::-#

tanis34

21-08-08, 05:39 AM

bless him i know exactly how he feels gws sammy

cuffy

21-08-08, 05:45 AM

His scrotum is twice the size it was before he had the procedure, it is hard and red .
http://retrothing.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/hopper.jpg

Shellywoozle

21-08-08, 02:40 PM

LOL @ cuffy ... not quiet like that but trust you !! ha ha. This is what they look like ! :(

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2730/photo0090qr0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I hope I dont get visitors, Samson is wearing his collar but he is still managing to lick his wounds so the vet said to make him wear some shorts or something to stop it being so easy ..... people will think I have gone mad.

http://i38.tinypic.com/1253jw7.jpg

Just to prove he was happy once lol, this is my baby normally

http://i33.tinypic.com/dr5myd.jpg

shonadoll

21-08-08, 03:10 PM

BernardBikerchick

21-08-08, 03:44 PM

kwak zzr

21-08-08, 04:00 PM

that K9 could not be MORE horny!

Shellywoozle

21-08-08, 04:59 PM

Awww, bless him. That does look swollen - the shorts are a good idea. Just keep an eye on it, if it becomes worse despite the antibiotics, he may be having a reaction to the stitches.

He's just gorgeous.

The vet seems to think he has had a bleed and the fluid has nowhere to go, and because he is so lively he isn't helping matters.

I have him house bound with little walks and he goes the loo on his 60ft lead, as he bounds around the garden otherwise. Would the vet not have picked up on the stitch thing? I hope they know what they doing :(

that K9 could not be MORE horny!

Not at the mo Daz, he a sore baby and hasnt been near man nor beast in a horny way since Friday :(

kwak zzr

21-08-08, 09:46 PM

sam will be find hun he's just errr alittle excited all the time :)

Shellywoozle

26-08-08, 05:51 PM

Woo hoo Samson been given the A OK tonight ... his scrotum is almost back to normal and I have to keep him to ickle walks til the weekend !!!

He had great fun in the vets waiting room, 3 dogs and a cat, he woofed his heart out LOL :)

Can't wait for the weekend, off to the local forest to find some masooove woodland and lots of water for him to play in :)

appollo1

26-08-08, 06:15 PM

Yeah Samsons getting better.

Lots of love and cuddles from mummy will help as well.

Nice shorts!!!!!!!

26-08-08, 07:04 PM

Glad to hear he's doing OK.

tanis34

26-08-08, 07:25 PM

good to hear hes well on the road to recovery

Shellywoozle

26-08-08, 08:54 PM

A few words from Samson to all you guys who wished him well ...................

"woof woof woof"

jimmy__riddle

26-08-08, 09:15 PM

great to hear hes doing well, bet he cant wait for the first big walk!

kwak zzr

26-08-08, 09:17 PM

A few words from Samson to all you guys who wished him well ...................

"woof woof woof"

see? shes bonkers :)

Shellywoozle

26-08-08, 09:17 PM

great to hear hes doing well, bet he cant wait for the first big walk!

Awww he will love his big walk, meant to be really nice the w/e, he will be rolling in horse poo and getting all wet :) ..... oh how mummy cant wait LOL

27-08-08, 07:01 AM

see? shes bonkers :)

Don't they say dogs take after their owners...

... or is it the other way round? ;)

Shellywoozle

27-08-08, 03:36 PM

Don't they say dogs take after their owners...

... or is it the other way round? ;)

LOL, thanks Kwak but if I am bonkers it may be down the company I keep.

If I am like Sam then I am happy, as he is a big loving softie with a heart of gold, and a wet ........................ nose :)

LOL :cool: and he cute ..... i dont follow him on that bit lol :smt012