View Full Version : Do you need proper bike gear for a 50cc?
dirtydog
29-08-08, 03:53 PM
It may sound like a stupid question but here's the scenario...
Kitkats daughter is wanting to get a 50cc bike in January when she turns 16 to get to college etc etc but she's not wanting to wear full gear ie textile jacket and trousers. Quite happy to wear proper boots and gloves will wear a jacket without persuation but doesn't want to wear textile trousers as she thinks everyone at college with think she's a muppet for wearing them instead of normal jeans or draggin jeans.
What does the org think?
dirtydog
29-08-08, 03:54 PM
Oh and the reason we're looking at textiles is cos she'll be using it all year round
the_lone_wolf
29-08-08, 03:55 PM
give her until the first day with heavy rain;)
draggin jeans are fine, i crashed in mine at low speeds and they're good to go again
dirtydog
29-08-08, 03:57 PM
give her until the first day with heavy rain;)
draggin jeans are fine, i crashed in mine at low speeds and they're good to go again
That's our point they're fine when the weather is ok but I would think they're going to be a bit chilly to wear in January
Luckypants
29-08-08, 03:57 PM
If she will wear draggin jeans, then just waterproof overtrousers? or one of them apron things if it's a scoot. Best to compromise eh?
dirtydog
29-08-08, 03:58 PM
I doubt she'd wear the overtrousers either as they're not trendy or something
the_lone_wolf
29-08-08, 03:59 PM
That's our point they're fine when the weather is ok but I would think they're going to be a bit chilly to wear in January
just let her find out by herself then, keep the draggin jeans for now:cool:
you can do light showers in draggins (they're heavy) but after a few days in a cold snap in january she'll want more on i'm sure:mrgreen:
fizzwheel
29-08-08, 04:14 PM
I doubt she'd wear the overtrousers either as they're not trendy or something
I'll be she'll change her mind after getting soaked on a few cold wet miserable winters mornings.
Draggin jeans seem like a good compromise to me.
Draggin jeans are awesome.
That is all.
She'll get wet once and look more stupid wet than taking off a pair of overtrousers. I used to think the same on my old 50cc, but then i prefered to be dry than wet all day so i soon changed my mind. We live an learn, tell her your 2p and let her make her own mind up!!!
Rich
Well if she's willing to wear gloves/helmet/jacket/boots/draggin jeans, count yourself lucky.
suzsv650
29-08-08, 05:35 PM
Whats the differnce between falling off at 60 on a R1 or 60 on a Derbi gpr50?
or any other 50.....????????
On my 50 i wore jacket lid and gloves without fail! Most of the time boots too and in the winter i wore trousers too!
dirtydog
29-08-08, 05:43 PM
We don't have a problem with her wearing Draggin jeans but I just don't think they're suitable for all year riding, her getting cold and wet then robbing the bank of mum for textile trousers! Plus she's now moaning that the textile jackets are to big and bulky as she'll "only be going to college and back and that's only 6 miles each way" :smt092:smt092
suzsv650
29-08-08, 05:47 PM
no gear no bike! gloves and jacket are a MUST!
dirtydog
29-08-08, 05:48 PM
no gear no bike! gloves and jacket are a MUST!
That's pretty much the ultimatum at the moment, decent gear or get the bus!
startrek.steve
29-08-08, 06:06 PM
Broke my elbow at 20mph, helmet trashed, jacket ripped, hip a nice shade of blue....
so.... yes!!!!
Steve
I think steve should take a few pics (of his injuries) to put her off,, and get her to look at the "Always wear you ferking leathers" thread. I came off my 50cc a few times and once i only had jeans on, lucky it was only at 20mph. My **** hert after that and the gashes i had wern't pretty.. Still i learnt the hard way :rolleyes:
the_lone_wolf
29-08-08, 06:15 PM
I think steve should take a few pics to put her off...
then take some showing his injuries?;)
then take some showing his injuries?;)
:smt082
dirtydog
29-08-08, 06:31 PM
I've tried that using my scarred knees as an example as i've come off twice at about 15mph wearing just jeans. I even showed her bigapes thread and her response was if that can happen with the proper gear what difference does it make?
fizzwheel
29-08-08, 06:37 PM
I've just been talking to my brother, who came off his KTM on Wednesday night... He had on Suomy lid, Alpinestars jacket, gloves and boots, but he's doenst like wearing his textile trousers. So he had his work overalls on instead of proper bike kit trousers. ( he's a mechanic ) Bike got away from him on a bumpy road due to what sounds like the mother of all tankslappers under hard acceleration he remember the bars going lock to lock and he has bruised and sore wrists...
Result : His top half, his hands, his head shoulders etc are all good. His work overalls melted due to the abrasion of the tarmac on them and he now has what sounds like nasty gravel rash, with skin burns on top.
Its the 2nd time he's crashed without proper gear on his bottom half, the first time he was gravel rashed and cut up quite badly.
Trouble is you never know when this is going to happen, so its all very well saying "I'm only going to college"
Like you I reckon draggin jeans are good, but they are going to be miserable come winter when shes got cold and wet. But it also sounds like she needs to find out the hardway about this.
The Draggin jeans are OK, but if you want proper protection then you should go with the hood jeans.
yorkie_chris
29-08-08, 06:58 PM
Draggin jeans, let her find out for herself that they aren't waterproof.
fizzwheel
29-08-08, 07:00 PM
The Draggin jeans are OK, but if you want proper protection then you should go with the hood jeans.
Whats the difference between the draggin and the hood jeans and what makes the hood's better ?
dirtydog
29-08-08, 07:14 PM
Result : His top half, his hands, his head shoulders etc are all good. His work overalls melted due to the abrasion of the tarmac on them and he now has what sounds like nasty gravel rash, with skin burns on top.
Trouble is you never know when this is going to happen, so its all very well saying "I'm only going to college"
Like you I reckon draggin jeans are good, but they are going to be miserable come winter when shes got cold and wet. But it also sounds like she needs to find out the hardway about this.
Ouch that sounds painful, hope he heals quickly
Both times i've come off wearing jeans have been really close to home, last time was the end of my road which was about 100m from my drive.
It just seems a bit of a waste buuying draggin/hood jeans for them to be discarded cos they're too cold etc. I know they'll get used when it warms up but then there's the hassle of going to get some textiles
fizzwheel
29-08-08, 07:17 PM
Ouch that sounds painful, hope he heals quickly
He says its healing, but he's still a bit sore, like I said to him, he's in one piece and it could have been alot worse. Also like he says he knows the risks and its his choice not to wear proper kit on his bottom half. He was talking to his work colleage on the same day about riding in proper leathers... ironic isnt it.
What about dragging jeans and then going to millets and getting some hiking waterproofs that she can slip on over the top on wet days. Might look a bit better than motorcycle styled stuff.
dirtydog
29-08-08, 07:42 PM
Have suggested the over trousers but she's not keen. The jacket is now a problem as the decent ones are a bit on the bulky side and make her shoulders look huge
gettin2dizzy
29-08-08, 07:45 PM
Show her some pictures of low speed accidents. Then tell her not to be a muppet.
fizzwheel
29-08-08, 07:46 PM
oh dear...
dirtydog
29-08-08, 08:04 PM
oh dear...
She's worried about what others will be wearing and what they'll think of her if she turns up in full textile gear or a bulky textile jacket and they're just wearing jeans etc :roll::roll:
the_lone_wolf
29-08-08, 08:07 PM
She's worried about what others will be wearing and what they'll think of her if she turns up in full textile gear or a bulky textile jacket and they're just wearing jeans etc :roll::roll:
if she's 16 they'll all be jealous that they had to take the bloody bus ferchirssakes:D
fizzwheel
29-08-08, 08:08 PM
Ah the joys of youth... If you buy the right stuff it isnt bulky though.. Trouble is as Liz has found as Kit Kat has probably alot of the womens specific stuff is sh*te it doesnt fit well if you are not stick thin and its not really designed with riders in mind either. So I reckon you might struggle as Liz does to find anything that looks OK, fits well and does its job properly.
She'll be laughing at them if it p*sses with rain and they are all soaked and cold all day and shes not.
I reckon you're off for a tour of the bike clothing shops... enjoy... not !!!!
the_lone_wolf
29-08-08, 08:09 PM
what about a more form fitting leather jacket, my leather jacket is surprisingly showerproof, not cheap but certainly more stylish than a huge textile job and good to crash in:
http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/products_id/3316
edit: leather/texile mix:
http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/cPath/1_15_114/products_id/4807
dirtydog
29-08-08, 08:11 PM
if she's 16 they'll all be jealous that they had to take the bloody bus ferchirssakes:D
Exactly!! I used to live down the road from the college and used to see loads of them standing at the bus stops in the rain and cold looking bloody miserable while waiting for the bus :rolleyes:
dirtydog
29-08-08, 08:16 PM
Ah the joys of youth... If you buy the right stuff it isnt bulky though.. Trouble is as Liz has found as Kit Kat has probably alot of the womens specific stuff is sh*te it doesnt fit well if you are not stick thin and its not really designed with riders in mind either. So I reckon you might struggle as Liz does to find anything that looks OK, fits well and does its job properly.
She'll be laughing at them if it p*sses with rain and they are all soaked and cold all day and shes not.
I reckon you're off for a tour of the bike clothing shops... enjoy... not !!!!
Yeah tell me about it, tried on a few jackets at infinity today and none of the ladies stuff fitted particularly well.
Have said to her so they can wear what they want, just think what state their legs/arms/hands will be in if they bin it.
She's a nightmare for shoping normally let alone for bike gear!
dizzyblonde
29-08-08, 08:33 PM
I agree ladies gear is a bit pants. I can't get a ladies pair of leather trooosers to fit my long legs, as they end up half way up my calves in the right size and too huge round the waist next size up.
Although I now own a nice pair of Richa rextiles that fit rather nice! My Halvarssons textiles jacket does the job that i wanted it to do but, its a small mens size( and a tad too big) but the ladies ones were carp.
Draggins, I agree are great in better weather. I used to have waterproof over the top of them, but got embarrassed by lookig like MC hammer....lol which is why I bought the new kit this year
Get her to the winter sales and save yourself a fortune when bike gear is going cheap.
dirtydog
29-08-08, 08:46 PM
I agree ladies gear is a bit pants. I can't get a ladies pair of leather trooosers to fit my long legs, as they end up half way up my calves in the right size and too huge round the waist next size up.
Although I now own a nice pair of Richa rextiles that fit rather nice! My Halvarssons textiles jacket does the job that i wanted it to do but, its a small mens size( and a tad too big) but the ladies ones were carp.
Draggins, I agree are great in better weather. I used to have waterproof over the top of them, but got embarrassed by lookig like MC hammer....lol which is why I bought the new kit this year
Get her to the winter sales and save yourself a fortune when bike gear is going cheap.
She's quite long legged as well which causes problems.
That's why she doesn't want to wear overtrousers. The mens small jacket we tried on was too small and the medium to big and not fitting quite right and the ladies stuff wasn't much better
We need stuff sorted for January so don't know if the sales will help
dizzyblonde
29-08-08, 09:00 PM
if she goes for the textiles.....give her a big push towards em;-)
The Richa ones that i got really do stay dry, and i don't have any probs with the length...very reasonably priced and they don't seem too bulky either......and warm in winter, not too bad in summer either...or is that just because we haven;t had one...lol
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews173765.html
a review of mine..
and pic
http://www.mc-clothing.co.uk/acatalog/MonsoonTrouser.jpgwether it be 50cc or 5 million cc I still think wearing good gear is a must
BBadger
29-08-08, 09:09 PM
my 50cc got crushed by a lorry with me on it. flew over 2 cars and skidded on my side.
I WISH ID BEEN WEARING A JACKET....8 weeks in a cast so shes a clever girl.
legs where fine apart from few scratches and bruses, why dont you try the jeans with the kevlar lining that should solve most of the problem.
I think you need to point out to her that the reason Big Apes "always where your "F" leathers" post exists, is because he was wearing his kit which stopped him getting chopped in half!!!!
THe over trousers you can get will easy fit in under the seat of the scooty so its not like anyone will actuall see them. As for the jacket, It is very hard to get a lady one that fits properly but there are some nice bargins at the Shows. My good lady wife picked up a fitted one for many cheap bucks at teh NEC last year.
just take her on to you tube and type in americans on bikes and let her sit and watch those dosy gits come off without kit, she may well change her mind.
Save your breath, 16 year olds know everything and you and I are just stupid so don't even bother going there.
I tried to talk to my nephew about wearing proper bike gear, he knows exactly how and why I spent 4 weeks in ICU when I was 19. Apparently looking good and not being laughed at by your idiot mates (who walk everywhere or take buses) is more important than saving your life or saving yuorself from broken bones...so I simply called him a tw4t and walked away. If he wants to ride around in trackie bottoms and a T-shirt then I'll just laugh when he throws himself up the road. He had his warnings and I shall gloat.
Shellywoozle
29-08-08, 11:54 PM
I was wearing my jeans when I had my off at 40mph, my bike jacket, gloves and boots did the job, I have a lovely scare on my right hip from where my jacket moved up as it had nothing to be zipped to and my jeans cut into my waist.
Tell her that a scare is less trendy !!! She probably still wont listen tho ... words wall, banging and brick come to mind with teenagers, bless em
Well if she's willing to wear gloves/*/jacket/boots/draggin jeans, count yourself lucky.+1
Whats the differnce between falling off at 60 on a R1 or 60 on a Derbi gpr50?
or any other 50.....????????
Because 50's only do 30 unless someone's tinkered with it :roll:
So what's the difference between a push bike at 30 and a scooter?
So what's her view on the aprons you get for scooters? for warmth & dry, & Dragin for protection?
How about Girls Bike 2 in Dorking for ladies bike gear, should get a WVAM discount too.
*Ohhh & is there going to be an issue with the helmet a la open face Momo? :-dd
How about Girls Bike 2 in Dorking for ladies bike gear, should get a WVAM discount too.
They've got a sale on starting today.
dirtydog
30-08-08, 07:21 AM
I think you need to point out to her that the reason Big Apes "always where your "F" leathers" post exists, is because he was wearing his kit which stopped him getting chopped in half!!!!
THe over trousers you can get will easy fit in under the seat of the scooty so its not like anyone will actuall see them. As for the jacket, It is very hard to get a lady one that fits properly but there are some nice bargins at the Shows. My good lady wife picked up a fitted one for many cheap bucks at teh NEC last year.
just take her on to you tube and type in americans on bikes and let her sit and watch those dosy gits come off without kit, she may well change her mind.
Tried the look what happened to bigape thing but there's just no reasoning with her.:rolleyes:
She wont wear the over trousers with draggin jeans even if she can hide them under the seat
When is the NECshow?
Save your breath, 16 year olds know everything and you and I are just stupid so don't even bother going there.
Yeah tell me about it! Thing is she'll see someone riding their bike in shorts or flipfops or t-shirt and say "what a ****".
I was wearing my jeans when I had my off at 40mph, my bike jacket, gloves and boots did the job, I have a lovely scare on my right hip from where my jacket moved up as it had nothing to be zipped to and my jeans cut into my waist.
Tell her that a scare is less trendy !!! She probably still wont listen tho ... words wall, banging and brick come to mind with teenagers, bless em
Have you got a pic of that you could PM me?
That sounds so wrong! lol
+1
Because 50's only do 30 unless someone's tinkered with it :roll:
So what's the difference between a push bike at 30 and a scooter?
So what's her view on the aprons you get for scooters? for warmth & dry, & Dragin for protection?
How about Girls Bike 2 in Dorking for ladies bike gear, should get a WVAM discount too.
*Ohhh & is there going to be an issue with the helmet a la open face Momo? :-dd
Tinker with a 50cc? surely not ;). The difference is she couldn't ride a push bike at 30mph for 6metres let alone 6 miles.
The apron thing wont work as she wants a geared bike (something along the lines of a DT50) rather than a scoot
She's already got a fullface lid and gloves fcrom when she's gone on the bike with me before but her leathers no longer fit, plus she doesn't want to wear leathers either
They've got a sale on starting today.
Ta for the heads up
Vickster
30-08-08, 08:07 AM
In my opinion 16 year olds shouldn't be on anything motorised. Nuff said.
Even though you shouldn't be pandering to her. Tell her as it is. If she doesn't like it she doesn't get the moped. It really isn't that ****ing difficult.
Buy her a push bike.
I heard that New Look are launching a trendy new line of coffins. Sell her that one.
dirtydog
30-08-08, 08:38 AM
In my opinion 16 year olds shouldn't be on anything motorised. Nuff said.
Why?
Even though you shouldn't be pandering to her. Tell her as it is. If she doesn't like it she doesn't get the moped. It really isn't that ****ing difficult.
And how exactly are we pandering to her? The deal is if she wont wear decent gear she doesn't get it. I have no problem with Draggin jeans except the weather issue.
Buy her a push bike.
I heard that New Look are launching a trendy new line of coffins. Sell her that one.
What's the difference between riding a pushbike along a partially unlit A road where people drive like tw*ts along it than riding a 50cc which can do the speed limit along most of the road?
I heard that New Look are launching a trendy new line of coffins. Sell her that one.
that is my daughter you are talking about. It may be that because im a hormonal wreck just now but I really really take offence at that. Everyone else on here has managed to give us constructive views. You have not - therefore shut your mouth
yorkie_chris
30-08-08, 09:36 AM
IMO get her the draggin jeans and tell her "told you so" when it's freezing rain and snow. Then you can get her the over trousers.
people in Holland make me laugh.every town you go into has people buzzing every where on scooters without helmits and wearing shortskirts high heels(women of course) shorts and T shirts.The thing is though that pushbikes and scooters all have their own lanes and the right of way.Seems madness to me
yorkie_chris
30-08-08, 09:38 AM
Oh yeah has she read this thread?
Draggin jeans and over trousers work fine, have ridden in those in very bad weather for long distance. You look same as if you had textiles on when it's raining.
But then again, 6 miles you're not going to be that cold unless it's proper slashing down.
That sounds so wrong! lol
Yeah doesn't it! pm me too :twisted:
:lol:
dirtydog
30-08-08, 09:40 AM
Oh yeah has she read this thread?
Draggin jeans and over trousers work fine, have ridden in those in very bad weather for long distance. You look same as if you had textiles on when it's raining.
But then again, 6 miles you're not going to be that cold unless it's proper slashing down.
No she's not read this yet.
She wont wear the over trousers though and she'll be riding all year round
yorkie_chris
30-08-08, 09:42 AM
I bet you she will wear the over trousers after the first long ride in proper cold. :-P
I bet you she will wear the over trousers after the first long ride in proper cold. :-P
She's 16, I'll bet she won't.
dirtydog
30-08-08, 09:45 AM
She's 16, I'll bet she won't.
You must've met her than Lozzo cos you're right :rolleyes:
IMO get her the draggin jeans and tell her "told you so" when it's freezing rain and snow. Then you can get her the over trousers.
+1 at least it's not the Lozzo " I told you so" scenario
yorkie_chris
30-08-08, 09:47 AM
So even if she refuses to wear over trousers, she's not going to freeze to death going 6 miles at 30mph (if still restricted, them engines don't like it) What's to lose?
In my opinion 16 year olds shouldn't be on anything motorised. Nuff said.
Even though you shouldn't be pandering to her. Tell her as it is. If she doesn't like it she doesn't get the moped. It really isn't that ****ing difficult.
Buy her a push bike.
I heard that New Look are launching a trendy new line of coffins. Sell her that one.
That strikes me as a particularly unreasonable post. Do you know this 16 year old?
I got my bike when I was 17, should I have been on the road?
This is trying to be a constructive thread, why take away from that?
My 2p:
I've ridden a few times in jeans where I was riding for fun and I didn't like it, slowed down accordingly. The problem is if she starts off in jeans, there's nothing for her to accordingly ride to, if that makes any sense?
I won't take anybody out on my bike unless they're in full gear, because they're my responsibility. In the same respect I wouldn't let my kid (if I had one) out without gloves, a proper jacket, boots and of course lid. I'd also make sure that if not textile trousers, hood jeans or similar.
Like Lozzo said, she won't listen to you. I wasn't allowed a bike, and I didn't listen, but I wore full gear. Soon after my dad got a bike :rolleyes:
slark01
30-08-08, 10:19 AM
I agree with the hood jeans idea, but would also add that maybe some wet weather gear that is more suited to her age group. I'm sure you will find something on the tinternet.
http://www.takecontrol.net/hans/tourdewedgie/groucho/headr2.jpg
You must've met her than Lozzo cos you're right :rolleyes:
I have 4 kids, aged 27, 19, 16 and 15...I know exactly what you're going through
dirtydog
30-08-08, 10:34 AM
In my opinion 16 year olds shouldn't be on anything motorised. Nuff said.
So a 17 yr old is much less of a risk on anything motorised?
BBadger
30-08-08, 10:38 AM
PLAN !
is it a case of she doesnt want to ...or she thinks it wont look good??
yorkie_chris
30-08-08, 10:39 AM
I was riding some pretty high powered stuff from 14 onwards, I was a f###ing liability. No reason to stop people from riding though, when I got on a road bike I calmed down a lot.
dirtydog
30-08-08, 10:41 AM
PLAN !
is it a case of she doesnt want to ...or she thinks it wont look good??
Thinks it wont look good or she'll look out of place as others probably wont be fully kitted up
BBadger
30-08-08, 10:47 AM
i can really understand, as i did stupid things on my vespa ( shorts and tshirt ) along some dangerous roads, as i would look good and thats all that mattered at the time.
so shes willing to wear gear which shows shes a very smart girl.
tryed cammo, or other odd designes for trouers or you can wate till the girls bike shop and see her reaction to what they say to her and what she sees other people wearing.
Whats the difference between the draggin and the hood jeans and what makes the hood's better ?
The Draggin Jeans are better then jeans, as I've had some, but they only us patches of Aramid. Where as the hood jeans its more like shorts of Aramid, makes it warmer but not as bad a leathers. Also the jeans themselves are double stitched and the pockets are all 'denim' so no cotton pocket that will split after 5 minutes.
i agree with vic. Just tell her its proper textiles or dragon and water proofs. If she refuses drag her along the road and see if she thinks gravel rash is cool or trendy.
Shellywoozle
30-08-08, 02:07 PM
If she refuses drag her along the road and see if she thinks gravel rash is cool or trendy.
They are sexy I have one !!
I have read back and you say she has seen Big Apes thread, if that don't do it nothing will. All you can do is make sure you get her the correct kit and try and drum it into her. If you buy it her and put it away so she knows where it is she may plesasantly surprise you and use it, if she thinks its her choice she may well wear it.
At the end of the day she is now her own person and when she is cold and wet she may well then decide "my parents where right".
At that age don't kids tend to do the opposite of what they are told?
fizzwheel
30-08-08, 02:12 PM
Funny isnt it. I'll cycle at 30mph or more sometime in a pair of cycling shorts and a cycling top. which have zero gravel rash protection, but I wont ride my GSXR across town at 30mph without my leathers on... even I think I have double standards !!!!
DD & Kitkat, can you not offer her this as a compromise.
You buy her dragin jeans, she rides all year round, she gets wet if it rains and she doesnt moan at you about it. Or if she doesnt want to ride in the rain she pays to get the bus instead. If she decides she needs textiles later on, she pays for them ? I dont know what her money / job situation is like so I dont know if that would work though.
I dont know your daughter, but at 16 I thought I knew everything and my parents were wrong all the time. It took a few hard lessons before I realised that I didnt and my mum and dad were actually giving me good advice, perhaps getitng cold and wet on her scotter in the winter is a lesson she needs to learn for herself ?
the_lone_wolf
30-08-08, 02:22 PM
Funny isnt it. I'll cycle at 30mph or more sometime in a pair of cycling shorts and a cycling top. which have zero gravel rash protection, but I wont ride my GSXR across town at 30mph without my leathers on... even I think I have double standards !!!!
DD & Kitkat, can you not offer her this as a compromise.
You buy her dragin jeans, she rides all year round, she gets wet if it rains and she doesnt moan at you about it. Or if she doesnt want to ride in the rain she pays to get the bus instead. If she decides she needs textiles later on, she pays for them ? I dont know what her money / job situation is like so I dont know if that would work though.
I dont know your daughter, but at 16 I thought I knew everything and my parents were wrong all the time. It took a few hard lessons before I realised that I didnt and my mum and dad were actually giving me good advice, perhaps getitng cold and wet on her scotter in the winter is a lesson she needs to learn for herself ?
:winner:
If she refuses drag her along the road and see if she thinks gravel rash is cool or trendy.
I thought that this piece of advice was a bit harsh. No-one in their right mind would want to drag someone so precious to them along the road to prove a point on gravel rash :rolleyes:
Just tell her its proper textiles or dragon and water proofs.
However this is much more constructive advice :cool: ;)
Funny isnt it. I'll cycle at 30mph or more sometime in a pair of cycling shorts and a cycling top. which have zero gravel rash protection, but I wont ride my GSXR across town at 30mph without my leathers on... even I think I have double standards !!!!
God knows what speed I do on my mountain bike over the jagged rocks of the peak district, can't be much slower than some of armoured the DHers . And yet, being an XCer, I'm only in lycra too!
littleperson
30-08-08, 04:52 PM
It may sound like a stupid question but here's the scenario...
Kitkats daughter is wanting to get a 50cc bike in January when she turns 16 to get to college etc etc but she's not wanting to wear full gear ie textile jacket and trousers. Quite happy to wear proper boots and gloves will wear a jacket without persuation but doesn't want to wear textile trousers as she thinks everyone at college with think she's a muppet for wearing them instead of normal jeans or draggin jeans.
What does the org think?
My daughter goes to college on her 125 and has done the "I'm not wearing ...." until she got wet!!!!!!!!
Now she puts waterproofs over jeans and stays dry much more comfort for a day at college
Teenagers dont think logically or with any sense its the "I'll make my own mistakes" :rolleyes: and they do with a "I told you so!!!!" from those of us who know better:riding:
joshmac
30-08-08, 06:57 PM
DD & Kitkat, can you not offer her this as a compromise.
You buy her dragin jeans, she rides all year round, she gets wet if it rains and she doesnt moan at you about it. Or if she doesnt want to ride in the rain she pays to get the bus instead. If she decides she needs textiles [or waterproofs] later on, she pays for them ?
Very good advice.
When I was on my 50cc bike last year, wore textile jacket, lid, gloves (would have worn boots if the the sidestand didn't stick out too far :rolleyes:) and my old motocross pants with amour under them.
After getting absolutely soaked twice, I would always have waterproofs under the seat.
Until she's experienced getting very wet and cold, I don't think you'll be able to change her mind (sorry if I'm making false assumptions)
PS: It really ****s me off when people make sweeping generalisations about 16/17 year olds. I'd honestly say that I was a safer rider last year (at 16 Vic :rolleyes:) than a lot of car drivers.
HTH
Her nose should be to the grindstone at college. Not on the way to college.
wot i do.... wear textiles over my jeans n get into college before my mates arrive and stash the textiles in my locker.
Very good advice.
When I was on my 50cc bike last year, wore textile jacket, lid, gloves (would have worn boots if the the sidestand didn't stick out too far :rolleyes:) and my old motocross pants with amour under them.
After getting absolutely soaked twice, I would always have waterproofs under the seat.
Until she's experienced getting very wet and cold, I don't think you'll be able to change her mind (sorry if I'm making false assumptions)
PS: It really ****s me off when people make sweeping generalisations about 16/17 year olds. I'd honestly say that I was a safer rider last year (at 16 Vic :rolleyes:) than a lot of car drivers.
HTH
+1 absolutely :D
My daughter goes to college on her 125 and has done the "I'm not wearing ...." until she got wet!!!!!!!!
Now she puts waterproofs over jeans and stays dry much more comfort for a day at college
Teenagers dont think logically or with any sense its the "I'll make my own mistakes" :rolleyes: and they do with a "I told you so!!!!" from those of us who know better:riding:
Precisely and no need to drag them around to get gravel rash :D ;)
MiniMatt
31-08-08, 05:08 AM
Teehee, I remember being 16 :D Just :D As Lozzo has so eloquently pointed out already I'm afraid you'll find that 16 year olds do know everything and pictures of gravel rash etc really have so little effect because at 16 you just know that you're immortal and the tales of hospital visits are all told by old people (anyone over 20 is ancient btw) and everyone knows that old people know nothing. Besides, they're so old they probably crashed before brakes were invented or something.
I'm failing to see the problem here, we all know that some lessons just have to be learnt the hard way by yourself, you sound like responsible parents/guardians and have ensured that she won't be learning the "riding without protection is painful and permanently disfiguring" lesson the hard way - so the only lessons she'll be learning the hard way are "winter is cold" and "rain makes you wet". In the grand scheme of things I think these are things we can safely let a 16 year old learn by herself.
In the Draggin v Hood debate I can only really comment from the Hood side - I like the Hood jeans a lot, they're very well made and I'm confident that the abrasion protection they offer is up there with many textiles (tested in two falls now, one at 30mph, the other at, erm, well, 0mph), they're reasonably comfortable in temperatures between 10 and 35 degrees (centigrade), but naturally they're as waterproof as a sieve. The Draggin jeans definitely look better though and I get the impression they're more all day comfortable - enough people on here seem to like Draggin jeans to keep me personally happy with their protection.
wot i do.... wear textiles over my jeans n get into college before my mates arrive and stash the textiles in my locker.
this idea is appealing to her.
She is not a silly girl she has been pillion with me for about 6 years and always wears the right gear (unfortunately her gear no longer fits and her 11 year old brother wears it now) She is just nervous about starting college, she is only 15 at the moment (proper education in scotland) and is worried about being the new girl. The gear she has tried on has been bulky around knees and shoulders and looks a bit silly (i do agree). she is going to start college next week (hopefully) and will be able to make friends etc then decide whether she wants to get bus to college with pals or wants a wee bike. She has til January (when she will be 16) to decide what she wants. Then pass test next year at 17 and we can get sv restricted for her if she is still into bikes.
thanx for all the (helpful) advice. Its up to her now. :rolleyes:
this idea is appealing to her.
she is going to start college next week (hopefully) and will be able to make friends etc then decide whether she wants to get bus to college with pals or wants a wee bike. She has til January (when she will be 16) to decide what she wants. Then pass test next year at 17 and we can get sv restricted for her if she is still into bikes.
So all this is a bit premature then really?? As she wont be turning up as the new girl in her ' un cool bike clothes' at all. She would have settled in and made friends by that time and i am sure all her mates wont really care about her not looking as cool as Rossi when she turns up to College. They might take the P a bit but that will only be friendly banter.
So all this is a bit premature then really?? As she wont be turning up as the new girl in her ' un cool bike clothes' at all. She would have settled in and made friends by that time and i am sure all her mates wont really care about her not looking as cool as Rossi when she turns up to College. They might take the P a bit but that will only be friendly banter.
just trying to get organised. local bike shop were having a great sale so it was an ideal time to buy her kit. but will wait til nearer time.:D
joshmac
31-08-08, 01:43 PM
just trying to get organised. local bike shop were having a great sale so it was an ideal time to buy her kit. but will wait til nearer time.:D
Nothing wrong with that. It seems silly to miss out on a bargain for the sake of a few months, and it would surprise me if she grew very much between now and then anyway, so it's not like there's an issue of her outgrowing it before she gets her bike.
Just my 2p
timwilky
31-08-08, 01:52 PM
My 16 year old nephew has just got a 50cc rev&rip.
He wears a damm good lid, His dad bought it when he got his Mille the other week and it was too tight, fits Curt like a glove so he claimed it. He has nicked my brand new gloves. and his dads new jacket.
But trying to get him out of trackies/trainers is proving difficult. He doesn't wear jeans, so even the Draggin/Hood route would be a dead loss
Rhiwbina_Squirrel
31-08-08, 04:08 PM
Seems to be a lot of constructive advice in these pages. I'm sure the answer's in there somewhere and, if not, there's plenty of food for thought. I'm going to try and meet up with someone later who came off his 50cc and fairly low speeds without a jacket and I'll see if I can take, and post, some pictures up for you.
Alex
metalmonkey
31-08-08, 05:08 PM
Yes is the answer I have seen the result of people coming off without any gear bar a cheap ass lid....
If you don't like your skin, like A&E and injury that so could easily be not as serious then go for it.
Always wear good gear no matter what, the last person I found in a state after binning his scooter wasn't very well at all and left in amblance.
Just my thoughts however after seeing enough of crashes I wear my gear, which I always like wearing and is comfy, though none of it was cheap.
Rhiwbina_Squirrel
31-08-08, 05:31 PM
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x263/rhiwbina_squirrel/DSCF1011.jpg
These are just the cuts on his arms. The cuts on his legs are bandaged up so I couldn't get photos. Not terrible but still not very nice, quite painful and it was done on a 50cc at low speeds within a mile or so of his house.
Alex
the_lone_wolf
31-08-08, 06:10 PM
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x263/rhiwbina_squirrel/DSCF1011.jpg
i've had my share of spills (attempted a 6ft drop off onto gravel on my mountain bike when i was young for example :rolleyes: )
it might be worth noting that these types of wounds don't heal completely, mine was over 10 years ago now and i've always had a scar on my elbow from that one, i've still got the scar tissue on my other elbow where the taxi in front of me was more stationary than i initially thought - i was wearing a motorcycling leather jacket for that one, the elbow armour probably stopped my elbow from breaking but it burned the skin where i landed on it, and it did a number on the sleeve of the jacket, if it were my arm i'd have a scar all down my right side from elbow up to shoulder...
perhaps the idea of being scarred for life would be enough to convince your daughter of the merits of proper kit
Pair of jeans and a pair of waterproof overtrousers from HG, or for the trendy route have alook at Lowe alpine/sprayway type stuff. ;)
Nicky S
31-08-08, 06:46 PM
It may sound like a stupid question but here's the scenario...
Kitkats daughter is wanting to get a 50cc bike in January when she turns 16 to get to college etc etc but she's not wanting to wear full gear ie textile jacket and trousers. Quite happy to wear proper boots and gloves will wear a jacket without persuation but doesn't want to wear textile trousers as she thinks everyone at college with think she's a muppet for wearing them instead of normal jeans or draggin jeans.
What does the org think?
right she has a point ppl at collage will think that but i use to wear gloves jacket and boots never got any stick for it there lot of places out there for 50cc gear that looks gd just gotta hav a look about.
It may sound like a stupid question but here's the scenario...
Kitkats daughter is wanting to get a 50cc bike in January when she turns 16 to get to college etc etc but she's not wanting to wear full gear ie textile jacket and trousers. Quite happy to wear proper boots and gloves will wear a jacket without persuation but doesn't want to wear textile trousers as she thinks everyone at college with think she's a muppet for wearing them instead of normal jeans or draggin jeans.
What does the org think?DD
As i said at the weekend, i think you should be a sensible parent and get her straight down to JJB sports for the obligitory Trackie bottoms, Reeboks, Mackenzie hoddie amnd a basball cap.
Or threaten her with a BMW C1...no one would want to be seen at college in one of those!
Or threaten her with a BMW C1...no one would want to be seen at college in one of those!
bit harsh i think lol. Ill pass on your comments and she can discuss it with you on saturday :rolleyes:
Teehee, I remember being 16 :D Just :D As Lozzo has so eloquently pointed out already I'm afraid you'll find that 16 year olds do know everything and pictures of gravel rash etc really have so little effect because at 16 you just know that you're immortal and the tales of hospital visits are all told by old people (anyone over 20 is ancient btw) and everyone knows that old people know nothing. Besides, they're so old they probably crashed before brakes were invented or something.
I'm failing to see the problem here, we all know that some lessons just have to be learnt the hard way by yourself, you sound like responsible parents/guardians and have ensured that she won't be learning the "riding without protection is painful and permanently disfiguring" lesson the hard way - so the only lessons she'll be learning the hard way are "winter is cold" and "rain makes you wet". In the grand scheme of things I think these are things we can safely let a 16 year old learn by herself.
In the Draggin v Hood debate I can only really comment from the Hood side - I like the Hood jeans a lot, they're very well made and I'm confident that the abrasion protection they offer is up there with many textiles (tested in two falls now, one at 30mph, the other at, erm, well, 0mph), they're reasonably comfortable in temperatures between 10 and 35 degrees (centigrade), but naturally they're as waterproof as a sieve. The Draggin jeans definitely look better though and I get the impression they're more all day comfortable - enough people on here seem to like Draggin jeans to keep me personally happy with their protection.
I agree with the above. Try and make sure she's protected, cold wet and miserable can be fixed quite cheaply with 2 piece waterproofs over the top of the protective gear, and can live under the seat of the scooter. That can be her choice at a later stage, should she feel the need. For now just try to make sure she's wearing half decent stuff. I'd be thinking hood / draggin jeans, leather / textile jacket, thinnish gloves, comfy boots and a decent lid.
Jambo
Kitkat -
ask her why the big difference from being on the back of yours to her own? She'll be in control but thats still not going to stop some tw4t running into her.
she seems sensible enough (or did to me)
I don't think the shock tactics will work but trying to deal with a hormonal 16yr old where the world revolves around image and friends (and a hormaonal mother!) must be hard.
My mum was the same with me - i have to wear the gear or i don't go out - and i left home by then!
its sounds strange but try and find out whats shes scared of - and work on that tactic. She might be scared of looking out of place - but with everything comes a price and the price with biking is protection.
the dble standards she shows might be exactly what her mates show. "she's got the bike but no protection - what an idiot" behind her back - has she thought of that?
besides we hope that it will never happen but her friends won't sympathise at her when she's been off or possible even help with work if shes consitently off with illness due to the cold. She's worked hard for college does she want to throw it away by making herself susptible to illness through exposure etc etc.
yorkie_chris
01-09-08, 12:54 PM
Didn't think of that, 6 miles isn't going to do you much harm even int snow, but sitting damp all day won't do much good.
At the end of that day, 16 year old boys see a wee scottish 16 year old lass turn up on a bike, they are going to be interested in 2 things, the bike, and the Lass (in that order) not what she is wearing IMHO. If she turned up in Leathers, then, maybe, just maybe it would be the other way round, but doubtful :lol:
joshmac
01-09-08, 01:20 PM
At the end of that day, 16 year old boys see a wee scottish 16 year old lass turn up on a bike, they are going to be interested in 2 things, the bike, and the Lass (in that order) not what she is wearing IMHO. If she turned up in Leathers, then, maybe, just maybe it would be the other way round, but doubtful :lol:
:lol:
At the end of that day, 16 year old boys see a wee scottish 16 year old lass turn up on a bike, they are going to be interested in 2 things, the bike, and the Lass (in that order) not what she is wearing IMHO. If she turned up in Leathers, then, maybe, just maybe it would be the other way round, but doubtful :lol:
only noticable when she takes off her jacket;)
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