'07 gsxr 600.

[DanAbnormal]

Okay, it's about time I swapped bikes again. Been looking at one of these for a bit and the price/mileage is right. They good? I heard that they were lacking bhp though and a bit underpowered. This was of course from some american tester (who probably just rode in a straight line).

[fizzwheel]

Dan have a look round or ask on here

www.gixerjunkies.net (http://www.gixerjunkies.net)

I dont know about the K7, but if its like the K6 I rode it had plenty of go even compared to my K5 - 750

[DanAbnormal]

Thanks Fizz.

[muffles]

Lacking in power?! Didn't seem that way to me. Same as the CBR600RR5 I tried, roughly. Got a bit more oomph top end (>8krpm) compared to the RR though, which was a bit flatter throughout the range.

[the_lone_wolf]

I heard that they were lacking bhp though and a bit underpowered. This was of course from some american tester (who probably just rode in a straight line).
he would have weighed more than the bike then;)

[Grinch]

Okay, it's about time I swapped bikes again.

Again? Don't I see one of these posts once a month?

[kwak zzr]

they are lacking in no power, good bike sharp ride, a pleasure to ride mine is.

[DanAbnormal]

Yes Grinch, I get bored easily. Just ask my current wife. :-D

Cool, thanks guys. For some reason Kwak I thought you had the 750. :smt040

[ThEGr33k]

they are lacking in no power, good bike sharp ride, a pleasure to ride mine is.


No longer miss the V2? :( :p

[muffles]

a pleasure to ride mine is.

Hello Yoda :D

[Grinch]

Yes Grinch, I get bored easily. Just ask my current wife. :-D


That's cus you need a real man... sweet stuff... :cool: ;) :smt008

[Rich]

You've got to test ride one really to realise how powerful they are. All the sheesh about the low end being non existant is tripe, yes compared to a twin or thou it's not as good but it is a 600. If you want nutty power everywhere then got for the 750 or thou. I know they improved it for the K8 but im sure the K7 isn't far off the same. Mine pulls from 4000rpm which supprised me and then it takes off from 8000rpm and rips my arms off 10000rpm onwards.

I haven't got alot to compare the gsxr600 too but compared to the SV the powerband feels huge. The SV used to lack when overtaking and the odd drag race you could tell the power was reaching it's peak but with the gixxer it's one big rush right to the Red line. I tested this out last week, a chav in a VW golf GTI thought it would be fun to play, i blew him away and i remember times on the SV when it would struggle to impress like that but seeing they're jaws drop and the sight and sound of the gixxer was priceless.!!! If you love the sound of an inline four on song, moto GP style then even the standard GSXR600 exhaust offers that and with an after market especially on the K6/K7 with the cat being removable it offers another level to the sound.

Rich

[ThEGr33k]

You've got to test ride one really to realise how powerful they are. All the sheesh about the low end being non existant is tripe, yes compared to a twin or thou it's not as good but it is a 600. If you want nutty power everywhere then got for the 750 or thou. I know they improved it for the K8 but im sure the K7 isn't far off the same. Mine pulls from 4000rpm which supprised me and then it takes off from 8000rpm and rips my arms off 10000rpm onwards.

I haven't got alot to compare the gsxr600 too but compared to the SV the powerband feels huge. The SV used to lack when overtaking and the odd drag race you could tell the power was reaching it's peak but with the gixxer it's one big rush right to the Red line. I tested this out last week, a chav in a VW golf GTI thought it would be fun to play, i blew him away and i remember times on the SV when it would struggle to impress like that but seeing they're jaws drop and the sight and sound of the gixxer was priceless.!!! If you love the sound of an inline four on song, moto GP style then even the standard GSXR600 exhaust offers that and with an after market especially on the K6/K7 with the cat being removable it offers another level to the sound.

Rich


Me being a ****, but its not really motogp style (only the kawa sometimes uses screamer)... Maybe Super sports style. :p

[DanAbnormal]

Ah good. I tested a K7 600 last year but if I'm honest I can't remember the feel. Afterall it wasn't my bike so didn't want to risk binning it. Then I went and bought the ZX6R P7, as long as it is as quick but more comfy than that I will be happy.

[rigor]

Then I went and bought the ZX6R P7, as long as it is as quick but more comfy than that I will be happy.

Yes and yes :D

[Rich]

Me being a ****, but its not really motogp style (only the kawa sometimes uses screamer)... Maybe Super sports style. :p

Your too picky greek boy, :smt019

[kwak zzr]

No longer miss the V2? :( :p

the sound more than anything.

[[JP]]

I found the gixxer 600 a bit boring.... unless you rag the sh!t out of her, that's the only way to have some fun on the bike.... very underpowered..

on the other hand... if you can stretch to the 750....that's a good one!

[Grinch]

Look at if this way... the more new bikes Dan buys the more cheap year old bargins there will be when he gets bored again.

[Balky001]

;1609023']I found the gixxer 600 a bit boring.... unless you rag the sh!t out of her, that's the only way to have some fun on the bike.... very underpowered..

on the other hand... if you can stretch to the 750....that's a good one!


Yep, the 750 would tick all your boxes I reckon

[DanAbnormal]

A 750 is a bit beyond my means or requirements at the moment. Besides, I kinda like ragging the bikes.

[Balky001]

A 750 is a bit beyond my means or requirements at the moment. Besides, I kinda like ragging the bikes.

well if you like ragging it R6 might be a good choice. The GSXR600 is a great bike too.

[krhall]

I test rode two 06 reg CBR-600rr'd earlier and I wasn't expecting them to be too much different to the SV, but man was I wrong! Once I got used to the first one it absolutely belted and did rip my arms off once it got past about 7k......and it had another 10k to go loved it.

Haven't ridden a GSXR 600 yet, next on my list.

Thing I really noticed about the bike is how much lighter and responsive it felt and how you feel part of it!

[sinbad]

I've ridden an '06GSXR600, and what they say about them being underpowered is true..........if you expect it to perform like an IL4thou or 1098 or something. In real terms they're far from underpowered, and they come with what I consider to be the best part of the litre superbikes, the fantastic handling, but in a leaner and even more fun package (imo).

Only real issue for me is comfort, but then if that is an issue why look at sportsbikes at all?

[[JP]]

Dan.. if you are happy raggin the bike, then it's a fun bike...
but raggin is keeping it well on higher revs.. and as Balky says, if you like to rag... try the R6, even better!!

I used to have a thundercat and most people don't like them, but they are faster than the R6 or gixxer600... all because the power is delivered throughout the power band... you don't get a massive kick, of course it kicks at 11k revs roughly... but you can open the throttle at 3k revs and she'll go straight off..
that's where the R6 and gixxer lack....

[ThEGr33k]

Thing I really noticed about the bike is how much lighter and responsive it felt and how you feel part of it!

That seems to be true... but 95% of that is down to the setup on the SV. Raise the rear drop the yokes a little sort the shocker and the fork springs and the Sv will be sharper than sharpe. :D

As shocked as I was to find out the SV wet weight is 5KG lighter than the 06-07 Gixxer 600 and same as 04-05 gixxer 600.

:mrgreen:

[Dangerous Dave]

The SS600's are race bikes at the early design stage, they will feel lighter because of the design and weight placement.

[krhall]

DD - evening. It felt the b*ll*cks and strangely more comfortable and less wristy than the SV, perhaps I was wearing a rose tinted visor? Sorry for the derail!

[kwak zzr]

As shocked as I was to find out the SV wet weight is 5KG lighter than the 06-07 Gixxer 600 and same as 04-05 gixxer 600.

yea but the gixer feels half the weight.

[ThEGr33k]

yea but the gixer feels half the weight.

Indeed. It must be like DD said, its where the weight is not so much how much it has... :cool:

[lukemillar]

Out of the 2007 600's I have ridden on track R6, 675 and GSXR (bikes were stock), the GSXR was my least favourite, but for the reasons why everyone loves them. I found it less focused than the R6 or 675 but in many ways easier to ride quickly. I also think that's why they are the 600 of choice fr the road (less focused, more comfortable ride). However, it just wasn't really exciting enough next to the other 2. I'd love to try an 07 CBR. Kwaks on the other hand, I have no interest in!

[muffles]

I'd love to try an 07 CBR.

From what I've read it's like the 06 but with more midrange - I rode the 06 and it's good, but not as "exciting" as the GSX-R 600 because it's got a more linear range - the GSX-R gives you that thrill when it takes off over ~8krpm, the CBR was just....going...all the time.

Handling wise it was fine and I'm not good enough to be able to pick holes in one or another's handling, when looking at the SS600s anyway.

[krhall]

Defo need a gsxr test now then!!!

[DanAbnormal]

Kwaks on the other hand, I have no interest in!

Bah, too much for you?! :p

[ThEGr33k]

Kwaks on the other hand, I have no interest in!

Strangely me neither. Cant tell you why though. Well maybe its that they only really do IL4's for me. Oh and the lack of any track success for erm... a LONG time. :(

[kwak zzr]

the kawasaki's are very track focused, my mates got a 636 and loves it to bits, long distance its a wrist killer tho, the gixer 6 is very soft and comfortable compared to that.

[Dangerous Dave]

the kawasaki's are very track focused
Agreed, which is odd as that doesn't help them on the track.

[kwak zzr]

strange that init.

[ThEGr33k]

Agreed, which is odd as that doesn't help them on the track.

LOL

strange that init.

And indeed. :confused:

[DanAbnormal]

I asked my (now) friend who is the engine technician for the Kwak Moto GP what had changed since the last race. He said "No comment". :rolleyes:

[Xan173]

Strangely me neither. Cant tell you why though. Well maybe its that they only really do IL4's for me. Oh and the lack of any track success for erm... a LONG time. :(

Pot kettle black :rolleyes:

[ThEGr33k]

Pot kettle black :rolleyes:

Aprilia? 250's and 125's, they win a lot. In WSB they did very well too, not championship winners but not far off. Though I will admit they didnt make a great package in MotoGP... but they did make the most powerful 990 engine ever made for motogp. :mrgreen:


See what happens in WSB next year :)

[lukemillar]

Bah, too much for you?! :p

Nope - nothing against them mechanically. IMO Kwak designers can't design their way out of a paper bag ;) At least, not when sitting next to the competition :p

Last of the attractive Kwak sportsbikes was the 636 B1/2. I haven't seen a zx10r that doesn't look fugly.

[ThEGr33k]

Naaa I dont agree Luke. Looks arnt an issue, the new ZX10R imo is pretty nice. The 6R hasnt looked that great for a couple of generations now though... not since the last 636.

[krhall]

I've been looking at SS600 bikes and had restricted it to looking at GSXR and CBR-RR, but searching around last night I found an 06 R6, which is one mean looking bike and also the ZX6R is a beauty too (plus a Ninja in green would win me massive cool Daddy points with my 3 year old).

I have only driven the CBR, which I loved and I need to get a bike soon, but don't want to miss out on a better bike.

Primarily the bike will be a commuter and I'm not a massively experienced rider or a trackday demon, so which is best?

Yamaha R6
Suzuki GSXR
Honda CBR-RR
Kwak ZX6R

[ThEGr33k]

None :p

If you have to though get the Gixxer... The R6 is poor even compaired to the other 600's for comfort and Engine bottom and mid range... thats a bike that REALLY does need reving.

[krhall]

I didn't find the CBR-RR too bad low down really, although it does need revving to go anywhere fast, I think it wouls actually suit my style of riding although from what I have read the Gixer is a more "alive" beast.

[lukemillar]

Naaa I dont agree Luke. Looks arnt an issue, the new ZX10R imo is pretty nice. The 6R hasnt looked that great for a couple of generations now though... not since the last 636.

The new zx10 looks like it has a beak and is cross-eyed! That couple with the fact that it has some sorted of loudspeaker bolted to where the exhaust should be. Take the big for Japanese manufacturers - Kawasaki are most definitely a distant 4th in the design department

[lukemillar]

he R6 is poor even compaired to the other 600's for comfort and Engine bottom and mid range... thats a bike that REALLY does need reving.

Ever ridden one?

[kwak zzr]

The new zx10 looks like it has a beak and is cross-eyed! That couple with the fact that it has some sorted of loudspeaker bolted to where the exhaust should be. Take the big for Japanese manufacturers - Kawasaki are most definitely a distant 4th in the design department

agreed on everything, fookinel them mirrors! them indicators! that zorst! what were they thinking!

[DanAbnormal]

Aah the new ZX10 is fugly beyond words. That said the last gen ZX10 is a beauty, most of the other ZX6's weren't too bad and the ZX7R is one of the prettiest bikes ever made. I've always loved Kwaks though, that induction roar is dreamy.

[ThEGr33k]

Ever ridden one?

No... But just looking at the Dyno's is enough, all the other 600's are way better till about 14K RPM where the R6 takes off higher for about 500 RPM. I mean it may not feel the same on the road but most reviews say it does. :rolleyes:

Of course you may want to say im wrong... Go ahead if you will.

[ThEGr33k]

the ZX7R is one of the prettiest bikes ever made. I've always loved Kwaks though, that induction roar is dreamy.

Eh! "Should have gone to spec savers" comes to mind. TBH the best looking bike to come out of japan is the K5-6 Gixxer 1000! If you want a good looking bike imo you dont go for a jap bike. :(

[Stu]

Eh! "Should have gone to spec savers" :smt062

[DanAbnormal]

Eh! "Should have gone to spec savers" comes to mind. TBH the best looking bike to come out of japan is the K5-6 Gixxer 1000! If you want a good looking bike imo you dont go for a jap bike. :(

Don't tell me, I should buy a Falco??? :rolleyes:

Horses for courses but the ZX7 is renowned for being a great looking and handling bike. The Italians make nice looking bikes but they are renowend for being expensive and unreliable, as a general rule of course.

[ThEGr33k]

Don't tell me, I should buy a Falco??? :rolleyes:

Horses for courses but the ZX7 is renowned for being a great looking and handling bike. The Italians make nice looking bikes but they are renowend for being expensive and unreliable, as a general rule of course.

Aye... That is ofcouse mostly thanks to the Ducati's. I dont know, My Falco is nice imo, some people like, some dont, fair play either way. The 7R imo just looks old and dated :(

[Dangerous Dave]

The new zx10 looks like it has a beak and is cross-eyed!
+ 1, the first of the ZX10R's was the last of the nice looking race rep kwaks.

http://www.bigboystoyz.com/affiliate_images/mo_maistozx10r.jpg

[ThEGr33k]

Beware Kawasaki like to tell you lies... :p

To quote so you dont need the link...

Also went for a ride out with a mate who has just got a new 2008 ZX6R, I stomped all over the bike bottom end and coming out of corners due to the torque. but must say flat out there was not much in it once we where in 6th. but the funny this as how in accurate the ZX6R's speedo was *76mph versus *65mph vmax. Why do they do this???

I guess star *76mph means 1(76) :p


http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1956974&postcount=20

[DanAbnormal]

Didn't know a Vmax could do 165. Wow! That could be interesting! I got my ZX6R ('07) to read 172 but knew this was keen at best.

[ThEGr33k]

Didn't know a Vmax could do 165. Wow! That could be interesting! I got my ZX6R ('07) to read 172 but knew this was keen at best.

No he was riding a SL1000... Vmax is the max velocity you have done on the bike. Stored in the memory.

[carty]

although it does need revving to go anywhere fast

A couple of people have mentioned needing to really rev a 600 to go fast. This isn't directed specifically at you Krhall and isn't necessarily a criticism (yours was just a handy quote!) but we must all understand that this is relative yes?

In sixth gear at 90mph my gixxer 600 is doing about 8000rpm. It's not even really in to 'the powerband' and it's well over the limit. Roll on accelaration from there is pretty good but if you drop it in to 3rd or 4th from there and accelerate then you really have to hang on :batman:

Bottom line is that these bikes are fast. If you're using it on track and you want to keep it firing out of corners then yes, you have to keep the revs up, but for road riding, unless you're riding WELL over the limit (which granted sometimes most of us do) you don't HAVE to rev it hard all the time. You can at mid-revs and still overtake most things on the road.

By the way, Dan, get one. You won't regret it. You even get a free seat pod and some decent storage space under the seat. Plus adjustable pegs. And great clocks.

Cheers,
Matt

[kwak zzr]

i find that my usually riding between 30 and 50 is only using about 4-5k revs, when i ride the bike quickly 60 - 100ish i still find the revs stil under 10k? when u go over 10k all hell breaks loose and the horizon comes to you very quickly! ive been a "V" 2 bloke for the last 4 years after coming from IL4's and yes i do love v twin bikes but the little gixer certainly has'nt disappointed and thats coming from a sv1000.

[lukemillar]

No... But just looking at the Dyno's is enough, all the other 600's are way better till about 14K RPM where the R6 takes off higher for about 500 RPM. I mean it may not feel the same on the road but most reviews say it does. :rolleyes:

Of course you may want to say im wrong... Go ahead if you will.

I thought so. You really shouldn't pass judgment on what bikes are like until you have actually ridden one. Reviews and dyno graphs numbers are one thing but actually taking it out for a ride is a completely different experience. I actually think that the current crop of 600's are incredibly close performance and handling wise and reviews tend to exaggerate minor differences as otherwise reading a review on all the 600s which simply says "not much difference really" doesn't sell magazines. I also think that these minor differences are only noticeable ridding the 600s back to back.

For instance, I read in a recent copy of "Fast Bikes" that apparently the Ducati 848 is rubbish but looks nice! Pinch of salt anyone?

The problem is, people then start bounding these same opinions around without actually ever ridding these bikes and the Chinese whisper gets further distorted and exaggerated! The picture that so commonly gets painted these days is that the R6 is the equivalent of a 50cc scooter until it hits 12k rpm, when it suddenly gets 1000cc esqe power! This is a bit of a joke. Sure it makes less power further down the rev range than the rivals, but in real world terms, you or I aren't gonna notice that at 8k rpm, had I bought a CBR I would have approx 4 more hp and 1ft lb of torque!

People are quick to criticse on here, but I find that they are the same people who insist on riding round town in 5th gear at 40mph or ~3k rpm (which the SV/twin could do) and find the thing stumbling therefore it must need it's nuts revving off??? There are appreciable differences in the IL4 and V2 engine configurations and you shouldn't expect to be able to ride them exactly the same way.

Anyway, the bottom line to my SS600 rant is any of them will blow your mind, so just buy the one you: A: like the look of and B: Can afford!

Do that an you won't be upset with your choice :D

[ThEGr33k]

Fair enough. :)