View Full Version : Broken mount point, what to do
My new engine arrived this morning thanks to the lovely people at Fedex, however it seems they've managed to break the lower engine mount point on the bottom left side of the engine .
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So... i can only assume that best course of action would be take the crank casing off my old engine and attach it to the new one ?
unless there's an easier way of doing this ?
yorkie_chris
25-08-08, 10:33 AM
You can't really change the crank casing, that is the engine, you'd have to swap all the crank bearings over and everything, that risks getting some very odd wear.
Can you post a pic of the damage?
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yorkie_chris
25-08-08, 10:37 AM
Hmmm. I would say you've got 4 options
get fedex to buy you a new one
leave the damage as it is, it'll #probably# be fine
fill it with weld and rebore the mounting
chemical metal or similar (not really that strong)
yorkie_chris
25-08-08, 10:38 AM
Orrr you could cut the mounting down flush and make a little spacer. Not really critical dimensions either as that monuting point is on an adjustable spacer and lockring.
It'll prob be fine, but then again ...i'll be claiming off fedex any way, i wonder would it really matter if it want bolted on, or perhaps i could construct some form of a brace system ... or something to slip over it that was threadded on the inside, it woudlnt be 100% but perhaps it would be better then nothing.... im just so f*ked off tho ..
dirtydog
25-08-08, 10:45 AM
On the brightside at least your engine didn't get lost by the courier for a week or so!
Dangerous Dave
25-08-08, 10:56 AM
If the engine was shipped with insurance then first make a claim with Fedex.
On the brightside at least your engine didn't get lost by the courier for a week or so!
lol cheaky fecker DD
Well folks thanks to chris im a bit more optomstic, that mount point is hollow all the way through so worst case would be to get some sort of extra long bolt and slot it back down in to it untill it's close to the other side, hopefully this will reinforce it a little...
any way the garage cant take it till friday so there nout all i can do for the mo bar look at it, and plan i guess ...
I can also sit on the bike and make engine noises ... but thats getting a little old at this stage
dirtydog
25-08-08, 11:01 AM
I can also sit on the bike and make engine noises ... but thats getting a little old at this stage
I'm sure someone can do you a cd of them revving their SV so you don't have to make the noises yourself
If the engine was shipped with insurance then first make a claim with Fedex.
Work in progress dave.... i just realised that the bottom bolts are actually incredibly long as is, and there's what four mount points all over the engine, so even if we reinstall it like this it could be ok
I'm sure someone can do you a cd of them revving their SV so you don't have to make the noises yourself
That's a lovely idea, you have my address right :D
Biker Biggles
25-08-08, 11:29 AM
How did that happen?Was the missing bit still present in the package when it arrived?Was it properly packaged?
It looks like the engine has been dropped on that mount so Id check for any other damage too.
Dangerous Dave
25-08-08, 11:29 AM
But those four bolts add the structural strength to the chassis when the engine is mounted.
yorkie_chris
25-08-08, 11:36 AM
I would not use it like it is.
Making a spacer would be 10 minutes on the lathe, probably a tenner to a local engineer. And then 5 minutes with the grinder to make it fit.
How did that happen?Was the missing bit still present in the package when it arrived?Was it properly packaged?
It looks like the engine has been dropped on that mount so Id check for any other damage too.
Not sure how it happened, i can only assume it was dropped,the missing part was not in the package, the rear cylinder cover was also cracked twice, but i can replace that.
But those four bolts add the structural strength to the chassis when the engine is mounted.
Looking at the haynes the bottom mounts seem to be connected with a rather large bolt is that correct ?
I would not use it like it is.
Making a spacer would be 10 minutes on the lathe, probably a tenner to a local engineer. And then 5 minutes with the grinder to make it fit.
I'll see if i can find one, i think i follow what your saying chris, cut off the old section, and make up a new cylinder/spacer and have it against the engine block.
yorkie_chris
25-08-08, 11:50 AM
Exactly, that mount is adjustable so it doesn't need to be perfect to the thou, but it should really be flat where you grind it off. A bit of bar faced off in the lathe both sides should be near enough for the spacer.
As dave says the engine is a stressed part of the frame and I would guess that most of load there is carried by friction, not shear of the bolt.
Exactly, that mount is adjustable so it doesn't need to be perfect to the thou, but it should really be flat where you grind it off. A bit of bar faced off in the lathe both sides should be near enough for the spacer.
As dave says the engine is a stressed part of the frame and I would guess that most of load there is carried by friction, not shear of the bolt.
Well i'll see what the garage can do for me, or worst case i can have somebody make me up a steel cylinder, just need to come up with a way of cutting it cleanly, and also making sure that we dont inadvertently damage the engine integrity .... ohh the fupping joys !!
Called Fedex there cool, there said there claims dept will be in touch.
yorkie_chris
25-08-08, 12:17 PM
Well don't hack anything up yet then :-P
By rights they should be buying you a new engine.
Well don't hack anything up yet then :-P
By rights they should be buying you a new engine.
Well !! i payed for £250 worth of insurance so we'll see what comes out of it, i explained to the nice girl on the fone, it's an engine mount point, so we maybe have structural entigrity problems, but again she's not part of the claims folks
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dirtydog
25-08-08, 02:29 PM
That's a lovely idea, you have my address right :D
You'd only be jealous of how mine sounded ;)
You'd only be jealous of how mine sounded ;)
See here right !!! when i get this engine in, im going to bring the bike back on English soil ( where it was purchased ) and let you know exactally how it sounds :D
after i install the ignition advancer .... whats that i have to fit the bloody engine first .. yes i know
Dangerous Dave
25-08-08, 04:49 PM
By rights they should be buying you a new engine.
No, as the entire engine is made of several components you will most likely find Fedex will only pay out for a crank case set which is the only piece that is damaged. But don't forget you will need bearings and gaskets, etc...
dirtydog
25-08-08, 05:18 PM
See here right !!! when i get this engine in, im going to bring the bike back on English soil ( where it was purchased ) and let you know exactally how it sounds :D
after i install the ignition advancer .... whats that i have to fit the bloody engine first .. yes i know
Yeah yeah whatever you reckon mate ;)
Dangerous Dave
25-08-08, 05:22 PM
Am I missing something???
No, as the entire engine is made of several components you will most likely find Fedex will only pay out for a crank case set which is the only piece that is damaged. But don't forget you will need bearings and gaskets, etc...
Plus labour !! good to know though Dave, i'll have my ducks in a row when they ring if nothing else
dirtydog
25-08-08, 08:00 PM
Am I missing something???
Your marbles? The plot? ;)
Dangerous Dave
26-08-08, 05:12 PM
The plot? ;)
Lost that a long time ago...
yorkie_chris
26-08-08, 08:16 PM
A set of crankcases are worth f### all. It's probably 2 days work to swap the crank over due to the care needed with the new bearings, plus the expense.
Get the payout and spend it on something else if you can.
A set of crankcases are worth f### all. It's probably 2 days work to swap the crank over due to the care needed with the new bearings, plus the expense.
Get the payout and spend it on something else if you can.
Dosent look good for a pay out...i'm still waiting to hear ...we'll go down the road of drilling/ cutting of the extra section and placing a hollow spacer in between the case and the frame spacer .
hopefully, if i can get the fupping garage to do it
yorkie_chris
27-08-08, 05:53 PM
Can make you a spacer up no problem
shonadoll
27-08-08, 06:33 PM
No, as the entire engine is made of several components you will most likely find Fedex will only pay out for a crank case set which is the only piece that is damaged. But don't forget you will need bearings and gaskets, etc...
FedEx dropped my woodburning stove, breaking the glass, handle, and everything fragile. Basically they paid out more than it was wroth to replace the bits, and we repaired it for next to nothing.
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