rim change...shop or do it myself?

[F16Falcon]

is rim change complex? any special tools neded? what are steps.

[jambo]

Additional information would give people a better chance of helping you out:

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=71305

[zunkus]

Go to a shop. It's a b*tch to separate the rime from the tire.

[F16Falcon]

Well there really is'nt much more to it. I literally just want to change the rim. Not the tire, but the rim. My rim is bent and I just got the new one. Oh, I'm sorry it's the FRONT rim. I bet that helps. :)

Anyway, I got this initial delusion that I could just take of the , wheel, calipers and rotors. Then have a tire shop do the tire swap. Then I would reinstall the rotors and caliper and go hit the twisties. Then I realized this is NOT a tire change! I have to remove everything that is attatched to the rim. So there are bearings and who knows what else that needs to be considered. Maybe I can strip down the wheel as much as I feel comfortable and then take it to shop for anything I left and most importantly the tire swap.

Summary:

Remove caliper
Remove Rotor
Remove something else?
And another thing maybe?
Take just rim/tire to shop for tire swap
Return with tire on new rim and reinstall all the removed parts

What am I missing and is it more difficult than the other steps?

Additional information would give people a better chance of helping you out:

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=71305

[SoulKiss]

As K seems to be in hiding.....

You said RIM !!!

TEEHEE

[jambo]

Well there really is'nt much more to it. I literally just want to change the rim. Not the tire, but the rim. My rim is bent and I just got the new one. Oh, I'm sorry it's the FRONT rim. I bet that helps. :)

Anyway, I got this initial delusion that I could just take of the , wheel, calipers and rotors. Then have a tire shop do the tire swap. Then I would reinstall the rotors and caliper and go hit the twisties. Then I realized this is NOT a tire change! I have to remove everything that is attatched to the rim. So there are bearings and who knows what else that needs to be considered. Maybe I can strip down the wheel as much as I feel comfortable and then take it to shop for anything I left and most importantly the tire swap.

Summary:

Remove caliper
Remove Rotor
Remove something else?
And another thing maybe?
Take just rim/tire to shop for tire swap
Return with tire on new rim and reinstall all the removed parts

What am I missing and is it more difficult than the other steps?

I'm guessing you're in the US, We have Wheels and Brake discs rather than rims & rotors:D. I was just checking that this is actually what you wanted to do, cheers for the extra information.

1) Have you got a new front wheel? If so it should already have bearings in it if it's 2nd hand, if it's new you may need to buy new bearings to go in. Knocking the old bearings out of your current wheel is likely to damage them, it's unlikely they'd be ok to put in your new wheel.
2) Steps I'd follow are:
a) Remove calipers
b) Support front of bike off the floor
c) Remove front wheel axle and wheel (being careful of speedo drive)
d) Remove discs from current wheel (be careful not to put weight on them as they bend easily) Note which is left & right otherwise your pads will have to bed in again to some extent
e) Take old and new wheel to tyre shop, get them to move the tyre across.
f) Put discs on new wheel (noting which was left and right and replacing the same side)
g) re-install wheel
h) re-install calipers

There are several companies in the UK that will straighten a bent rim so you can reuse the old wheel, worth seeing if there's anyone local to you that could do that.


Jambo

[K]

As K seems to be in hiding.....

You said RIM !!!

TEEHEE

Nah - just busy this morning...

... aaaaanyway - you SHOUTED 'rim'...

... tee hee hee. ;)

[F16Falcon]

Definition of what I mean:

Rim=Thing that the tire is mounted to. Thing made out of aluminum and that get's bent from rough roads. Thing that tire slides around on if not properly inflated. If you completely took apart your wheel, the metal thing you'd be left with that has spokes is the rim.

Wheel=Combined product of a tire and rim and on a bike, brake discs or rotors. All three make up the wheel.

Rotor=Brake discs that the pads grab for braking

Looks like my only issue will be the bearings. Sounds like I need new ones and the difficulty of removing them is questionable. Maybe shop does bearing/tire swap.
What I have=2 rims. 1 bent and one new. Need to install new rim.
I'm guessing you're in the US, We have Wheels and Brake discs rather than rims & rotors:D.

1) Have you got a new front wheel? If so it should already have bearings in it if it's 2nd hand, if it's new you may need to buy new bearings to go in. Knocking the old bearings out of your current wheel is likely to damage them, it's unlikely they'd be ok to put in your new wheel.



I don't trust repaired tires or rims. Wheel are the most critical components and I only have 2 of them. Rather bite the bullet and buy new wheel than new legs.

[Dangerous Dave]

Wheel
http://www.oncycles.com/products/dymag/images/BDD00650a.jpg


Rim - It is the section the tyre connects to, also above where the Dymag sticker is.
http://www.aeolus-online.com/catalog/pics/Auto_Motorcycle_Wheel_Rim_Production_Line.jpg

Now, assuming you have an SV650 and you do not trust repaired rims you will need to buy a new wheel (this does not include a tyre, see above examples). I would get a new wheel and bearings, everything else can be changed over. Just the Brake disc (rotors), brake disc bolts, and tyre is all that needs to be transfered. The calipers are part of the fork and the spacers and speedo are part of the front wheel spindle/axle.


If you completely took apart your wheel, the metal thing you'd be left with that has spokes is the rim.
Try an English dictionary.

[F16Falcon]

You think any shops keep the bearings on hand or would I have to order? The answer I would guess depends on how standard the part is. If it fits all 600cc class Suzukis or even better all bikes with certain wheel types, then I'd be ok. Hope this is the case because this is a weekend job. Don't do it this weekend, then thats another week.


Now, assuming you have an SV650 and you do not trust repaired rims you will need to buy a new wheel (this does not include a tyre, see above examples). I would get a new wheel and bearings, everything else can be changed over.

[Dangerous Dave]

Most would have them in stock, its not the matter of them fitting the wheel it is the matter of the spindle/axle fitting through the bearing.

Go to your nearest Suzuki dealer, they would have a stronger chance of having them in stock, if not try online.

[skumlerud]

Rim=Thing that the tire is mounted to. Thing made out of aluminum and that get's bent from rough roads. Thing that tire slides around on if not properly inflated. If you completely took apart your wheel, the metal thing you'd be left with that has spokes is the rim.

So what would you call this then? ;-)

http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/71/70888/cwc_english_chrome_rim.jpg


The thing that you call "rim" above is a wheel. A wheel consists of the rim, the spokes and the hub.

[Dangerous Dave]

http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/71/70888/cwc_english_chrome_rim.jpg

Now that is a rim!

[F16Falcon]

Some kind of magical rings. Perhaps from some kind of time machine? I'm not an engineer, but thats my guess. :smt028

So what would you call this then? ;-)

http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/71/70888/cwc_english_chrome_rim.jpg


The thing that you call "rim" above is a wheel. A wheel consists of the rim, the spokes and the hub.

[Lozzo]

As K seems to be in hiding.....

You said RIM !!!

TEEHEE

That girl is utter filth...I like her.

[Lozzo]

Try an English dictionary.

Judging by the spelling of the word 'tire' I would hazard a guess at the original poster being one of our colonial cousins from the USA, where the term 'rim' is not just an activity practised by the homosexual community, but also refers to what we would call a 'wheel'. This is a slang term, in much the same way that we in God's own country refer to a 'motorcycle safety helmet' as a 'skid lid'.

[F16Falcon]

This is great but does not mention bearings. I will have to install new bearing in the new wheel. Is that tricky at all. grease em and stick em on.


a) Remove calipers
b) Support front of bike off the floor
c) Remove front wheel axle and wheel (being careful of speedo drive)
d) Remove discs from current wheel (be careful not to put weight on them as they bend easily) Note which is left & right otherwise your pads will have to bed in again to some extent
e) Take old and new wheel to tyre shop, get them to move the tyre across.
f) Put discs on new wheel (noting which was left and right and replacing the same side)
g) re-install wheel
h) re-install calipers

[jambo]

You will need the spacer out of the old wheel. This goes between the 2 bearings. The new bearings will need to be tapped into the wheel using a hammer and a suitable surface so you are not hitting the new bearing itself with a hammer, many people use the old bearing as a surface to hit.

When tapping in bearings make sure they go in square as they're tougher than the wheel!

I've not done this on an SV650 front wheel, but some wheels have lips on both sides to stop the bearings being hit in too far, and some have only on one side. If this is the case tap in the one with a lip first, then install the spacer from the other side. Now tap the 2nd bearing in, and if there's no lip, you'll need to tap it in square, a little at a time from each edge, until the inner bearing surface is *just* touching the spacer, but is not stuck onto it with any force. With your finger you should be able to turn the bearing independently of the spacer, but they should be pressed together so the surfaces meet. If you go too far the bearing will be stressed and wear out faster, too little and the hub won't be quite the right width.

If in doubt, it may be worth getting a workshop to do this as it won't take them long.

Hope some of the above helps.

Jambo

[SoulKiss]

That girl is utter filth...I like her.

Ahh but have you met her ????

[Stu]

Oh, I'm sorry it's the FRONT rim. I bet that helps. :)

At least we know there's a speed sensor involved now ;)
And if you had graced us with whether you had a curvy or a pointy, if indeed it is an SV650, we could tell you the difference about the spacers.

[northwind]

Some of this help, is possibly not the most helpful :D

I think the SV wheel is sided, ie you have to put one bearing in first, but I've never had to do one so I'm not sure. Most suzuki wheels are mind. Downloading the service manual would be a very good idea.

[jambo]

Some of this help, is possibly not the most helpful :D

I think the SV wheel is sided, ie you have to put one bearing in first, but I've never had to do one so I'm not sure. Most suzuki wheels are mind. Downloading the service manual would be a very good idea.

Why oh why did I type all of that up, probably skipping a step or 2 instead of just linking to:
http://www.sv650.org/sv_manuals.htm

:rolleyes:

[F16Falcon]

650s 2001 :D

At least we know there's a speed sensor involved now ;)
And if you had graced us with whether you had a curvy or a pointy, if indeed it is an SV650, we could tell you the difference about the spacers.

[yorkie_chris]

Do not reuse old bearings. Knocking them out will mean they'll go in the wheel fine, but will last about 10 minutes.