Restricting an SV

[dave hendy]

My wife is taking her test on her 125 so will be restricted for 2 years and is hoping to get an unfaired SV650 as it is light, she reach the floor and it’s a proper bike!

So I am after some information regarding restricting an SV and hope you can answer some of my questions! As I am not sure yet whether she will get an early or late model I don’t know if it will have fuel injection or carb’s.

Am I right in thinking the injected model is restricted by fitting a different ECU or do they just fit a different chip inside it? If it’s a different ECU is it a straight forward swap over or does it have to go on the Suzuki diagnostic equipment to be programmed? Is the ECU expensive, is it exchange or can you get them 2nd hand? Does it use the same ECU for all years or does it vary on years?

If it’s an early bike with a carburettor how is this restricted? How much are the kits and does it cost much to have them fitted?

Which ever bike it is what happens about getting the relevant certificate for the insurance especially if it’s not done by a dealer?

How much does it effect the bike being restricted and do early or late bikes work better restricted?

Many thanks for your time

Dave

[BBadger]

I dont know what you do with the carb version ( anything before 03 ) so more people will be along to help.

but the injection is very easy, find an ECU thats 33 Bhp, you might want to try ebay as its alot cheaper than suzuki brand new.

Then take off the seat, you'll see the little black box straight away and its plug and swap. Then your done.


the only "problem" not to much hassle was that my insurence company wanted proof which invovles taking it to a suzuki shop and getting it dynoed to prove its 33BHP
but thats only around£40 if you fit it yourself, and then yes.... all stamped and aproved.

power is effected a little but its a v twin, lots of grunt
it just scrubs the top speed to around 90 -100 if you get on the tank and throttel response is abit slower.

but it will feel like a rocket compaired to any 125.
good luck !

[dave hendy]

I dont know what you do with the carb version ( anything before 03 ) so more people will be along to help.

but the injection is very easy, find an ECU thats 33 Bhp, you might want to try ebay as its alot cheaper than suzuki brand new.

Then take off the seat, you'll see the little black box straight away and its plug and swap. Then your done.


the only "problem" not to much hassle was that my insurence company wanted proof which invovles taking it to a suzuki shop and getting it dynoed to prove its 33BHP
but thats only around£40 if you fit it yourself, and then yes.... all stamped and aproved.

power is effected a little but its a v twin, lots of grunt
it just scrubs the top speed to around 90 -100 if you get on the tank and throttel response is abit slower.

but it will feel like a rocket compaired to any 125.
good luck !

Thanks for that, is the dyno graph good enough for the insurance I thought you need a certificate?

[Dangerous Dave]

Injected - Simple swap of the ECU (the whole unit) and usually doen for free if buying the bike from a Suzuki dealer, although a lot of people on here seemed to of paid. :-$

Carbed - You get Suzuki to do it with there kit (diaphragm) or the F1 international option which is basically two washers under the carbs.

[Dangerous Dave]

I thought you need a certificate?
To be 100% legal yes you need the certificate too.

[BBadger]

no problem.

when i bought mine it came with a certificate..but nothing writen or stamped on it just the coresponding numbers for the box.

So when i got the dyno you have a graph to hang on the fridge and be proud of, then the certificate which you keep and another letter thats all aproved and stamped to say its what it is.

Talk to who ever your going to insure with first though, as they all want different things from it.

[joshmac]

Thanks for that, is the dyno graph good enough for the insurance I thought you need a certificate?
Nothing in the law says you need a certificate, only that it has to be <33bhp. The cerrtificate may be useful for getting a copper off your back.
Just restrict it yourself if you can
The carb version of the SV (99-02) can be restricted by a washer in each of the carb inlets. That's the way I did it
As BBadger said, the SV will still have a lot of torque in restricted form and will feel quick compared to a 125 :p

My insurance company didn't even ask if it was restricted, let alone ask for a certificate

Hope that helps

[Dangerous Dave]

Nothing in the law says you need a certificate
Get involved in an incident and somebody (third party/insurance) questions why on a restricted licence you are riding a big bike, then you will need to prove it is restricted. A dyno print out is not excepted, however a certificate does state it was fitted.

[BBadger]

Maybe its just my insurence, as im 17.
But it is useful if anything happens so you may want it before you get on the road.

[timwilky]

As said before, there is nothing in law to require a certificate. Companies like FI hype their certificates and of course dealers are not going to tell you you do not need a certificate when they make lots of money flogging their products.

[Dangerous Dave]

But it is useful if anything happens
+ 1, you don't want to be in hospital recovering and find out your insurance is invalid because you were riding a bike that was not within you licence specification!

Driving with out a licence, no insurance... it happens.

[BBadger]

The point is it may never happen ... but youd rather have it than not, and you cant dyno half a bike.

its not to expensive so if u ebay a 33hp ecu and its not to dear, then id recomend the dyno, but its upto you in the end.

[Dave20046]

I need to restrict my curvy 650x, If I use a washer kit will I be better off for applying for a certificate?

[Dangerous Dave]

Suzuki offer a kit, speak to a dealer and see what deal they will offer you (comes with a proper certificate too).

[BBadger]

poblably..... i just leave anything that i cant fix if it goes wrong which is only engine stuff, then its their problem not mine =] .

[Dave20046]

Suzuki offer a kit, speak to a dealer and see what deal they will offer you (comes with a proper certificate too).
Can local bike shops not do it?
Nearest dealer is miles from me - any idea on cost?

[BBadger]

min will be £40 but if your buying the kit then more

get on the phone and ask about its the best way.

[Dave20046]

min will be £40 but if your buying the kit then more

get on the phone and ask about its the best way.
True

I don't understand why a receipt from for the kit and a receipt for fitting from a shop isn't enough for them. Ho hum...

[BBadger]

it might be ...but my age just doesnt help so if your older it get easier.
and all insurenece people are evil and think ud take out the restrictors.
they just want to cover themselves but take it abit far me thinks.

[Dave20046]

it might be ...but my age just doesnt help so if your older it get easier.
and all insurenece people are evil and think ud take out the restrictors.
they just want to cover themselves but take it abit far me thinks.
I'm 18 so :(

[BBadger]

its no good being young =[

at least uve only got a year till full power !

[dave hendy]

My wife will want to be legal and above board but we don't want to get fleeced by a dealer. I could probably do the work and get it dyno'd as long as this is OK or wait to find a restricted bike:confused:

[crewmanchris]

What year can one use the ecu? I have one for sale and i've found a buyer on a 2004 bike. I just wondered if this will work for her bike before i sell. I also have the certificate. Is this transferable?

[Stu]

It's actually the same on either a curvy or pointy. Just remove the HT lead from either the front or the rear cylinder. Either will work. I find the front is easier to acess, but it the engine runs a little better if you remove the rear.

HTH




;)

[joshmac]

it might be ...but my age just doesnt help so if your older it get easier.
and all insurenece people are evil and think ud take out the restrictors.
they just want to cover themselves but take it abit far me thinks.
I'm 17 as well mate.
Who are you insured with? I'm with MCE and they didn't even ask if it was restricted, and I think Yorkie_Chris is with Carol Nash who also didn't ask.
Unless you're getting an amazing deal, I would find another insurer. Might just be my opinion, but if the insurance company is making this much fuss over a restriction certificate, then they'l probably do just about everything possible to wriggle out of paying for a claim you make.

and you cant dyno half a bike...
But you can look to see if the restriction is in place ;)

[joshmac]

What year can one use the ecu? I have one for sale and i've found a buyer on a 2004 bike. I just wondered if this will work for her bike before i sell.
ECU is 03> bikes, so it's probably OK, but I'd check the part numbers first though.
If you're selling your bike, I'd take the restricted ECU out anyway and then sell it

I also have the certificate. Is this transferable?
Wouldn't have thought so... I'm sure they'd rather you forked out another arm and leg to get another one :)

[joshmac]

It's actually the same on either a curvy or pointy. Just remove the HT lead from either the front or the rear cylinder. Either will work. I find the front is easier to acess, but it the engine runs a little better if you remove the rear.

HTH




;)
:lol:

[Dave20046]

its no good being young =[

at least uve only got a year till full power !
No, 2 Years!:(
I'm taking my test in september so (if I pass) 2 years from then.

[BBadger]

No, 2 Years!:(
I'm taking my test in september so (if I pass) 2 years from then.

wheyy
i think we should start a 33hp meet, theres enough of us now !

its still enough for what i want so i cant complain, and maybe i might "fall and drop" the full ECU in place for the odd day.

[BBadger]

I'm 17 as well mate.
Who are you insured with? I'm with MCE and they didn't even ask if it was restricted, and I think Yorkie_Chris is with Carol Nash who also didn't ask.
Unless you're getting an amazing deal, I would find another insurer. Might just be my opinion, but if the insurance company is making this much fuss over a restriction certificate, then they'l probably do just about everything possible to wriggle out of paying for a claim you make.


But you can look to see if the restriction is in place ;)

i can only afford 3rd party F&T, and CIA are giving me road side cover, break down pick up, pillion cover......everything

£750 odd with £250 excess, it was better than carol nash so im pleased.
any price on yours.. or pm if you dont want it on here.

true true, but they have escape routes even if youve given them everything, but i feel having all the info makes less hassle if anything happens.

[joshmac]

wheyy
i think we should start a 33hp meet, theres enough of us now !

Count me in :cool:

[joshmac]

i can only afford 3rd party F&T, and CIA are giving me road side cover, break down pick up, pillion cover......everything

£750 odd with £250 excess, it was better than carol nash so im pleased.
any price on yours.. or pm if you dont want it on here.

true true, but they have escape routes even if youve given them everything, but i feel having all the info makes less hassle if anything happens.
I'm only Third Party. I did think about getting TPF&T, but couldn't justify the extra cost (I'll regret that if it gets stolen though), as the bike's still not covered for damage and I can't imagine it'll get stolen from where I live.
No point in Fully comp for me IMO, as the premium and excess would've been more than the cost of me replacing my bike.

I paid £400ish with MCE (1 year no claims from 50cc bike), and that includes Breakdown Recovery (which I had to use after I left my parking lights on for a day by mistake when I put the steering lock on :rolleyes:), Personal Accident cover, and something else which I can't remember
Chose not to include pillion cover as I'm not going to take pillions for the first year. I think that may have reduced it very slightly.

[woodz61]

I'd be up for a 33bhp meet.

My insurance was good. 1 yrs N/C, Fully Comp, pillion cover, breakdown etc etc = £500

[joshmac]

I'd be up for a 33bhp meet.

My insurance was good. 1 yrs N/C, Fully Comp, pillion cover, breakdown etc etc = £500
Wow that is good, who is that with and what's the excess?
How old are you?

[Dave20046]

I've been quoted about 370 excluding breakdown and legal expenses TPFT, with 2 years NCB on a 50 n a 125.
I'm yet to drop the bombshell about being knocked off (non fault) last year...theoretically it shouldn't affect the quote - but I know it will :mad:. Also got to ask about what they require restriction wise and get legal expenses (atleast) included.
I'd be up for a 33bhp meet too ;)

[BBadger]

yer that sounds rediculously good. for £500

and dave ...who are you with ?? that sounds pretty good.

i have a feeling its where i live, as that can raise the price alot....dam rich people with expensive things and theiving chavs!

seems like good feedback think we should get a meet going some time this summer.

[joshmac]

yer that sounds rediculously good. for £500

and dave ...who are you with ?? that sounds pretty good.
Yeah not bad at all!

i have a feeling its where i live, as that can raise the price alot....dam rich people with expensive things and theiving chavs!
Welcome to Woking! ;)

seems like good feedback think we should get a meet going some time this summer.
:smt045
.

[woodz61]

I've been quoted about 370 excluding breakdown and legal expenses TPFT, with 2 years NCB on a 50 n a 125.
I'm yet to drop the bombshell about being knocked off (non fault) last year...theoretically it shouldn't affect the quote - but I know it will :mad:. Also got to ask about what they require restriction wise and get legal expenses (atleast) included.
I'd be up for a 33bhp meet too ;)

Were insurance companies involved? If not don't need to tell them.

[woodz61]

20, 1st yrs N/C was on a VL125.
Bike valued an £2500 - I declared all mods - suspension etc
excess 650.

With Bennetts. I also didn't have to pay a deposit.

I basically bargined with the sales person, saying that he could do me a better deal and then started weaving in the extras. Then the final thing was trying not to pay the £90 deposit. I kept nagging him and said after a while "go ask your manager I'm sure he'll do it."

He did it!

Yay!

Pressure sales works both ways!

[Dave20046]

Were insurance companies involved? If not don't need to tell them.
Yeah they were, I've just received the cheque for damage to the bike but I'm waiting on clothing, bike loss, personal injury and all that..:(

[BBadger]

at least your getting money, they scrapped my old bike, all my clothes were torn, and in a cast for 6 weeks, nothing .....not a penny and it happened over to months ago.

i dont trust insurence any more!

[woodz61]

Yeah they were, I've just received the cheque for damage to the bike but I'm waiting on clothing, bike loss, personal injury and all that..:(

Bugger. Get a quote without telling them.:-dd

Then suddenly remember the incident after the quote but before you buy. See if it makes a difference.

[AndyL]

I got quoted £99 all inclusive, 0 years NCB! Beat that! lol :D

[joshmac]

I got quoted £99 all inclusive, 0 years NCB! Beat that! lol :D
But you're not 17/18 :rolleyes: :lol:
What's the first digit?

Oh and how many years no claims do you have on your car?

[Dave20046]

Bugger. Get a quote without telling them.:-dd

Then suddenly remember the incident after the quote but before you buy. See if it makes a difference.
That's the plan! :D

[Dave20046]

at least your getting money, they scrapped my old bike, all my clothes were torn, and in a cast for 6 weeks, nothing .....not a penny and it happened over to months ago.

i dont trust insurence any more!
Me neither they have a 3 month deadline to settle claims...well it took 6 months to get a 'without prejudice' cheque form them for the bike only. P.I will take years. I had a witness aswell :confused:

[AndyL]

But you're not 17/18 :rolleyes: :lol:
What's the first digit?

Oh and how many years no claims do you have on your car?

I have 0 NCB in a car and I am 22 years old. Can you work out how i did it? lol. :rolleyes:

[woodz61]

I have 0 NCB in a car and I am 22 years old. Can you work out how i did it? lol. :rolleyes:

You told them it was an Apollo Mountain Bike? (But with full suspension and go faster bell!)

[AndyL]

I got quoted £99 all inclusive, 0 years NCB! Beat that! lol :D

Just incase somebody out there does not no about this deal I will let everyone know, and hopefully it will save someone some money.

Basically, if you are buying a new suzuki bike and have passed your test within the last year and also did your training with a suzuki approved motorcycle training school, then suzuki's own insurance will give you all inclusive cover for £99 (you may have to be 21 or over, I cant remember?)

I managed to bargain a suzuki dealership down to giving me a new SV650sport for £3975, so, a new SV650 + all inclusive cover for £4075 :D:D:D

[LewSpeight]

Ive just rung up my local suzuki dealer, the rrp on a ECU 33bhp is about £450
I mean, REALLY!?
Cant find one on forums, nor the fleabay...

:smt076