KTM Superduke

[glade]

I have a demo ride tomorrow, on a KTM Superduke!

Can't wait... Anyone else had a ride??

Had my SV650S for 2 ½ years and while I know it has more to offer, I'd like a bit more power and better suspension.

The Superduke really captivates me, it's different, rare and promises v-twin torque and noise with that leftfield design. Slighty worried about going naked, but a mate with a Z1000 says it's no issue to him and my riding is a 10 mile commute, and the odd sunday morning blast. Very rare long-distance trips.

I've even got the blessing from the Mrs!! :p

[ThEGr33k]

They sounded pretty good at Cadwell on monday. :D

Pretty nice from what I hear, just watch out for a slightly snatchy throttle. ;)

[the_lone_wolf]

i daren't, because if i do, i'll buy one, and the insurance is too silly for me...

[glade]

They sounded pretty good at Cadwell on monday. :D

Pretty nice from what I hear, just watch out for a slightly snatchy throttle. ;)

I have read a lot about the fuelling... the guys on superduke.net have made formal complaints to KTM UK about it. I can't belive that a company would release something THAT bad to the market! I'm hoping the problem is exaggerated by people used to IL4's getting used to a twin... afterall the SV isn't exactly brilliant at low speeds going between open and closed throttle.

[ThEGr33k]

I have read a lot about the fuelling... the guys on superduke.net have made formal complaints to KTM UK about it. I can't belive that a company would release something THAT bad to the market! I'm hoping the problem is exaggerated by people used to IL4's getting used to a twin... afterall the SV isn't exactly brilliant at low speeds going between open and closed throttle.


Hmmm. yes. But it is probably poor fueling... not enough of a smooth transition from no or little throttle to some.

(mention my bike again...) when I got it with standard chip it was a little rough like the SV but I chipped it and now its soooo smooth. :D

A PCIII I expect would sort it... Though I could be wrong. :confused:

[glade]

The dealer option Akrapovics and dealer remap sort it apparently... I've done a bit more research now and it seems lots of owners don't even notice it.

Can't wait... more than worried i'm going to put my money where my mouth is!

[BBadger]

You might like the going naked.
After around 85 the wind holds you up...sooo cumfy.

[fatneck]

naked bike will help you keep your speed down as well, whilst feeling like you're going faster. hmmn, might have to get me a nekkid!

[ThEGr33k]

About same power OP as mine.... Woooo. Enjoy! :D

[Paul the 6th]

Hmmm. yes. But it is probably poor fueling... not enough of a smooth transition from no or little throttle to some.

(mention my bike again...) when I got it with standard chip it was a little rough like the SV but I chipped it and now its soooo smooth. :D

A PCIII I expect would sort it... Though I could be wrong. :confused:

an alternative to chipping, find the ecu, use some foil from a kitkat wrapper (needs to be from kitcat because the chocolate residue on the foil has certain tuning properties), a toothbrush, some toilet duck and an old el paso fajita dinner kit. With a bit of direction from yorkie chris, you could have it running sweet as a nut within an hour :cool:

[ThEGr33k]

BTW glade if they do them... get some Blue flame Evo3's, the oval ones. They sound SWEET with big twins :D

an alternative to chipping, find the ecu, use some foil from a kitkat wrapper (needs to be from kitcat because the chocolate residue on the foil has certain tuning properties), a toothbrush, some toilet duck and an old el paso fajita dinner kit. With a bit of direction from yorkie chris, you could have it running sweet as a nut within an hour :cool:


Ahhh thats where I been going wrong. How foolish do I feel now :(

[glade]

Greek, would be nice if the demo bike has the akra's on it. There are some really nice exhausts for the SD. Quality looking stuff, but expensive for twin cans :(

Wonder if because they are a factory option they can be haggled into the deal. :)

Paul... You fancy expanding into ktm mercendise? ;)

[ThEGr33k]

Aye i heard the acra's on the race bikes at Cadwell. They sound ok but not enough bass tbh. Not a low enough GROWL :D

I know what you mean I think my twin Blue flames were like £550, titanium ones though if that matters lol. Only thing is the damn brace is rubbing the cans :( kinda making it shiny in places when its ment to be dull. Sound is brilliant though imo. Most people seem to like it.

[Paul the 6th]

Aye i heard the acra's on the race bikes at Cadwell. They sound ok but not enough bass tbh
just fit a sub :)


i'm sure there's a how to for the kitkat foil trick

[ThEGr33k]

just fit a sub :)


i'm sure there's a how to for the kitkat foil trick

:smt101 I dont know wheather to laugh:smt044 or Cry... :smt010

[Paul the 6th]

or try it! you'll be surprised. Right, bed!

ciao bella

[glade]

had the bike today for over an hour did about 40 miles on the a38 south of Bristol. Not great roads, lots of 40 and 50mph limits.

Seating position is upright, but not quite as 'sit up and beg' as a fazer thou. Seat is taller than sv but ok for me 5'11". Bars fall exactly where you expect. Strange looking out over nothing but soon get used to it.

Pootling about the FI snatchiness is noticeable. On a closed throttle 30mph in first and 40mph in 2nd a bit jerky. Not too bad, but noticeable. Good throttle and clutch contol required. Not bad enough to put me off.

The engine is really flexible, plenty of shobe in 2nd and third to squirt past a-road traffic. 2nd gear takes you to 80mph+ makes progress effortless and powering out of bends exciting. Didn't get to use full throttle much.

I didn't notice the wind blast at all, but didn't get any time on a dual carriageway. Again that wouldn't put me off getting one, which was my main worry.

Tank feels very thin between the legs (06 model, bigger tank 07 onwards), seat gave me a numb **** after 30mins.

The best bit... Really light handling, the bike drops into bends quickly and you can just pick a line. Really agile, and great fun. When you get used to the seating position probably easy to hang off, and throw it about. Suspension is firm, and gets better the faster you go. Much more composed in a bend than the SV. Under braking the front dips progressively, (and no clunk!) the brembos just seem to keep providing more stopping power, but it feels easy to moderate that power.

It's a great bike, with a strange character... The looks, the fuel injection, great engine, firm suspension, low tank range.

But I'm not going to buy one. I got back on the sv and it felt different... Low sporty, the tank fitted snugly...perhaps it's familiarity. Not as quick steering but when I pinned it in 2nd the bike pulled strongly and I thought... Is the SD that much better to justify blowing all that money at the moment?

Great bike but... Erm I need to sleep on it.

[ThEGr33k]

Well tbh you can speed the steering up on the SV. Simply raise the rear ride height. Either through Dog bones or by getting a better shocker.

Go out and try other bikes... See what you think to them. No need to rush after all. :D

[ranathari]

Doesn't the Superduke only get 70-80 miles to a tank? Sounds like its more of a trackday or weekend rider than a commuter.

[glade]

Well tbh you can speed the steering up on the SV. Simply raise the rear ride height. Either through Dog bones or by getting a better shocker.

Go out and try other bikes... See what you think to them. No need to rush after all. :D

I'm actually upset I didn't like it more!

Will definstely look into upgrading the SV suspension, clear the finance and enjoy the SV and a bit more ££ every month :)

[ThEGr33k]

I'm actually upset I didn't like it more!

Will definstely look into upgrading the SV suspension, clear the finance and enjoy the SV and a bit more ££ every month :)

Indeed it is a shame. Maybe you needed to find the right roads? Hard to say. I once tried the SV1000 and didnt like it either, though that might have just been that example (it was very poorly set-up suspension wise and the tyre's looked shot.)

Anyway guess not all bikes are for everyone. :)

[glade]

Doesn't the Superduke only get 70-80 miles to a tank? Sounds like its more of a trackday or weekend rider than a commuter.

yep the 05-06 models have a small tank = 80-100 miles. 07 onwards have a bigger tank

[yorkie_chris]

What's the power like on the SD?

[glade]

120bhp

[the_lone_wolf]

What's the power like on the SD?

stock claimed by KTM is 118bhp @9k rpm

on superduke.net people seem to be getting between 110 and 125 at the wheel depending on whether the bike is stock or has the usual mods like akrapovic exhausts and how generous their dyno was...

@glade: if you want some more info on the SD then try browsing the above superduke.net and also the UK KTM forum: www.ktmforum.co.uk

[yorkie_chris]

Oh yeah I've seen the figues, I mean what's the power like... useable/mental etc.

[the_lone_wolf]

Oh yeah I've seen the figues, I mean what's the power like... useable/mental etc.
ah, haven't ridden one myself but they're meant to be pretty wild, but it could be all in the chassis, 70bhp in the SV feels completely tame compared to 60bhp on the 560SMR.

stock dyno curve trawled from a google search:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Needragger/scan0003.jpg

[ThEGr33k]

ah, haven't ridden one myself but they're meant to be pretty wild, but it could be all in the chassis, 70bhp in the SV feels completely tame compared to 60bhp on the 560SMR.

stock dyno curve trawled from a google search:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Needragger/scan0003.jpg

Damn the limiter chimes in early...

[yorkie_chris]

Yeah but the powers tailling off by then, no point having higher limit.

[the_lone_wolf]

Damn the limiter chimes in early...

true, but from 5 to 9krpm it's making more torque than a falco ever does - it doesn't need to scream;)

[ThEGr33k]

Looks to me to be pretty much exactly the same as mine for torque :)

Checked the numbers... (different Dyno and all that but....) I have 0.07ft-lb more :p

[the_lone_wolf]

Looks to me to be pretty much exactly the same as mine for torque :)

Checked the numbers... (different Dyno and all that but....) I have 0.07ft-lb more :p

how much does it weigh again?;)

[ThEGr33k]

how much does it weigh again?;)

How much does the KTM weigh? Mine is about 210KG fully fuelled... that is with a 21L tank though.

[the_lone_wolf]

How much does the KTM weigh? Mine is about 210KG fully fuelled... that is with a 21L tank though.

tell it we're all glad the diet is going so well, it's lost 30kg since the last weigh in:lol:

[ThEGr33k]

tell it we're all glad the diet is going so well, it's lost 30kg since the last weigh in:lol:

Oh... I cant seem to remember quoting any other weight. Stock it would be about 220KG due to the two anchors on wither side :( LOL

Apparently the SD is about 185KG dry so I presume that is just lacking fuel (though it may not be) so wet about 200KG.

[the_lone_wolf]

Oh... I cant seem to remember quoting any other weight. Stock it would be about 220KG due to the two anchors on wither side :( LOL

Apparently the SD is about 185KG dry so I presume that is just lacking fuel (though it may not be) so wet about 200KG.

however...


as some comedian probably said in the early 90s...


"You can't cure ugly"

http://motoprofi.com/bikephoto/3289/aprilia_rsv_mille_sl_falco_2000_1.jpg

http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/attachments/general-bike-related/9707d1199910744-new-bikes-coming-ktm-990-super-duke-r-07-1.jpg

:p

[ThEGr33k]

however...


as some comedian probably said in the early 90s...


"You can't cure ugly"

http://motoprofi.com/bikephoto/3289/aprilia_rsv_mille_sl_falco_2000_1.jpg

http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/attachments/general-bike-related/9707d1199910744-new-bikes-coming-ktm-990-super-duke-r-07-1.jpg

:p

No... A shame the KTM is doomed aye. :(



:p

[the_lone_wolf]

No... A shame the KTM is doomed aye. :(



:P

:rolleyes:

http://bjcrum.com/images/specsavers.jpg

[ThEGr33k]

http://a958.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/51/l_8df227200e91dfb2476e4fb2e6424b55.jpg

Mine is much prettier than the standard one. :)

[the_lone_wolf]

http://a958.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/51/l_8df227200e91dfb2476e4fb2e6424b55.jpg

Mine is much prettier than the standard one. :)

jade goody looks better after she's put her makeup on too but it don't mean she's a looker:smt044

[ThEGr33k]

jade goody looks better after she's put her makeup on too but it don't mean she's a looker:smt044


LOL... compairing my bike to Jade Goody... Why I aut to!

You are Git you know that! :p

Anyway im joking with the looks of the Superduke. I like them, tbh I like pretty much any V2 :D

[the_lone_wolf]

LOL... compairing my bike to Jade Goody... Why I aut to!

yeah that was harsh....














if you're reading, sorry jade;)

[ThEGr33k]

Ahhh... I can tell I would get on with you.





















About as well as Magnesium and water.

[Paul the 6th]

you thought about trying an rc8 tim? ....:):):)....

[the_lone_wolf]

Ahhh... I can tell I would get on with you.

...

About as well as Magnesium and water.

i alkali-ke you too:smt008

[Paul the 6th]

http://www.ktm-rc8.net/fileadmin/rc8/video/vid_2.php

[glade]

you thought about trying an rc8 tim? ....:):):)....

Ha ha... i could never afford one of those! Would be nice one day though.

Oh yeah I've seen the figues, I mean what's the power like... useable/mental etc.

Power is useable, I didn't abuse the throttle because i didn't want to loop a demo bike... i did manage WOT a few times and the speed pile son really quick. Once above 6k and settled (if you know what i mean) you can then give it some without feeling it'll throw you off... which tallies up with that torque curve above.

I have to say.... with more than 120bhp it would be easy to loose the licence quite quickly. A squirt in second gets you from 40-80 really quickly. change into third and use all the revs and you're getting close to a ban. In that respect the SV650 is a nice bike because you can use 100% performance more of the time.

[ThEGr33k]

I have to say.... with more than 120bhp it would be easy to loose the licence quite quickly. A squirt in second gets you from 40-80 really quickly. change into third and use all the revs and you're getting close to a ban. In that respect the SV650 is a nice bike because you can use 100% performance more of the time.


I have to agree! The other day I over took my mates starting in 2nd hit the limiter change to 3rd hit the limiter. Maybe its the new chip but it smashes into the limiter sooooo easily. 3rd at limiter is about 125MPH I think from my calculations. Hope there want a camera! :(

So yes the SV650 is great in that you can thrash the knackers out of it and you still wont quite be in licence losing territory. Also why Litre IL4's now are just beyond silly...

[Paul the 6th]

What now then? Mod the sv beyond the gods maybe? :) nice new shock, sort out the front brakes, mess with the front suspension, maybe change sprockets around and any other mods you fancy? Think that's what I'm gonna do instead of selling for a few years :)

[ThEGr33k]

What now then? Mod the sv beyond the gods maybe? :) nice new shock, sort out the front brakes, mess with the front suspension, maybe change sprockets around and any other mods you fancy? Think that's what I'm gonna do instead of selling for a few years :)


Aye sounds like a good plan to me. Gixxer forks (+ brakes etc - check my sig) maybe? Add some rear ride height to speed the steering... :)

[sv-robo]

Never had a go on one,but would like to.

I really like em especially the black n titanium coloured one...not the orange one,looks like it's made out of lego & spoils it.

[glade]

What now then? Mod the sv beyond the gods maybe? :) nice new shock, sort out the front brakes, mess with the front suspension, maybe change sprockets around and any other mods you fancy? Think that's what I'm gonna do instead of selling for a few years :)

Have already started looking at new springs and oil. Will research changing the steering head geometry to make the steering sharper. Maybe a new shock... mmm

[ThEGr33k]

Have already started looking at new springs and oil. Will research changing the steering head geometry to make the steering sharper. Maybe a new shock... mmm

Aye just raising the head and maybe bringing the forks through the Yokes (I dont know much about doing that on the SV...) will help sort it :)

[yorkie_chris]

No you are lowering the head to decrease rake angle.

[Dangerous Dave]

changing the steering head geometry to make the steering sharper.
Jack the rear up, I advise to fit progressive springs and oil to suit you weight first though.

[glade]

Jack the rear up, I advise to fit progressive springs and oil to suit you weight first though.

Yeah, best plan i rekon. My weight is slightly north of 100kg in the buff so i dread to think what it is in full kit.

[Dangerous Dave]

My weight is slightly north of 100kg in the buff so i dread to think what it is in full kit.
Save some money, only a helmet is the legal requirement....

[Jackie_Black]

Emulators, Linear springs and a nitron sport shock. THats what i'd recomend as its transformed the bike for me completely (i'm over 100 kilos). I went out for a 150 mile blat yesterday and me mate on his er 6 just couldn't keep up. It flies into corners now and you can really get the gas on early on the way out. The bike makes much more sense when you can use all of the power more of the time :).

Cost about £600 for the bits and fitting I think.

A bargain.

[ThEGr33k]

Yeah, best plan i rekon. My weight is slightly north of 100kg in the buff so i dread to think what it is in full kit.


Jeez, I only weight 65KG... :p Means my bike goes quicker ha ha ha.

[the_lone_wolf]

Save some money, only a helmet is the legal requirement....

i think there's some legal requirement for public decency though;)

[muffles]

Jeez, I only weight 65KG... :p Means my bike goes quicker ha ha ha.

But maybe heavy rider/light bike = light rider/heavy bike? ;) :p

[ThEGr33k]

But maybe heavy rider/light bike = light rider/heavy bike? ;) :p

Hard to say... perhapse medium weight bike and light rider? :mrgreen:

[the_lone_wolf]

Hard to say... perhapse medium weight bike and light rider? :mrgreen:

for a given bike+rider mass i'd take heavy rider every time, a heavy bike has more intertia, and if the rider has wee girl arms they can't muscle it around the same as a big guy on a light bike;)

[ThEGr33k]

for a given bike+rider mass i'd take heavy rider every time, a heavy bike has more intertia, and if the rider has wee girl arms they can't muscle it around the same as a big guy on a light bike;)

Ive not got girly arms fortunatly... :D But yes it can take some input to turn. Ill just have to raise the rear and put some Oz wheels on at some point that will make it turn a lot better and drop the weight by about another 8KG :o

[the_lone_wolf]

Ive not got girly arms fortunatly... :D But yes it can take some input to turn. Ill just have to raise the rear and put some Oz wheels on at some point that will make it turn a lot better and drop the weight by about another 8KG :o

you'll have to do better than that to get it under the ton;)

[ThEGr33k]

you'll have to do better than that to get it under the ton;)

Thats what the brakes are for... :rolleyes:

[yorkie_chris]

You don't need to be a muscular brute to handle a heavy bike if you know how to countersteer.

[Skip]

Shame to hear you didnt like the Super Duke - have you considered a Tuono? I really like the Super Duke - but reading your review has dampened my enthusiasm for one! Does anyone else have trouble justifying a new bike when the one you own just seems to do everything well?!?!

[ThEGr33k]

You don't need to be a muscular brute to handle a heavy bike if you know how to countersteer.

TBH even the counter steering can be heavy... I blame this on the back being too low so it slows the steering a LOT :(

[clanger]

The Super Duke is a tall bike isn't it!!! And the distance from you to the handle bars is much closer than on the sv...it's a different animal from the sv altogether. Sounds brilliant though!